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James B wrote:It seems NiKu's goose is cooked in Bihar

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May be he can then have his own stall on the street and sell goose biryani and skull caps. I only wonder when his government in Bihar is going to fall - before Lok Sabha elections or after?!
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RajeshA wrote:
James B wrote:It seems NiKu's goose is cooked in Bihar

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May be he can then have his own stall on the street and sell goose biryani and skull caps. I only wonder when his government in Bihar is going to fall - before Lok Sabha elections or after?!
Sir, look at it differently. He knew cong wud ditch him , still he screwed the alliance. Did some power inimical to india force him to do so and hence reduce nda tally.
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Book review:

http://www.dailypioneer.com/book-review ... tland.html
The political heartland
Sunday, 29 December 2013 | Tavishi Srivastava
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The book offers an insight into the socio-political fabric of Uttar Pradesh while highlighting the political psyche of the three Ps — people, parties, and politicians — writes Tavishi Srivastava

Battleground UP

Author: Manish Tiwari and Rajan Pandey

Publisher: Tranquebar, Rs 350

Politics in Uttar Pradesh seems to be spinning like a top. As soon as the Assembly polls got completed, all political parties pulled up the garters for the Lok Sabha elections.

Battleground UP: Politics in the Land of Ram, authored by Manish Tiwari and Rajan Pandey, offers an insight into the socio-political fabric of the State while highlighting the political psyche of the three Ps — people, parties, and politicians of the Hindi heartland.

The book sketches a vivid description of the mannerisms of each political party and its strategies of luring voters. It details the alternate succession to the Uttar Pradesh throne by the two regional parties — Bahujan Samaj Party (BSP) and Samajwadi Party (SP). Further, it also narrates the historic victory of the BSP in 2007 Assembly elections in which Mayawati could secure an overwhelming majority.

Both the SP and the BSP have a domineering presence in Uttar Pradesh that has pushed the two national parties — the BJP and the Congress — to the margins. The saffron surge during the Ram Mandir wave which had led to the BJP’s coronation has gradually waned over the years. Similarly, the Congress’s performance dipped to an all-time low after the party restricted its activities to its VIP pocket boroughs — Rae Bareli and Amethi.

Manish and Rajan set out to explore the political environs of the State. They make three eventful journeys across the expanses between March 27, 2011, and March 3, 2013, by train and bike, covering 15,000 km and spanning over 350 constituencies in 60 districts. They aptly describe, “The journeys helped us grasp regional differences as well social, cultural, political, ecological and historical legacies of the State... Some people thought we had been sent by Rahul Gandhi to assess the UP scenario, while others believed that we were emissaries of Nitin Gadkari who had sent us to make a survey for the suitable candidates for the Assembly polls.”

The book begins with the political rallies during the 2012 Assembly elections and highlights their significance as well as talks about how the SP took a lead defeating the BSP in the polls. The next chapter focuses on the reasons for the BSP’s defeat from the historic 220 seats to the present 80, and outlines the Dalit-Bahujan movement which had led to its emergence in the first place. The book also details how political rallies in India have been traditionally looked upon as the yardstick to determine the credibility of a party and popularity of a leader. The highlights of rallies by the BSP, BJP and Congress as well as the speeches delivered by the leaders present a picture of the tone and tenor of the respective parties.

The book outlines the SP’s bumpy road facing both success and failure down the years. Moreover, it also discusses the role of the party heavyweight Amar Singh, who was once favoured by SP chief Mulayam Singh Yadav only to be cold shouldered and eventually left out in the lurch. Mulayam’s son Akhilesh arose to power in the 2012 Assembly polls. It outlines how Congress was in a disarrayed state and Rahul Gandhi failed to stabilise it. Ironically, Mayawati’s Dalit-Bahujan agenda was changed to Sarva Samaj with the Brahmins occupying an important position.

A fresh insight discusses the reasons for the BSP’s defeat in the 2012 Assembly elections, primarily how the party’s hobnobbing with big businessmen cost it enough. Apparently, corruption multiplied as the State exchequer spent huge amounts on the construction of Mayawati’s statues and sprawling parks were set up. The National Rural Health Mission scam with gruesome killings of several Chief Medical Officers over money and politics, proved to be the final nail in the BSP’s coffin. The slogan during the 2012 Assembly elections reportedly said that the then BSP regime was dominated by three M’s — money, mafia and media.

The social engineering formula is interesting as it highlights the caste politics as well as the new variants of minority politics. Mohammed Azam Khan, who was looked upon as the saviour of Muslims post-Babri Masjid’s demolition in Ayodhya, developed proximity with Mulayam Singh. It is equally interesting to read the slogans used by each party to propagate its policies. Look at the BSP’s initial slogan of “Tilak, taraju aur talwar, inko maro joote char”, which got transformed over the years to “Haathi nahi ganesh hai, Brahma Vishnu Mahesh hai”. Today, the party has changed the slogan from Bahujan to Sarva Samaj. The caste factor brings an interesting understanding that people don’t cast their votes in Uttar Pradesh; rather, they vote for their caste!

Facets of different politicians, be it as a Dalit messiah or a firebrand OBC leader — from Mulayam to Mayawati to Uma Bharti — all have been discussed. Politicians with their own tryst with the law, such as Hari Shankar Tiwari, Amarmani Tripathi and Raghuraj Pratap Singh alias Raja Bhaiya have also been written about. With the 2014 Lok Sabha elections round the corner, surely the book will come in handy for politicians, journalists as well the young voters keen to have quick understanding of the politics of Uttar Pradesh.

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muraliravi wrote: So thats 92 seats without UP and AP. In UP if they can armtwist Maya with CBI running behind her and get her to agree to alliance and showcase her as future PM, she will be able to transfer her dalit votes to them in seats where congress contests, then the M+dalit combo will get them at least 15 seats.

In AP I am sure they will give Telangana statehood and get some 8 seats there. So that 115 for congress.

Now what they can do with 115, I am not sure
The problem for the kongis in T is that T-kongis are unable to win the confidence of people. Infact the whole drama was started by the kongis because they were in a weak position in T. They were in a relatively better position in coastal and seema regions. So to help the kongis in T, they brought out the division drama. The plan was to get seats on T sentiment in T region and divert seats to Gajan in seema and coastal region and later ally with him after polls. But, the plan seems to be not working... because
a) kongis are not able to capitalize despite the division drama. Thats why they are desperate and are coming up with weird ideas like temple for sonya...etc.(BTW, that Sonya statue was made in Coastal region :P and that Shanker guy is a known joker and token dalit to be paraded by the kongis as symbol of 'inclusive growth'. To his credit, he was the one who filed case against Gajan. Kongis used him and threw him out later to fend for himself against the ire of Gajan. Most of the T-kongis are similar jokers who can't win if their life depended on it.)
b) Gajan is also weakened and weakening by the day in coastal and seema regions while TDP is on the rise. Especially after CBN went to NaMo, TDP seems to have become confident on T.

And it seems to me that T-sentiment is being blown out of proportions and TRS will also become redundant in these elections. Because, regardless of whether separation happens or not, TRS purpose is over. If the separation happens, then TRS is not needed anymore. If the separation does not happen, then TRS has failed and people will move on. Either way, its the end of the road for TRS.

The mere fact that Diggy is the kongi face of division drama should discredit the whole thing.
ramana wrote:It looks like written by Shiela Bhatt in training!

Also note
But whatever the role she chooses, the Priyanka factor is now well within the Congress framework and the objective is to increase the Congress seats from 70, the figure shown in internal surveys, to at least 125, to give the party a respectable total with which to keep its presence relevant in the post-poll scenario.

Is this a DIEnasty conclusion that is the poll verdict?

muraliravi et al, Where are these 70 seats and the possible 55 seats?
Its 70 and going down rapidly. As soon as the vote banks of kongis realize the kongis are gone, they shift to some other viable alternative. Generally, most of the vote banks of kongis vote for them because they are seen as a viable winning brand. Now the same brand value is working against them.

As soon as the 4-0 poll results came, I knew that the kongis would blame the dynasty. Now, the dynasty PR is trying to project Biyanka as the savior while blaming the pappu(and MMS is already assumed to be a failure). They are trying to project that Biyanka is somehow so much better than her idiot bro. Its the same old rinse and repeat propagandu. This is aimed at the kongis and kongi voter banks to tell them not to desert the posts. If the kongi number goes below 90, the kongis party is over for good. And dynasty will leave the country for italia.

Also notice that Biyanka will not come into the public but will only work from behind. Why? Raabert! If it were not for Raabert, they would have anointed her as the PM candidate for sure.
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Sir, look at it differently. He knew cong wud ditch him , still he screwed the alliance. Did some power inimical to india force him to do so and hence reduce nda tally.
He went by Pappu's assurance. Pappu must have given him an offer that Lallu would be finished politically and Vihar would be left to Nitush. And if there is a third front, then there are also chances of being PM. Too tempting an offer to resist. And now, he is na ghar ka...

I guess he was told that once the Lallu is taken out of equation, the Yadhav votes would come to him. And the bakis and kongis can even transfer the 'secular' votes. That would make him the king of Vihar. Why depend on lotus, when you can become the king of Vihar, hain ji? And even aim for a PMship in third front.

They will give similar offers to Maya or even Jaya or Mamatha or maybe even Raj. Most of the others are too shrewd to come out openly and choose one way or the other. So, they will hedge their bets and try to simply maximize their seats and hitch up with winner post-polls.

It seems there was element of personal vanity in Nitush's actions instead of cold calculations. He was ready to let not just Modi die, but even several people of his own state die to get some political advantage. The big mistake of Nitush was that he did not read the anti-kongi mood of the dhesh in all these vile political machinations(which even involve the assassination of NaMo). It hit home only after 4-0 that kongis are really in for it this time. And Nitush is also in for it because he touched the kongis. Anyone who contacts the kongis even with a barge pole is really in for some nasty results by the people.

I think eventually, MNS will have some kind of pact with NaMo because NaMo is too much of a Hindhuthva icon for the MNS to go against. And if NaMo increases the Hindhuthva quotient in the last leg of election, MNS and SS would find it very hard to resist alliance with NaMo. BTW, raising Hindhuthva quotient may also work in UP and thwart AAP.

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There seems to be a pattern that whenever the 'seculars' get themselves in a corner, there is an attempt to divert the issue by the so-called hooliganism of someone apparently from the right. Whether its a falseflag or not, I don't know, but its strange. It happened in shomeless case. And it happened in this Traitor Bhushan issue. Its not even as if vigilante justice is served. No deterrent is created. It only serves to malign the right-wing with a willing radiamedia. BTW, radiamedia that focuses so much on Asaram(which is not at all relevant to the country), but refuses to have proper debates or programmes on people who support naxals, terrorists, secession,...etc? Is it because Asaram serves to malign the right-wing or Hindhus while talking about naxal sympathy or jihadhi sympathy would bring in to focus the left-wing?
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Globalisation is the main cause of corruption, according to the AAP. We should go back to the stone age. There was no corruption then. Only people smashing in each others' skulls with stone clubs. Hope this gets wide circulation among the yuppie crowd.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... aign=cppst
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^^^^I can't be an Atriji or Bji but I will provide a brief synopsis of what I think about this. Ideally this is something that either one of them or the stalwarts of the indian history thread should take up. For those who follow that thread the key takeaway is that we weren't completely islamized ever due to the nature of our polity which while lending itself to strong central rule also provided local resistance so that an invader had the unenviable task of breaking up local resistance in addition to removing the central authority. Globalization by itself can't lead to corruption. Basic economics teaches us that trade improves outcomes for everybody. However politicians often cut deals with assorted people while setting up projects both local and foreign. In that respect the ex-CS is being disingenuous when he blames globalization perse for local corruption. Having said that and in light of India's historical experiences local resistance is necessary to prevent a complete economic takeover of the country. However the ex-CS's prescription of mohalla sabhas is patently wrong in this count. Yes decisions will be decentralized but we will still need somebody to take care of the greater common good. That is missing in the mohalla sabha medicine. The solution to this may lie in creating competitive economic entities such as cooperatives and local banks at the local level rather than creating political entities that are patently anarchic and are easily subverted as they aren't economic stakeholders.
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If Kangress gets only 70 seats, the NAMO may break off 1/3rd chunk to strengthen himself and end Kangress for a longtime. Die-nasty once defeated may not revive under dumbo, princess and waitress.
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sum wrote:Is a revolt brewing in the Congress?

Usual RG angry, changing things while PG is the next best thing for India but what caught my eye:
Whatever role she chooses, the Priyanka factor is now well within the Congress framework and the objective is to increase the Congress seats from 70, the figure revealed by internal surveys, to at least 125, to give the party a respectable total with which to keep its presence relevant in the post-poll scenario.
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If the INC gets 125 seats all power to them. Invariably all of them will come from the AAPturds. INC can sit in opposition and the BJP govt can clean up the NGO sleeper cells that have come to the forefront of the fight this time.
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Bhargava: interesting you should mention the Dark Knight Rises analogy. I had posted a few tweets yesterday talking about the similarity between AAP and Gotham under Bane. Another example is the AAP's Lokpal Bill version, which is similar to this judge/jury/executioner scene in Dark Knight Rises

I am also reminded of the scene (cant find YouTube link) where CatWoman walks through an abandoned house, with stuff strewn around due to vandalism. She says "this was someone's house" and one of the anarchist/socialist comrades replies "now its everyone's house!". With Yogendra Yadav wanting to nationalize everything, we will soon be in that anarchy zone

AAP is so classic Animal Farm that its not even funny

Now, enjoy the Exile vs Death scene

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Delhi: A local businessman was penalised for rash driving after he "dangerously" swirled past the car of Robert Vadra, the son-in-law of Congress President Sonia Gandhi.
According to police sources, the incident took place in the jurisdiction of Amar Colony Police Station in South-East Delhi when Vadra was coming from Okhla in his car.
The businessman, Saurabh Rastogi, who is a resident of Pashchim Vihar area, was coming from Lajpat Nagar and was going to Moti Mills in his Maruti Ritz car.
Businessman fined for 'dangerously' overtaking Robert Vadra's car
Saurabh Rastogi was challaned under section 184 of the Motor Vehicle Act and allowed to leave.

"When Rastogi dangerously overtook Vadra's car. The security personnel traveling with Vadra informed traffic police who in turn alerted local police and the errant driver was intercepted," said a senior police official on condition of anonymity.
Rastogi was challaned under section 184 of the Motor Vehicle Act and allowed to leave.
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IndraD wrote:will CON+LALU do any magic in Bihar, which way is the wind blowing? acc to my resources BJP's chances are bright.
Congress and LaLu are both doomed in Bihar. How Rahui baba was treated there is known to everyone.
As far as LaLu is concerned, Bihar has realized that it has come a long way forward from the Lalu dark ages. No chance of going back.
I'm sure BJP would do well, followed closely by JD-U though.
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at many levels the two latest batman movies are masterpieces imo. another one is the The Comedian character in watchmen..truly what the US has become...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKjI9hAp ... E5&index=4
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Christian influence seems to have been strong on Kejriwal...An Uncommon Life
But the real turning point in his life was when he went to meet Mother Teresa at the Missionaries of Charity in Kolkata after resigning from Tata Steel in Jamshedpur. They wouldn't transfer him to their social work department since he'd been hired as an engineer. "Kolkata is very close to Jamshedpur. I'd heard of Mother Teresa, so I thought I'd go meet her. There was a long queue at the Missionaries of Charity. When my number came, Mother Teresa kissed my hand and I expressed my wish to work with her. It was a divine moment for me. She asked me to go and work at her Kalighat Ashram. I was there for two months," Kejriwal tells India Today
Kejriwal was raised as a religious child. Regular trips to church at school in Sonepat and Ghaziabad made a deep impact on him.
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^^^^ If somebody time travelled from 1914 to now he would be mistaken for reading the above as an eulogy to Gandhi. Aaah the similarities. Somebody needs to also do a pisko analysis as to why is it the case that the Bania community turns out this kind of mega Quisling figures. In the middle ages they were the most vociferous Hindu defenders and even took matters in their own hands(think Hemu). However since the time of Siraj-ud-daulah (think Jagat Seth) this community's behaviour has been inscrutable.
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The AAP phenomenon is real in the sense it has captured the Indian voters imagination. It would be foolhardy to dismissit. In my office ( outside India but with a huge nri population from all over desh) people are very impressed. Those who supported bjp a month ago are all gaga over AAP. In the transport I take to office 80% are for Aap. Even discounting the media bias the effects seem to be huge.
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ShankarCag wrote:Somebody needs to also do a pisko analysis as to why is it the case that the Bania community turns out this kind of mega Quisling figures.
Don't know whether you are referring to the Bania caste in particular, or entrepreneurial communities in general. But I would anyday place faith in the more entrepreneurial communities and regions of India to both (a) stick to Hindu traditions and customs and (b) to vote BJP. More so than the communities and regions that are more inclined towards academics or babu-culture (bureacracy)....Examples are obvious - Gujarat & Rajasthan on the one side - and Bengal, Kerala on the other.
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^^^No need to be defensive. Apologies also if I hurt your sensibilities. It was merely a question based on some eerie similarities and a pattern of behaviour. That is all. Peace.
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ShankarCag wrote:^^^No need to be defensive. Apologies also if I hurt your sensibilities. It was merely a question based on some eerie similarities and a pattern of behaviour. That is all. Peace.
You did not hurt my sensibilities in the least. Am a Brahmin myself....

You just happened to touch upon a point that is of intellectual interest to me.
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BTW I see some AAPturds in twitter asking for Devyani's arrest once she comes to India for being involved in Adarsh scam. Apparently AAP Mumbai is organizing a "citizen awareness on Adarsh Ghotala" today. The timing of the demand is too much of a coincidence. I have a hypothesis that the DK episode was more of an MKULTRA type operation to determine the psychological state of the nation and whether in the raft of anti corruption anger we would be willing to give up DK and our national interest based on her shady past dealings. Essentially they wanted to test whether they had succeeded in brainwashing Indians enough that we would conflate national interest and anti corruption.
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Minhaz Merchant ‏@minhazmerchant 22h

Why is Kejriwal giving Delhi a helpline number to catch petty bribe-takers, when he has Sheila's number? #Shunglu
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delhi deserves this

http://www.niticentral.com/2014/01/10/d ... 77631.html
Power distribution companies (Discoms) in Delhi have reportedly told Kejriwal’s led AAP’s Government in Delhi that they are in a precarious situation where very soon they might have to stop operations as they are not in a position to pay the power generation companies such as NTPC and other transmission companies with the existing tariffs.

According to a report in the Economic Times, Anil Ambani led Reliance Group has said that given AAP’s policy on power rates have irked the banks who aren’t keen to financial lending and this has been notified to the power secretary of Delhi.

In such a situation, if the present conditions persist, Delhi may soon be hit by blackouts unless corrective measures are taken. Moreover, questions are being raised about a CAG audit of the power companies since the Delhi Government itself holds 49% of the shares. Given this, the validity of an audit is questionable.
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krishnan wrote:delhi deserves this

http://www.niticentral.com/2014/01/10/d ... 77631.html
Power distribution companies (Discoms) in Delhi have reportedly told Kejriwal’s led AAP’s Government in Delhi that they are in a precarious situation where very soon they might have to stop operations as they are not in a position to pay the power generation companies such as NTPC and other transmission companies with the existing tariffs.

According to a report in the Economic Times, Anil Ambani led Reliance Group has said that given AAP’s policy on power rates have irked the banks who aren’t keen to financial lending and this has been notified to the power secretary of Delhi.

In such a situation, if the present conditions persist, Delhi may soon be hit by blackouts unless corrective measures are taken. Moreover, questions are being raised about a CAG audit of the power companies since the Delhi Government itself holds 49% of the shares. Given this, the validity of an audit is questionable.
Fabulous....large scale blackouts in Delhi prior to Lok Sabha elections would be the perfect answer to the morons who voted in AAP. The loony left will be shown up across India in all its glory.
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people here have started hating AAP, even in my office, say he underestimated being a CM, and didnt realize its not as easy as signing some orders
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sooner people realise that AAP is a creation of Sonia/CIA, the better for them to understand their current future plan/actions. For eg., they have started membership drive and plans to recruit 1 cr members by Jan 26. They will achieve it. How? because the paid media will declare so, though in reality, achieving even 1/10 of the target number is difficuit because of their "seemingly" limited resources. They have powerful backers who are against the interests of India as a nation and these powerful backers have only one agenda - stop Modi, because he is the future of India. They would resort to false propaganda, armtwisting, outright cheating and if required assassinations. They are not going to backout, because they know nobody is there to challenge them. And whoever can, is on their side. AAP is created, because things have become so rotten in Kangress that aam aadmi can't stand any Kangress man. So they are showing a new face to to Janta to cast their vote..Even if Janta don't fall for it, they will say Janta favoured AAP and cast Votes themselves on behalf of Janta. Why they do it? Because that is the only way to make people believe that Kangress lost, but Kangress loss is not BJP's gain, but AAP's gain. In the end people will start nodding their head and say Modi is a polarising figure, hence lost the public vote (and also add that Advani would have won the elections for BJP).

I can already see public in this forum nodding their heads approving AAP's perceived popularity. How long can we resist against brainwashing by paid media? If this is the case here, imagine how gullible the general public would be!
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geeth wrote:sooner people realises that AAP is a creation of Sonia/CIA, the better for them to understand their current future plan/actions. For eg., they have started membership drive and plans to recruit 1 cr members by Jan 26. They will achieve it. How? because the paid media will declare so, though in reality, achieving even 1/10 of the target number is difficuit because of their "seemingly" limited resources. They have powerful backers who are against the interests of India as a nation and these powerful backers have only one agenda - stop Modi, because he is the future of India. They would resort to false propaganda, armtwisting, outright cheating and if required assassinations. They are not going to backout, because they know nobody is there to challenge them. And whoever can, is on their side. AAP is created, because things have become so rotten in Kangress that aam aadmi can't stand any Kangress man. So they are showing a new face to to Janta to cast their vote..Even if Janta don't fall for it, they will say Janta favoured AAP and cast Votes themselves on behalf of Janta. Why they do it? Because that is the only way to make people believe that Kangress lost, but Kangress loss is not BJP's gain, but AAP's gain. In the end people will start nodding their head and say Modi is a polarising figure, hence lost the public vote (and also add that Advani would have won the elections for BJP).

I can already see public in this forum nodding their heads approving AAP's perceived popularity. How long can we resist against brainwashing by paid media? If this is the case here, imagine how gullible the general public would be!
Power of media is huge on public perception. While most of Modi's rallies always garner attendance of 100K+ with such frequency, that organizers need to try and reach humongous figures of 500K, 700K, 1000K. AK rallies even in Delhi never crossed 100K (most Jantar Mantar events were a few grand at best). While media did make a comparison between RG/NM rallies, it never did so between AK/NM.

I believe, Media in India is having its second ego boost moment (1st one as mentioned often by Ramanaji was 89 debacle of RG due to media pressure on Bofors). Media (and the assorted Buddhijivi/International-funding elements) believe that they can be the king makers. AAP is their child (even if they did not give it birth), so NM/BJP need to develop a strategy where they bypass Media and reach on the ground. Probably Modi needs to implement his Gujarat model of campaigning at India level (although I do not know if it is physically possible).

The electorate in Gujarat did not buy the free house scheme because of low credibility of Congis there coupled with his track record of delivery. Raj also proved the same but Delhi did not. We may actually see BJP becoming a Rural/Semi-Urban/Tier-II urban party which does not have strong following in Tier-I cities. At the risk of comparing with such phenomena in other countries (ex. Greens in Finland/Sweden are huge in main cities but non existent in other parts). AAP language of no big power plants, cheap water/electricity, heavy car tax, etc. has a reverberation in metro cities (more so for global citizens, who travel to US for on site two years, then come back, go to UK for next, etc); since such themes are conventional themes in many major western metros.
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Arjun wrote:Christian influence seems to have been strong on Kejriwal...An Uncommon Life
But the real turning point in his life was when he went to meet Mother Teresa at the Missionaries of Charity in Kolkata after resigning from Tata Steel in Jamshedpur. They wouldn't transfer him to their social work department since he'd been hired as an engineer. "Kolkata is very close to Jamshedpur. I'd heard of Mother Teresa, so I thought I'd go meet her. There was a long queue at the Missionaries of Charity. When my number came, Mother Teresa kissed my hand and I expressed my wish to work with her. It was a divine moment for me. She asked me to go and work at her Kalighat Ashram. I was there for two months," Kejriwal tells India Today
Kejriwal was raised as a religious child. Regular trips to church at school in Sonepat and Ghaziabad made a deep impact on him.
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ShankarCag wrote:^^^^ If somebody time travelled from 1914 to now he would be mistaken for reading the above as an eulogy to Gandhi. Aaah the similarities. Somebody needs to also do a pisko analysis as to why is it the case that the Bania community turns out this kind of mega Quisling figures. In the middle ages they were the most vociferous Hindu defenders and even took matters in their own hands(think Hemu). However since the time of Siraj-ud-daulah (think Jagat Seth) this community's behaviour has been inscrutable.
ShankarCag,
There are bad apples in every community. I know people from the bania community who are at the forefront of the fight for Hinduism. So AK is a bania, what are the castes of Prashanth Bhushan or Kumar Vishwas? Are they any better just because they did not become CMs? I think there is no room for this line of thinking which will only pit one Hindu against another. Please apologize and delete your post.
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I dunno about Kumar Bakwaas but you may not want to know the caste of Prashant Bhushan. Anyways I think I have already moved on from that post. Please read my followup posts too.
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prahaar wrote:so NM/BJP need to develop a strategy where they bypass Media and reach on the ground. Probably Modi needs to implement his Gujarat model of campaigning at India level (although I do not know if it is physically possible).

The electorate in Gujarat did not buy the free house scheme because of low credibility of Congis there coupled with his track record of delivery. Raj also proved the same but Delhi did not. We may actually see BJP becoming a Rural/Semi-Urban/Tier-II urban party which does not have strong following in Tier-I cities. At the risk of comparing with such phenomena in other countries (ex. Greens in Finland/Sweden are huge in main cities but non existent in other parts). AAP language of no big power plants, cheap water/electricity, heavy car tax, etc. has a reverberation in metro cities (more so for global citizens, who travel to US for on site two years, then come back, go to UK for next, etc); since such themes are conventional themes in many major western metros.
Focusing on MSM may not yield as much returns now. The atmospherics are clearly good. The personal touch is still not strong enough. The prescription for door to door campaigning and small dakshina collections seem to be better in this regard. People already know that they are in trouble. They are however still in two minds. Most people on the outside still like NaMo and believe in him but the BJP karyakarta is focusing too much on rallies only. The door to door will be required sooner or later. The voting would be in april and already half of January is gone.

Also about the similarities with Greens. You are right the whole countryside is waiting to be touched.
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RajeshA wrote: May be he can then have his own stall on the street and sell goose biryani and skull caps. I only wonder when his government in Bihar is going to fall - before Lok Sabha elections or after?!

If he does badly in LS, the JDU may split post-elections.
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Nandan Nilekani is now "Ready to contest polls".. :D
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Hey Guys I've put together a list from various sources to convert or re-convert AAPturds back to the nationalist fold. I've tried to include as many things as possible. You may just copy paste the list to any status update of AAPbhakts on FB or spread through email. I've done my part of spreading. Most of it is common knowledge to us, but this will create alteast some doubt in minds of people who are getting swayed.
Members of AAP:
1) Yogendra Yadav earlier worked as a consultant to Rahul Gandhi in 2009 General Elections. Not so Aam Aadmi, eh?
2) Prashan Bhushan of AAP petitioned in FAVOUR of Afzal Guru, terrorist who attacked Parliament in 2002.
3) Prashan Bhushan of AAP advocates that Kashmir should be given to Pakistan, just like ISI or Pakistan Army says so.
4) Ms. Nita Kajriwal (sister-in-law of Arvind Kejriwal) is a member of Sonia Gandhi’s NAC since June 2013.
5) Medha Patkar, a well known anti-development activist & Modi-baitor joins AAP. Is this how our country will develop if people like her are part of AAP?
6) Anti Nuclear Energy activist Udaykumar got invitation from AAP to join the party. Udaykumar is the one who delayed the inauguration of Kundakulam Nuclear Plant in TN.
7) AAP MLA Rakhi Birla’s car was hit by a kid playing cricket, but she spinned that story into an “attack” on her by goondas!
8 ) Aruna Roy, mentor of Kejriwal is also a former member of Sonia Gandhi’s NAC & responsible for corruption ridden schemes like MNREGA & FSB.

Old wine, new bottle:
1) Before Delhi Elections Kejriwal proclaimed he HAS PROOF against Sheila Dixit in CWG scam. He showed 370 pages file as proof. Where is the proof now? Why is he not acting against Congress. Oh, I forgot, he made the Delhi Govt. by taking support form Congress!!!
2) According to AAP Globalization is the root cause of corruption. Is it AAP or CPI(M) speaking? Is there any difference between both the parties?
3) AAP said that they will bring reservation for Delhi students in DU? Why should meritorious students form outside Delhi be exempted from entering DU? Is this equality?
4) Kejriwal asked Maulana Taqeer Rana to ask Muslims to vote for AAP. This Maulana is the same guy who put a bounty of Rs. 5 lakh on Taslima Nasreen’s head.
5) Because Auto rickshaw drivers are a big part of AAP’s votebank, AAP decided to release auto drivers from the scrutiny of Delhi Police & give them to Transport Dept. This will cause trouble to commuters. Also remember that the infamous Delhi Rape case bus was also under Transport Dept & not under Delhi Police. Had it been under Delhi Police maybe the bus would’ve been stopped. So AAP is basically giving boost to the system which abetted Delhi Rape case.
6) A 5yr Old Child was raped in Mangolpuri, Constituency of Minister for Women & Child Welfare Rakhi Birla. Where is the agitation now? Are the culprits caught?
7) 9 Bureaucrats Transferred on Day 1 itself. What process was implemented by the Party speaking about Jan Lokpal for these transfers?
8 ) Bribe Complaint Toll free no. already exists in state like Chattisgarh, but they don’t use it for PR purpose like AAP, but to actually help people.
9) People say BJP refused to form Govt. in Delhi that is why AAP had to pitch it. In reality BJP was not given a chance by the Governor to show it’s strength on the Assembly floor. It was Congress which gave un-conditional support to AAP before that & thus they formed the Govt.


About Kejriwal himself:
1) Kejriwal proclaimed that Batla encounter is FAKE! Is this the mind of our new "leader"? Anti-national and bigoted?
2) Kejriwal spent his entire 20 years’ career in IRS in Delhi only. It was on the insistence of Sonia Gandhi through a letter written to PMO. Why was he never transferred outside Delhi like other IRS officials. Even corrupt IRS officials are transferred, why was he not?
3) Kejriwal swore on his children not to take support of wither BJP or Congress!
4) For the Swearing-in Ceremony Arvind Kejriwal travelled by a "specially arranged" Metro Rail, which dropped him upto Barakhamba. It was additional expense borne by the taxpayer. What was its need if not publicity?
5) Since Arvind Kejriwal refused to carry Security provided by Delhi Police with himself, Police department had to make special security arrangements, which took 10 times more efforts for the same job.
6) The swearing-in ceremony was not held at Raj Bhavan. That would have cost only Rs.25,000-Rs.30,000. Swearing-in Ceremony held at Ram Leela Maidan, Delhi Govt spent Rs.50 Lakh instead of finishing the proces at just Rs.25,000-30,000. Pointed out by Dr. Harsh Vardhan.
7) Kejriwal's speech was still in Election Campaign mode, directed at upcoming General Elections. So, rally expense was effectively borne by State Govt instead of AAP.
8 ) Kejriwal met a Retail Chain Owner, a Two Wheeler Manufacturer & Corporate Lobbyist at Hotel AMAN, located at Lodhi Road who brokered his deal with Congress to form Govt. in Delhi.
9) He delivered on his promised Free Water for Delhi Households who have Official Water Connection. Its a different thing, he added an additional baggage of Rs.160cr/annum, to an existing Rs.1500cr/annum subsidy on Water in Delhi.
10) Some people ransacked AAP’s office. Why would these people do it so brazenly with banners in their hands & showing these banners to the CCTV cameras in the office? Why would BJP do something to give sympathy to AAP form public & of no gain to themselves? Or is it a self-planned attack to gain sympathy & deviate people from asking real answers to their real grievances?
11) Where is Jan Lokpal bill which AAP promised by Dec. 29?
12) Why did Kejriwal asked 2 Magsaysay awardees to be part of JanLokpal Selecting Committee? Magsaysay is a US sponsored award & Kejriwal himself is a recipient of this award. Why would he want 2 US funded people to choose Jan Lokpals in India?
13) Why did Kejriwal take money form Ford Foundation which is a from of America’s CIA?
14) AAP said they would increase quotas for SC/ST & women. Is this real democracy people style?
15) EC gave Notice to AAP before Delhi Elections for asking Mulsims to vote for them on the name of religion.
16) Kejriwal was part of Missionaries of Charity NGO which is a Christian front to convert people to Christianity in Northeast India.

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Congress divided over announcing Rahul as its PM nominee
With just a week to go for the crucial All India Congress Committee (AICC) meeting, the Congress seems to be split wide open over naming Vice President Rahul Gandhi its prime ministerial candidate for the 2014 Lok Sabha elections.

Congress General Secretary Digvijaya Singh stressed that there was no need to declare the prime ministerial candidate ahead of the elections. "In a parliamentary democracy, there is no need to declare prime ministerial candidate," he said.

But Union Home Minister Sushil Kumar Shinde said that the entire Congress party wants Rahul to be declared as the PM candidate. "The entire Congress party wants Rahul as the Prime Minister. There's no doubt about it," said Shinde on Friday.
Why .. why .. wonlee .. wonlee .. I thought this was exclusive to BJP.
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Why the regional satraps still supporting the central govt? As I see it, threre is everything for them to lose if election delays. First they dont want to go to election as a corrupt UPA partner. The second, and the biggest worry is that AAP is set to not only cut congi vote but their votes also. BJP's vote share will be least dented by AAP. Somehow everyone's other than NM's buddhi seem to be running viprit. Vinash kaal for them?
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Arjun wrote:Christian influence seems to have been strong on Kejriwal...An Uncommon Life
But the real turning point in his life was when he went to meet Mother Teresa at the Missionaries of Charity in Kolkata after resigning from Tata Steel in Jamshedpur. They wouldn't transfer him to their social work department since he'd been hired as an engineer. "Kolkata is very close to Jamshedpur. I'd heard of Mother Teresa, so I thought I'd go meet her. There was a long queue at the Missionaries of Charity. When my number came, Mother Teresa kissed my hand and I expressed my wish to work with her. It was a divine moment for me. She asked me to go and work at her Kalighat Ashram. I was there for two months," Kejriwal tells India Today
Kejriwal was raised as a religious child. Regular trips to church at school in Sonepat and Ghaziabad made a deep impact on him.
Good to know that Arvind Kejriwal is not an outlier. Sonia Gandhi's choice of successors in India to her Congress are all Christians: YSR Jagan Mohan Reddy, Ajit Jogi, and Arvind Kejriwal.
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I've put much of my theories about AAP, foreign puppeteers, various CTs, etc. in a new blog post.

Lok Sabha Elections 2014: How America stole Indian Christmas
Summary

Anglo-Americans in collusion with Nehru-Gandhi Dynasty have decided to steal the Indian elections using AAP as a trojan horse using all the tools at their disposal – Mainstream Media, NGO Army, Congress’s votebanks and EVM Magic.

This is not some well hidden secret. If Indians just look around and see the twists of political campaigns, one would come to the same conclusion – Mainstream Media, NGOs, Congress votebanks, all are being mobilized to this end.

It is up to Indians to spoil the plans laid out by Anglo-Americans and the Nehru-Gandhi Dynasty.

True, Indians are frustrated with corruption but this frustration should not articulate itself as a choice for AAP. If AAP really was a party at war with Congress and against its corruption, this deep seated cooperation would not have been there.

Today there are only two or three parties in India which will not submit to Congress culture. BJP is the main political alternative which would not dilute its anti-Congressism stance. Akali Dal and Shiv Sena are two other groups which have opposed Congress and its “secular” ecosystem steeped in casteism, favoritism, minority appeasement AND corruption.

Say NO to Anglo-American agenda. Say NO to Anglo-American Agenda Pushers – AAP.
I deliberately used "Christmas" here to reach a wider audience.

I've tweeted the link as well. Please RETWEET.
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