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negi wrote:Well I can only speak about things as I see them in my company, our team was just 20 until Q1 2012 now we are 40 so that is pretty decent hiring rate.
Agreed. But is it that your company is looking for some specific skill sets? At least in my org, we are looking for pretty generalists (Java, Oracle etc. etc.), and even that we are finding it tough. Most of them have superficial knowledge. And yes the smart ones even in this, does land up in better paying companies.

BTW, a story I heard was that very many cases going through a Job Consultant seems to be a better option. Because of the supposedly HR-Job Consultancy nexus. What is you take on that? My question is for Marten as well :).
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Any news on this?

Its from 2011... and since then the "paranoir" has only proven true. Even more so than originally imagined!

Everything from the stock exchanges & banking to scientific & industrial information to state secrets to personal privacy is open to "data mining" & espionage by foreign entites without a secure national OS.

India is to develop its own operating system (OS) For Security
India is to develop its own proprietary operating system (OS) rather than use "bugged" Western systems.

The Indian government is still intent on developing its own operating system so it can own the source code and architecture rather than rely on Western technologies.

Dr V K Saraswat, scientific adviser to India's Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) said that the Indian OS is needed to protect India's economic framework. While we admire India's decision to write its own OS, the decision seems to be driven by paranoia about Western technology.

Saraswat said earlier this month that Western hardware and software are likely to be "bugged". By bugged, he doesn't mean that Windows is chock full of unsecure hackable exploits. Saraswat specifically thinks that our technology is bugged so we can spy on India.

"Unfortunately even today we import most of these items. They are coming from various countries. So there is possibility that these hardware parts are already bugged," said Saraswat.

"So we have started doing design and development of our own hardware. We are trying to build it in our own country," he said.


"Second part is software. Most of us use commercial software available in the country. We have got Windows and some use Linux. These software packages are likely to be bugged."


Aside from overseeing development of the OS, Saraswat's main role is looking after India's missile defence system, so paranoia and security are second nature. At the time Saraswat made the OS announcement, The INQUIRER reported that the Indian government had been leaning on RIM so it could access communications on Blackberry smartphones.

The concerns about Western expansionism and spying are clear. But lumping open source technology with closed source software systems is surprising, given the popularity of open source projects in India.

In 2008 free software founder, Richard Stallman popped over to India to see a new Indian open source operating system called E-Swecha being rolled out in educational faculties. The project was overseen by the Free Software Foundation of India, but Stallman said the government wasn't chipping in.

India also has another, bigger open source OS that it built up from Debian Linux. This year, the Centre for Development of Advanced Computing developed Bharat Operating System Solutions (BOSS), a GNU/Linux distribution with advanced server features.

Unfortunately, India didn't want to use BOSS as a foundation to roll out a nationwide government stamped OS. Instead, it's sticking to designing something from scratch with 50 scientists and IT specialists located in New Delhi and Bangalore spearheading a national effort to create the OS.

As we've said, we have nothing but respect for India's attempt to control its own technological destiny. But, if its products, specifically its OS, are developed out of a culture of paranoia and fear, then everything we have to offer gets tarred with the same brush.

The philosophies behind closed and open source software aren't even in the same postcode. Despite that, it seems that India is unwisely denying itself access to the benefits that open source technologies can provide.
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one has to assume even the open source and supposedly secure cryptography we read about like AES (supposedly invented by two belgian mathematicians) are compromised and have NSA mandated backdoors to crack them quickly. all the biggest security related cos are either american or israeli and nothing gets traction in market with these cos acting as the vehicle.

I wonder what cheen and russians are using. we should use that. these two have a vested interest in ensuring NSA trapdoors are not present in their secure circles.

a typical example - http://www.wired.com/opinion/2013/12/wh ... velations/
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one has to assume even the open source and supposedly secure cryptography we read about like AES (supposedly invented by two belgian mathematicians) are compromised and have NSA mandated backdoors to crack them quickly.
As long as you are above your adversaries (Cheen and nPakis) you will be fine! Security is totally based on the amount of computing power and human resources.

A totally separate O/S for defense forces makes sense.
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The far more dangerous adversaries these days are not military, they are economic.

A whole host of countries would like to turn india into an IMF enslaved African basket case by creating havoc through insider information & market manipulation.

This is the reason India urgently needs to form an Information Defence policy. Its that important.

A country this large cannot possibly not have its own operating system, routers, servers..etc conforming to some standard and make.

As an example, a whole lot of foreign companies are eager to sell technology to "manage" India's stock markets.

They'll manage it with all kinds of backdoors no doubt.
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Singha wrote: I wonder what cheen and russians are using. we should use that. these two have a vested interest in ensuring NSA trapdoors are not present in their secure circles.
I think both have developed their own encryption standards for example : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:GOST_standards

But after Snowden scandal : http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/j ... -nsa-leaks

We need not only our own OS but also our own hardware.. everything from CPUto network interface controller... everything.

*facepalm*: http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes ... mail-email

Till then we should do what russians are doing: typewriters.
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typewritters are good if physical security of volumes of files can be maintained. knowing the GOI level of physical security ... entire bunches of HDDs stolen from RAW office....
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Comments from folks who are in the industry?

Why I Have Become Pessimistic About Indian I.T.
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KJoishy wrote:Comments from folks who are in the industry?

Why I Have Become Pessimistic About Indian I.T.
Check the comments.
all kind of racist pieces are heaped on Indias.
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KJoishy wrote:Comments from folks who are in the industry?

Why I Have Become Pessimistic About Indian I.T.
This author is a well known blower of hot air but in this case I agree with his basic premise namely, get out of back office type work and get into products asap. The former is just not sustainable as it is competing on basis of low cost onlee and becoz of that is a race to the bottom.
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I disagree with the premise. Getting into the products space is easier these days due to the rising maturity of cloud computing, and almost infinite performance available from the cloud infrastructure players. As more functions move into the cloud, and are implemented using modular components, it opens up a so-far-inaccessible market, all without any visa issues.
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Singha wrote:typewritters are good if physical security of volumes of files can be maintained. knowing the GOI level of physical security ... entire bunches of HDDs stolen from RAW office....
True, physical security is crap.. but crappy security is still better than NSA simply sending data requests to Windows/iOS/OS X/Android etc and OS sending data to NSA.
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best thing is physically airwall computers away from internet.
firewalls are likely to have gaping holes.
this is probably what is already done for sensitive defence/nuclear development nodes.
but communications across the country between labs working on parts of the same thing is needed - I am not sure what is a soln to that other than dedicated fibers and not virtual circuits or leased lines going over public shared infra.
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Singha wrote:best thing is physically airwall computers away from internet.
firewalls are likely to have gaping holes.
this is probably what is already done for sensitive defence/nuclear development nodes.
but communications across the country between labs working on parts of the same thing is needed - I am not sure what is a soln to that other than dedicated fibers and not virtual circuits or leased lines going over public shared infra.
That is exactly what Bruce Schneier is doing.
www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/10/air_gaps.html

Schneier on Security
schneier.com | Oct 11th 2013
Air Gaps

Since I started working with Snowden's documents, I have been using a number of tools to try to stay secure from the NSA. The advice I shared included using Tor, preferring certain cryptography over others, and using public-domain encryption wherever possible.

I also recommended using an air gap, which physically isolates a computer or local network of computers from the Internet. (The name comes from the literal gap of air between the computer and the Internet; the word predates wireless networks.)

But this is more complicated than it sounds, and requires explanation.

Since we know that computers connected to the Internet are vulnerable to outside hacking, an air gap should protect against those attacks. There are a lot of systems that use -- or should use -- air gaps: classified military networks, nuclear power plant controls, medical equipment, avionics, and so on.

Osama Bin Laden used one. I hope human rights organizations in repressive countries are doing the same.

Air gaps might be conceptually simple, but they're hard to maintain in practice. The truth is that nobody wants a computer that never receives files from the Internet and never sends files out into the Internet. What they want is a computer that's not directly connected to the Internet, albeit with some secure way of moving files on and off.

But every time a file moves back or forth, there's the potential for attack.

And air gaps have been breached. Stuxnet was a US and Israeli military-grade piece of malware that attacked the Natanz nuclear plant in Iran. It successfully jumped the air gap and penetrated the Natanz network. Another piece of malware named agent.btz, probably Chinese in origin, successfully jumped the air gap protecting US military networks.

These attacks work by exploiting security vulnerabilities in the removable media used to transfer files on and off the air-gapped computers.

Since working with Snowden's NSA files, I have tried to maintain a single air-gapped computer. It turned out to be harder than I expected, and I have ten rules for anyone trying to do the same:

1. When you set up your computer, connect it to the Internet as little as possible. It's impossible to completely avoid connecting the computer to the Internet, but try to configure it all at once and as anonymously as possible. I purchased my computer off-the-shelf in a big box store, then went to a friend's network and downloaded everything I needed in a single session. (The ultra-paranoid way to do this is to buy two identical computers, configure one using the above method, upload the results to a cloud-based anti-virus checker, and transfer the results of that to the air gap machine using a one-way process.)

2. Install the minimum software set you need to do your job, and disable all operating system services that you won't need. The less software you install, the less an attacker has available to exploit. I downloaded and installed OpenOffice, a PDF reader, a text editor, TrueCrypt, and BleachBit. That's all. (No, I don't have any inside knowledge about TrueCrypt, and there's a lot about it that makes me suspicious. But for Windows full-disk encryption it's that, Microsoft's BitLocker, or Symantec's PGPDisk -- and I am more worried about large US corporations being pressured by the NSA than I am about TrueCrypt.)

3. Once you have your computer configured, never directly connect it to the Internet again. Consider physically disabling the wireless capability, so it doesn't get turned on by accident.

4. If you need to install new software, download it anonymously from a random network, put it on some removable media, and then manually transfer it to the air-gapped computer. This is by no means perfect, but it's an attempt to make it harder for the attacker to target your computer.

5. Turn off all autorun features. This should be standard practice for all the computers you own, but it's especially important for an air-gapped computer. Agent.btz used autorun to infect US military computers.

6. Minimize the amount of executable code you move onto the air-gapped computer. Text files are best. Microsoft Office files and PDFs are more dangerous, since they might have embedded macros. Turn off all macro capabilities you can on the air-gapped computer. Don't worry too much about patching your system; in general, the risk of the executable code is worse than the risk of not having your patches up to date. You're not on the Internet, after all.

7. Only use trusted media to move files on and off air-gapped computers. A USB stick you purchase from a store is safer than one given to you by someone you don't know -- or one you find in a parking lot.

8. For file transfer, a writable optical disk (CD or DVD) is safer than a USB stick. Malware can silently write data to a USB stick, but it can't spin the CD-R up to 1000 rpm without your noticing. This means that the malware can only write to the disk when you write to the disk. You can also verify how much data has been written to the CD by physically checking the back of it. If you've only written one file, but it looks like three-quarters of the CD was burned, you have a problem. Note: the first company to market a USB stick with a light that indicates a write operation -- not read or write; I've got one of those -- wins a prize.

9. When moving files on and off your air-gapped computer, use the absolute smallest storage device you can. And fill up the entire device with random files. If an air-gapped computer is compromised, the malware is going to try to sneak data off it using that media. While malware can easily hide stolen files from you, it can't break the laws of physics. So if you use a tiny transfer device, it can only steal a very small amount of data at a time. If you use a large device, it can take that much more. Business-card-sized mini-CDs can have capacity as low as 30 MB. I still see 1-GB USB sticks for sale.

10. Consider encrypting everything you move on and off the air-gapped computer. Sometimes you'll be moving public files and it won't matter, but sometimes you won't be, and it will. And if you're using optical media, those disks will be impossible to erase. Strong encryption solves these problems. And don't forget to encrypt the computer as well; whole-disk encryption is the best.

One thing I didn't do, although it's worth considering, is use a stateless operating system like Tails. You can configure Tails with a persistent volume to save your data, but no operating system changes are ever saved. Booting Tails from a read-only DVD -- you can keep your data on an encrypted USB stick -- is even more secure. Of course, this is not foolproof, but it greatly reduces the potential avenues for attack.

Yes, all this is advice for the paranoid. And it's probably impossible to enforce for any network more complicated than a single computer with a single user. But if you're thinking about setting up an air-gapped computer, you already believe that some very powerful attackers are after you personally. If you're going to use an air gap, use it properly.

Of course you can take things further. I have met people who have physically removed the camera, microphone, and wireless capability altogether. But that's too much paranoia for me right now.
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ultimately nothing is secure from org like NSA, except when you are really good at it
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Raja Bose wrote:
KJoishy wrote:Comments from folks who are in the industry?

Why I Have Become Pessimistic About Indian I.T.
This author is a well known blower of hot air but in this case I agree with his basic premise namely, get out of back office type work and get into products asap. The former is just not sustainable as it is competing on basis of low cost onlee and becoz of that is a race to the bottom.
Never heard of the author... but that;s what I have felt for a long time. Indian IT is mainly based on cost differentials and not on any sort of skill. "What you do, I can do cheaper so give me business". We don't have any global products like MS Office, Quicken or anything, we have a few local products like Tally. This is not a long term sustainable model. We Indians are generally risk averse, so that may be at play. Why invest billions into something that may fail when we can invest nothing and make millions?

A paradigm change maybe happening with the cost differentials diminishing and US companies feeling it is better to do work inhouse with easy interaction with people than have to deal with outsourcing companies with comparable rates and hassle.
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Microsoft is dead meat. There is no business left in OS and Word like utilities. Open source and Apple will eat the company margins by 2020. You can see why Microsoft is running haywire to diversify its business. They can still survive as smaller entity with diversified business and probably good acquisitions. Indian IT has not done much R&D and will pay price for it in future unless they go on shopping spree and acquire some companies working in cutting edge with good R&D in place.
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ashish raval wrote:Microsoft is dead meat. There is no business left in OS and Word like utilities. Open source and Apple will eat the company margins by 2020. You can see why Microsoft is running haywire to diversify its business. They can still survive as smaller entity with diversified business and probably good acquisitions. Indian IT has not done much R&D and will pay price for it in future unless they go on shopping spree and acquire some companies working in cutting edge with good R&D in place.
Not likely to happen anytime soon.
Transition from low cost services based business to product development and R&D is not a mere business decision. It also requires a cultural change.
Generations of 'managers' and 'software engineers' sustained by Indian IT majors will be misfits in this transition. Many of these will cling to their jobs someway or other.
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Any company which does not diversify will be dead meat - that is basic biziniss strategy of not putting all your eggs in one basket. Diversification and having multiple strong revenue streams is how dinosaurs like Mickey and Ah Be Yum have survived for so long while their fellow compatriots are long dead. Anybody even remember the vast horde of companies which competed in the late 70s-80s when Mickey was where Chacha is supposedly today? All perished! :mrgreen:
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SRoy wrote:
ashish raval wrote:Microsoft is dead meat. There is no business left in OS and Word like utilities. Open source and Apple will eat the company margins by 2020. You can see why Microsoft is running haywire to diversify its business. They can still survive as smaller entity with diversified business and probably good acquisitions. Indian IT has not done much R&D and will pay price for it in future unless they go on shopping spree and acquire some companies working in cutting edge with good R&D in place.
Not likely to happen anytime soon.
Transition from low cost services based business to product development and R&D is not a mere business decision. It also requires a cultural change.
Generations of 'managers' and 'software engineers' sustained by Indian IT majors will be misfits in this transition. Many of these will cling to their jobs someway or other.
Agree.
It takes a different mindset to get a product out. I scratch my head sometimes when otherwise smart programmers are clueless about basic customer/end user needs and go into designing stuff so complex that only geeks can figure out how to use. Like Mickey stuff. I don't see most infy/Tcs people fitting into this.
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Raja Bose wrote:............. basic premise namely, get out of back office type work and get into products asap. The former is just not sustainable as it is competing on basis of low cost onlee and becoz of that is a race to the bottom.
I have to agree with you here. From what I have seen over the last 12 years, the nature of the job at hand is going down the drain, year on year :). At my present org, it was once fully loaded with projects which developed products/new systems. The org actually came up with innovative ideas to develop good products with good quality at the right time. People I guess used their brains the maximum at this time. Then over the years it started picking up small time development projects, where the customer gave pretty much the entire "To Do" list and instructions. Some body had to just invent the logic and punch in the code. Brain usage went down a notch. Then came the "application maintenance and support", which was purely the back office type of work. The work was pretty much routine, and the fixes applied were quite routine. "Run Books" were introduced which made sure that even the lowest paid IT worker can get this work carried out. I feel the decline started from this point onwards. Many Indian IT-Vity Majors & Colonels started going for the cheapest available human raw material, fully knowing that the type of "software work" they have, this is more than sufficient. Using this, they managed to provide very attractive deals to the outside world. I know a project where the team's main job is to physically monitor cron & other scheduled jobs. If it stops, restart it. This is when the whole world have more beautiful alert mechanisms in place. And so here in the project you have "Software Engineers" monitoring jobs, and writing basic SQL queries. The sad part is that many of these new crop of "software engineers" don't realise that there is a life beyond this kind of mundane work.
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I am at loss to understand this play. On one hand they say we are not getting good people and on the other hand no one seems to be hiring except at the lowest possible level.
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VikasRaina wrote:I am at loss to understand this play. On one hand they say we are not getting good people and on the other hand no one seems to be hiring except at the lowest possible level.
Perhaps a salary revision is happening across the industry at all levels?? I mean all companies feel that people are getting paid more (whether they are good or bad people). And they perhaps know that at some point of time people would join them for a lesser pay (frustrated with existing job, too much loans, some income required etc. etc.)
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Country's largest software services firm Tata Consultancy Services (TCS) on Saturday said it will set up the world s largest corporate learning and development centre in Thiruvananthapuram with a total capacity to train 50,000 professionals every year.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh laid the foundation stone for the facility. The learning facility will be built over area of 6.1 million square feet and will have the capacity to train 15,000 professionals at one time and 50,000 professionals annually, TCS said in a statement.

Located on a 97-acre property in the Technopark area of the city, the campus will also have residential accommodation for professionals and faculty at the centre, it added. "TCS has been present in Thiruvananthapuram since 1997 and since then it has been the hub of our global learning and development efforts," TCS Chief Executive Officer and Managing Director N Chandrasekaran said.
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Marten wrote:
Sachin wrote:For our specific skills - did you mean the skills which me and you have, or did you mean some thing related to the skill set required in your organisation?
Just the two of us. :)

PS: Had a few rounds with a couple of orgs - and it seems dismal. The scales are also not worth discussion. To answer your question - it appears networking is the ONLY way to get thru to a decent position in a decent organization. Designations are completely BS these days from what I've seen. Most imp. questions for me: "How large is the team and how many projects/products do they work on simultaneously?" and "what's the grade structure and where do I fit in wrt to others with a similar profile?". HR doesn't like this - as I'm learning now. :)
Thanks man, will get in touch for info at the right time!
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We need to understand that the software land scape has now become more mature now. 20 years ago, the availability of software components was meagre. Every team had to build the same components from ground up. Now components are available in plenty - from infrastructure to user functions - are easily available. So the work of service companies have become that of component integration. And these components are also so customizable these days that they can be re-programmed using non-programming rules. So writing new code has come down significantly. These is the "automation" effect in software and similar to "automation" effect in manufacturing. I work in a small company with focus on network management and video. The biggest part of the company is now busy deploying a network management product and customizing it with scripts. The skills now need are PCRF specs and not JAVA.
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Singha wrote:Country's largest software services firm Tata Consultancy Services (TCS) on Saturday said it will set up the world s largest corporate learning and development centre in Thiruvananthapuram with a total capacity to train 50,000 professionals every year.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh laid the foundation stone for the facility. The learning facility will be built over area of 6.1 million square feet and will have the capacity to train 15,000 professionals at one time and 50,000 professionals annually, TCS said in a statement.

Located on a 97-acre property in the Technopark area of the city, the campus will also have residential accommodation for professionals and faculty at the centre, it added. "TCS has been present in Thiruvananthapuram since 1997 and since then it has been the hub of our global learning and development efforts," TCS Chief Executive Officer and Managing Director N Chandrasekaran said.
Big data team is in this location
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So what is the typical salary to be expected for a generalist IC? Some x amount per number of years of experience or just some random number?
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merlin wrote:So what is the typical salary to be expected for a generalist IC? Some x amount per number of years of experience or just some random number?
1 to 1.5 times the years of experience is what I generally hear. I a techie with 10 years exp. should get any where between 10 lakhs to 15 lakhs per annum.
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^^^Hain?? Then why were Eye Eye Tea BTech munnas gettting offered 18L - 20L/annum even back in 2010? Is that special pricing?
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Raja Bose wrote:^^^Hain?? Then why were Eye Eye Tea BTech munnas gettting offered 18L - 20L/annum even back in 2010? Is that special pricing?
Yeah. These could be special cases, or some specific companies which require very niche skill sets. I know cases when a two year experienced chap was offered around 9 lakhs, because he acquired a niche skill set in SAP Mobile domain.
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Sachin wrote:
merlin wrote:So what is the typical salary to be expected for a generalist IC? Some x amount per number of years of experience or just some random number?
1 to 1.5 times the years of experience is what I generally hear. I a techie with 10 years exp. should get any where between 10 lakhs to 15 lakhs per annum.
Hmm. I thought it would be higher. Anyway am getting paid below that multiplier :((
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^^ Atleast in semiconductor cos, 1.5-2X would be the median( for most MNC "product" co) and there is the recent strange phenomenon of few semico service cos paying 2.5-3X ( which is more than the salary of employees of the product co where they are being sent as contractors)
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Facebook now has a Little Eye in India!
How many start-ups can dream of such an exciting journey? Start today, and 18 months later, get taken over (reportedly for $ 15 million) by none other than Facebook?

But that is what has exactly happened with these 7 entrepreneurs, who started Little Eye Labs, a company that builds mobile app analysis tools for developers and testers.

“The deal was in the works for six months. We met them at a conference. They were interested in our product and eventually down the line things fell in place,” Kumar Rangarajan, chief ion – these entrepreneurs like to call themselves positively charged ions -- at Little Eye Labs, told Rediff.com about the deal.

While all the entrepreneurs are excited about the deal, and will be moving to Facebook’s Menlo park headquarters, Kumar maintains that that was not the company’s intention when they started from scratch in May 2012.
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Raja Bose wrote:^^^Hain?? Then why were Eye Eye Tea BTech munnas gettting offered 18L - 20L/annum even back in 2010? Is that special pricing?
Even this year, most of them would have got into 7.5 to 15 Lakh bracket. Employers in this bracket are not IT services, but mostly Indian and some MnC product dev company or eCommerce vendors and Sem industry, a handful get fancy numbers and overseas postings including Oil Rigs.
Speaking from practical experience of visiting 10+ IITs this year and barely managing 25 hirings - offering 12 Lakhs starting.. Last year was much much easier.
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How to become a freelancer IT Consultant in India ? Are there companies who play middle man's role for such profiles?
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VikasRaina wrote:How to become a freelancer IT Consultant in India ? Are there companies who play middle man's role for such profiles?
My org. regularly takes contractors. And they don't come in directly. They all come through contracting agencies *. From what I have seen these companies charge pretty high for the contractors, but don't know how much gets paid to these contractors. These folks only have a 15 day notice period.

* With rumours of recruitment team having a nexus with the contracting agency.
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In case, one has on some FOSS skills, it is useful to network online (forums, mailing lists) by participating in ongoing activities. Some amount of work also gets posted there.
Had experience of working on a 3-month contract with a local IT services company that was part of a large MNC (got acquired about a year before I joined). As it was a niche skill, this position was available to independent contractors. Regular skills are easy to find.
Another dimension that I was exposed to recently was the treatment of contract staff. A large MNC having India based development center hired people from a large size Indian MNC. Heard some grumbling from one of the hired person. It seems it was easier for him to work the manager sitting somewhere in the US as compared to the local manager. May be some local/personal angle to it though.
For a freelances, tt is better to work on projects from outside India as far as financial aspect is concerned.
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Sachin wrote:
VikasRaina wrote:How to become a freelancer IT Consultant in India ? Are there companies who play middle man's role for such profiles?
My org. regularly takes contractors. And they don't come in directly. They all come through contracting agencies *. From what I have seen these companies charge pretty high for the contractors, but don't know how much gets paid to these contractors. These folks only have a 15 day notice period.

* With rumours of recruitment team having a nexus with the contracting agency.
For permanent employees, HR companies charge one month's salary and if the employee leaves before six months, then the HR firm will find another but doe not charge for the one month salary. This was when churn was very high. Once a company is established, then it can directly give ads in the news papers but the problem is to separate grain from chaff. Resumes are heavily padded and interviews take the heck out of the interviewers. We usually have a pool of independent contractors on retainer basis along with of course permanent employees. But our company requirements are a little out of the ordinary. So we do most recruiting directly from IITs through professor recos. and/or people with experience.
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