Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 10 Jan 2014 19:42

RajeshA wrote:
Adrija wrote:- so Congress may go down to ~ 120-130 seats
From Twitter
A senior AICC source- Con thinktank is giving itself sureshot chance in 48 seats and fair chance in another 23. Rest is "out of reach"

sir ji, same source gives BJP sureshot 172 and fair chance in 41.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 10 Jan 2014 19:44

muraliravi wrote:sir ji, same source gives BJP sureshot 172 and fair chance in 41.

I agree with him. I believe you don't see the scenario as that optimistic.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 10 Jan 2014 19:46

it is something that any revolutionary movements and bandwagon influence will automatically discount any performance metric aspects.. so, i was waiting for one rakshak to respond.. but none did.

here is my first in the list what modi should do:

- just blindly chase after kejriwal's dilli performance - measure, collect, and report. just purely on what he does, and what is the outcome. what is the achievement. this is just enough to begin with.

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 10 Jan 2014 19:48

Adiraja wrote:The whole game of the Congress is not to retain power (IMO even they have given up on that), but to limit the BJP to ~ 170 seats........that will ensure that (a) at the very best, there is no NDA government; or at the very least (b) there is no Modi as PM

Do you really believe There will be a NDA gubbermint without Modi as PM? Such a gubbermint should not happen even if it allows a few 'secular' parties on board to reach the majik number. Any non NDA formation will be crippled and could very well fall soon. Can NDA then go back to the masses and ask them to give Modi the mandate and come out triumphant?

Anantha · Post by **Anantha** » 10 Jan 2014 20:48

vivek.rao wrote:^^ I agree.

Ask 20+ year olds who is driving car if they lincense. 70% of them won't. Ask them why? Who bothers with all the hassle. But AK will remove corruption and restore justics. That in nutshell is average AAP voter

The desi line of thinking is corruption in Indiais high and is done by others. As needed most are willing to give/pay bribes to get the job done. Such things happen more when more people compete for less resources.
The NGO model running India will be a disaster and will set back India by several decades and may also play havoc with India's integrity as resources may become less and less for eg stopping dams/power plants lowering resources. Extrapolate this to all levels of national business.

Anantha · Post by **Anantha** » 10 Jan 2014 20:55

SaiK
The 1st test on Kejri should be prosecution of Sheila aunty on CWG or other scam. Enough pressure should be built on Khujliwal to do this. The dynasty may throw Sheila aunty under the bus, but it may get enough congressis to jump ship/attack Khujli before the elections.
All these have to happen in the next 2 months. As of now BJP has no answer to the Khujli.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 10 Jan 2014 21:03

BJP, Modi should not miss our opportunity of being front runner: Jaitley

Jaitley has put it rather well actually...Consolidating the front-runner status and building further on it through an "agenda for India" will be key.

Morover, when it comes to corruption, as Jaitley rightly says, the AAP in keeping with its "Aam Admi" image is more concerned with petty corruption that affects the common man - rather than the big-ticket corruption that BJP has been focusing on.

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 10 Jan 2014 21:15

Another thing that stands out in this NaMo v die nasty is the succession plans. DIE believed that the name will give succession, it seems perhaps that hope has now ended.

It seems that was also the case when Vajpayee was getting on. The default choice was a devastating choice which lost 10 years.

The threat to NaMo's life is not clear and present. It could very well be the case even when he is the PM, when he is the PM. The succession plan has to be set up to prevent the ship from drifting rudderless.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 10 Jan 2014 21:42

RajeshA wrote:
muraliravi wrote:sir ji, same source gives BJP sureshot 172 and fair chance in 41.
I agree with him. I believe you don't see the scenario as that optimistic.

Sir ji,

My predictions are very simple, BJP historically has done worse than what its well wishers and even some neutral survey agencies predict. I guess in India random sampling is still not a perfected concept. So my rule these days is to use the most pessimistic estimate.

I do agree that the state elections in RJ and MP did beat expectations, but these were still victories in BJP strongholds. I am not sure if Namo can take them too far in western MH or in Jharkhand (where even though in Ranchi he pulled crowd, what is the narrative, BJP was in power for most part and yet he chose to rant on Raul vinci) or in Haryana where they have no cadre or gameplan despite what we like to think. What I am saying is that Namo wave has limitations and I would not like to put too many eggs in that basket. Yes he has helped rejuvenate BJP's cadre and its base. But that certainly does not mean they will break historical barriers and get hit new records. Maybe if they had all their bases intact (KA in BJP's hands, BJP was still ruling Jharkhand, sealed MNS alliance long back, won delhi handsomely and avoided this huge blunder of handing over attention to khujliwal) then they had a very high chance of breaking their ceiling,

Anyway my prediction after months of analysis is 120 seats for BJP without UP and Bihar.

Tentatively I put UP at 24 seats and Bihar at 16. So I see BJP overall at 160. But I am more certain of the 120 without UP and Bihar. They need a miracle in these 2 states to get them past 180.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 10 Jan 2014 21:47

Sagar G wrote: What "achievement in governance" w.r.t. Nilkeni are you talking about ???

Not in government but professionally.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 10 Jan 2014 23:14

Atri wrote:Nandan Nilekani is now "Ready to contest polls"..

MMS by his speech offerinng to step down for Amul Baba only had foreclosed Congress game plan to foster N^2 as interim PM* and hang MMS with the corruption charges. Hence N^2 has no choice but to ofer to contest in coming polls.

* Folks in Silicon Valley got notice to pack bags to help him run the place with AAPified ideas.

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 10 Jan 2014 23:55

https://twitter.com/kapsology/status/42 ... to/1/large

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 11 Jan 2014 00:25

Shonu wrote:https://twitter.com/kapsology/status/42 ... to/1/large

Bad idea. Who was advising these fools. Inko aur koi design nahi mila kya.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 11 Jan 2014 01:04

so i like this kiran bedi vs arvind kejriwal.. nice. but am i missing something else?

Aam Aurut vs. Aam Admi! give them the swords! of course Aurat will win hands down eventually, using the same Admi's broom.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 11 Jan 2014 02:29

i hope some one is reading from BJP, this topi is completely retard idea and will only impress that BJP is following AAP

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 11 Jan 2014 06:29

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHr3Glhk ... e=youtu.be

Awesome, I say every BJP worker should SMS this to everyone.

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 11 Jan 2014 07:39

^+1 Milliion. This one should be shared, mailed, and pushed down the throat of anyone you can.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 11 Jan 2014 07:46

Some good news, here is a survey. They did not survey aap specifically but the survey is done after all the recent media blitz. They see aap damaging bjp in delhi, haryana and maha . But overall bjp gets 210 with 50 from UP

http://m.economictimes.com/markets/stoc ... 653539.cms

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 11 Jan 2014 09:02

muraliravi wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHr3Glhk ... e=youtu.be

Awesome, I say every BJP worker should SMS this to everyone.

It is magnificent. What is the tune in the background?

member_23658 · Post by **member_23658** » 11 Jan 2014 10:13

^ The music is 'heart of courage' from a music production company called two steps from hell. you can search for it on youtube

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 11 Jan 2014 11:01

UP, Bihar to boost BJP’s chances in 2014 Lok Sabha elections: IIFL

Virendra · Post by **Virendra** » 11 Jan 2014 11:02

A dose for those going gaga over the Delhi darbaar (that fizzled out in half hour today).
http://www.7rcr.com/2014/01/10/why-has- ... ked-about/

subhamoy.das · Post by **subhamoy.das** » 11 Jan 2014 11:16

BJP strategy is working. PAAP is getting exposed as hyprocryt and other side of the congress. They will also be tied down in Delhi. So overall a good move by BJP

Nitesh · Post by **Nitesh** » 11 Jan 2014 13:36

The so common CM can not take smell of common people for more then half and hour, this is epic

LakshO · Post by **LakshO** » 11 Jan 2014 14:07

Something for people that have dhoti shiver about AAP
First AAP durbar in Delhi

Sample this:

The Janata Darbar is looking more and more like a scene from Jantar Mantar with crowds of people marching with protest banners and sloganeering rendering the air.

Many citizens were angry at the chaos and at the prospect of not being able to meet the CM. "The common man is being a made a fool of. All this is just a show. Our work will never get done," said resident from Rajinder Nagar, who said he wanted to meet the CM about the illegal cancellation of a DDA plot that was alloted to him.

As per the article, the size of the crowd was 3k-4k

niran · Post by **niran** » 11 Jan 2014 14:21

Anantha wrote:SaiK
The 1st test on Kejri should be prosecution of Sheila aunty on CWG or other scam. Enough pressure should be built on Khujliwal to do this. The dynasty may throw Sheila aunty under the bus, but it may get enough congressis to jump ship/attack Khujli before the elections.
All these have to happen in the next 2 months. As of now BJP has no answer to the Khujli.

first thing first, investigation on CWG is undergoing CBI is doing that dilli sarkar can do jilch, AK28 can onree speed up the files
which dilli lokaayukta has recommended for investigation it is about misuse of state fund, and that ain't gonna happen why do you think from "we get janlokpaal bill by 29 dec" to first or second week of feb? hainji? the bold part why do you think so? this shows you are shooting from your mushy, pliss to be thinking reading watching assimilating and think on it then profess your thoughts.

NikhilB · Post by **NikhilB** » 11 Jan 2014 14:55

Liked this article.

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/mr-ke ... 34765.html

Jahangir, if you’ve read history or Amar Chitra Katha, was famous for his system of personal hearing and his ‘golden chain of justice.’ During his reign, anybody could stand outside his fort in Agra and request a personal audience with the emperor. For this, the supplicant had to just pull any of the 60 bells outside the castle.

Jahangir’s day and age were different.

Frankly, what is it that Kejriwal is trying to achieve except some publicity and TV time

Jahanpanah, are you listening?

I think NaMo was waiting for this kind of opportunity. Now Kejriwal has made one huge blunder (depends on how MSM portrays it) but BJP should now fully exploit this.

Till now we've had only Shahjade
Now we also have Jahanpanah and unka Darbar !

And then compare Jahanpahan's darbar with Namo's online citizen grievance system !

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 11 Jan 2014 15:13

Ek Shahjada to doosra Jahanpanah! Dono ek hi maa ke betae.

member_23658 · Post by **member_23658** » 11 Jan 2014 15:19

NDTV ticker says 'power bills have not been waived, its under consideration' ... another U turn by Kejriwal

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 11 Jan 2014 15:34

Yesterday met with a Bramin from UP and discussed UP situation with him. As per him - Modi meeting near his place attracted 6 Lacs people. Roads to Varanasi were jammed up to 100 KM and almost 100 Bhiga agriland next to meeting ground was damaged as crowds had to stand there after the original meeting ground was filled. BJP paid 12,500Rs. Damages per each Bhiga. For 4 days tents of people who are coming to meet were erected in Varanasi.

As per him 50 seats are possible for Modi. but 30 to 40 are certain. People understood voting for BSP and SP is just voting for mafia at Delhi. Now Bramins are not with Behenji and irrespective of castes and voting in the end message has gone every where that voting aim is Congress Mukth Bharath - which means no votes to SP and BSP also. He was however apprihensive of BSP and Mafia tie up.

One more problem dont understand is the SP conduct. Why is is antoganising Muslim voters??? Is Muslims of Up are being hearded towards BSP ( and Mafia if both of them join)?

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 11 Jan 2014 17:38

nageshks wrote:
muraliravi wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHr3Glhk ... e=youtu.be

Awesome, I say every BJP worker should SMS this to everyone.
It is magnificent. What is the tune in the background?

No idea sir, but the background music is pretty good

Nitesh · Post by **Nitesh** » 11 Jan 2014 17:46

these jokes are going rounds, guys just spread it AAP supporters are having heartburn over these too

रजनीकांत के जोक्स हुए पुराने .
आलोकनाथ की हो गई छुट्टी .
अब बारी नए हैश टैग YoKejriwalSoHonest की ......

- अग्नि की जब शादी हुई थी तब उसने केजरीवाल जी को साक्षी मानकर फेरे लिए होंगे ?

- केजरीवाल हेल्पलाइन: ''डायल किया गया नंबर व्यस्त है' केजरीवाल नौटंकी में मस्त है"

- Kejriwal is so honest that he
doesn't have any LIC policy
because honesty is the best
policy.

- for the camera,
to the Camera &
By the Camera'

- केजरीवाल जी की बीवी ने पूछा, क्या मैं मोटी लग रही हूं और उन्होंने कहा....हां!!

- YoKejriwalSoHonest he got his wife's cousins arrested for stealing his shoes on his wedding.

- हरिशचंद्र ने अपनी छाती पर केजरीवाल जी का टैटू बनवा रखा था !

- he actually rolls on the floor laughing while texting 'ROFL'
when he finds a bomb, he returns it to the terrorists

- once he filed a case against a Halwai because there were neither Gulabs nor Jaamuns in GulabJamun..

- I am so honest that even Alok Nath takes aashirwad from me & calls me Baujii..

- अगर आपके पडोसी का बटुआ
चोरी हो गया हो..
ओर शक आप पर
जा रहा हो तो जल्दी ,,आप,,
की सदस्यता ग्रहण कर
ईमानदारी का सर्टिफिकेट ले लीजिए ।
भले ही बटुआ आपने चुराया हो लेकिन
फंसेगा मोदी ही...!!!

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 11 Jan 2014 22:23

The way I see it Modi has a great opportunity to purge BJP of ineffective, criminal and corrupt leaders and infuse the party with young, charismatic rising leaders who display some semblance of honesty, integrity and clean image. Granted a complete overhaul is impractical, Modi can effect a balance.

When questioned, he can cite changing nature of politics, mood or the AAP effect. Under an effective and commanding leaders, the troops become effective too. New leaders/faces emerge and seek prominence and attention.

Baring a few, the BJP spokespeople and supporters on the TV debates look very effective, aggressive and uncompromising. They are almost saying "hamari marzi". They are listening to the Internet Hindus, and one can easily see the points flowing to them. Any sign that the BJP leaders are learning and utilizing them is very good sign.

AAP's rise and attention is very good for the country. Because, it will help BJP "further" reform itself & remove bad baggage. People's expectation and demands will have to be addressed by the political parties now. Congress will have to turn over too, if it has to survive.

If BJP wins 2014, I see a good future. Like MMS said.....good times ahead in 4 months. We just need to stock up on antacids till that time to deal with AAP, media and Congress. Modi already changed the political landscape in the last decade. 2013 has been very good for BJP and Modi - thereby the country. He needs to finish the run strong now. In the marathon, he has completed all the hard miles and entered the stadium with a few behind his feet now. He should watch out for anybody tripping him, and pick up the right partners.

Go Modi, clean BJP and set India on a glorious run.........

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 11 Jan 2014 22:33

NaMo style grievance redressing system:

Like this:
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-sw ... ve-1405061

And here is what they claim they have achieved:
http://gil.gujarat.gov.in/swagat.html

And this is proof (comments section and dates of posts-well past the publication date ergo no hanky panky lies) enough that even if the claims are exaggerated (which I expect NaMo to do

BTW) the mango people are actually involved and feel involved:

http://www.narendramodi.in/swagat-onlin ... rievances/

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 11 Jan 2014 22:38

Amol.D wrote:NDTV ticker says 'power bills have not been waived, its under consideration' ... another U turn by Kejriwal

Rolling blackout awaits the citizens of nai dilli in the summers for sure if all of the wet dreams of Farzi is implemented.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 11 Jan 2014 22:58

Amol.D wrote:NDTV ticker says 'power bills have not been waived, its under consideration' ... another U turn by Kejriwal

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 11 Jan 2014 23:13

RajeshA wrote:
Amol.D wrote:NDTV ticker says 'power bills have not been waived, its under consideration' ... another U turn by Kejriwal

This is awesome! K Turn! Is it okay to use it in my tweets, RajeshA-ji?

ManjaM · Post by **ManjaM** » 11 Jan 2014 23:19

RajeshA, i retweeted this hillarious tweet of yours.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 11 Jan 2014 23:44

Thanks for retweeting. Please use it as you wish!

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 12 Jan 2014 00:05

SwamyG wrote:The way I see it Modi has a great opportunity to purge BJP of ineffective, criminal and corrupt leaders and infuse the party with young, charismatic rising leaders who display some semblance of honesty, integrity and clean image. Granted a complete overhaul is impractical, Modi can effect a balance.

When questioned, he can cite changing nature of politics, mood or the AAP effect. Under an effective and commanding leaders, the troops become effective too. New leaders/faces emerge and seek prominence and attention.

Baring a few, the BJP spokespeople and supporters on the TV debates look very effective, aggressive and uncompromising. They are almost saying "hamari marzi". They are listening to the Internet Hindus, and one can easily see the points flowing to them. Any sign that the BJP leaders are learning and utilizing them is very good sign.

+1 Absolutely. He should use this opportunity to purge BJP of lazy, ineffective, anti-party/nation and "secular" individuals and replace them with those that have a zeal to improve the country

AAP's rise and attention is very good for the country. Because, it will help BJP "further" reform itself & remove bad baggage. People's expectation and demands will have to be addressed by the political parties now. Congress will have to turn over too, if it has to survive.

I see this as the only benefit of pAAP