Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 26 Dec 2013 04:05

US drone strike kills three in North Waziristan

MIRANSHAH : A US drone strike targeting a militant compound killed at least three suspected insurgents in a restive Pakistani tribal region near the Afghan border late Wednesday, officials said.

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Philip · Post by **Philip** » 26 Dec 2013 04:49

What did I say years ago about US "contractors" like Blackwater,that they are in reality "contract killers"!

Pakistan orders crackdown on US security agents: Report
IANS | Islamabad
December 23, 2013

http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 751_1.html

The Pakistani government has directed its intelligence agencies to identify and arrest the members of American security firm Blackwater operating in Pakistan.

The government has issued a deadline of one week following reports about the ongoing presence of Blackwater agents in the country, according to a Press TV report.

The report, citing Pakistan's spy agency Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), said Blackwater agents are still operating inside the country. The American security firm was reportedly behind the killing of senior Haqqani network leader Naseeruddin Haqqani Nov 10.

Naseeruddin Haqqani, the son of Haqqani network leader Jalaluddin Haqqani, was killed in a firing incident in Islamabad. Naseeruddin Haqqani was responsible for fund-raising, logistics and political affairs of the Haqqani network.

In 2009, the former Pakistani government denied that the US security firm was active in the country.

According to the report, the security firm has carried out targeted assassinations across Pakistan.

The American security contractor was formed to provide training support to military and law enforcement organisations. It is specialised in carrying out covert operations in hostile territories.

sum · Post by **sum** » 26 Dec 2013 08:44

Kashmiri Birather getting a taste of Pakistaniyat:

J&K scholar faces humiliation at Pak university

While the successful completion of Ph D by a Pakistani female scholar at Kashmir University here has brought her laurels back home and is making headlines here in the last two weeks, a Kashmiri student who had gone to pursue higher education to Pakistan under SAARC exchange program has faced ‘torture, threats and humiliation’ at the hands of his guide there.

Ishrat Naveed, a scholar from Soibugh in central Kashmir’s Budgam district had left the Valley a few years back to pursue his cherished dream of completing Ph D in Bio-Technology.

He chose prestigious Qaud-i-Azam University in Islamabad and he managed to get admission under the SAARC exchange agreement.

However, little did he know that his experience to pursue higher studies in Pakistan would be tormenting. “The way my supervisor/guide, Dr Tariq Mehmood, (Assistant Professor, Department of Plant Sciences, Qaud-i-Azam University) behaved during my research is disappointing and difficult to narrate,” Naveed told Deccan Herald in an emailed statement from Islamabad.

“He (Dr Mehmood) emotionally black mailed, tortured and harassed me. He took all the research samples in his custody in my absence. He used to accuse me that I am an Indian spy who is on espionage mission to Pakistan,” the young scholar claimed.

“My research samples which included experimental design and optimized protocols were distributed among favourite students of Dr Mehmood. The stolen samples including transgenic plants, expression vectors and clones are worth millions,” Naveed claimed.

He had never visited Kashmir since he left for Pakistan in early 2010. “My commitment with Dr Mehmood was that after completion of my degree I will move back to India. The practical research I carried out in Plant Biochemistry and Molecular Biology laboratory received funding of 9.5 million Pakistani rupees. But My supervisor evaluated me on regional basis not on merit,” a dejected Naveed said.

Asked in an email query why he was being maltreated by his supervisor, he said, “The reason behind this worst humiliation was to grab money (9.5 million) and research articles. I fought for my rights in Islamabad and lodged a complaint against my supervisor with the University authorities and Higher Education Commission for justice.

However, they have not taken any action till date,” he said.

And this comment adds icing to the cake:

As a Professor in an American University that receives numerous students from Pakistan under the USAID program, I am familiar with the attitude of Pakistanis to Indians (I am an expatriate Indian living in the US for 40 years). Myself and many of my 'Indian' colleagues here are asked to evaluate Ph.D. thesis materials from Pakistani Universities frequently. We do it as a professional courtesy and do not expect to be paid. The University in Pakistan usually sends an honorarium of $400 for the evaluation. However, none of the checks that we have received has cleared a US Bank due to lack of funds at the other end! There appears to be a collusion between the bureaucrats and the faculty member in the Pakistani University to skim off the honorarium. The case being described by the Indian student is much more serious and needs to be investigated by Indian authorities before sending any more of our students to that country.

partha · Post by **partha** » 26 Dec 2013 09:08

http://tribune.com.pk/story/650549/revi ... s-history/

Another participant said that the people around the world thought Mughals were from India and not from Pakistan. “Why is it so?” he asked. Zaman responded that it was because the Indians promoted their tourist sites.

Maybe it is not because Indians promoted their tourist sites. Maybe it is because Mughal empire was based in India and there was no Pakistan before 1947. But Zaman here is an idiot who cannot understand standard logic so we can let her have her Lahori logic.

This is another case of a Pakistani based in a western university coming across as an idiot. Jo Lahore mein gandu woh Amreeka mein bhi gandu.

Pakistan sees itself as a successor state of the Mughal Empire, but at the same time, the Mughals remain edited out of Pakistan Studies textbooks or re-interpreted to suit the needs of the present.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 26 Dec 2013 09:13

^^^

THis is a long term social engineering being done. One is the text book. Other is the media image of Mughals and link to Pakistan.
Also look for any connection to Indian text book on similar lines and close text copy
. It may appear in future with secularists in the payroll of the same masters

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 26 Dec 2013 09:25

Pakistan, 1971

Khaled Ahmed : Thu Dec 26 2013,

Military voices now challenge the established narrative of the Bangladesh war.
Every year, December 16 is observed in Pakistan as a moment of morose stocktaking, in which India is held responsible for the break-up of Pakistan in 1971. However, over the years, the Pakistani media has taken to mixing the message. It now balances the short-term culpability of India with the long-term culpability of Pakistan.

This year, the familiar pattern was disturbed by the hanging of a Jamaat-e-Islami (Bangladesh) leader, Abdul Quader Mollah, for "war crimes" including the rape and slaughter of women, while he opposed the "war of liberation" for the new state of Bangladesh.

As the NGOs protest at the way Mollah was punished, the world has accepted the hanging. The Islamabad foreign office pointed to the violation of human rights in the "war crimes" tribunal, but called it an internal matter for Bangladesh. The Pakistani parliament, though, decided to condemn the hanging through a non-unanimous but bitterly-worded resolution that has not been taken kindly by Dhaka.

The Jamaat-e-Islami Pakistan — having recently won back Taliban and al-Qaeda protection — flexed its street muscle by protesting against the hanging of a man it feels affiliated to. It rightly expected the parliament to bend in deference to this new "empowerment". But the media in Pakistan has mixed the message more than usual this time. The "secret" Hamoodur Rehman Commission report on the atrocities committed by the Pakistan army in East Pakistan in 1971 has been taken out of the state's closet of collective conscience and quoted to great effect.

Unread books by honest military officers are now being quoted to the embarrassment of the Jamaat, which had thought the battle for its new leg-up had been won after the Mollah hanging. What Pakistan is still forgetting is the fundamental critique of its conduct towards East Pakistan contained in a book by senior bureaucrat, Hasan Zaheer — The Separation of East Pakistan (1994). In this, linguistic nationalism was more properly understood as the element which alienated the Bengali Muslim from the West Pakistani Muslim.

The idea of imposing Urdu on East Pakistan was born in the mind of a non-Bengali education secretary of East Pakistan, F.A. Karim, who was able to convince a dimwit Bengali central education minister in Karachi, Fazlur Rehman, to adopt it. It also caught the imagination of the governor of East Pakistan, Malik Feroz Khan Noon, not the brightest son of Punjab. He started the scheme of writing Bengali in the Arabic script. By 1952, there were 21 centres doing this in East Pakistan, funded by the central education ministry. The East Pakistan chief minister didn't even know that this was happening outside the primary school stream.

Zaheer writes: "Such was the insensitivity of the ruling party to popular issues that the East Pakistan Muslim League Council also recommended Arabic as the state language. This was not acceptable even to the West Pakistan intelligentsia." What happened to the Muslim League in East Pakistan in the years that followed is history.

Major General Hakeem Arshad Qureshi, who wrote The 1971 Indo-Pak War: A Soldier's Narrative (2002), was commander of the SSG Commandos and an infantry battalion in East Pakistan in 1970-71. He was a PoW in India after the war and went on to command the Pakistan Rangers as director-general, before retiring in 1990. His thesis was: "Despite the deliberate strategic conclusion that the defence of East Pakistan lay in West Pakistan, no effort was made to augment the defence of East Pakistan to gain time before the counter-offensive against the enemy could begin from West Pakistan. It was not taken into account that the Bengali component of the army in East Pakistan was not loyal, given long years of dissent in the Eastern Wing and protest against inequality of treatment."

Qureshi held that although Sheikh Mujibur Rahman was not to be trusted, his demand that he be allowed to rule Pakistan was negotiable. His six-point programme was actually the "last possible solution to preserve the unity of Pakistan", as a Dhaka newspaper put it.

More significantly, the book called into question the "victories" against India in 1948 and 1965. The first war failed to achieve its objective because "we caved in without consolidating initial success". The second war was first opposed by General Musa and General Ayub, but after they agreed to it, no authentic information was obtained about the "sympathetic" Kashmiri insurgency, and wrong assumptions were made about India's capabilities of launching a major offensive across the international border.

The author points to the "manufacturing defect" of the Pakistani state: "We enter a contest mostly on the rebound, with overly ambitious aims and without due thought and preparation and have usually given up the effort at the half-way mark for want of resources.We have also failed to understand the international interests and reactions in the event of an armed conflict on the subcontinent or to appreciate correctly the enemy's reaction to a major ingress. The blunder of 1965 was repeated in 1971."

The late Major General Khadim Hussain Raja's book, A Stranger in My Own Country: East Pakistan, 1969-1971 (2012), exposes the less dignified side of the military leadership in East Pakistan, under a heavy-drinking, constantly priapic head of the state, General Yahya Khan.

Here is the climax of the book: "[Enter] Commander, East Pakistan, General Niazi, wearing a pistol holster on his web belt. Niazi became abusive and started raving. Breaking into Urdu, he said: 'Main iss haramzadi qaum ki nasal badal doon ga (I will change the race of this ******** nation).'"

Raja adds: "He threatened that he would let his soldiers loose on their womenfolk. There was pin-drop silence at these remarks. The next morning, we were given the sad news. A Bengali officer, Major Mushtaq, went into a bathroom at the command headquarters and shot himself in the head."

Interested in "genetic engineering", Niazi also asked Raja for the phone numbers of his Bengali girlfriends: "Abhi tau mujhey Bengali girl friends kay phone number day do."

Irony of ironies, Niazi surrendered to a Jewish-born Indian general, J.F.R. Jacob, in 1971. "Tiger" Niazi handed over his personal pistol at the famous Race Course ceremony. Jacob examined the weapon: the lanyard was greasy and frayed, and the pistol was full of muck as if it hadn't been cleaned in a long while. (From Surrender at Dacca: Birth of a Nation, by Lt General J.F.R. Jacob, 1997.)

This year, there was another reference to the maltreatment of Biharis in Bangladesh as a palliative to the indictment of the Pakistani state, as if it were a sincere champion of this most tragic stateless people.

The ex-foreign minister of Bangladesh, Kamal Hossain, in Bangladesh: Quest for freedom and Justice (2013), reports a conversation with Pakistan's former foreign minister, Aziz Ahmed: "When pressed to suggest what should be done to those (Biharis) who were clearly eligible and entitled to go to Pakistan, but whom Pakistan was not willing to accept, Aziz Ahmed turned round and said, 'Why don't you push them into India?' When told that this was hardly feasible, he retorted, 'Then push them into the Bay of Bengal'."

The writer is a consulting editor with 'Newsweek Pakistan'

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 26 Dec 2013 12:12

Of course the Mughals were Indian! All their finest monuments are still within India and their lavish lifestyles celebrated life as Indians have done for millenia.Pak never existed at that time and ever since its existence its contribution to "civilisation",ahem,has been in the fashion industry beards for men (poor Gillette!) and black the only colour of voluminous toe length shapeless gowns for women to wear,and the innovative usage of bombs,bullets ,bazookas,and "beating the retreat" in warfare! Culture wise and music wise,"the sound of silence" has been its preference to musical notes and as far as architecture goes,it has preferred "destruction instead of construction",fondly believing that ruined cities bring in more tourists!

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 26 Dec 2013 12:46

chetak wrote:Pakistan, 1971
Khaled Ahmed : Thu Dec 26 2013,

. . . Here is the climax of the book: "[Enter] Commander, East Pakistan, General Niazi, wearing a pistol holster on his web belt. Niazi became abusive and started raving. Breaking into Urdu, he said: 'Main iss haramzadi qaum ki nasal badal doon ga (I will change the race of this ******** nation).'"

Raja adds: "He threatened that he would let his soldiers loose on their womenfolk. {And that is what he did}

Nothing exemplifies the brutality of the Army more than what its top most commander in East Pakistan, Gen. A.A.K. Niazi, said of the rapes there insensitively: “You cannot expect a man to live, fight, and die in East Pakistan and go to Jhelum for sex, can you?”.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 26 Dec 2013 19:33

Their blind hatred towards his Dharmic Land and to zeal to achieve Ghazwa-Hind had made Pakistan a great super power with even great human resources.

Copied from Twitter. A young (the Future of Pakistan) suicide bomber captured.

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 27 Dec 2013 01:09

From Tribune (posting in full):
Foreign currency: With heavy debt repayment, reserves fall to $3.1b

By Our CorrespondentPublished: December 27, 2013
Pakistan’s foreign exchange reserves have been under pressure because of continuously dwindling reserves held by the SBP.

KARACHI: Foreign exchange reserves held by the State Bank of Pakistan (SBP) decreased to $3.1 billion on December 20 as opposed to $3.4 billion a week earlier, showed data released by the SBP on Thursday.

The decline of 7.9% in the foreign exchange reserves came as a result of payments amounting to $185 million, according to a spokesman for the central bank.

Out of the payments of $185 million, external debt servicing was $162 million including $58 million repayment to the International Monetary Fund (IMF), and other official payments amounting to $23 million.

There was no major inflow from multilateral and bilateral sources during the week, which caused the drop of $275 million in the period under review.

However, the second tranche of the Extended Fund Facility of $554 million, which was cleared after the successful completion of the first review by the IMF, was received on December 23, and hence will be reported in the next week’s reserve position.

Total liquid foreign reserves in Pakistan amounted to $8 billion on December 20, which was 5.1% less than the preceding week’s figure. Similarly, net foreign reserves held by banks other than the SBP stood at $4.8 billion, which was 3.1% less than the corresponding figure on December 13.

Pakistan’s foreign exchange reserves have been under pressure because of continuously dwindling reserves held by the SBP. They amounted to a little over $6 billion at the end of June, which reflects a decline of almost 47% in roughly six months.

The rupee has appreciated against the dollar in only two of the last 30 years (2002 and 2003) while average annual depreciation of the rupee over the same period has stood at 6.5%. However, the rupee has undergone a sharp 6% depreciation since July this year when it traded around Rs99.

Most analysts believe the recently received IMF tranche of $554 million will stabilise the foreign reserves position, but only in the short term.

Most brokerage houses expect the rupee-dollar parity to hover in the range of Rs108-112 mainly because of few major inflows in the second half of fiscal year 2013-14, despite recent statements by the finance minister claiming a reversal of trends which will see the rupee appreciate in value.

Published in The Express Tribune, December 27th, 2013.

joygoswami · Post by **joygoswami** » 27 Dec 2013 01:15

Another gem from TSPA.

Video shows Taliban playing football with the heads of dead Pakistani Soldiers. Click.

GRAPHIC WARNING*******

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 27 Dec 2013 01:23

From Tribune (posting in full): Another Shahzeda who wants to claim his place.
Bilawal Bhutto to contest by-election from NA-204

By Web DeskPublished: December 26, 2013

KARACHI: The wait seems to be over. Pakistan Peoples Party’s (PPP) patron-in-chief Bilawal Bhutto Zardari will contest the by-election from NA-204 Larkana, sources told Express News on Thursday.

The seat was held by PPP leader Ayaz Soomro in the parliament. Soomro has vacated the seat and will be appointed as law advisor to Sindh Chief Minister Qaim Ali Shah. NA-204 has been a PPP stronghold and was previously won by Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, Nusrat Bhutto and Benazir Bhutto. The decision was reportedly taken at a party meeting yesterday in Naudero. Official announcement of this decision is likely to be made on December 27 on Benazir’s death anniversary.

In October, PPP President of south Punjab chapter Makhdoom Shahbuddin had said that Bilawal will soon be appointed opposition leader in the National Assembly after winning the election.
He had added that the young Bhutto would eventually progress from opposition leader to prime minister of Pakistan in next general elections.

Welcome to Project Bilawal
Though he was officially ‘launched’ last year, the young chairman of the Pakistan Peoples Party only entered the political realm on October 18 with a speech in which he directly took on his party’s political competition for the first time. In so many ways, 25-year-old Bilawal is a reflection of the party that he has inherited. Both are in a transitional phase, which can be very long and awkward affairs requiring a lot of patience, investment and getting used to. Bilawal has been a work in progress – despite his title, despite expectations, and despite many feeling that he has been around for a while (after all, his political career is still technically a few months old.) It is too early to judge him, and certainly too early to write him off – as many had already done.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 27 Dec 2013 02:09

Balance of Payment loan : Credit Suisse for providing Pakistan with $225 million

ISLAMABAD : Credit Suisse is participating in a consortium for providing Balance of Payment loan of $225 million for Pakistan.

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Prem · Post by **Prem** » 27 Dec 2013 02:09

http://tribune.com.pk/story/650893/bang ... -channels/
Bangladesh cable operators seek ban on Pakistani TV channels

DHAKA: The Cable Operators Association of Bangladesh (Coab), a body of cable operators in Bangladesh, threatened on Thursday that they would take all Pakistani television channels in Bangladesh off-air, Thedailystar.net reported.
The ban, if enacted, will be yet another step towards a complete breakdown in fast deteriorating ties between Pakistan and Bangladesh.It has been reported that the ban on Pakistani channels will be put into effect due to rising tension between the two countries following JI leader Abdul Quader Molla’s hanging.Pakistani investors who have invested into Bangladesh also face uncertainty after the incident.Bangladesh’s commerce secretary was quoted as saying “We will decide in a day or two about the participation of Pakistani stalls in the trade fair”. He assured the youth that the demand for suspending trade relations with Pakistan had been conveyed to higher authorities.Earlier this week, many protestors gathered around the Pakistan High Commission office in Dhaka to protest against Pakistan’s reaction to the hanging – particularly the National Assembly’s resolution condemning Molla’s killing.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 27 Dec 2013 05:29

US court releases Kashmiri separatist Ghulam Nabi Fai

Kashmiri separatist leader Ghulam Nabi Fai was released early from a minimum-security penitentiary, thanks to a surprising motion moved by the prosecution.
Click here!
He served only 16 months of a two-year sentence for conspiracy and violations of various tax laws pertaining to a nonprofit. Srinagar-born Fai, 64, was released from the Federal Correctional Institution in Cumberland, Maryland, after Assistant United States Attorney Gordon Kromberg moved a motion November 15 calling for his prison sentence to be reduced

Ginsberg said, with 15 percent reduction of his prison term as moved by the government, Fai’s release date would be March 27,2014, and that “he has been approved for release to a half-way house in Newport News January 3, 2014.”

She added that Fai had also been told “that a job offer he has received in Washington, DC should result in an almost immediate transfer from the halfway house in Newport News to home confinement.”

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 27 Dec 2013 09:25

Pakistan's State of Denial

By TAHMIMA ANAM

DHAKA, Bangladesh — It was a Pakistani journalist, Anthony Mascarenhas, who gave the world the first detailed account of Bangladesh’s war of independence. In April 1971, soon after the army of Pakistan started suppressing the secessionist movement in what was then still the eastern part of the country, it invited Mr. Mascarenhas to report on the conflict, believing he would buttress the false propaganda of a just war. Mr. Mascarenhas promptly moved his family, and then himself, to Britain knowing that soon he would no longer be able to live in Pakistan.

“For six days as I traveled with the officers of the 9th Division headquarters at Comilla I witnessed at close quarters the extent of the killing,” Mr. Mascarenhas wrote in a lengthy, damning report published under the headline “Genocide” in the June 13, 1971, edition of The Sunday Times.

“I saw Hindus, hunted from village to village and door to door, shot off-hand after a cursory ‘short-arm inspection’ showed they were uncircumcised. I have heard the screams of men bludgeoned to death in the compound of the Circuit House (civil administrative headquarters) in Comilla. I have seen truckloads of other human targets and those who had the humanity to try to help them hauled off ‘for disposal’ under the cover of darkness and curfew.”

Four decades later, Mr. Mascarenhas’s government still insists on denying the past: the mass killing of civilians (perhaps as many as three million), the targeting of Hindus, the systematic rape of thousands. On Dec. 16, Pakistan’s National Assembly adopted a resolution expressing concern over the recent execution of Abdul Quader Mollah, a leader of Jamaat-e-Islami, Bangladesh’s leading Islamic party, who was convicted by a Bangladeshi court of committing murder and rape while collaborating with the Pakistani Army during the 1971 war. Calling Mr. Mollah a Pakistani sympathizer — and the independence of Bangladesh “the fall of Dhaka” — a multiparty majority of the assembly complained that Mr. Mollah was sentenced because of his “loyalty to Pakistan” and asked the Bangladeshi government to drop all other cases against the Jamaat leadership.

There is no doubt the Pakistani Army committed war crimes in 1971. Yet in history books and schoolrooms throughout Pakistan, the army’s atrocities are glossed over.

This denial prevails despite an official study by the Pakistani Army. Just after the war, Prime Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto set up an independent judicial commission to investigate atrocities committed in East Pakistan in order to understand why the army had failed there. When the Hamoodur Rahman Commission report was published in 1974, it documented how, under the pretense of quashing a rebellion, the Pakistani Army had planned and carried out the execution of intellectuals, soldiers, officials, businessmen and industrialists, and had buried them in mass graves.

The commission recommended that the Pakistani government set up a special court to further investigate misconduct by the army. This never happened, and the report remained classified for nearly three decades. Five Pakistani heads of state have visited Bangladesh since 1971 without extending a formal apology. The closest any of them came to recognizing Pakistan’s wrongs was Pervez Musharraf, who wrote in 2002 in a visitors’ book at a war memorial near Dhaka, “Your brothers and sisters in Pakistan share the pains of the events of 1971. The excesses committed during the unfortunate period are regrettable.”

Bangladesh’s own efforts to deal with its messy birth were unsuccessful — until 2008, when the Awami League was voted into power partly on a mandate to hold a war crimes trial that would bring to justice the people who collaborated with the Pakistani Army in 1971. (By then Bangladeshis had grown weary of successive governments’ turning a blind eye to crimes many of their own families had endured.) The International Crimes Tribunal was created in 2009; 12 men have been charged so far; three of them have been convicted, including Mr. Mollah.

From the outset, the court was dogged with criticism. It has been accused of skirting international procedural standards and of being politically motivated: Most of the accused are members of Jamaat-e-Islami. In December 2012, President Abdullah Gul of Turkey requested “clemency” for the defendants, on the grounds that they were “too old” to stand trial. On the eve of Mr. Mollah’s appeal, Secretary of State John Kerry reportedly warned Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina of Bangladesh that Mr. Mollah’s execution would create instability on the eve of the general election set for Jan. 5.

Whatever one thinks of these trials or the death penalty generally, the sentence against Mr. Mollah was handed down by an independent court in a sovereign country on the basis of extensive eyewitness testimony. And Mr. Mollah’s execution on Dec. 12 had widespread public support. Never mind Prime Minister Hasina’s flaws: At least she has had the political courage to take a stand against whitewashing the past, while the opposition leader, Khaleda Zia, has reinforced her ties with Jamaat by remaining silent on the matter.

But then, a few days after Mr. Mollah’s execution — precisely on the anniversary of Pakistani Army’s surrender to independent Bangladesh — the Pakistani National Assembly adopted its denialist resolution. Instead of supporting Bangladesh’s efforts to come to terms with its brutal birth, Pakistan is pouring salt into its wounds. Pakistan, it is high time you apologize.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 27 Dec 2013 19:07

Perhaps I Arrive flight finally arrives at Lahore Airport after 55 hours

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Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 27 Dec 2013 21:07

chetak wrote:Pakistan's State of Denial
In December 2012, President Abdullah Gul of Turkey requested “clemency” for the defendants, on the grounds that they were “too old” to stand trial. On the eve of Mr. Mollah’s appeal, Secretary of State John Kerry reportedly warned Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina of Bangladesh that Mr. Mollah’s execution would create instability on the eve of the general election set for Jan. 5.

Interesting the note of "caution" struck by Turkey (and backed the US) in this. Gulenist Turks have a wide educational network (under the aegis of Hizmet) in BDesh, comparable with Afghanistan and Paki Northern Areas.

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 28 Dec 2013 00:18

Agnimitra wrote: Interesting the note of "caution" struck by Turkey (and backed the US) in this. Gulenist Turks have a wide educational network (under the aegis of Hizmet) in BDesh, comparable with Afghanistan and Paki Northern Areas.

You expected more from a government that denies its own genocide; the Armenian?

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 28 Dec 2013 01:01

Lisa wrote:
Agnimitra wrote: Interesting the note of "caution" struck by Turkey (and backed the US) in this. Gulenist Turks have a wide educational network (under the aegis of Hizmet) in BDesh, comparable with Afghanistan and Paki Northern Areas.
You expected more from a government that denies its own genocide; the Armenian?

No, what I find noteworthy is the interest they have in this. It indicates an unwillingness on their part (Turkey, US) to see the Paki Islamist network within BD cornered, exposed and culled. Part of it may be Turkey's fear that it will fuel calls for their own genocide to be acknowledged. But in that case the US has recently nudged them to acknowledge it. In this case not so. I think there is another angle to it than just the insecurity about the Armenian genocide.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 28 Dec 2013 01:59

Part of it may be Turkey's fear that it will fuel calls for their own genocide to be acknowledged. But in that case the US has recently nudged them to acknowledge it.......(ellipsis used in the sense of aposiopesis).

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 28 Dec 2013 02:57

Agnimitra wrote: No, what I find noteworthy is the interest they have in this. It indicates an unwillingness on their part (Turkey, US) to see the Paki Islamist network within BD cornered, exposed and culled. Part of it may be Turkey's fear that it will fuel calls for their own genocide to be acknowledged. But in that case the US has recently nudged them to acknowledge it. In this case not so. I think there is another angle to it than just the insecurity about the Armenian genocide.

Their axiom is do as I say not as I do. The US has the 'right' to go half the way around the world to unseat a government in Iraq, see of almost 100,00 dead but India must sit on a table and 'talk' with pukistan. Turkey has the right to ask for justice when it sends ships to breach another nations sea borders to deliver aid and yet virtually forbids the teaching of Kurdish in eastern Turkey. Yet both know what is right in the Indian Sub Continent.

It is important to ignore these hypocrites and conjure solutions in India for Indians. A long time ago I had some legal issues. My lawyer did something that will be with me forever. He in essence ignored all the letters from the opposing party. He could not care less with their demands or questions. He answered and responded to none. He remained focused on just one thing, his clients needs and claim. I won!

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 28 Dec 2013 09:59

sanjaykumar

Lisa, true that. Its just useful to highlight every piece of evidence that Turkey, like Pakistan, is a partner in the American project to shape the world order that uses violent Islamist in its favour while suppressing it in other places. In this manipulation of the "Shem-Japheth-Ham" equation, it helps to juxtapose the Armenian Christian genocide with the genocide targeting mainly Hindus in BDesh, in order to invoke the "conscience" of many other sections within American and Western society in general...

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 28 Dec 2013 11:40

Dont Click The Link After Eating
PTI criticises govt for misleading nation

ISLAMABAD - Central Information Secretary Pakistan Tahreek-e-Insaf (PTI) Shireen Mazari has strongly criticised the government for misleading people about the Kishenganga decision given by the International Court of Arbitration (ICA).The government claimed the decision as a victory for Pakistan but Mazari pointed out that in reality the decision has undermined Pakistan’s long-term water inflows by guaranteeing only a minimum flow of water for Pakistan. Mazari highlighted that there were two pleas relating to this issue: one was the plea that the project should be stopped; second was that the legitimate water flow to Pakistan was being interrupted because of the design of the project. Many experts felt at the time of going to the ICA that Pakistan went with the wrong plea: that the project is stopped.Already in the earlier announced partial award it was clear that the Indus Water Treaty did not preclude dam construction per se and Pakistan should have gone beyond this Treaty to object to the actual design itself and to give all the relevant data. Yet this did not happen. Mazari said a reading of the detailed judgement shows clearly that both the so-called professionals and experts representing Pakistan’s case were incompetent or deliberately in league with India to undermine Pakistan’s interests. Repeatedly the ICA in its judgement refers to Pakistan not having supplied essential data including on “current or anticipated agricultural uses of water from the Kishenganga”. Pakistan did not submit data on the impact of the project on Pakistan. In fact there seemed to have been a complete absence of any data supplied to put forward Pakistan’s case.
PTI’s Information Secretary stated that this clearly showed mala fide intent on the part of all those responsible from the previous government which appointed a layperson with not an iota of experience in the field, as coordinator purely because he was a friend of the then President, to the professionals supposedly fighting Pakistan’s cause. Mazari demanded of the present government to hold all those involved in what was clearly a conspiracy against Pakistan’s access to its rightful share of water accountable. “There could even be a case for treason given how there was a deliberate withholding of data from the Pakistani side to allow India success in its designs to deny Pakistan its rightful share of water under the Indus Water Treaty”, Mazari ass Verted. She also reminded that because of the delay in the Neelum-Jhelum project India’s Kishenganga project gained an advantage for being first off the block. This again showed the ineptitude of the Pakistani government to protect vital national interests, Mazari concluded

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Dec 2013 12:05

Jhujar wrote: Mazari said a reading of the detailed judgement shows clearly that both the so-called professionals and experts representing Pakistan’s case were incompetent or deliberately in league with India to undermine Pakistan’s interests.

Madam somehow feels (and it is a reflection of Pakistani thinking) that the problem was in the presentation of the case alone and not on the entirely non-existent foundation on which Pakistan tried to build a sand castle. This has been their approach to every issue. If it is terrorism, it is just the fault of not projecting the right image to the rest of the world. If it is a series of increasingly wider-margin military defeats with India, it was just the question of incorrect political decisions or the unfriendly act of USA. If it was the loss of East Pakistan, it was simply Hindu conspiracy. If it was poor water resources, it is India building all these dams. If it is poor economy, it is just India dragging Pakistan into an arms race.

Pakistan should have gone beyond this Treaty to object to the actual design itself and to give all the relevant data. Yet this did not happen.

Actual design was communicated to the PIC, Pakistan a long time back and they have been in possession of 'relevant data'. PIC, Pakistan visited the Kishenganga project site and convinced itself that the actial construction followed the design. the ICA also visited the project site extensively and satisfied itself. There was absolutely nothing wrong either with the design or the actual construction itself. Madam is frothing at the mouth corners unnecessarily.

She also reminded that because of the delay in the Neelum-Jhelum project India’s Kishenganga project gained an advantage for being first off the block. This again showed the ineptitude of the Pakistani government to protect vital national interests, Mazari concluded

India was off the block first because it had a detailed project report and Pakistan had none. India presented it to the Pakistani PIC much before Pakistan had even initiated anything on its Neelum-Jhelum project. Pakistan's priority had never been power projects, as the pathetic power situation of the last decade in that country amply demonstrates. Pakistan had always been interested in hindering Indian projects. It was frittering away its more than scarce resources in stalling Indian projects rather than in developing its own infrastructure.

As is the normal Pakistani behaviour, it is time for Conspiracy Theories folks and who is better at it than dear old Madam. She should have unleashed her honey bees instead to get a verdict in Pakistan's favour as she did to that poor British military attache.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Dec 2013 13:11

Pakistan Reaching Out to All, Nawaz Sharif - Meena Menon, The Hindu

Prime Minister Muhammed Nawaz Sharif on Friday said that to realise foreign policy objectives, Pakistan had taken important initiatives to resume dialogue with India, apart from improving relations with Afghanistan, strengthening strategic partnership with China and re-building ties with the U.S.

Speaking at the inauguration of a new Foreign Ministry office building named the Sahabzada Yaqub Khan block, he said Pakistan wanted to live peacefully and maintain friendly relations with its neighbours and with the world at large. He said the country’s foreign policy is based on four key priorities to build a peaceful and prosperous neighbourhood, reach out to regional and international partners, focus on “trade, not aid” and lastly develop a consensus-based approach to counter terrorism. {What is this consensus-based approach to tackle terror ? Almost no party in Pakistan is going to support action against terror groups}

Mr. Sharif said: “Our message to the world is of peace and friendship. We seek cooperation based on mutual interest. Our effort is to transform the existing friendly ties into mutually beneficial partnerships.”

He said that for any state, diplomacy was the first line of defence {and jhad terror was the second line, eh ?} and diplomats, therefore, played an indispensable role in any nation’s efforts to promote peace, and foster regional and international cooperation. Conventional diplomacy had now acquired new dimensions.

Quoting Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah who said “Our object should be peace within and peace without,” Mr. Sharif said that it still remains the defining element of Pakistan’s foreign policy. One of the most distinguishing features of present times is the peaceful democratic transition in Pakistan. However, the government was conscious of the formidable issues — the menace of extremism and terrorism and a challenging economic situation.

He said the government’s priorities in the domestic arena include fighting terrorism{How will you fight as there is no consensus ?}, reviving the economy, resolving the energy crisis, and improving governance.

“We live in a globalised world where no one can afford isolation at any level,” he said, adding that the aura of elitism was no longer relevant and the foreign service should align with public service.

Shallow words.

partha · Post by **partha** » 28 Dec 2013 13:27

*coffee spill alert*

Pakis decided to write articles analyzing "India's poverty"

http://tribune.com.pk/story/651344/indi ... y-profile/

"India's latest poverty profile" is the headline but full article is about Indian Muslims.

Another one in Dawn http://www.dawn.com/news/1074856/the-pe ... rban-india

When was the last census in Pakistan again? I mean, there is no limit to hypocrisy and shame when it comes to Pakis. Just no words to describe their rotten minds. No wonder their country is one giant sh*thole.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 28 Dec 2013 15:15

latest on war against polio workers
Polio worker killed, two others injured in Peshawar firing

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Dec 2013 15:51

Indian Frm to Setup Power Project in Pakistani Punjab - Economic Times

Pakistan has signed an agreement with an Indian firm for setting up a 15 MW biomass power plant in Punjab province.

Universal Biomass Energy director Pawan Preet Singh Badal and Ejaz Munir, Agriculture Secretary of Pakistani Punjab, signed a memorandum of understanding for the project during a ceremony held yesterday at the Chief Minister's Secretariat here [Lahore].

Provincial Agriculture Minister Farrukh Javed said India would provide technical assistance for the power plant.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 28 Dec 2013 18:30

Drone protests isolating Pakistan : Sharif

ISLAMABAD : Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif sounded on Friday an implied warning to his political rivals engaged in anti-drone protests against pushing the country into isolation in the international arena and said his government desired peace and friendship with other countries.

Cheers

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 28 Dec 2013 18:42

>>Provincial Agriculture Minister Farrukh Javed said India would provide technical assistance

Don't see how we can provide... Paks are already experts par excellence. Every time they open their mouths they convert crap to gas!

kish · Post by **kish** » 28 Dec 2013 19:22

Tallel than himalayas, deepel than oceans friend of china. The one and only pakisatan has put china back in this map.

India has to shun all these liberalized visa regime with pakisatan.

(Source: bill gates twitter page)

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Dec 2013 19:26

kish wrote:Tallel than himalayas, deepel than oceans friend of china. The one and only pakisatan has put china back in this map.

Hey, this is the least Pakistan can do in return to all the help China has provided over the years, apart from, of course, furthering terrorism in Kashgar and elsewhere.

LakshO · Post by **LakshO** » 28 Dec 2013 20:03

kish wrote:Tallel than himalayas, deepel than oceans friend of china. The one and only pakisatan has put china back in this map.

Serving just desserts, paki ishtyle

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 28 Dec 2013 20:12

Pakistan's maritime defense impregnable: PM

Yeah right their buddy OBL agrees from his grave

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 28 Dec 2013 20:22

It’s not just gangsters that are dying in Lyari

Official numbers suggest that almost half of those killed in Lyari in 2013 belonged to ethnic groups and minorities with no political representation in Karachi.
The poor law and order in Pakistan, minority leader Dr Ramesh Kumar Vankwani claims, was forcing the paranoid non-Muslims to migrate from the country.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 28 Dec 2013 20:27

Pakistan Begins Producing Block-II JF-17 Aircraft

Usman Shabbir, an analyst of the Pakistan Military Consortium, described the value added by the Block-II JF-17s for Pakistan’s air defense capabilities. According to Shabbir, 50 JF-17s “are enough to form three squadrons with a typical squadron strength of 16 aircraft.” He adds, “From early 2014 the first Block-II will rollout. Block-II has no airframe changes other than the addition of [an in-flight refuelling probe] which would later also be refitted to all Block-I aircraft. Most of the improvements are in radar and avionics.”

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 29 Dec 2013 07:52

Posting without comment

Haqqanis are sick

arun · Post by **arun** » 29 Dec 2013 13:37

X Posted from the Islamism thread.

The seamy side of Mohammadden Shariah law.

In the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, two men sentenced by the Court to be executed for claiming to have seen God:

Convicted: Two get death sentence in blasphemy case

Handing down death penalties on account of obscene laws stated to be derived from Mohammadden religion law is not uncommon in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Just yesterday in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, a man was sentenced to be executed for drawing the picture of Mohammaddenism’s prophet:

Death sentence given in blasphemy case

Displays of a surfeit of Mohammadden piety of this type in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan does nothing but give Mohammaddenism a bad name.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 29 Dec 2013 16:13

Zahil Hamid on Kishanganga verdict. An a$$fart debate.

"hamarahi paani chori karke bharat superpower banta dikhai de raha hai" [India is becoming superpower by stealing our water...]

BTW if ZH has so much visible hair then how much are concealed? Every time how much time he must be spending to search his 'needle' from the haystack!