India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 10 Jan 2014 17:39

would have been better if they had filed charges on him for abetting and aiding the extraction of their asset and then asked him to go after 2 weeks. also put in a letter asking the US consulate to waive his immunity.

this is a good chance to CRE all consulate shady activities, CIA moles, "human rights" reporters, drain inspectors and so on.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 10 Jan 2014 17:43

Won't help. This is just the beginning. We will have further degradation of Indo-US relations from here either way. There is just zero political will and too much bad blood.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 10 Jan 2014 17:43

merlin wrote:I doubt that very much indeed. He will just be like the others in the BJP, IOW same as MMS and all the others in the Congress party. I have only seen Yashwant Sinha talk anything even slightly from India's point of view among all politicians from the BJP. D4 is so beholden to the dynasty that even thinking of speaking about this issue from the Indian point of view is not possible for them.

To clear this mess is the responsibility of GoI not the opposition and whether the opposition says something about this or not is of no consequence since that isn't what the GoI is going to do anyways. So I don't understand your need to drag Modi into this issue and blame him for the mess of a "reaction" that India gave. Had Modi been just like MMS then dynasty wouldn't have been moving the heaven and earth like it is doing now so as to stop his rise, hence to make a claim of == is clearly a misrepresentation of the facts on ground. If you want Modi to perform first you have to let him assume the position of power, then only after seeing his performance one would be able to gauge what is Modi.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 10 Jan 2014 17:48

Singha wrote:would have been better if they had filed charges on him for abetting and aiding the extraction of their asset and then asked him to go after 2 weeks. also put in a letter asking the US consulate to waive his immunity.

I completely agree....without going through the process of filing charges and coming out with the same moral grandstanding that the US has excelled in - the Indian move will seem quite petty.

This is not simply a small dispute over a maid - quite frankly the much larger issue inherent in this case is over which country gets the right to indulge in moral grandstanding over all others and regards its own laws as applicable Universally. Unless the Indian team recognizes this dispute for what it really is - there is no hope for an adequate retaliation.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 10 Jan 2014 17:52

it seems TSP puts very intrusive close qtr human surveillance on india and US/UK officials in TSP.

only a regime change might an end to this roman consul in gaul type of behaviour pattern.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 10 Jan 2014 17:54

India overreacts to diplomat's arrest

First, whether or not the charges and manner of arrest were proper, the intemperate reaction of the Indian government in response shows that, despite its status as an aspiring great power, India still frequently lacks the maturity on the world stage to behave like one.{The intemperate action of the Americans show the lacks of sensitivity and maturity that a world power should aspire for.}

In the wake of the arrest, India announced a number of steps against U.S. diplomats, including revoking government-issued IDs for U.S. diplomats in India, stopping the U.S. Embassy from importing most goods, and most provocatively removing a concrete security barricade at the U.S. Embassy in Delhi.

The sensitivity of such a threat to the embassy cannot be taken lightly, and the willingness of the Indian government to take such a step indicates a situation in which politics has run roughshod over any sensible understanding of diplomacy.{The willingness of US to make public the parking adjoining the Indian embassy show the lack of US sensitivity of such a threat to the Indian embassy. The US lacks any sensible understanding of diplomacy is shown by the manner a foreign diplomat was ill treated.}

Even if India feels its diplomat was ill-treated, a responsible power does not inflame the situation, especially against an ally that happens to be the world's most powerful country. There are many ways to show displeasure without putting the safety of American diplomats at risk. And there are more important moral and political issues that India has to address with the U.S. that do not involve, if the charges are true, vindicating the inalienable right of India's diplomats to illegally import and underpay domestic servants.{Quite right sir, responsible power do not inflame the situation, especially against an ally. There are many ways of showing displeasure than putting a female diplomats life at risk. There are moral and political issues US has to address with India when it illegally tries to grant itself jurisdiction over Indian law and India courts.}

Meanwhile, Khobragade and her father, a retired senior civil servant in the elite Indian Administrative Service (IAS) have gone on a PR offensive, with Mr. Khobragade charging, "It is nothing but a racial bias. It is simple and clear racial bias to harass the Indians." In light of such claims, which were frequently echoed in the Indian media, it bears mentioning that the U.S. attorney who brought the case, Preet Bharara, is himself a native of India, and he has strongly defended the action.{An Indian-American US attorney does not take away the racial angle out of the case.}

In addition to the Indian government's extremely provocative steps, the treatment of the case by most of the Indian media has also shown a substantial moral blind spot: Few members of either the commentariat or the political class, neither of whom were short on outrage over Khobragade's treatment, seemed to evince much sympathy for the maid in question, who, if prosecutors are believed, has been the victim of a crime, not the perpetrator of one.{The extremely provocative steps of the US gov. and the one sided treatment of the case in the US media shown a substantial moral blind spot.}

Quite to the contrary, according to Indian media reports, the maid's family in India were threatened when she made her initial complaint and eventually were temporarily brought to the U.S. to assure their safety during the prosecution.{Quite certainly, US had tried to intimidate and blackmail the Indian diplomat into a compromising position and the evacuation of Indian nationals from India clearly demonstrates the bad faith of the US gov.}

The deafening silence in the maid's defense, in favor of a full-throated defense of an alleged criminal of the higher social class, tells a sad story about the reality of power and privilege in India that will be familiar to many foreigners who have spent substantial time in the country.{The deafening silence on the diplomats plight and ill treatment at the hands of US law enforcement tells a sad story about the reality of power and its abuse by the US government and is familiar to many foreigners who have spent substantial time in US.}

Indian politicians play frequent lip service to the "aam admi" or common man, but the Indian press is daily filled with accounts of horrific mistreatment meted out by upper-class Indians against India's "common citizens" (for example, just last month a member of India's parliament was arrested for beating a servant to death -- allegedly over the quality of her dusting). In that context, it is worth noting that this is not the first recent case of alleged abuse of domestic servants at India's New York Consulate.{The US press is frequently filled with stories of rape, murder, massacre, Gun violence, ill treatment of blacks and other minorities meted out by the white racists. The Trevor martin case and the stand your ground law of Florida is the latest in a string of laws passed by the white racist majority to torture and suppress the blacks and other minorities.}

habal · Post by **habal** » 10 Jan 2014 17:56

actually asking them to just withdraw a diplomat absolves the diplomat of any further penalties on account of his activities in contempt of Indian courts and Indian justice. This is an aid to him and not really a reciprocal act.

member_28352 · Post by **member_28352** » 10 Jan 2014 18:00

^^^^400% agree with the above observation. So much for this is the beginning. I've said it earlier and will say it again. Things will go back to "normal". Slowly one by one the privileges will be resorted and the americans will do something real nasty, like imprisoning a minister/babu/judge to show who's boss. We can avert that if we retaliate adequately now and give out the impression that there's going to be blowback for this. By being a pu$$y we risk the lives of ordinary Indian citizens visiting the US who are in danger of being arrested on false pretexts. While we do this it should not appear that we are doing this out of spite. Patently Indian laws have been broken especially the egregious kidnapping of SR's family. We need to make US diplomutts/US Dept of Injustice morons/Khalistani sympathizers as accused in this case.

habal · Post by **habal** » 10 Jan 2014 18:08

Manmohan (001 code) and his cabinet of 'Uncle Shuklas' pin their hopes on the fact that the mango Indian public will not really probe further into the nitty-gritties of India's relations with US. In any case, please do not give a lot of coverage into 'relatiatory' or 'reciprocal' steps by the current Govt. At most it's going to be an eyewash. This needs to be kept alive as an unsettled business.

Mahesh_R · Post by **Mahesh_R** » 10 Jan 2014 18:20

ShankarCag wrote:^^^^400% agree .

^^^ 400 +++

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 Jan 2014 18:29

This is a meek response, unless of course this is to be followed up by real investigation into tax avoidance issues and an arrest made.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 10 Jan 2014 18:31

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 10 Jan 2014 18:35

Khobragade Fallout: India Expels Senior US Diplomat

The unnamed Director-rank American diplomat based here was given "a little more than 48 hours" to leave India even as Khobragade was on her way home from New York, where the US government finally approved her accreditation to the UN which gave her full diplomatic immunity as against partial immunity at the time of her arrest on December 12 when she was Deputy Consul General there.

India's tit-for-tat action is only the second instance of a US diplomat being expelled, the first instance being expulsion of George Griffin, then political Counsellor, 33 years ago. That was in retaliation against similar action being taken by the US against Prabhakar Menon, an Indian diplomat.

Refraining from using the term "expulsion", official sources said here that the US Embassy has been asked to "withdraw" one of its diplomats of similar rank as that of Khobragade, which the government "have reasons to believe, is closely involved in the processes relating to this case and subsequent unilateral action by the US." However, the sources did not divulge the name of the American diplomat.

The diplomat was understood to be closely involved in the "evacuation" of the family of Khobragade's absconding maid Sangeeta Richard.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 10 Jan 2014 18:37

and this is how real bears work

http://darussophile.com/2013/04/15/the- ... tsky-list/

The Anti-Magnitsky List
Posted on April 15, 2013
Here is the list of US citizens publicly barred from Russia in response to the US Magnitsky List. Are you familiar with any of them?

Individuals alleged to be involved in the use and legalization of torture and indefinite confinement of prisoners – the “Guantanamo list”:

1. David Spears Addington – Chief of Staff of the U.S. Vice-President Dick Cheney (2005-2009);
2. John Choon Yoo – Legal adviser at the U.S. Department of Justice (2001-2003);
3. Geoffrey D. Miller – Commander of Joint Task Force Guantanamo, which administers the U.S. military detention centers at the U.S. Guantanamo Naval Base on Cuba (2002-2003)
4. Jeffrey Harbeson – Commander of Joint Task Force Guantanamo (2010-2012)

Individuals alleged to be involved in abuse of Russian citizens’ human rights abroad:

5. Jed Saul Rakoff – U.S. District Judge for Southern District of New York;
6. Preetinder S. Bharara – U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York;
7. Michael J. Garcia – Former U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York;
8. Brendan R. McGuire – Assistant U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York;
9. Anjan S. Sahni – Assistant U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York;
10. Christian R. Everdell – Assistant U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York;
11. Jenna Minicucci Dabbs – Assistant U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York;
12. Christopher L. Lavigne – Assistant U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York;
13. Michael Max Rosensaft – Assistant U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York;
14. Louis J. Milione – Senior Special Agent of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration;
15. Sam Gaye – Senior special Agent of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration;
16. Robert F. Zachariasiewicz – Special Agent of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration;
17. Derek S. Odney – Special Agent of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration;
18. Gregory A. Coleman – Special Agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation;

I’m familiar with two of them.

John Yoo, of course – the guy who provided much of the “legal” basis for both Guantanamo and the Iraq War. I don’t view him as a war criminal or anything like some of the liberal leftists do. Nonetheless, if Russia is providing a “symmetrical” response to the Magnitsky List, it couldn’t bar a more appropriate person. Yoo himself seems to be taking it in good stride.

Varoon Shekhar · Post by **Varoon Shekhar** » 10 Jan 2014 18:43

While the Indian response is understandable, one wishes these same IFS people had shown even a fifth of the outrage and desire to 'retaliate' on the whole question of David Coleman Headley. There was more perfidy by the US in that matter, than in this one, where the US is displaying a lot of contrived outrage and zealotry( i.e on 'trafficking' and exploitation).

habal · Post by **habal** » 10 Jan 2014 18:48

the Indian lion is sadly blessed with the head of a housecat, it does meow meow 'theek hain' when stroked. Dalit ki beti ka apmaan hua hain. Manmohan kitna bachayegaa US ko. Just keep it on the boil. Soon somebody will lose their cool and do something that will amount to reciprocity.

member_28352 · Post by **member_28352** » 10 Jan 2014 18:49

^^^The Headley affair was and will remain a perfidy. The US complicity is beyond words bordering on involvement in 26/11. Somebody needs to find out the names of Headley's CIA handlers and make them accused in 26/11 case.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 10 Jan 2014 18:50

habal wrote:Dalit ki beti ka apmaan hua hain.

NaMo should take up this chant.

Mahesh_R · Post by **Mahesh_R** » 10 Jan 2014 18:51

The best way for IFS to make == is to leak the name of the Amriki Dipulamat to the press and mention it as UNNAMED source

member_28352 · Post by **member_28352** » 10 Jan 2014 18:53

^^^^In all likelihood that is the CIA guy/political officer. We may not get to know his name.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 10 Jan 2014 18:54

ShankarCag wrote:^^^The Headley affair was and will remain a perfidy. The US complicity is beyond words bordering on involvement in 26/11. Somebody needs to find out the names of Headley's CIA handlers and make them accused in 26/11 case.

Why saar even if "unknow agents of CIA" involvement is invoked in the charge sheet it will light a fire Under the aSs of A. But it is too much to expect when not even a basic case was made out against the expelled US diplomat.

pralay · Post by **pralay** » 10 Jan 2014 18:57

The expelled diplomat should be strip searched at the airport while leaving. Make him spend a lot of time in queues, Search his every bag and briefcase very very slowly. Can be a good bye bye.

ManjaM · Post by **ManjaM** » 10 Jan 2014 18:58

pankajs wrote:Khobragade Fallout: India Expels Senior US Diplomat
The unnamed Director-rank American diplomat based here was given "a little more than 48 hours" to leave India even as Khobragade was on her way home from New York, where the US government finally approved her accreditation to the UN which gave her full diplomatic immunity as against partial immunity at the time of her arrest on December 12 when she was Deputy Consul General there.

India's tit-for-tat action is only the second instance of a US diplomat being expelled, the first instance being expulsion of George Griffin, then political Counsellor, 33 years ago. That was in retaliation against similar action being taken by the US against Prabhakar Menon, an Indian diplomat.

Refraining from using the term "expulsion", official sources said here that the US Embassy has been asked to "withdraw" one of its diplomats of similar rank as that of Khobragade, which the government "have reasons to believe, is closely involved in the processes relating to this case and subsequent unilateral action by the US." However, the sources did not divulge the name of the American diplomat.

The diplomat was understood to be closely involved in the "evacuation" of the family of Khobragade's absconding maid Sangeeta Richard.

Unnamed person of Director rank!! Who is to verify that there is such a person or has indeed been expelled. Its mind boggling that we are trying to save H&D of a country that just rubbed our face in mud and then kicked us down again when we are trying to get up and shake hands.
The Indian response till now was deliberate and calibrated, but when it was time for the retaliation, we just folded. This is like getting balathkared and being happy that atleast the body parts are intact, so we can be balathkared again.

ManjaM · Post by **ManjaM** » 10 Jan 2014 19:00

ShankarCag wrote:^^^The Headley affair was and will remain a perfidy. The US complicity is beyond words bordering on involvement in 26/11. Somebody needs to find out the names of Headley's CIA handlers and make them accused in 26/11 case.

It was a perfidy, as was the "electronics" that were lost in US after Mumbai 93'. So it appears that we are being taught well, but we just dont learn.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 10 Jan 2014 19:01

One thing I hope everybody on DDM and in India in general will learn from this episode is to not go ga ga over an NRI pipsqueak like me achieve something here and there. 90+% of NRIs are in US for personal aggrandizement (nothing wrong with that), and as far as US India relations go, they contribute nothing. And many NRIs are downright detrimental to US India relations at a strategic level. At the end of the day, the villian in this case is that Unccle Tom b@stard Preet Barara (someone said he shares the Khalistani hatred towards India, don't know if its true), not to mention that 2-bit SD official, Nisha Desai. Also, judging from the comments to various articles, most of the NRIs are so challenged in their strategic understanding of US policy, that they take out their pet grouses and hatreds against India: related to power, secessionist desires, privilege, caste/class, law enforcement, corruption etc, based on what is reported about DK. I mean lets face it, it takes some level of foreign policy understanding that the custodial rape of DK has nothing to do with the ostensible US concerns for fair wages and other moralistic crap, but own people (theIT wallahs, newly arrived feminists etc have fallen for it). At the end of the day, this is another one of those Indian Vs Indian Vs Indian (and I make no distinction between honorary white Indians like PB and those like DK and SR) spats with whites having the last laugh going to the bank.

Score card: US gets an A+
India gets an F-

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 10 Jan 2014 19:03

The name will be known shortly after he/she has left India.

member_28352 · Post by **member_28352** » 10 Jan 2014 19:04

^^This certainly isn't the second time a US diplomutt is being asked to leave. I distinctly remember US diplomutts being asked to leave after Ratan Sehgal and Rabinder Singh episodes also.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 Jan 2014 19:06

ShankarCag wrote:^^^^In all likelihood that is the CIA guy/political officer. We may not get to know his name.

Why not ? There is a little country in our neighbourhood which twice revealed the identities of CIA station chiefs in the US, Islamabad embassy and they were hurriedly withdrawn.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 10 Jan 2014 19:06

Mayhaps unofficial vs official expulsion.

habal · Post by **habal** » 10 Jan 2014 19:12

CRamS wrote: Score card: US gets an A+
India gets an F-

US is D+/F+ at best.

And have acted in unison and coordinated at their end well, with the objective that a nation of 250 million people should insult and humiliate a billion through some slick moves. But in the end

What did they really gain from this, except earn the enmity of 1 billion people. Their reputation has been totally tarred in India, except in the hearts & minds of Uncle Shuklas and Uncle Toms who have been supplied more imported consular liquor to stand up for US interests in Indian media. Their game is out in the open. And unlike their role in 26/11, this time even Manmohan has been unable to cover up their devious game.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 10 Jan 2014 19:14

US intel was also involved in the larkin spy case of mid 1980s. I read about it in junior school.
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes ... l-brothers
The spy ring was detected in April 1983, but the government ordered further surveillance for another seven months in view of ramifications involved in arresting such senior officials. F D Larkins was caught redhanded on November 18, 1983, while was passing documents to an American. K H Larkins was also arrested the next day.

Nov 1983: Larkin brothers caught passing documents to Americans

1985: Convicted for 10 years

1989: Released on bail

2001: HC dismisses appeal

Apr 2003: SC dismisses appeal, non-bailable warrants against brothers, now in their 80s

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 10 Jan 2014 19:17

pankajs wrote:
habal wrote:Dalit ki beti ka apmaan hua hain.
NaMo should take up this chant.

What is the need of doing congi chaap casteism here ??? Namo should only give his views when asked for it since it isn't his responsibility to sort out this mess it's of GoI and if GoI is wimp then that's the voter's fault not Modi. Stop dragging Namo into this unnecessarily.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 10 Jan 2014 19:19

here also the unnamed western nation is like USA
http://articles.latimes.com/1985-02-04/ ... -documents

India Spy Sold Secrets for 25 Years : Says He Gave Data to France, 2nd Western Nation for $1 Million
February 04, 1985|United Press International

NEW DELHI — The alleged leader of the biggest espionage ring in India's history startled a court today by confessing that he sold vital national secrets for over 25 years to France and another Western nation and had made $1 million as a spy.

Businessman Coomar Narain, liaison officer of a Bombay textile company, did not name the other Western nation in his three-hour court session before Metropolitan Magistrate P. K. Dham, said a court official who asked not to be named.

At no time in his confession did he name "the United States or any of the Soviet Bloc of nations," the official said.

Narain told the judge in a statement that he had been "collecting information concerning India's politics, defense and economy for the last 25 years and passing them on to foreigners."

Didn't Explain About Money

He told the judge that he made nearly $1 million during his quarter-century of spying but did not reveal where he kept the money or how it was spent.

The confession was startling because it meant that India's most guarded secrets had been looted and sold to foreign countries for most of India's 36 years of independence.

Newspaper reports had said the spy ring had been operating for two to three years.

Fifteen suspects have been arrested so far in the case, the biggest spy scandal in Indian history.

Breach of Security

The spy network, publicized last month by Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi, has breached security in his office as well as in the office of the Indian president, the Defense Ministry and other government departments.

Narain confessed that he was collecting classified information from Indian officials and passing it on "to some people of diplomatic level," the source said.

"Narain mentioned three foreign nationals" to whom he was supplying secret information, the official said. "Two of the foreign nationals belonged to France and the other to another Western country," he said, without naming the second nation implicated.

The Indian government has ordered two French diplomats to return home, including Ambassador Serge Boidevaix

, who was given until March 2 to leave.

Attache Expelled

India also expelled French deputy military attache Lt. Col. Alain Bolley, who allegedly was the recipient of many of the top-secret documents procured by Narain.

Narain told the court that he received the top-secret documents from Indian officials who went to his office in central Delhi. He made photocopies of the documents, returned the originals and passed the secrets to his foreign contacts, the official said.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 10 Jan 2014 19:21

Sagar G wrote:What is the need of doing congi chaap casteism here ??? Namo should only give his views when asked for it since it isn't his responsibility to sort out this mess it's of GoI and if GoI is wimp then that's the voter's fault not Modi. Stop dragging Namo into this unnecessarily.

Ok saar, change the chant to "Bharat ki beti ka apmaan hua hain".

If it is an issue that has found traction with the masses then NaMo should certainly talk about it. If he can talk about be-headings of soldiers at the hands of pakis he certainly can talk on this.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 10 Jan 2014 19:23

amirki paws were even in the subba row case where plans of the charlie class sub were sought to be smuggled out
http://indianmavericks.blogspot.in/2006 ... -case.html

The B K Subbarao Espionage Case
Finally we find a public admission of the role of the US in the B K Subbarao case. From the notes of Amb. John Dean - US Amb. to India at the time.
http://www.jimmycarterlibrary.org/libra ... /India.pdf

In 1987. the Indian Navy had leased a Soviet nuclear submarine. The purpose of the lease was to train the Indian navy in the use of such a technically advanced naval vessel. The reactor unit was sealed and the spent fuel was to be returned to the Soviet Union. Mr. Gandhi had assured President Reagan that "this specific submarine on lease from the Soviet Union would not be used in any manner in the event of any hostilities." Prime Minister Gandhi had assured President Reagan in writing that there was "no ground for any apprehension". Naturally, our navy wanted to know more about the submarine leased from the Soviet Union to India, and this led to a covert operation to obtain detailed plans and drawings of this vessel. The incident occurred when an Indian Navy Captain was arrested at Bombay International Airport before boarding a flight for the United States in possession of detailed technical data on the Soviet nuclear submarine. Apparently, Indian Intelligence had tracked the Indian naval officer - or was he a double agent - and, in any case, I was asked to meet with the Prime Minister who confronted me with the facts. I did my best to smooth ruffled feathers, and fortunately Mr. Gandhi was sufficiently experienced in international relations to know that information on the Soviet vessel was a legitimate target for our Intelligence agencies. I urged that the apprehension of the Indian officer before leaving India with the drawings should not adversely impact on over-all U.S.-Indian relations. At the same time, I protected vis-a-vis Washington the American official who had been in charge of this case at the Embassy. He left the post quite rapidly, but has enjoyed an interesting career after his service in India.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 10 Jan 2014 19:27

^^^ that is business as usual for diplomatic staff no?

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 10 Jan 2014 19:29

Lok Sabha Elections 2014: How America stole Indian Christmas

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 10 Jan 2014 19:34

pankajs wrote:Ok saar, change the chant to "Bharat ki beti ka apmaan hua hain".

If it is an issue that has found traction with the masses then NaMo should certainly talk about it. If he can talk about be-headings of soldiers at the hands of pakis he certainly can talk on this.

Are you sure that the issue has found "traction" with the masses. How many in your office are in know of the facts regarding these affairs ??? Very few I bet and these are the "educated" middle class people, what about the below middle class people who form the bulk of population. You think they even know about Devyani, forget about the case.

Bandhu, BRF doesn't constitute the entire world so plesae don't use the amount of knowledge available here as a quantum of measurement of the awareness of the general public. Soldiers are a different class altogether bacha bacha of India knows about our army how many people do you think would even be able to tell the full form of IFS ??? Sorry to burst your belief but this issue doesn't find traction with the masses since most people don't keep themselves abreast of diplomatic brawls.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 Jan 2014 19:38

DK was asked to be withdrawn by the US to which GoI retaliated by ordering a similar level US consul to be withdrawn. The original humiliation that India suffered remains yet to be avenged.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 10 Jan 2014 19:40

^^
Agree.

@Sagar G
Let NaMo be the judge.