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svenkat wrote:Baja was already retired from service when case was filed against him.DK is in govt service.Is this not an important difference?
I was disputing this
So no nothing could be done even if she visits unkil in her personal capacity. Immunity persists even after the transfer from current assignment, for the acts done during currency of immunity.
After DK leaves service, she is open to law suits. Even if US agrees that DK has immunity now, one year after she leaves her post, SR can sue her, and immunity will not hold. As happened with Neena Malhotra, SR can sue DK in absentia, and if DK is a no-show, will win by default. There is a $1.5 million judgment against Neena Malhotra waiting for her to land US soil again; the same could happen to DK.

DK is definitely open to civil law suits; not so clear to me if she is still open to criminal law suits. Also not clear to me if there is a statute of limitations (so, e.g., by staying in her post long enough, the case against her expires).
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A_Guptaji,

I understand that you are disputing a particular contention about the duration of immunity.

DK is a serving diplomat.She should not have been arrested is the Indian view.'We' feel the Baja case is not terribly relevant.Baja was already retired.Philipines is a neo-colony of US.The US might have thought nothing of making a moral case of a retd Filipino diplomat who was in the wrong in US eyes.

Ofcourse,if DK choses to go back to NY on personal capacity,then this case is a precedent.

The blog linked by A.Guptaji
Tommy Chong] and his lawyers were hoping for a community service sentence as punishment for distributing thousands of bongs and marijuana pipes online through his California company, Nice Dreams Enterprises.
But Chong, famous for such movies as "Up in Smoke" with longtime partner Cheech Marin, is going to prison instead.

The case against him was part of "Operation Pipe Dreams," a national investigation of drug paraphernalia distributors that began in Pittsburgh during the prosecution of Akhil Kumar Mishra and his wife, Rajeshwari, who ran two head shops Downtown in the 1990s.
Nine months and hundreds of thousands of dollars for selling some glass pipes. Not drugs. Just pipes.

Breuer this week signed off on a settlement deal with the British banking giant HSBC that is the ultimate insult to every ordinary person who's ever had his life altered by a narcotics charge. Despite the fact that HSBC admitted to laundering billions of dollars for Colombian and Mexican drug cartels (among others) and violating a host of important banking laws (from the Bank Secrecy Act to the Trading With the Enemy Act), Breuer and his Justice Department elected not to pursue criminal prosecutions of the bank, opting instead for a "record" financial settlement of $1.9 billion, which as one analyst noted is about five weeks of income for the bank.

The banks' laundering transactions were so brazen that the NSA probably could have spotted them from space. Breuer admitted that drug dealers would sometimes come to HSBC's Mexican branches and "deposit hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash, in a single day, into a single account, using boxes designed to fit the precise dimensions of the teller windows."

This bears repeating: in order to more efficiently move as much illegal money as possible into the "legitimate" banking institution HSBC, drug dealers specifically designed boxes to fit through the bank's teller windows.


Federal and state authorities have chosen not to indict HSBC, the London-based bank, on charges of vast and prolonged money laundering, for fear that criminal prosecution would topple the bank and, in the process, endanger the financial system.
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Now Preet Bharara says he can't release documents on more than 22000 illegal immigrants under indefinite detention:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/us-i ... t-21335890
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Is the release of Gulam Nabi Fai at this time a middle finger to India in retaliation? I wonder ...
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vnmshyam wrote:Is the release of Gulam Nabi Fai at this time a middle finger to India in retaliation? I wonder ...
Fai is damaged goods, any Indian who associates with him can easily be tarred and feathered. I see it as a reward for good behavior. Heady will be a different kettle of fish.
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g cartels (among others) and violating a host of important banking laws (from the Bank Secrecy Act to the Trading With the Enemy Act), Breuer and his Justice Department elected not to pursue criminal prosecutions of the bank, opting instead for a "record" financial settlement of $1.9 billion, which as one analyst noted is about five weeks of income for the bank.
While a bank that indulge in 'international'('global'?) drug laundry is not prosecuted by 'election' within justice department, the arrest of lady Indian diplomat like a common druggard in spite of clear mention of immunity shows how 'uniform' is application of law which looks more like a great dope trick! Skewed is uniform, elections to not prosecute by justice department is acceptable, immunity by international convention is ignored, problem of drugs basically is as much part of society as related arrest SoP with strip search & that SoP has become standard, and so on and so forth. Even if someone who hasn't done drugs in whole life may have to go through so called 'uniform' application of law and strip search SoP standard.

By the way the bank violated Bank Secrecy Act to the Trading With the Enemy Act - for clarity.
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Unlike Europe, there is an underclass in the US, and when husband and wife are both working at professional jobs, having a part time maid to clean a few times every week is quite common (at least in California). Also, when the wife has small children, using a nanny part time or full time is common. Often, these workers are Mexican and undocumented. They are paid cash and less than the minimum. Also, taxes and social security deductions are not paid. A number of politicians have been caught hiring undocumented aliens, again mostly from Mexico.
If it is a part time help, they may be considered independent contractors and so technically they get 1099 if you pay more than $600. If they are full time then they would be considered your employees with all the attendant requirements of SS deductions etc.

Reg politicians I remember atleast two attorneys general whose nominations were shot down because of this very reason as they did not pay SS dues for their help even though at that time it was not illegal to employ undocumented aliens. Then when Whitman was contesting for governorship in NJ someone found out she also did the same except that the law changed and it became illegal to employ undocumented aliens. She lucked out as it transpired that the guy competing against her also did the same and so it did not become an election issue. At the end she became Governor of NJ and IRS let her off with payment of some fines.
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Anindya wrote:Meanwhile back at the ranch, as expected....

Court reprieve for 35 crew members of US floating armoury

In a major reprieve for the 35 crew members of the US-based anti-piracy ship Seaman Guard Ohio arrested on charges on entering Indian waters illegally with arms and ammunition, a court in Tamil Nadu's Tuticorin granted them conditional bail on Thursday.

The bail has come after their petitions were dismissed twice in the last 60 days since their arrest, once by a court in Tuticorin and later by the high court bench in Madurai. The crew members are lodged in central prisons at Puzhal in Chennai and Palayamkottai in Tirunelveli. The court granted bail on a fresh petition filed by the crew, accepting their argument that chargesheet was not filed in the case even after 60 days had elapsed after their arrest.

Granting them bail, the court ordered that each of the crew furnish surety for Rs 10,000 for their release. It also ordered that the crew appear at the office of the Q branch police which is investigating the case and sign everyday.

Sunanda Bhagavathy, DSP, Q branch who is the investigation officer in the case declined to comment. "I am afraid I cannot comment on the issue," she said.

But sources in the Q branch said the delay was primarily due to reluctance on the part of crew members to part with information during investigation. The crew members are yet to produce documents permitting them to possess weapons and the source of the huge cache of arms, sources said.

The arrested men first moved the sessions court in Tuticorin seeking bail. But the petition was dismissed on October 30 as the investigation was in a preliminary stage. The crew then appealed in the Madurai high court bench. But the appeal was also dismissed on December 18 as the police argued that the crew were yet to produce documents on the source of the arms and ammunition and were not revealing the intention for entering Indian waters illegally.

But when the hearing came up in judicial magistrate court in Tuticorin, the advocate appearing for the US ship crew argued that all the 35 were eligible for bail now due to the failure of the police to file chargesheet within 60 days. The judge accepted and granted them bail.

So while we were caught up in the DK drama, this more serious issue was being swept under the rugs
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I did not realize that the Fed minimum wage for waiters is only $2.13!
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svenkat wrote:A_Guptaji,

I understand that you are disputing a particular contention about the duration of immunity.

DK is a serving diplomat.She should not have been arrested is the Indian view.'We' feel the Baja case is not terribly relevant.Baja was already retired.Philipines is a neo-colony of US.The US might have thought nothing of making a moral case of a retd Filipino diplomat who was in the wrong in US eyes.

Ofcourse,if DK choses to go back to NY on personal capacity,then this case is a precedent.
Which is exactly what I've been saying.
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I guess event sequence is

1. India arrested 35 crew members of US floating armoury, US demanded to release those which India refused.
2. US arrested DK in outrage ignoring all diplomatic conventions. Our FM melted after single day of bravado, tune was down next day. May be MMS and Madam have given him a sl*p or something changed hands.
3. India withdraw special privileges to put a brave face in public (take 1) but give in at the first demand (gave 3) to defuse the escalation.

I expect following point to happen soon...
4. Now US will do something else and will quietly get special privileges back.

Now if India gave on point 3 also it will be at the end US win-win and India lose-lose-loser. :( :((
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A_Gupta wrote:US does not recognize that, I've given the case law previously, e.g.,
Boanan v Baja http://www.leagle.com/decision/20097826 ... 2d155_1770
Their interpretation of full diplomatic immunity is that it exists so that a host country cannot harass a diplomat and keep him/her from performing his diplomatic function. But full diplomatic immunity expires when the person leaves the post. What remains is "residual diplomatic immunity" and they have ruled that it applies only to official acts performed during the period of full diplomatic immunity. They've ruled specifically that hiring of domestic help is not an official act, even if, on occasion, the domestic help has aided with official parties, etc.
US case law provides a valuable reason for why Indian case law must not follow either VCCR or VCDR in the letter, but must instead choose to maximize our ability to reciprocate when the US chooses to place the primacy of domestic case law over international agreements.

I am not convinced that - despite the SD statement - diplomatic immunity only covers the discharge of official duties. That may be what their rule book says, and it functionally reduces diplomatic immunity to consular immunity, but the actual application of that local guideline is dependent on the party concerned. Someone like Russia will ensure that its diplomats get full diplomatic immunity, and nothing less. India's job is to behave as assertively so that we receive exactly the same treatment as such an assertive nation, regardless of what SD guidelines state. The only way to do so is to make it difficult for the US mission in India.
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Preet Bharara's office, and treatment of DK is getting quite a flake (deserved) from quite a few places. A federal judge has admonished him for hist statements to press etc..

Here is just one view from Washington Post's:
India diplomat suffered because of Americans’ excessive ‘security’
.....

I am a retired U.S. Foreign Service officer who was posted in New Delhi in the 1990s. The treatment of the arrested Indian deputy consul general in New York was abominable. The Indian official is correct that, “even with unfriendly countries,” such actions are outrageous.

I fear that the U.S. mania regarding security allows excesses such as the Devyani Khobragade case to be tolerated. But it should not be: The result is worse security for our New Delhi staff, as the article noted. The U.S. Marshals Service should be investigated and, if the abuses are confirmed, the officials involved should be severely disciplined.

I returned to the United States via Philadelphia International Airport in July, watching with horror as impolite, inadequately supervised government officials arbitrarily subjected hundreds of foreigners to demeaning, useless searches. (They were none too kind to us Americans, either.) It is time to put the nation’s security into perspective. We must control our officials or they will damage our standing in the world.

M. Gordon Jones, Vero Beach, Fla.
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Jarita wrote:

In a major reprieve for the 35 crew members of the US-based anti-piracy ship Seaman Guard Ohio arrested on charges on entering Indian waters illegally with arms and ammunition, a court in Tamil Nadu's Tuticorin granted them conditional bail on Thursday.

The bail has come after their petitions were dismissed twice in the last 60 days since their arrest, once by a court in Tuticorin and later by the high court bench in Madurai. The crew members are lodged in central prisons at Puzhal in Chennai and Palayamkottai in Tirunelveli. The court granted bail on a fresh petition filed by the crew, accepting their argument that chargesheet was not filed in the case even after 60 days had elapsed after their arrest.

Granting them bail, the court ordered that each of the crew furnish surety for Rs 10,000 for their release. It also ordered that the crew appear at the office of the Q branch police which is investigating the case and sign everyday.

Sunanda Bhagavathy, DSP, Q branch who is the investigation officer in the case declined to comment. "I am afraid I cannot comment on the issue," she said.

But sources in the Q branch said the delay was primarily due to reluctance on the part of crew members to part with information during investigation. The crew members are yet to produce documents permitting them to possess weapons and the source of the huge cache of arms, sources said.

The arrested men first moved the sessions court in Tuticorin seeking bail. But the petition was dismissed on October 30 as the investigation was in a preliminary stage. The crew then appealed in the Madurai high court bench. But the appeal was also dismissed on December 18 as the police argued that the crew were yet to produce documents on the source of the arms and ammunition and were not revealing the intention for entering Indian waters illegally.

But when the hearing came up in judicial magistrate court in Tuticorin, the advocate appearing for the US ship crew argued that all the 35 were eligible for bail now due to the failure of the police to file chargesheet within 60 days. The judge accepted and granted them bail.

So while we were caught up in the DK drama, this more serious issue was being swept under the rugs
Not under carpet, this could be one of the outcome that US would have targeted. Having achieved that next course for these released crew men would be to disappear and never to return. Court has not considered them flight risk. DK saga would be rolled back sighting full immunity and that USDA had no jurisdiction and what happened at the hands of USMS was regrettable and in the interest of strategic Indo US relations we should move on. We don't want relations to deteriorate as it represents a lot of investment.

Privileges quietly restored after some time and no one is wiser why Dk had to be raped ....

The only thing that emerged from this episode is the tantacles of US within the Indian System is deep, there are bleeding hearts, who can defend US action to any extent, right or wrong and how detailed and minute profiling of everything that US does in respect of India and Indians.

If IFS was not onto the game then they are mighty pissed off. This is what US might not have bargained for and surprised at the blow back by Indian Bureaucracy and surely it is going to continue since congis are going to be laundered at the hustings come GE14.
Not sure if crews and a boat is worth all that trouble. Could be a much deeper operation here.
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Suraj wrote:
A_Gupta wrote:US does not recognize that, I've given the case law previously, e.g.,
Boanan v Baja http://www.leagle.com/decision/20097826 ... 2d155_1770
Their interpretation of full diplomatic immunity is that it exists so that a host country cannot harass a diplomat and keep him/her from performing his diplomatic function. But full diplomatic immunity expires when the person leaves the post. What remains is "residual diplomatic immunity" and they have ruled that it applies only to official acts performed during the period of full diplomatic immunity. They've ruled specifically that hiring of domestic help is not an official act, even if, on occasion, the domestic help has aided with official parties, etc.
US case law provides a valuable reason for why Indian case law must not follow either VCCR or VCDR in the letter, but must instead choose to maximize our ability to reciprocate when the US chooses to place the primacy of domestic case law over international agreements.

I am not convinced that - despite the SD statement - diplomatic immunity only covers the discharge of official duties. That may be what their rule book says, and it functionally reduces diplomatic immunity to consular immunity, but the actual application of that local guideline is dependent on the party concerned. Someone like Russia will ensure that its diplomats get full diplomatic immunity, and nothing less. India's job is to behave as assertively so that we receive exactly the same treatment as such an assertive nation, regardless of what SD guidelines state. The only way to do so is to make it difficult for the US mission in India.
You are right. Only full reciprocity with a little of squeezing balls at the hands of Pandus every now and then would ensure that. Congis don't have it in them. They are way too compromised.
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RKumar wrote:I guess event sequence is

1. India arrested 35 crew members of US floating armoury, US demanded to release those which India refused.
2. US arrested DK in outrage ignoring all diplomatic conventions. Our FM melted after single day of bravado, tune was down next day. May be MMS and Madam have given him a sl*p or something changed hands.
3. India withdraw special privileges to put a brave face in public (take 1) but give in at the first demand (gave 3) to defuse the escalation.

I expect following point to happen soon...
4. Now US will do something else and will quietly get special privileges back.

Now if India gave on point 3 also it will be at the end US win-win and India lose-lose-loser. :( :((
4th pt is easy pizy. They can do a low intensity dhamaka in some park in chanykypuri and half of the Delhi police will be there to protect Americans.

Added: some Mr Gupta ji is really trying to put camel on the train........whats up Sir? Are we doing some paid job here?
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http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/indi ... -1.1558199
India, take a look in the mirror
The crimes of which Devyani Khobragade stands accused are serious indeed
The arrest in New York of India’s deputy consul general, Devyani Khobragade, on federal charges has outraged Indian officials. They assert that the search of Khobragade, who was charged with lying about her nanny’s wages and hours in order to get a visa to bring her into the United States, was “barbaric” and “despicable.”



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/indi ... z2oh8hibcL
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Juliet Sorenson is nothing more than a racist at her heart. Someone from an academic background taking time to write this tabloid piece of state department propaganda is nothing short of racisim. First you never did the research necessary other than to take the State Departments inconsistent replies as the damning truth.

There are two clear cases that make's her piece rather pointless and clearly shows her lack of awareness and research. (1) US Prosecutors office goofed up on the salary amount shown on the DS-160 form - published starting 24th Dec. (2) The Diplomat had full immunity at the time of arrest - published 27th Dec. (3) What gives the US Dept. the right to evacuate Indian citizens from their own country?

Choosing to ignore the first point shows how wantonly she wanted to incite the Indians on the rather delicate situation at the same time her lack of judgement call & eagerness in writing a piece on something which was still a hot topic without clear facts on the direction or progress of the issue,

In short I'd like to appeal to Northwestern University & its students to boycott this racist faculty. She does not deserve to offer academic guidance with such a twisted racist mentality. Send your thoughts & displeasure to her direct Juliet Sorenson ([email protected]­hwestern.edu)


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/indi ... z2oh8GyoVR
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Meanwhile even Nancy Powell (US Ambassador in India) feels the pinch who has called off her travel to Nepal after her special privileges were withdrawn....
India's tough measures against US diplomats following the arrest of a senior Indian diplomat in New York has impacted US Ambassador Nancy Powell who called off her travel to Nepal after her special privileges were withdrawn.

Powell, who had informed the government here about her travel plans to Nepal, cancelled her visit after airport pass which gave her special access to various procedural checks at the airport stood withdrawn as India downgraded privileges and benefits to US diplomats in sharp retaliation to the arrest of its Deputy Consul General Devyani Khobragade.

Only the Ambassador's airport pass came with a photo ID which was exclusively for her while all other passes known as "floating" airport cards were used by the US diplomats as "if and when required" basis, government sources said.

They said the US Ambassador had informed the External Affairs Ministry about her travel plans and when she checked about her privilege of special access, she was informed that it stood withdrawn since December 19, the deadline for surrendering the special passes by the US.

With special access withdrawn, there was every possibility that the US Ambassador would have been frisked and put through other security measures like normal passengers.

Asserting that India withdrew this facility totally on "reciprocal" basis, the sources said when Indian Ambassador to the US travels in and out of that country, they don't get any special privilege and cited the example of Meera Shankar, former ambassador who was pulled from an airport security line and frisked by a security agent in Mississippi in 2010.

Meanwhile, the US embassy seems to be dragging its feet on submitting details sought by India including salaries paid to all Indian staff employed at the US consulates, including by Consulate officers and families, such as domestic helps.

They have also not filed the details of salaries paid to Indian staff and others in their schools in Delhi and Chennai though the last date for submitting the same was December 23, the sources said, adding the US embassy has made a request that since many of its staff are on holiday in view of Christmas and New Year, they be given more time to submit these details.

The government had sought details from the US embassy after the 1999-batch IFS officer, Khobragade, was arrested on December 12 on charges of making false declarations in a visa application for her maid Sangeeta Richard.

The diplomat was released on a USD 250,000 bond after being charged with visa fraud.

Subsequent revelations that she was strip searched and held with criminals triggered a row between the two sides with India taking various firm "reciprocal" steps.
From: http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-wi ... it-1941459
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There is no low security for embassy people, they are just pampered with VVIP treatment. I would say, India should withdraw these special privileges from all these so called first world countries and treat them as normal citizens. If they feel threaten or something like that than they keep minimum required staff without their families. At the end they there for job not for entrainment.

It is non of India's business if Nancy Powell decided to cancel her visit. It is publicity stunt, nothing more or less. I would request forum members not to divert from original issue at the hand i.e. DK. It is one of the diversion tactic to gather support from Indian junta which is always ready to forget and forgive.
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Experience of one American, Amy Alkon, who underwent cavity search

I can hold back the tears...hang tough...but as I was made to "assume the position" on a rubber mat like a common criminal, I thought fast. I decided that these TSA lackeys who serve the government in violating our rights just don't deserve my quiet compliance. And no, I won't go through the scanner (do you trust the government that they're safe?) and allow a government employee to see me naked in the course of normal and totally ordinary business travel: flying from Los Angeles to Binghamton, New York, to attend an evolutionary psychology conference for my work.

Basically, I felt it important to make a spectacle of what they are doing to us, to make it uncomfortable for them to violate us and our rights, so I let the tears come. In fact, I sobbed my guts out. Loudly. Very loudly. The entire time the woman was searching me.

Nearing the end of this violation, I sobbed even louder as the woman, FOUR TIMES, stuck the side of her gloved hand INTO my vagina, through my pants. Between my labia. She really got up there. Four times. Back right and left, and front right and left. In my vagina. Between my labia. I was shocked -- utterly unprepared for how she got the side of her hand up there. It was government-sanctioned sexual assault.

Upon leaving, still sobbing, I yelled to the woman, "YOU RAPED ME."And I took her name to see if I could file sexual assault charges on my return. This woman, and all of those who support this system deserve no less than this sort of unpleasant experience, and from all of us.
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201109 ... rape.shtml
After investigating whether or not she could file sexual assault charges, and being told that this was probably a non-starter, she instead wrote about the experience, and named the TSA agent who she dealt with: Thedala Magee. Alkon felt that if people can't stop these kinds of searches, they should at least be able to name the TSA agents who are doing them.

Magee responded by lawyering up and threatening Alkon with defamation and asking for $500,000 and the removal of the blog post.

Alkon, with the help of lawyer Marc Randazza, has now responded, refusing to back down. Both letters are embedded below, but here are a few key quotes:

Your client aggressively pushed her fingers into my client’s vulva. I am certain that she did not expect to find a bomb there. She did this to humiliate my client, to punish her for exercising her rights, and to send a message to others who might do the same. It was absolutely a sexual assault, perpetrated in order to exercise power over the victim. We agree with Ms. Alkon’s characterization of this crime as “rape,” and so would any reasonable juror.
Poll: Nearly One Third Of Americans Would Accept ‘TSA Body Cavity Search’ in Order to Fly
A total 30% of American adults said they would be “willing” or “somewhat willing” to accept a body cavity search. 57% would be “completely” or “somewhat unwilling” to submit to it and 13% answered “don’t know”.

Although the exact definition was not explained in the question, given that the term “body cavity search” refers to the most intrusive search imaginable, one normally performed on dangerous felons before they go to prison, the fact that almost one third of American adults would submit to such an invasion of their privacy simply to get on a plane is astounding.

The results of this poll again underscore how ignorant many Americans remain of their rights at airports and other transport hubs where TSA agents are present. The results also clearly indicate that a substantial portion of Americans, around one in three, are willing to tolerate virtually any indignity if it is performed in the name of safety and security.
One can just imagine the indignities that Dk would have undergone given the cultural sensibilities.
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Amber G. wrote:Meanwhile even Nancy Powell (US Ambassador in India) feels the pinch who has called off her travel to Nepal after her special privileges were withdrawn....
....
Only the Ambassador's airport pass came with a photo ID which was exclusively for her while all other passes known as "floating" airport cards were used by the US diplomat (minor correction for the diplomats staff) as "if and when required" basis, government sources said..
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From: http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-wi ... it-1941459
Sir ji, we are still Dharmic unlike others. US Ambassador to India had her diplomatic privileges but not her staff or whole group. Her staff or group is not entitled to special privileges. Of course the air port authorities will do their duty for the security of normal people as well as for the diplomats. These diplomats staff should set an example by willing extending their support to a good cause :mrgreen:

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Singha wrote:Why exactly cannot the us ambassador feel safe and ok inside the normal security and immigration lines at igi?

Its not safety/vafety. Its a sense of viceregal entitlement the US officials get used to in India. Many diplomat's memoirs tell about that.
More importantly it will be useful to ask a question in Lok Sabha as to why, when and who in Indian government was responsible for extending undue privileges to US while Indian diplomats in US were being subjected to gross humiliations.

I bet there is a tale of private pro quid quo to be told there.

Also we can discount Nirupama Rao who slept on th job when Prabhu Dayal case came up and as Indian ambassador to US totally misread the changes in US law and the human trafficking crusade that was underway.

Meantime she has greased the skids so to speak to hang on to Indian Americans funded cushy job in Brown Uty!!! And she tweets about 'relationship and ties'!!!

If US law system admonishes Preet Bharara for over reach its their problem. I still think he is patsy. No need for schadenfruede here.
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Also the ship's crew got bail as Indian police as usual failed to file the charge sheet within the stipulated time. The judge has no reason the not grant bail. I find fault with the police and the prosecutors for not filing charge sheets. Its no excuse to say the time in custody will be adjusted during sentencing.
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Meanwhile continuing the ongoing coverage of the husband. Some stirring stuff.

http://www.indianwineacademy.com/dm_2_item_2.asp
In this crowd of pretenders, freeloaders and some serious amateurs, Aakash Singh Rathore stands apart. He's different because he has taken the pains to study vine cultivation and wine making, even as he was reading philosophy and the law at the Michigan State University . He assisted his philosophy professor, who taught the world's only course on the philosophy of wine, to update his acclaimed guide to the Rhone Valley , the famous French wine region.

Thereafter, he travelled across Europe , teaching during the day, writing his doctoral dissertation in Belgium , finding a soulmate while studying German at the Goethe Institute in Berlin, quaffing a different wine every evening for ten years, and travelling to wineries in the summer.

Wine, says Rathore, became a part of his growing-up experience after his father, who was a professor of psychoanalysis at Columbia University, bought a winery in Michigan that was disastrously named Strawberry Fields (their wine label had strawberries on it, which was undoubtedly an unwise marketing ploy).

“You can't expect a professor who was then writing the Psychoanalytic Interpretation of the Bhagavad Gita to make wise investment decisions,” says Rathore of the winery that set him on the road to understanding wine.
“Cultural prejudice, and not a geographical problem, has prevented domestic wines from taking off in India . Each time I go to an Indian restaurant and ask for an Indian wine, the waiters look embarrassed, yet they're happy to serve foreign plonk. Our elite must start believing that India, despite being in the torrid zone, can produce great wines,” says the author of The Complete Indian Wine Guide (Roli Books, Rs 295), who sees India emerging as the No. 2 zinfandel destination after California . Rathore's mission was expensive, because he had no writing advance, and at times it was heart-wrenching (like when a young French wine-maker, who was terribly lonely in exile in Narayangaon, begged Rathore in French to find him a girlfriend).
It fuelled their pride in their resurgent wine industry, though not in a hyper-nationalistic and uncritical way, and helped it take on competition from the highly subsidised French and German wines. “Protectionism cannot help an infant industry,” declares Rathore. “Nationalism can. A developing country has a responsibility to itself.”

Guided with this belief, he has been able to discover gems for us – two of them, from Nashik's Sailo Wines, are hilariously named Et Tu Brutus and Mark Antony. Rathore insists that the 30,000 bottles of these two unknown and unheralded wines are sold within two months in Maharashtra , Dubai and Tokyo .

Nationalism may have propelled Rathore, but he did not lose his critical eye. During his peregrinations, he stumbled upon many stories that never get written about the Indian wine industry. Just as the wine-maker associated with a big label was informing him how he was using pinot noir (which was an impossible thing to do in our weather) for his sparkling wine, a shipment of grape concentrate landed from Australia .

When the US-born professor of philosophy and law arrived in India with his eclectic collection of wines – for bread, he's preparing an ambitious inter-disciplinary course on the philosophy of law at Delhi University – and his wife, an Indian diplomat posted at the Pakistan Desk of the Ministry of External Affairs, he already had the evolved palate, cultivated eye and critical nose to be qualified to write India's first wine guide.
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^^Police explained the failure to file charges on non cooperation by the crew and their refusal to furnish details of source of arms found in the boat. This was perhaps not informed by the prosecutors/police to the court. Utter incompetence in a sensitive case. Don't know how magistrate determined that they are not flight risk and why bond amount is so low.
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Regarding US amby, how she is going to travel to other cities in India without being searched by CISF at airport unless she travels all by car, and too risky, even a truck can finish her career. How she is going to go out of India without digital body cavity search unless her privileges are restored on reciprocal basis and cast in iron-clad agreement between India and us.
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Basically babus and political masters want to please uncle and get cribs. Now media, babu youngsters, fear of Modi driving the response. The chances of any let up in this election year appears remote.
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Theo_Fidel wrote:Meanwhile continuing the ongoing coverage of the husband. Some stirring stuff.

http://www.indianwineacademy.com/dm_2_item_2.asp
In this crowd of pretenders, freeloaders and some serious amateurs, Aakash Singh Rathore stands apart. He's different because he has taken the pains to study vine cultivation and wine making, even as he was reading philosophy and the law at the Michigan State University . He assisted his philosophy professor, who taught the world's only course on the philosophy of wine, to update his acclaimed guide to the Rhone Valley , the famous French wine region.

Thereafter, he travelled across Europe , teaching during the day, writing his doctoral dissertation in Belgium , finding a soulmate while studying German at the Goethe Institute in Berlin, quaffing a different wine every evening for ten years, and travelling to wineries in the summer.

Wine, says Rathore, became a part of his growing-up experience after his father, who was a professor of psychoanalysis at Columbia University, bought a winery in Michigan that was disastrously named Strawberry Fields (their wine label had strawberries on it, which was undoubtedly an unwise marketing ploy).

“You can't expect a professor who was then writing the Psychoanalytic Interpretation of the Bhagavad Gita to make wise investment decisions,” says Rathore of the winery that set him on the road to understanding wine.
“Cultural prejudice, and not a geographical problem, has prevented domestic wines from taking off in India . Each time I go to an Indian restaurant and ask for an Indian wine, the waiters look embarrassed, yet they're happy to serve foreign plonk. Our elite must start believing that India, despite being in the torrid zone, can produce great wines,” says the author of The Complete Indian Wine Guide (Roli Books, Rs 295), who sees India emerging as the No. 2 zinfandel destination after California . Rathore's mission was expensive, because he had no writing advance, and at times it was heart-wrenching (like when a young French wine-maker, who was terribly lonely in exile in Narayangaon, begged Rathore in French to find him a girlfriend).
It fuelled their pride in their resurgent wine industry, though not in a hyper-nationalistic and uncritical way, and helped it take on competition from the highly subsidised French and German wines. “Protectionism cannot help an infant industry,” declares Rathore. “Nationalism can. A developing country has a responsibility to itself.”

Guided with this belief, he has been able to discover gems for us – two of them, from Nashik's Sailo Wines, are hilariously named Et Tu Brutus and Mark Antony. Rathore insists that the 30,000 bottles of these two unknown and unheralded wines are sold within two months in Maharashtra , Dubai and Tokyo .

Nationalism may have propelled Rathore, but he did not lose his critical eye. During his peregrinations, he stumbled upon many stories that never get written about the Indian wine industry. Just as the wine-maker associated with a big label was informing him how he was using pinot noir (which was an impossible thing to do in our weather) for his sparkling wine, a shipment of grape concentrate landed from Australia .

When the US-born professor of philosophy and law arrived in India with his eclectic collection of wines – for bread, he's preparing an ambitious inter-disciplinary course on the philosophy of law at Delhi University – and his wife, an Indian diplomat posted at the Pakistan Desk of the Ministry of External Affairs, he already had the evolved palate, cultivated eye and critical nose to be qualified to write India's first wine guide.


While irrelevant to the matter at hand , He comes out looking good only.
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ramana wrote:Also the ship's crew got bail as Indian police as usual failed to file the charge sheet within the stipulated time. The judge has no reason the not grant bail. I find fault with the police and the prosecutors for not filing charge sheets. Its no excuse to say the time in custody will be adjusted during sentencing.
They followed orders from their bosses. Our police is not that incompetent rather it's forced onto them by the political class.
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What's up with the Richard family ??? Why isn't India taking up that issue ???
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Isn't Richard's father with the US embassy in New Delhi? He must have been the prime mover in Richard's 'evacuation' from India. May be the Indian IT dept can take a look at his tax returns.
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Sure he does, Doctor of Philosophy with a special in human rights who could not recognize wage abuse in his own USA home who is now a wine expert. Sure.
he already had the evolved palate, cultivated eye and critical nose to be qualified....
:lol:
Sounds like an pompous A$$hat. One that plagues desi parties through out the USA.

What happened to the man of the house taking responsibility huh! All he has to do is say that he filled in the form and the entire matter would be over, his wife would be off the hook and the USA would deal with him instead. I and suspect much of BRF would do it in a heartbeat.

Where was his big philosophy and cultivated nose when his wife told him what was going on with SR.

Step up to the plate my man! Show your te$ticular fortitude.
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^^^ Watched bollywood movies today ????
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Theo_Fidel wrote: who could not recognize wage abuse in his own USA home .
Well , this proved to be red herring only saar.

By now you might know. Why blow it on poor oenologist?

Not your style Theo garu.
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Why red herring? We know what SR was paid.
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Yes and that is above minimum wages with all other facilities incl food medical transport beauty parlours and stay. No case on wage or Visa fraud. So what is it??
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Beauty parlor?

Only thing that matters is what you are paid boss. Which was under $500 per month for 7 days a week work.

What if your boss starts deducting your coffee, cubicle rental, parking spot, A/C cost, toilet access, donuts on Monday & pizza on Saturday, Christmas dinner, etc.

How long would you stand for it.
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Theo_Fidel wrote:Beauty parlor?

Only thing that matters is what you are paid boss. Which was under $500 per month for 7 days a week work.
Not when your boss takes care of rent, utilities, food expenses, medical expenses and travel to India. People earning minimum wage usually have to deal with all that on their own and consequently, have a much harder life. The $500 she was paid, was basically $500 of disposable income.
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US releases ISI agent & Kashmir Jihad activist Ghulam Nabi Fai from prison, abrogates his sentence.

http://m.rediff.com/news/report/us-cour ... ign=Buffer

Need more signs of a 180 degree turnaround in the "strategic partnership"? :mrgreen:
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CJM stays flawed bail to U.S. ship crew
Tuticorin Chief Judicial Magistrate K. Venkatasamy on Friday granted interim stay of the conditional bail granted on Thursday to 35 men, including the crew of the detained U.S. ship, ‘Seaman Guard Ohio’.

The court passed the order while hearing a criminal revision petition filed by the ‘Q’ Branch police against the conditional bail granted by the Tuticorin Judicial Magistrate I, C. Kathiravan.

The CJM stayed the order saying that the conditional bail, with surety of Rs.10, 000 each, in a serious incident posing a challenge to national security, ran counter to the order passed in the case by the High Court a few days ago and a few other similar cases by the Supreme Court.

Justice M. Sathyanarayanan of the Madras High Court dismissed the bail petition on the grounds that the crew had not produced valid documents to possess arms and ammunition and that the investigation was at a crucial stage.

The CJM observed that it was shocking that bail had been granted in a case of national importance that concerned the security of the people of south Tamil Nadu. It was possible that the accused, being foreigners, might escape from the clutches of law anytime after paying Rs.10,000 each. In that scenario, the court could only issue a warrant for their arrest. Foreigners imprisoned here could be released on bail only after obtaining an assurance from the respective embassy that they would be available during the course of investigation. The court did not find out from the police whether the investigation was over or a charge sheet was ready before granting the bail, he said. In such case, they could not be arrested and produced before the court, unless an undertaking to that aspect was obtained from the embassy. On taking up the bail application urgently, the conditional bail was granted without knowing whether the investigation was over.

The accused were held on charges of trespassing into Indian waters sans permission and possessing weapons illegally after the Indian Coast Guard apprehended the U.S. vessel on October 12.
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