Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

[svinayak]

- India's Future: Rising Power or Mounting Peril?

[sum]

Pathetic MMS:

LIVE! Dr Singh: It will be disastrous for the country to have Narendra Modi as PM : PM on comparisons between Rahul and Modi

"I have full confidence that the next PM will from the UPA. Won't discuss the match between Rahul Gandhi and Narendra Modi. But it will be disastrous for the country to have Narendra Modi as PM.

"If being a strong leader and a measure of strength is that you preside over the massacre of people in Ahmedabad, I don't want to be that kind of strong leader. "

Ack thoo on such a spineless PM who just vents on his opponents but not on enemies of India

[vishvak]

Wow all RG has to do is defeat NaMo. That is all to him. There are numerous CMs in India with better record than RG but con race has to just talk about RG is better than NaMo!

[svenkat]

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/rahulgandhitakingthelead/live-manmohan-opts-out-of-2014-race-says-narendra-modi-will-be-disaster-as-pm/article1-1168789.aspx

He said Rahul has outstanding credentials to be the PM candidate

What this man says has no value whatsover,as far as Indian politics goes.

[krishnan]

he has gone mental

[Arjun]

Well, MMS is a nutcase who destroyed his own legacy within a span of 10 years !! If he had not been servile enough to occupy the PM post as proxy for the Gandhi family - history would have continued to remember him as the original saviour of India from economic diisaster in the early nineties. For sure, nobody is likely to remember him in that light ever again ....his words carry zero credibility within India or outside.

[Karan M]

he was always like this, now everyone knows the reality. wonder where all the MMS bhakts are, they would get outraged if anyone was upset at him.

BTW he again said he wants to visit Pak, and only by cooperating can poverty etc be solved. he is a complete south asia type guy whom the likes of cohen like.

[kapilrdave]

MMS is doing a great service to NaMo by reinstating the normalcy in media i.e. Modi Vs. Pappu

[krishnan]

there is word in twitter that he actually said RG is a good prez candidate

[kapilrdave]

Thanks for clearing that up and I understand that RSS and its members are quite independent of politics. But I have an hard time imagining why would an RSS guy skip BJP and vote for somebody like Kejriwal. Admittedly my experience comes from friends who are/were RSS members who are hardcore supporters of BJP. So I understand that RSS is like any other group, it takes all sorts.
My point is then apart from BJP members, are there any core group that can be counted on to vote for Modi/BJP in the coming elections.

kapildave, Did your guest give the real reasons for the RSS types voting for AAP? Was it because they thought AAP was best option to get Congress out of Delhi as BJP in delhi appeared not viable with its infighting and crony candidates?

The main reason for swayamsevaks voting for AAP was that they liked farji craziwal (nice name ) showing some spine to mighty dark lords. They didn't fall for his freebies neither they believed that he will root out the corruption overnight. It is noteworthy that Anna's movement was massively supported by RSS cadre. So naturally many of them had soft corner for craziwal. It is all about sentiments. But at the same time they are hard core NaMo supporters. And also, they are realizing the grave mistake they made (after seeing HV losing narrowly) and kicking themselves. BTW it is not so very unusual for swayamsevaks to vote to other parties. I know some VHP cadres in GJ who vote anyone who can beat bjp. They have their own reason that I don't want to discuss here.

Seen some of his comments on godhra/gujratn on TV. Very very malsi onlee. atheist is the usual cover for such agenda driven folks

OT: Irfan Khan is one highly overrated actor.

[krishnan]

[kapilrdave]

Forget Sanjay Jha, MMS is the biggest sycophant of mai-baap.

[sum]

** CT hat on :

^^ Chanakian MMS only seems to have brought NaMo into the limelight and his laughable comments would only help NaMo even more!! Surely he would have known that.
Wonder if this was a backhanded attempt at ensuring further erosion of G-khandaan by making over the top comments on RG ( which would definitely invite ridicule from everyone) and crazy sentences on NaMo ( which would get more sympathy for NaMo)

[NikhilB]

MMS is doing a great service to NaMo by reinstating the normalcy in media i.e. Modi Vs. Pappu

exactly. And I remember one quote on BR here and that MMS is really a big time patriot. He is not resigning, and he is presiding one of the worst govts ever, and he is taking all blame and he is pushing pappu even though all know that he is useless. Whatever MMS was doing, not doing, and is doing is actually helping NaMo ! MMS is NaMo agent !

[member_20292]

Vishwas looks like is in charge of the AAP go-national drive. says honest bureaucrats and regional leaders will be recruited. I guess a signal to mayus congis to jump ship.

he looks like a silicon valley startup guru speaking at a industry conf with some revolutionary product and go-to-market plan.

seen him in person. He is a yuppies demagogue. Knows whats cool and where the words are at.

[kmkraoind]

BJP plans to abolish Income Tax

At a meeting here on Thursday to finalise its blueprint for major structural changes in the taxation regime, the party leaders agreed to do away with Income Tax and Service Tax. The decision would form part of the BJP’s Vision Document-2025, which is under preparation and is scheduled to be released before the Lok Sabha elections.
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The BJP leaders claim once this is done, petrol and diesel prices in India would come down drastically. “The Vision Document committee felt that petroleum products were highly taxed in India and there was a need to rationalise this. There was a possibility that we could bring petrol prices in India in the range of Rs 40-50 per litre,” senior leaders claimed.
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There were certain apprehensions in the BJP camp about the “financial impact” of abolishing these taxes, but a consensus has been arrived at that it could be minimized by taking steps that would not pinch the aam aadmi much.

Party leaders feel a certain amount of the total loss on account of abolishing these taxes could be recovered through banking transaction taxes and a radical reform in the taxation regime. They feel, this step alone could mop up nearly Rs 40,000-crore.

The vision document of the party would suggest reforms in revenue collection methods by plugging leakages. It would also suggest more collection under heads like excise taxes.

The party is also mulling a series of reforms, if voted to power, in revenue collection and management of natural resources to mop up additional funds.

[Supratik]

crazy idea

[member_20317]

I get the feeling that 2014-15 is not just about Modi. in all likelihood, we will get a glimpse of the direction in which BJP is headed.

elimination of Lal-Bal-Pal and consolidation of MKG's coterie in INC was the signal of INC's direction in the last century.

BJP is already at the fork in the road.

tipping point is here.

Atri ji, what is your view on this?

Actually all history gurus who are forever on lurk mode in the elections thread could share and build up a 'Recent History' project. A project where work can be shared regionwise or timewise after 47 till date. I as a running dog of the PIF would be happy to bombard people around me with it and have them read it.

The kind of foundationless arguments 'give this/that/etc. a chance' shows that people cannot connect with their own dharmic history. The need to make people understand qualification/paatrata/earning your chance is a long term project. In the short term we need to rely on something that already lies within all people - A sense of balance and a sense of memory. Only these inherent qualities can be used to manage in the short run the understanding of the people. This however will require a short history lesson. Recent history only. For example during my looking around I found that AK was the ‘managed opposition / opinion manager’ to the unbundling of utilities. Not that I mind it – in a poor country even this much is good. But this ‘weak opposition’ business is merely ‘good’ and ‘good’ at times may not even be enough while at the same time being in direct opposition to the ‘better’. I mean this subsidy business to me looks like a back door metering without any improvement in utilities. Ending up in a compromise is one thing, planning to stay stuck there for good, is quite another. Had we had this information in 2011 we would have steered clear of the whole Lokpal business and this situation of having one city-dweller pulling down the work of another could have been avoided.

[Vikas]

Why try to hide MMS in the cocoon of Deshbhakta and ABV-Chela. He is a old dynasty and America bhakta who has presided over the most corrupt gov in India and is still not letting go of the throne. And we thought Deve-Gowda is power hungry.
How is this man any better from IKG.
What was the need to talk about NaMo when he has been given clean chit ? Why not also talk about RG who presided over the worst riots in Delhi. How was he fit to be a PM.
Such nonsense is not going to get him any brownie points other than some more pages of scorn. There is no deshbhakta rib in this mans chest (Who still wants to visit Pakistan and share joint future with them).

[bhargava]

Courtesy rediff live

Buzz is that Team Anna members will join the BJP on January 14. They include, Kiran Bedi, Akhil Gogoi, Avinash Dharmadhikari, Shivendra Chauhan, General VK Singh and Justice Santosh Hegde.

Watch this space

[RajeshA]

BJP plans to abolish Income Tax

At a meeting here on Thursday to finalise its blueprint for major structural changes in the taxation regime, the party leaders agreed to do away with Income Tax and Service Tax. The decision would form part of the BJP’s Vision Document-2025, which is under preparation and is scheduled to be released before the Lok Sabha elections.
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The BJP leaders claim once this is done, petrol and diesel prices in India would come down drastically. “The Vision Document committee felt that petroleum products were highly taxed in India and there was a need to rationalise this. There was a possibility that we could bring petrol prices in India in the range of Rs 40-50 per litre,” senior leaders claimed.
.....
There were certain apprehensions in the BJP camp about the “financial impact” of abolishing these taxes, but a consensus has been arrived at that it could be minimized by taking steps that would not pinch the aam aadmi much.

Party leaders feel a certain amount of the total loss on account of abolishing these taxes could be recovered through banking transaction taxes and a radical reform in the taxation regime. They feel, this step alone could mop up nearly Rs 40,000-crore.

The vision document of the party would suggest reforms in revenue collection methods by plugging leakages. It would also suggest more collection under heads like excise taxes.

The party is also mulling a series of reforms, if voted to power, in revenue collection and management of natural resources to mop up additional funds.

Income Tax should not be abolished, but people should not have to pay tax for the income they earn from work, that is for all work where they do not contribute anything material to the service provided, just their intelligence, skills, physical prowess and looks.

Work should never be punished.

[Atri]

Chilling....US does not want Modi as the PM. Read it all you suckers who think democracy is where people vote on issues and the best wins. Entering lungi shivering and knee jerking mode onlee.

http://www.indiafacts.co.in/stopping-mo ... wjHbA.dpbs

I get the feeling that 2014-15 is not just about Modi. in all likelihood, we will get a glimpse of the direction in which BJP is headed.

elimination of Lal-Bal-Pal and consolidation of MKG's coterie in INC was the signal of INC's direction in the last century.

BJP is already at the fork in the road.

tipping point is here.

Atri ji, what is your view on this?

chk the new ramana ji's thread and the ongoing imperium series on blog.

I have been repeating this all along for few years now on BRF - Panipat moment, Tripurantaka moment, indrashakti and all sorts of creative names to gain traction. glad, gautam sen is beginning to speak this.

On imperium series, I have chronicled two great posts of vilayat for the sake of continuity.

to quote devaguru - any moment which forces people to take sides, is a good moment and must be cherished. panipat/tripurantaka/indrashakti are all such moents when people will be forced to take sides, choose between dharma and adharma...

too late for evasive maneuver that I was suggesting year ago. Now, bhau's huzurat cavalry has to charge and break the center of abdali, no way back.

two points have to be hammered on public mind

1. anti-BJP is pro-Congress vote - no matter what one says..
2. Indrashakti is coming and strong leader is needed - indra shakti is economic collapse + jihad 3.0 + china's expansionism - All three together - these will hit desh from 2015-2020... people should be made aware of what awaits them, in spite of namo at helm..

[RajeshA]

two points have to be hammered on public mind

1. anti-BJP is pro-Congress vote - no matter what one says..
2. Indrashakti is coming and strong leader is needed - indra shakti is economic collapse + jihad 3.0 + china's expansionism - All three together - these will hit desh from 2015-2020... people should be made aware of what awaits them, in spite of namo at helm..

Very good points!

[RajeshA]

With B.S. Yeddyurappa being admitted back into BJP means only one thing - "D4" are on the back foot.

This only means Narendra Modi and Rajnath Singh now have full control over the party. Ananth Kumar has meekly hidden his tail between the legs and invited BSY back. Arun Jaitley is being used well to attack AAP and Virbhadra Singh. Venkaiah Naidu is working for NaMo and trying to rehabilitate himself.

LK Advani is adjusting to his new role as the behind the scenes guide. Sushma Swaraj does not really know what hit her.

This means it would be now much easier for NaMo to forge alliances - INLD, TDP, etc. MH and JH still problematic.

[gakakkad]

>> Ending up in a compromise is one thing, planning to stay stuck there for good, is quite another. Had we had this information in 2011 we would have steered clear of the whole Lokpal business and this situation of having one city-dweller pulling down the work of another could have been avoided.


many people knew this,even back then. Swamy exposed the bunch of commies and maoist they are ,even back then..

[bhargava]

Interesting!!


Highlights:
* Guj govt incentivising textile industry massively by giving subsidy in electricity bills and exemption from VAT
* Guj traders buying cottton like there is no tomorrow from Hyderabda-Karnataka region ( traditionally strong in cotton )
* Rates which were hovering around 4K Rs Per Qunital have seen an increase of 1K Rs per Quintal. Farmers are going ga ga . Rates are expected to touch 6K per Quintal if the trend continues.
* Guj traders apparently go directly to the fields ( with weighing machines ) and buying off by paying cash.
* Downside: local traders massively pissed, Upside: Farmers are soopar happy

[svenkat]

I have one question:As of today,North Indian upper castes are more dynamic than all others in education,enterpreneurship,business,media.Will these create a reaction in other states or dissappointment among North Indian BJP core supporters when BJP runs into protectionist reaction in other states.

For instance in above report posted by bhargavaji,local traders are losing.In both KA and MH,there is the feeling that outsiders take locals for a ride for the 'fault' of being aligned to Hindu nationalism which is a legacy of Vijayanagara/Maratha Empire.

The regional parties/Congress protect local interests.Cong,the original Hindu nationalist party had to do many compromises/back door dealings when they took over power in 1947 when they realised caste/language identities are much more primeveal than the recently minted Indian political identity.And its these caste/language identities that were the pillars of Hindu society over centuries.

The Delhi elite have very good relations with the durbars in Madras,Hyderabad,Punjab(Barnala clan,Badal clan),MH,Assam,Odisha,Cashmere.In MB,most of the kshatrapas were aligned with kauravas.The Pandavas could win only because Sri Krishna was with Pandavas.

Whats the big idea now that Modi is going to promote.In MB,one had Nara-Narayana duo.Clearly Modibhai is NOT Narayana.Whats the big theme that will appeal to mango abduls to give up their '33 crore devatas' or atleast allow the Narayana 'principle' to operate with the 'anya devata-s'.//

Rant off my chest.

[pankajs]

Cross-post
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AAP backs Manmohan Singh, says Modi will be dangerous as PM

New Delhi: The Aam Aadmi Party on Friday backed Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's remarks on BJP prime ministerial candidate and Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi saying he will be disastrous as the prime minister.

AAP leader Prashant Bhushan said, "I agree with him on one thing that Narendra Modi will be extremely dangerous for this country. Apart from being communal and a fascist, he has shown that he is equally corrupt as the Congress and these mainstream political parties."

[prahaar]

I have one question:As of today,North Indian upper castes are more dynamic than all others in education,enterpreneurship,business,media.Will these create a reaction in other states or dissappointment among North Indian BJP core supporters when BJP runs into protectionist reaction in other states.

For instance in above report posted by bhargavaji,local traders are losing.In both KA and MH,there is the feeling that outsiders take locals for a ride for the 'fault' of being aligned to Hindu nationalism which is a legacy of Vijayanagara/Maratha Empire.

The regional parties/Congress protect local interests.Cong,the original Hindu nationalist party had to do many compromises/back door dealings when they took over power in 1947 when they realised caste/language identities are much more primeveal than the recently minted Indian political identity.And its these caste/language identities that were the pillars of Hindu society over centuries.

The Delhi elite have very good relations with the durbars in Madras,Hyderabad,Punjab(Barnala clan,Badal clan),MH,Assam,Odisha,Cashmere.In MB,most of the kshatrapas were aligned with kauravas.The Pandavas could win only because Sri Krishna was with Pandavas.

Whats the big idea now that Modi is going to promote.In MB,one had Nara-Narayana duo.Clearly Modibhai is NOT Narayana.Whats the big theme that will appeal to mango abduls to give up their '33 crore devatas' or atleast allow the Narayana 'principle' to operate with the 'anya devata-s'.//

Rant off my chest.

SVenkatji, very difficult problem to solve, as you rightly observe (I was actually expecting a post on the same lines from you after reading the cotton purchase post, honestly). I could not understand what is the Hindu nationalism alignment in the above case? The region has all non-BJP sarkaars.

[Singha]

so the hyenas speak up in support of Scar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGBREaHwgvA

[Atri]

In MB,most of the kshatrapas were aligned with kauravas.The Pandavas could win only because Sri Krishna was with Pandavas.

Whats the big idea now that Modi is going to promote.In MB,one had Nara-Narayana duo.Clearly Modibhai is NOT Narayana.Whats the big theme that will appeal to mango abduls to give up their '33 crore devatas' or atleast allow the Narayana 'principle' to operate with the 'anya devata-s'.//

Rant off my chest.

Pandavas won because of the might of Paanchaala (Modern UP). Panchalas and Matsyas (Rajasthan) stood behind Pandavas with all their might. This might coupled with destructive power of Bhimsena and other Pandavas and timely advice of Krishna, helped dharma.

[Arjun]

Cross-post
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AAP backs Manmohan Singh, says Modi will be dangerous as PM

New Delhi: The Aam Aadmi Party on Friday backed Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's remarks on BJP prime ministerial candidate and Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi saying he will be disastrous as the prime minister.

AAP leader Prashant Bhushan said, "I agree with him on one thing that Narendra Modi will be extremely dangerous for this country. Apart from being communal and a fascist, he has shown that he is equally corrupt as the Congress and these mainstream political parties."

Prashant Bhushan just prepared the obituary for his party with that statement !! AAP is not going to anywhere these retards leading the show...

[vishvak]

two points have to be hammered on public mind

1. anti-BJP is pro-Congress vote - no matter what one says..
2. Indrashakti is coming and strong leader is needed - indra shakti is economic collapse + jihad 3.0 + china's expansionism - All three together - these will hit desh from 2015-2020... people should be made aware of what awaits them, in spite of namo at helm..

Very good points!

Jihad 3.0 = post USA withdrawal from Afghanistan with hordes attacking LoC? Or is it jihad in Ganga valley for Mughlistan. Got to have clear picture to deal with it.

Plus how con race regime ignored strategic gaps in preparation e.g. ammunition for artillery, gun and ammo purchase, procurement issues, etc.

About economic collapse: no steps taken to buffer the economy, lack of clarity and spending previous resources to tank the economy.

Chinese expansionism: steps taken to nullify Chinese threat, preparation over decades to defend IOR, free access to cheap Chinese goods leading to FDI imbalance in Chinese favour, nullifying and clarifying indirect threats that Chinese pose by international economic policies & pakis etc.

Got to expose lack of resolve in dealing with strategic issues and individuals who let strategic gaps continue.

[svenkat]

prahaarji,
I will answer you later.
Atriji,
What are the prospects of BJP in present day UP?You have a pretty dim view of gangetic plains.If possible,pl do reply to the query I have posed in Anti-national forces thread.And was Paanchala not just the area aaround Delhi-East of Delhi-the Upper Gangetic Valley?

[krisna]

Kejriwal time was perfect. He had corruption scandals plaguing congis. He had NaMo effect who used it to the hilt to convince aam janta that congis was the wrong horse to back with his calls for #congressmukthBharath.
Disilliusionment was there for all Indians.
So people who were congress voters got the message but they hate BJP. hence were mighty glad when AK came on the scene. He came at the right moment to save the beleagured congis. IOW NaMo primed their aversion to congis but not enough to join/vote BJP.

MSM played a role
1) in magnifying the role of AK as a fearless anti corruoption crusader hiding his negatives and failures.
2) made BJP==Congis in all fields-- despite overwhelming evidence of BJP far far better than congis in almost all aspects.

D4 for whetever their contributions to the growth of BJP made the aam jaanta beleive BJP==Congis by thier non action or wrong action at various times.

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Many people say all this "CTs" are BS. This only occurs when something not to your liking happens--- many disbelieve that --
I only inform the folkss that this is like a game of chess- there are many peices - you employ all your peices including scarificng some to achive victory. All who fall become "martyrs". they rae never heard or relegated to history.

ex- congis and its supporters used various plans/tricks esp NGOs industry and jhollawallahs to discredit NaMo despite overwhelming evidence to contrary. They established various ways to entangle NaMo legally. Full weight was given to these NGOs including manipualtion of court judges. But NaMo has emerged stronger form all these.It is now continuing with snoopgate in the forlorn hope of entangling him again.
Simultaneoulsy other plans were to get blacklisted in USA and avrious other countries(poodles of uncle) which succeeded as usa was coopted to this as they saw merit in doing this to their benefit.
In the same way AK was another front to attack NaMo/BJP when corruption became public knowledge due to anti congi forces esp led by BJP.
currently this one has the best chance of success hence full weight behind AK/AAP despite outer wranglings in paidmedia for public consumption.

If AK fails there may be still plans whch may into play


some succeed some dont--

After explaining patiently some AAP supporters are beginning to see picture differently. Ask them to view from 1000 feet above ground or act like the king in a game of chess.

[geeth]

Very interested in knowing how cash transactions will be brought into the fold. Cash or Gold hoarders will increase and we'll likely see another wave of money distribution reducing.
How will they implement welfare schemes and eliminate middle-man corruption? That is more of my current concern. Just how will corruption be punished in this country? Elaborate on that, and half the troubles of this nation will be handled effectively

IMO the missing link is the announcement about about all high value notes, including 100 rupee notes. This they are delaying deliberately to catch all hoarders of back money offguard..or else they would convert all their notes to gold/land/foreign currency before next govt is formed. Replace notes with plastic cards which can "store" limited amount of cash for your day-to-day needs (like the octopus card in Hong Kong) and link it to your bank account/s. It should work seamlessly. Once the monies are flowing through banking channels, govt can control and collect the tax dues easily. Now, most of the revenues due to govt is not paid or pilfered.

[Suraj]

The tax vision document should be seen as just that - a vision document. A transaction tax based system has a couple of notable issues: a) the inability to track every transaction officially and b) it is regressive in nature in that transactions and consumption is a greater share of income for poorer families than for richer ones. Lower income tax rates implemented more easily, that increase the tax base, would be a more worthwhile immediate goal.

[SaiK]

abolishing income tax is a finer step, but should be compensated via sales tax, and duty etc.. for which no transactions can happen without bank.

they should start from RE sector.. no cash purchase of property - PERIOD.

sales tax must be collected ahead (at product supply chain distribution level) than at end-point sales... and the business establishements could file sales (distribution - bulk tax) at end of year returns.

imho, income tax abolishing and contemplating on fixing the RE, products and services loop holes, and more effectively correcting labour laws can bring about a revolution.

[geeth]

"no cash purchase of property" is still the rule of the land, if you did not know..It can be made effective, only if you remove"cash" from the market.

[geeth]

All these limits on tax rates can be implemented using software.. For eg., no tax cut till transactions reach a certain level. Another thing I woulk like to see implemented is that RBI should have direct control of all servers of all the banks.