Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 30 Dec 2013 18:14

ramana wrote:
VikramS wrote:A known NaMo-fan defects to AAP
http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.co ... the-plunge

RajeshA: Yes the question is of initiative. BJP/NaMo has lost it, while AAP is dictating it right now.
Vikram, The guy is not a clear thinker.
How does he reconcile the AAP getting INC support to form govt but at same time he detests BJP 'collusion with rotten system'!

Ramana ji

please have a look at this link

http://freedomteam.in/

Bhagwat is with Sabhlok. Sabhlok is the same guy who opposed Ramdev and Anna Hazare during 2011 Ram Leela agitation.

I still feel they nurse ambitions about the assumption of office by Freedom Party of India. The just do not have the financial resources. Are they trying to piggy back AAP to get their organisation the name and fame? Only they know.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 30 Dec 2013 18:17

So a part of the promise is fulfilled. The part that will ensure that the waterless people will remain waterless even as waterfull will consume like fools.

Now onto leather currency.

Also Bhopal is in the center of India lets shift the capital.

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Meantime:
Free water and condoms for binge drinkers
Eyewitness News
http://ewn.co.za/2013/12/30/free-water- ... or-boozers

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panduranghari ji, please write the full name. Santanu Bhagwat.

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http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 145992.cms

Delhi takes revenge on Haryana.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 30 Dec 2013 18:31

subhamoy.das ji,

thanks for the input. Could you please change the Message Title, as it would make it much easier later on to find the posts on this initiative.

Instead of "Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India", please change to "Narendra Modi vs Arvind Kejriwal".

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 30 Dec 2013 18:35

arindam wrote:Beginning of Nehruvian socialism 2.0

Just in from NDTV breaking news: 20 Kiloliters of free water per month from Jan 1. Decision to be reviewed after 3 months.

NDTV is going gaga with the big red flashing headline "AAP keeps promise".

AAP government gives 20 kilo litre free water per connection in Delhi
Keeping up its pre-poll promise, the Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) government on Monday announced that 20 kilo litre of free water will be supplied per month to all the domestic consumers with functional meter from January 1. Delhi Jal Board CEO Vijay Kumar that 20 kilo litre of water will be free of cost from January 1 and those whose consumption is beyond the above limit will be charged for the entire usage.
Who would explain to these junta, the bold part is the most problematic of all. It would breed further corruption.

This is the first scam by Aam Aadmi Party.

Now people would get 20 kilo liters of free water per month from Delhi Jal Board, and buy any additional water from the tanker mafia, so that they don't have to pay for the free 20 kilo liters of water.

So more money would now flow to the tanker mafia who would then share the booty with AAP and Kejriwal! Everybody happy. Delhi Jal Board finished after a while, more likely like after 3 months.

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 30 Dec 2013 18:42

So providing free water on just the second day qualifies as "delivering promise"? If he wants, he can remove all types of state level taxes today itself. Afterall what goes his father's? But then what? I thought he said water tax is because of corruption. So logically he needs to remove corruption which must reflect in the state's balance sheet over 2-3 years at least. And once you have enough surplus you may go for the tax cuts. Is it so very hard for delhites to understand? I guess not.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 30 Dec 2013 18:45

Guys

There is no way around this aap conundrum without namo shouting at the top of his voice that aap is in bed with congress

habal · Post by **habal** » 30 Dec 2013 18:47

this can bankrupt DJB, and then it could become pretext for its privatization. People may note that DJB privatization was blocked by previous govt which was under tremendous WB pressure to privatize DJB and impose heavy user charges under some 24X7 scheme.

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 30 Dec 2013 18:54

Can Manohar Parrikar be used to dismantle Kejriwal. He clearly is as 'aam' as it gets. Parrikar is of course a CM and will be very busy. But he questioning Kejriwal and co. at least once a week, could set a cat among the pigeons. Modi should continue doing what he is doing. But get someone else to target the 'aam' bit of AAP.

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 30 Dec 2013 18:58

^^ Who will report Parikkar's questions?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 30 Dec 2013 19:00

like all circuses this daily update breaking news will lose its novelty after a week.
the reach and influence of english language MSM is anyways very limited....I think the TRP of english news channels is not enough to sustain them financially but they are kept afloat with external cats paw funds.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 30 Dec 2013 19:04

Relax guys take a break, it seems like khujliwal is giving you guys loose motions as well. Politics is for people with patience and khujli hasn't even spent a week in office. Let him continue doling out as he is but one day he would be forced to stop since when there won't be anything left in the state coffers what will khjuli give ??? Politics is for lambi race ka ghora's allow khujli to make some tantrums his day of judgement will come.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 30 Dec 2013 19:04

^^^ Boss, BJP is just a spectator to this game. How will you use Parrikar or anyone if the western controlled media is not willing to damn give even 2 mins of coverage to BJP which won 3 elections just recently, and came out as the single largest party in delhi.

Its actually nauseating, damn it every damn channel, aaj tak, abp, news 24, times now, ndtv: there is only one news, AAP ne ye kiya, AAp new wo kiya, they bloody show a joker minister who goes by auto and is paying the fare. And what is AAP, for all those AAP defenders, just a rebranded version of the NAC, not even congress party, even worse. They are stealing taxpayer money in broad daylight to fund their stupid schemes in ALLIANCE WITH CONGRESS and the media is parroting this as a success.

Singha ji, its not just English channels, even hindi channels are parroting the same.

BJP should not even hope to counter this nonsense in media at all. I take my previous post back, even if Modi shouts against AAP-Congress alliance, I bet they will not broadcast it. Probably Modi understands all this too well. Being a cadre based party, he knows his calculations and how to motivate his cadre. He knows that the core BJP voter will not flinch from BJP (we can say, I know this guy, he was BJP, but now he may go AAP; all that is fine, but a guy who is a real BJP voter/Modi supporter will vote for Kamal in 2014). All Modi has to do or probably is doing is ensuring that he/she hits the booth.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 30 Dec 2013 19:07

muraliravi you need to calm down a bit seriously.........

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 30 Dec 2013 19:10

yeah...from the atmosphere of *panic* here it would seem the Mahdi himself is leading the Black flags of Khorasan and 100,000 horsemen in a raid on Somnath temple across the sands of Sindh! bismillah!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJknGtKV34I

Chandrasekhar · Post by **Chandrasekhar** » 30 Dec 2013 19:11

He is all over hindi media too.

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 30 Dec 2013 19:11

Narendra Modi Vs. Arvind Kejrival

NM collects tax to build dams and canals so that he can deliver water to the draught hit areas. He has built 125000 check dams across the state and has built 1477 km of canals for delivering water of Narmada. Puts public money to good use.

AK gives limited free water out of public money so that he doesn't have to solve water shortage and can do corruption through tanker mafia.

gashish · Post by **gashish** » 30 Dec 2013 19:12

Arvind Kejriwal ‏@ArvindKejriwal 22m
Do u know the costs involved? Rs 160 crores per annum and just Rs 40 crores for the balance of present FY

costs for supplying 700l water/household..Is this for real?

In one of the recent episodes of GPS (Fareed zakaria) on CNN, Gurcharan Das, ex-ceo of P&G India, point-blank said AK is a populist demagogue & and has his eyes on wrong target. Basically saying to the effect that he is not the answer to India's current economic problems.

I have yet to see any person of credible authority from industry make such a strong statement about AK on Indian TV shows. Has anyone?

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 30 Dec 2013 19:18

Question to economic gurus - How much 20,000 Ltr. of free water is going to cost the exchequer ??? Rough estimate......

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 30 Dec 2013 19:22

Sagar G wrote:Question to economic gurus - How much 20,000 Ltr. of free water is going to cost the exchequer ??? Rough estimate......

Why should the affording classes of Delhi be given free water??

How does petrol end up costing more in other places than in Delhi??

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 30 Dec 2013 19:25

^^^ That's not an answer, give me some figures !!!!

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 30 Dec 2013 19:27

Narendra Modi Vs. Arvind Kejrival

NM = Tijori ka chowkidar
AK = Tijori ka dalal

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Mao would be laughing at delhi from the hell at the moment. Delhites are learning their lessons of economics the hard way.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 30 Dec 2013 19:32

~~Okay from the previously posted figure of 118 cr. loss for 700 ltr. of free water supplied I calculated a loss of 3,380 cr. for 20,000 ltr. of free water supplied.~~ crap-o-nomics ignore onlee....

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 30 Dec 2013 19:33

Vishwas looks like is in charge of the AAP go-national drive. says honest bureaucrats and regional leaders will be recruited. I guess a signal to mayus congis to jump ship.

he looks like a silicon valley startup guru speaking at a industry conf with some revolutionary product and go-to-market plan.

rajithn · Post by **rajithn** » 30 Dec 2013 19:34

Sagar G wrote:Question to economic gurus - How much 20,000 Ltr. of free water is going to cost the exchequer ??? Rough estimate......

Well, the person who was shunted out off the DJB Executive position had claimed that the loss to the exchequer would be to the tune of Rs. 118 Crores.

ashashi · Post by **ashashi** » 30 Dec 2013 19:35

AAP is to the left of the commies.

Wait till AAP presents 2014-2015 budget in March. These public give-away schemes have to be funded in the next budget. Expect significant tax increases. BJP can make an argument that AAP ruined Delhi budget in a 3 short months, what will it do to the country.

And this 700 liter/month free water is a joke. For a family of 5, it amounts less than 4 liters per day per person. That is just enough for drinking and cooking. What about bathing?

As I understand it, people will have to pay for all the water consumed if they use more than 700 liters per month. This leads to poor families saving even more water and consuming less an 700 liters per month.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 30 Dec 2013 19:38

subhamoy.das wrote:AK is soft. He cannot confront powerful dark forces such as jehadis, Chinese, pakis, Bangladeshi. In the name of peace he will appease and retreat just like UPA and offer the other cheek to be slapped

NAMO is strong. He has the strength to take head on the dark forces of jehadis, Chinese and pakis. The dark forces are afraid of him.

Here he delibrately refuses to delhi bomb attack and 26/11 and when asked again to comment, leaves the studio in angry protest:

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 30 Dec 2013 19:39

ashashi wrote:AAP is to the left of the commies.

Wait till AAP presents 2014-2015 budget in March. These public give-away schemes have to be funded in the next budget. Expect significant tax increases. BJP can make an argument that AAP ruined Delhi budget in a 3 short months, what will it do to the country.

And this 700 liter/month free water is a joke. For a family of 5, it amounts less than 4 liters per day per person. That is just enough for drinking and cooking. What about bathing?

As I understand it, people will have to pay for all the water consumed if they use more than 700 liters per month. This leads to poor families saving even more water and consuming less an 700 liters per month.

Its 700 Lts per day, Sirjee. 20 KL per month onlee

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 30 Dec 2013 19:42

chetak wrote:Its 700 Lts per day, Sirjee. 20 KL per month onlee

Per day he had promised !!!! Wallah so it's 118 cr., I thought he had promised 700 ltr. per month.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 30 Dec 2013 20:01

BJP vs AAP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXCvLzDNWz0

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 30 Dec 2013 20:02

it requires 750 ltrs for bath alone, how is 700 ltrs enough for everything

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 30 Dec 2013 20:10

yeah its 700 ltrs / day

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 30 Dec 2013 20:24

Sagar G wrote:Question to economic gurus - How much 20,000 Ltr. of free water is going to cost the exchequer ??? Rough estimate......

Saw a tweet 4m @ThinkersPad, it was a subsidy of Rs 1660 crores.

subhamoy.das · Post by **subhamoy.das** » 30 Dec 2013 20:30

Narendra Modi Vs. Arvind Kejrival

NAMO builds up the state treasury and uses it help those who need it the most
AK drains the state treasury and use it to help those who needs it the least!

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 30 Dec 2013 20:33

We Indians have a habit of shooting ourselves in the foot when we are close to victory. I see that some BRFites are falling for this Congress chamcha Arvind Kejriwal. Bloody buffoon is a purist lefty who reminds me of those wall street protesters. Full of emotion and no solutions. We have the bloody jihadis and maoists on our borders and infesting the country and our economy is being chewed up by excessive spending and all he can preach is 700 liters of paani and take the support of the same retarded party which was responsible for landing the country in this clusterf*ck of problems.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 30 Dec 2013 20:49

The majority opinion is for NM. The dhoti-shivering is if he doesn't make it which will be a big opportunity lost for India.

subhamoy.das · Post by **subhamoy.das** » 30 Dec 2013 20:54

Narendra Modi Vs. Arvind Kejrival

While NAMO empowers the babus to improve the govt delivery system
AK threatens the babus and brings the delivery system to a halt

While NAMO's vision is to bring back Trillion $ black money to country
AK's vision is to plug Rs100 bribe

NAMO is a leader who leads from the front and can take big decisions
AK is a leader who leads from the rear and goes to the public for small decisions

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 30 Dec 2013 20:56

Arre it is not 700 liter freedom to waste that matter it is the bloody tughlaqiness of it all. Shree inequity of it all is mind numbing.

OTOH you have 50 lac people who do not have piping and depend on tankers to purchase their water. Their water supply is being threatened day in and day out and yet they vote for this creature. Hell even well to do use bottled mineral water in NCR.

OTOH you have people with plumbing installed who will get it for free. And previleged groups in Munirka would get together to sell the excess water to R.K.Puram. WT_

And how the hell does a gobermint make sure that one meter implies 4 head family. Its incredible how stupid these kala angrez think we Indians are.

The money part will come in the electricity zutiyapa. And the fantastic thing is now Congress is looking much more intelligent compared to these imbeciles.

arindam · Post by **arindam** » 30 Dec 2013 20:58

deleted aap stuff.

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 30 Dec 2013 21:01

kapilrdave wrote:^^ Who will report Parikkar's questions?

Social media. Its the only thing that does have some chance.

ashashi · Post by **ashashi** » 30 Dec 2013 21:33

RajeshA wrote:
Sagar G wrote:Question to economic gurus - How much 20,000 Ltr. of free water is going to cost the exchequer ??? Rough estimate......
Saw a tweet 4m @ThinkersPad, it was a subsidy of Rs 1660 crores.

According to this the water tarrif in Delhi for 20Kiloliters is:

Service Charge: $121.00
Volumetric Charge: $3.63 * 20 = $72.60
Sewage Charge: $72.6 * .6 = $43.56

Total: $237.16 / household