Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 31 Dec 2013 09:52

aap has no vision for India... let alone contending a dynasty. again, this thread is not for aap vs dynasty.

btw, we all should know why this thread exists.

dynastic rulings have deteriorated our democracy and indirectlly affecting all security and strategic aspect of the nation building. < core need.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 31 Dec 2013 10:15

SaiK wrote:aap has no vision for India...

They have no holistic vision for India. But the AAP's core 'idea' is that a holistic vision for the country is not necessary as long as they successfully address 'small-ticket' corruption issues and other populist concerns relevant to the 'aam admi'. There is obviously a large segment of the urban population, who one would have suspected had better sense, who are falling for this gimmick. This idea that a holistic vision centered on growth, development and cultural moorings is not as important as imagined corruption in public life - needs to be countered.

This is the thread for countering this simplistic nonsense.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 31 Dec 2013 10:31

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JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 31 Dec 2013 10:40

^^ looks photoshop'ed.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 31 Dec 2013 10:47

it is

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 31 Dec 2013 10:55

^^Uh-oh.. .keen eyes, eh? mine are rusty now... age is showing I guess...

This one is certainly photo-shopped now that I look keenly at it...

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 31 Dec 2013 11:23

If MMS resigns and makes Rahul as PM for the next few months, it will implies:
1. Cong wants to give Rahul a tag of "Former PM" so that he and his family (if any in future) can enjoy privileges, paid by Indian tax payers forever.
2. If PM changes, the new PM has to get trust vote in LS, i.e. needs 272+ members approval for new PM, it will definitely a daunting task and if Cong takes this gamble, it will unmask all B Teams of Congress (like BSP, SP) and even it will give glimpse on course of action of JDU and DMK.

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 31 Dec 2013 11:29

^^So what happens if the new PM does not pass the trust vote? Since the general elections are around the corner, will the Lok Sabha still be disssolved and Prez's rule will come into play or will there be a care taker PM?

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 31 Dec 2013 11:37

If PranabDa wants to take his sweet revenge on DieNasty, he may first ask Rahul to get LS floor approval before taking oath as new PM, if he does it will make Rahul as laughing stock.
or
Since elections are very near, Prez may dissolve LS and ask MMS to continue as caretaker PM before new PM swore in. Before dissolution he may ask LS to approve a vote-on account budget.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 31 Dec 2013 11:46

hanumadu wrote:^^So what happens if the new PM does not pass the trust vote? Since the general elections are around the corner, will the Lok Sabha still be disssolved and Prez's rule will come into play or will there be a care taker PM?

Hanumadu: As singha said before in this thread perhaps this is the advice shishya got from his guru on guru poornima (MMS visiting ABV on his b'day).

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 31 Dec 2013 12:34

No place for Team Vajpayee leftovers in Team Modi - Madhav Nalapat in The Sunday Guardian

Worth reading the article in full.

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 31 Dec 2013 12:38

kmkraoind wrote:If MMS resigns and makes Rahul as PM for the next few months, it will implies:
1. Cong wants to give Rahul a tag of "Former PM" so that he and his family (if any in future) can enjoy privileges, paid by Indian tax payers forever.
2. If PM changes, the new PM has to get trust vote in LS, i.e. needs 272+ members approval for new PM, it will definitely a daunting task and if Cong takes this gamble, it will unmask all B Teams of Congress (like BSP, SP) and even it will give glimpse on course of action of JDU and DMK.

PMO junks media speculation, says Manmohan Singh will complete his tenure

Also regarding 1. i thought ex-PMs get security cover for 10years after stepping down only (not lifetime).

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/form ... 95856.html

In 2003, the SPG annual budget was Rs.75 crore with over 3,000 men. Then, the Lok Sabha passed the Special Protection Group (Amendment) Bill which limits SPG cover to former prime ministers to one year after leaving office.

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 31 Dec 2013 13:08

Posted that Firstpost water article on FB. Got a lot of positive comments and multiple shares.
Feel a bit better now; all is not lost.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 31 Dec 2013 13:24

> "Former PM"

as the family of late rajiv gandhi I think the gandhi clan are already entitled to lifelong NSG cover as long as threat perception persists. not sure if SPG cover is also guaranteed to former PMs.

their threat perception is imo 0.0 because keeping them in charge is the best bet for all our enemies to see india go down the drain. Cheen would be willing to depute a batallion of "white leopard" shturmtroopers to ensure they are kept safe n sound.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 31 Dec 2013 13:35

their threat perception is imo 0.0 because keeping them in charge is the best bet for all our enemies to see india go down the drain.

700% agree.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 31 Dec 2013 14:13

Below tweet is factually wrong because police is under union gubmint in Dilli, IIRC... still what goes of my pocket in sharing onlee...

archan · Post by **archan** » 31 Dec 2013 14:19

They gave a nice washy washy to the unwashed BJP protesters in front of RG home today. I wonder if the CM has had time in between his loose motions to assess how many kilolitres of water was wasted.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 31 Dec 2013 14:21

BTW, this is timely and should save SDRE dhoti-shiver brigade much angst early on...

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 31 Dec 2013 14:27

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 31 Dec 2013 14:57

Sushma didi and Anantha Kumar did their bit to destroy Yaddi and it is good he is now back.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 31 Dec 2013 15:09

Apparently some of the comments made by the courts are pretty damaging for the whole Legislative reforms sub-culture. Lokayukt lawyer was asked for evidences and he is report to have kept mum (wiki for yeddy).

Besides this Yeddy has also gotten relief in another irrigation related scam.

But hardly matters as they say in Hindi Bud se Badnaam bura. The point that is more important is that has he been able to save enough of his base to be useful.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 31 Dec 2013 15:38

I hope the last ditch effort by 'delhi based bjp' players doesnt scuttle his entry

The Hindu:

KJP president is expecting a formal invitation from the BJP in two days

The former Chief Minister and president of the Karnataka Janata Paksha B.S. Yeddyurappa said his party will merge with the Bharatiya Janata Party unconditionally.

“I have decided to return to the BJP in the interests of the nation. I have not demanded any position for myself or for my supporters in the BJP,” he said at the district-level meeting of the KJP here on Monday. Mr. Yeddyurappa also said he was returning to the BJP to help Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi become the Prime Minister.

After the BJP declared Mr. Modi as its prime ministerial candidate, several spiritual leaders had requested him to join the BJP, he said. The people of Karnataka also want the KJP to merge with BJP to help Mr. Modi to become Prime Minister. The State executive committee meeting of the KJP held recently decided to merge the party with the BJP, he said.

Mr. Yeddyurappa said he was expecting a formal invitation from the BJP in two days. “After my re-entry, I will tour the entire State to rejuvenate the party. The BJP’s tally in the coming LS elections will improve this time,” he said.

He called upon his supporters not to lose heart over the future of the KJP. The party will emerge as a strong political force in Karnataka in a short span of time. KJP was able to secure more than 10 per cent votes in the recent Assembly elections in the State. The BJP leaders are also aware of the strengths of the KJP. After the merger, BJP leaders should assess the capabilities of KJP leaders and offer suitable opportunities to them, he said.

“The performance of the BJP in the LS polls will depend on the way party leaders treat my supporters. I will not desert them for selfish gains,” he promised.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 31 Dec 2013 18:08

VikramS wrote:Posted that Firstpost water article on FB. Got a lot of positive comments and multiple shares.
Feel a bit better now; all is not lost.

Compare how Modi will solve the problem to Kejri's mishandling is the best way to Show and Tell

My contribution to help Modi

swarnaa singh, Mandar Sawant and Sootradhar retweeted you
11h: @_j_n_s @narendramodi would have ensured 24x7 water 4 Delhi but Kejriwal gives free water for two hours (Populism) http://www.firstpost.com/politics/why-a ... 14785.html …

10h
L N Patnaik favorited your Tweet
11h: @_j_n_s @narendramodi would have ensured 24x7 water 4 Delhi but Kejriwal gives free water for two hours (Populism) http://www.firstpost.com/politics/why-a ... 14785.html …

10h
Abhinav Agarwal retweeted a Tweet you were mentioned in
10h: #PaaniGate RT @vivekrao_2000: Modi would have ensured 24x7 water 4 Delhi but Kejriwal gives free (cont) http://tl.gd/n3f3gj

Sootradhar ‏@_j_n_s 10h
#PaaniGate RT @vivekrao_2000: Modi would have ensured 24x7 water 4 Delhi but Kejriwal gives free (cont) http://tl.gd/n3f3gj

KLP Dubey · Post by **KLP Dubey** » 31 Dec 2013 18:18

kmkraoind wrote:If PranabDa wants to take his sweet revenge on DieNasty, he may first ask Rahul to get LS floor approval before taking oath as new PM, if he does it will make Rahul as laughing stock.
or
Since elections are very near, Prez may dissolve LS and ask MMS to continue as caretaker PM before new PM swore in. Before dissolution he may ask LS to approve a vote-on account budget.

Pappu is constitutionally disqualified from becoming PM.

It is best to let him be announced as the Congress PM candidate, and thereby ensure a sound thrashing of the INC in the elections. In the remote possibility that Pappu is asked to form the government for some reason, Dr. Swamy will take care of things at the required time.

Among many such statements available, please check this one:

'Sonia, Rahul won’t be allowed to become PM'

KL Dubey

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 31 Dec 2013 18:19

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tqaLMOgPH0

A must-watch: Kejriwal explains how the old Delhi Government had approached the World Bank to take a loan to fund a project to privatize Delhi's water supply. The consultants overseeing the project were to have been paid 108 crores per year at a time when the Delhi Water Board's budget was 163 crores. (Just as a point of comparison, it only costs 160 crores per year to supply water free to all of Delhi). Kejriwal estimates that the cost of water would have gone up 9 times in Delhi had that project not been stopped by activists.

LakshO · Post by **LakshO** » 31 Dec 2013 19:56

svenkat wrote:
their threat perception is imo 0.0 because keeping them in charge is the best bet for all our enemies to see india go down the drain.
700% agree.

Agreed. Why would enemies of India bring harm to the dynasty? A quick look at the record of governance in the last 10 years should make any islamist/maoist/EJ happy at the state of affairs

No?

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 31 Dec 2013 20:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1byTy413EI

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 31 Dec 2013 20:12

Singha wrote:I hope the last ditch effort by 'delhi based bjp' players doesnt scuttle his entry

BSY return to BJP is the end of Sushma Swaraj. I am uncertain of AK. The article http://t.co/uQgKxpi7t8 posted in the earlier page makes a lot of sense. Will Modi show courage and break ranks and appoint right kind of people instead of those from (Vajpayee) BJP 1.0 and (Advani) BJP 2.0

The jetsam should be cast off. Modi with the help of RSS has a strong hand. Will he do it after elections or before? it does make sense to do it before as it will show he means business to many who are not too sure of the BJP in general. Perhaps many who call themselves NaMO supporters but not BJP supporters may reconsider.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 31 Dec 2013 22:57

Suraj wrote:Time to rename this the Arvind Kejriwal thread then ?

What is in a name/title? You allowed us to stick our head into the tent, Thanks. We will squeeze our body, and invite our family in too. You know what is happening, we know what is happening. Nature of humans. Beat the system onlee.

Suraj wrote:No more political threads. In fact it seems useless to have two threads on politics because no one can distinguish the two anymore. Everyone posts wherever it suits them, with no regard for the thread topic. Might as well consider merging them both into a single one and rename it the "NaMo is a zerrow, AK is a herrow" thread.

+1008 to merging the threads. Call it the "Politics - 2014"

arindam · Post by **arindam** » 31 Dec 2013 23:51

2014 is now NaMo vs rest. you decide on which side you are. (from twitter)

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 01 Jan 2014 00:24

Arvind Kejriwal could go all the way to Red Fort

Is Kejriwal the kind of people’s prime minister we are looking for? The search in 2014 would be for someone better, not the ideal. Everybody knows that all contenders, Narendra Modi, Rahul Gandhi and whoever else they may be, come with flaws.

It cannot therefore be a quest for the perfect candidate. There is none. All we want is someone who will not make us uneasy, who will offer a large heart, who is able to prioritise challenges, who has a sense of India and who can keep us safe and secure. [/b]

Madison Avenue marketing that will be fed in all languages to the clueless/naive. Add in a background of heart stirring drumbeats and Vande Mataram and you have a peoples' revolution. A sophisticated con job of social engineering is underway that meticulously exploits every single vulnerability of the aam janta's emotions, starting with the name of the party. Similar stuff was done in the Arab Spring countries.

BJP must attack on the "prioritise challenges...sense of India...keep us safe and secure" fronts. This is where AAP fails miserably on all counts for all but the totally brainless.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 01 Jan 2014 00:41

Just now seen seen a bollywood Muslim hero, I don't know his name but he acted in chanikya tv serial as senapathi Bhadrashal, praising khajri. Left and jihadists forces plan to weaken modi wave by all this rubbish.

Entire tv is khejri full filling his free water promise 50% power bill reduction. So serious forces are in active play.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 01 Jan 2014 00:43

Congress will now bring in Nilekani as the PM dropping MMS.

Outsourcing PM job to Infosys warriors.
Has multiple angles: modern, ITVTY, UUID, and US H1B visa anathema etc....

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 01 Jan 2014 01:07

Victor wrote:This is where AAP fails miserably on all counts for all but the totally brainless.

It is the frustration that makes one call others brainless. For the frog in the well, the well is the World and decisions are made from that perspective. One cannot term the frog brainless, can we? So is the case with the humans.

Elections are won because of emotions. Period. Be it America or India. Gimmicks and oratory skills help win the hearts. Divisions create alliances (like caste, religion ityadi). Populist schemes win votes. Why? Because we all live in different size of wells/ponds. And our scope of thinking is influenced by these factors. For an aam admi, who has far less information than some of us news junkies and arm-chair strategists, arm-chair economists, arm-chair kingmakers and arm-chair game-planners, his desires, fears, needs and wants are smaller and immediate. Sadak, paani, kapada, roti ityadi are important. And 60+ years of misrule have etched in the mind that babus and netas are corrupt. One cannot blame them.

Do they have the time and information to think about Islamists, Red Corridor (Maoists), Missionaries, China, Pakistan, NGOs, USA, Afghanistan/Pakistan ityadi? No. The Information/Knowledge Age is fast making Indians more knowledgeable and mindful of these factors. But with a 1.2 billion people, information is not going to spread as fast and wide as we would like - especially with the type of media we have.

I am sure, if one can sit with an aam admi and explain revenues and taxes, he will definitely understand. Every household has the concept of revenues and expenses, so it is an easy concept to understand. But the trouble is extending that concept to the government level. Populist measures gladdens the hearts because it is easy to understand. One gets in-expensive power, water or food and one is immediately happy. For example, JJ has this Amma Unnavagam and other subsidies going on. It is fine and people enjoy it, but where does she get the money from? The rumor is from the proceeds of selling liquor from government controlled outlets. So TN is fast becoming a drunkard state. Now who will explain this to the people? How will they make informative decision?

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 01 Jan 2014 03:14

SwamyG wrote:I am sure, if one can sit with an aam admi and explain revenues and taxes, he will definitely understand. Every household has the concept of revenues and expenses, so it is an easy concept to understand. But the trouble is extending that concept to the government level. Populist measures gladdens the hearts because it is easy to understand. One gets in-expensive power, water or food and one is immediately happy. For example, JJ has this Amma Unnavagam and other subsidies going on. It is fine and people enjoy it, but where does she get the money from? The rumor is from the proceeds of selling liquor from government controlled outlets. So TN is fast becoming a drunkard state. Now who will explain this to the people? How will they make informative decision?

Sir, you really think so?? I challenge you to debate with any of the pAAPis on here... One reply saying "you are right"/"i agree" (or anything equivalent) is all you need to get out of them.

See the first part of your post was accurate "elections are won by emotions..".. that actually contradicts the bolded text which is why i know you cant convince them otherwise

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 01 Jan 2014 03:38

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mike-ghou ... 77079.html

Another article

MUSLIM DILEMMA

The Indian Muslims are sick of the blame and the ugly comments hurled at them about India's partition, attacks of Ghazni on Somnath or the cruelties and Massacres of Aurangzeb. Many a parents teach their children to hate, and build biases against Muslims. It is not good for any one.

In 1947, a few men in the heat of communal frenzy decided the fate of nearly 350 Million Indians, including 80 Million Muslims that resulted in partition of the nation. The Muslim masses were not even consulted about the division and those few decided what was good for them.

The Muslims of independent India are not responsible for the Partition, attacks of Ghazni or cruelty of Aurangzeb, just as the present day Hindus are not responsible for the past cruelties towards untouchables and burning of widows. This must be clearly understood and taught to bring Mukti (freedom) to both Hindus and Muslims from the bondage of the past.

We are all in this together, and see things differently. We need to allow diversity of thought for a comprehensive understanding of the issue from a justice point of view, as well as long term cohesion in the society.

What good is the prosperity if people continue to live in fear? Both the ones who frighten and the frightened ones will lose out in the long haul.

Moving Forward

Muslims and Christians experienced the blatant injustice by the state under the guardianship of Chief Minister Narendra Modi. We, the people of India in general, and Gujarat in particular have a choice to do nothing, or start the process of finding sustainable solutions.

Hindus, Muslims, Dalits, Sikhs, Christians, Jains, Buddhists and others have an equal interest in building a cohesive India where no Indian has to live in apprehension or fear of the fellow Indian, and together achieve the prosperity for all. Prosperity without peace is bound to be lost, why exercise then?

We have a moral obligation to the people who lost their lives, livelihood, and homes and who continue to suffer. We need to bring a closure.

LakshO · Post by **LakshO** » 01 Jan 2014 05:21

Narayana Rao wrote:Just now seen seen a bollywood Muslim hero, I don't know his name but he acted in chanikya tv serial as senapathi Bhadrashal, praising khajri. Left and jihadists forces plan to weaken modi wave by all this rubbish.

Entire tv is khejri full filling his free water promise 50% power bill reduction. So serious forces are in active play.

That would be Irfan Khan.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 01 Jan 2014 06:20

ramana wrote:Congress will now bring in Nilekani as the PM dropping MMS.

Outsourcing PM job to Infosys warriors.
Has multiple angles: modern, ITVTY, UUID, and US H1B visa anathema etc....

It Will AAPify Congress.

Urban voters will associate corrupfion with MMS.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 01 Jan 2014 06:50

Shonu wrote: Sir, you really think so?? I challenge you to debate with any of the pAAPis on here... One reply saying "you are right"/"i agree" (or anything equivalent) is all you need to get out of them.

See the first part of your post was accurate "elections are won by emotions..".. that actually contradicts the bolded text which is why i know you cant convince them otherwise

Aam Admi as in common man. Fathers and mothers, uncles and aunts who keep the routine accounts of a family life. Be it rural or urban population, when an individual emerges into youth - they see unfairness and inequality everywhere. Little do they realize it is the law of nature. We are not created equal, only a civilized society attempts to create a degree of equality between individuals. Their notion of an ideal society drives them towards radical solution. Sometimes the ideas are simple and unsustainable. These people are not fools, morons or evil - but people who have been conditioned by their exposure to Life. Every individual tries to make sense of their life and others, and arrives at solutions.

Emotions are always at play. All of us are emotional, we want the India (or the country of origin) to do better. We want India to be strong and a prosperous nation where the common man has opportunities to engage in a productive and peaceful life arriving at their own happiness with a set of values/culture. Several of us think Modi is the man, several think AAP could be a solution. As days go by, people in Rahul's camp are dwindling. Muslims who have been the victim of Congress gimmicks/appeasement have lost as much as the Hindus under the Congress regime. The marginalised section have paid the price with no development leading to Missionaries stepping in for conversion and Maoists stepping in to terrorize the society. Ultimately, all of us are emotional - we are interested in surviving with the values we inherited from our parents/ancestors.

Congress and AAP have managed to paint an ==== with BJP. Some of the BJP politicians are themselves to blame for the situation. Yet, BJP should not lose an opportunity to convert a Congress/AAP supporter for the benefit of India. Sure, there are morons in all parties, and time is wasted in trying to educate them. However, attempts have to be made and we cannot be dismissive of them. They have as much stake in the future as any Modi/BJP supporter.

I am saying we should bang our head at least couple of times before giving up

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 01 Jan 2014 08:12

Veerabhadra Singh in HP in fresh corruption and summoned to meet mafia queen. Interesting situation wherein pappu need ask for CM head thereby confirmation of corruption or face the music of all talk from back-end but no action.