India-US Strategic News and Discussion

vasu raya · Post by **vasu raya** » 11 Jan 2014 22:27

the mali, the dog and the associated comments, isn't it British Raj? and these people are from before the civil rights movement within USA who should have learned a thing or two from history

Bharara what are you gonna do about that mali?

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 11 Jan 2014 22:27

Mort Walker wrote:
Singha wrote:that facebook exchange on veg makes it very clear their sneering and disrespectful attitude toward the host country and its people.
these people have no contact with the real india barring their own scared security guards, mali, driver ever terrified of when memsahib will throw a tantrum and get them blacklisted in the consulate employment circuit. a tall cold one by the ACSA swimming pool , a crate of drinks duty free , that they can do. but thats it.

these people are utterly useless even from US pov of building any relationships here if that is part of the intent of embassy staff. maybe the bright ones get posted in other places and the Raj type dregs fight to get a indian posting and enjoy the indolent lifestyle and perks. I find it hard to believe avg level of consulate staff is this bad. I mean Khan sahib is a superpawa on the backs of these people

Not only that, but these people are doing a big disservice to the American taxpayer. If they don't like India - fine, but no they don't ask for another posting or ask for a demotion and go back home. The reason is they're getting a fat per-Diem or stipend and extra "hazardous duty" pay. This matter should be brought up to congress and question why is this so. What is really bad here is that these so called "diplomats" are engaging in religious slurs. I am sure they are not only violating DoS policy, but US laws as well.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 11 Jan 2014 22:29

Mort Walker wrote:
Singha wrote:that facebook exchange on veg makes it very clear their sneering and disrespectful attitude toward the host country and its people.
these people have no contact with the real india barring their own scared security guards, mali, driver ever terrified of when memsahib will throw a tantrum and get them blacklisted in the consulate employment circuit. a tall cold one by the ACSA swimming pool , a crate of drinks duty free , that they can do. but thats it.

these people are utterly useless even from US pov of building any relationships here if that is part of the intent of embassy staff. maybe the bright ones get posted in other places and the Raj type dregs fight to get a indian posting and enjoy the indolent lifestyle and perks. I find it hard to believe avg level of consulate staff is this bad. I mean Khan sahib is a superpawa on the backs of these people

Not only that, but these people are doing a big disservice to the American taxpayer. If they don't like India - fine, but no they don't ask for another posting or ask for a demotion and go back home. The reason is they're getting a fat per-Diem or stipend and extra "hazardous duty" pay. This matter should be brought up to congress and question why is this so. What is really bad here is that these so called "diplomats" are engaging in religious slurs. I am sure they are not only violating DoS policy, but US laws as well.

And Indian Laws as well.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 11 Jan 2014 22:30

I dont think anyone knows he cia or any other alphabet soup. His official post was likely dss which is a legitimate and necessary part of the consular staff. Dss are also called agents.

member_28108 · Post by **member_28108** » 11 Jan 2014 22:32

Well he admits what he is (a wh*re in an FB post himself !!)

rgosain · Post by **rgosain** » 11 Jan 2014 22:36

Anyway, he and his wife are unlikely to be accorded diplomatic status anywhere else after this. The tax authorities would do better by going against the foreign funded NGOs in India who participated in this and DK could consider initiating action against them in an Indian court. Would DK have loco standi to sue NGOs in India?

member_28108 · Post by **member_28108** » 11 Jan 2014 22:36

Many of these diplomats must be having dual roles. That is why when they are outed they are often removed as their cover is blown.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Jan 2014 22:37

Singha wrote:>> National Coalition of South Asian Organisations (NCSO), which comprises of nearly four dozen rights bodies.

seems to be quite the sunrise industry if south asians themselves have 4 dozen bodies devoted to human rights alone.

Can we have a compilation of the 4 doz outfits for reference please?

member_26011 · Post by **member_26011** » 11 Jan 2014 22:39

The original insult was the illegal arrest and custodial rape of an officer of the Indian Government with diplomatic immunity. Even if this immunity was discovered after the fact, the manner in which this was done including the trafficking of individuals from India, let alone the rationale for doing any of it, requires a hard look at whatever this relationship is supposed to be. It still hasn't been done. There isn't even an apology, and instead the NYTimes asks us why we are so upset.

We must simply look at what we give Pakistan for diplomatic benefits and hand the Americans the same benefits, no more no less. If they put up parking meters, we let the access roads to the US embassy be an alternate parking lot, some parts are pretty shady. If they arrest one of ours, we arrest one of theirs. If our kids need to go to US schools (and then be illegally arrested) then their kids need to go to Indian schools, but I assure you that the principal of that school might lay down his/her life before letting any pandu come arrest them in broad day light in front of their peers.

Apparently they care much about local laws which doesn't include smuggling pearls or beef. They don't care if there is workplace discrimination, or underpaying, for example, as long as "laws" are being followed. Paco probably eats more protein than the mali; I'll never forget that, ever. We have to remember this mindset is what we are up against.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 11 Jan 2014 22:41

Yes..go to saalt.org and click on meet the ncso link on the right.

The National Coalition of South Asian Organizations is a network of community-based organizations that believe in common principles related to social change, and that provide services to, work with, convene, organize and advocate for South Asians in the United States. SAALT currently coordinates the National Coalition.

New York
Adhikaar for Human Rights
Chhaya CDC
Coney Island Avenue Project
Council of Peoples Organization
Desis Rising Up and Moving
Khadijah’s Caravan
Saathi of Rochester
Sakhi for South Asian Women
SEVA Immigrant Community Advocacy Project- Desis Vote!
Shakti Peer Group
South Asian Council for Social Services
South Asian Health Initiative
South Asian Youth Action
The Sikh Coalition
Turning Point
United Sikhs
Sapna NYC
New Jersey
Manavi
South Asian Mental Health Awareness in Jersey
Connecticut
Sneha
Washington, DC Area
ASHA for Women
Counselors Helping (South) Asians/Indians
Sikh American Legal Defense and Education Fund
South Asian Americans Leading Together
South Asian Public Health Association
Georgia
Raksha
Florida
Sahara of South Florida
Illinois
Apna Ghar
Hamdard Center
Indo-American Center
South Asian American Policy and Research Institute
South Asian Progressive Action Collective
Michigan
MAI Family Services
Washington
Chaya
Trikone
California
Maitri
Narika
Satrang
South Asian Network
Texas
Daya
- See more at: http://saalt.org/the-coalition/meet-the ... Zoxz2.dpuf

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 11 Jan 2014 22:43

Ahem, perhaps people are being too sensitive or at best naive here.

Indians' racism is not that well hidden. I have come across unbelievable contempt for Blacks (on par with anything in Mississipi) and of course there's that little matter of intellectual arrogance over the average American and the questioning of their personal hygiene.

And what are those cows doing wandering and pooping in the cities? Why bother urbanising at all?

I will however comment that it is not that the cows in Delhi are skinny, it is more the cows in America are obese.

rgosain · Post by **rgosain** » 11 Jan 2014 22:45

What a cosy, incestuous bunch who seem to be afflicted with southasianitis.
If because of this, India is spared visits by SD South Asian envoys, then it wouldn't have been in vain. Just when India in 2001, had worked hard to rid itself of the South Asia tag, the, UPA because of their craveness, allowed the SD back in again.
Is it possible to sue NGOs or their associates in India for contempt of court and most of all for violating the rights of a diplomat. I am sure DK would stand a good chance in a civil action

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Jan 2014 22:47

chaanakya wrote:This Wyane fellow was running parallel investigation agency with about 426 staff. How India is allowing this large a contingent ??
http://www.financialexpress.com/news/de ... /1217706/2

Wayne, who has put in over 27 years of service in the US government and managed the more than 420 security staff and investigative officers at the mission in New Delhi, was the main liaison to Indian police agencies for high profile visits from the US and was the coordinator from the American side to the anti-terrorism assistance programme.
No Wonder he was instrumental in inaction by Delhi Police ACP who now needs to be investigated.

the Diplomatic Security Bureau since 1988, has worked in Thailand, Colombia, Niger, Singapore and Greece before being posted to India in 2010. He was in charge of the entire security and investigation team in India that included a “deputy regional security officer for investigations, four assistant regional security officers, two office management specialists, one residential security coordinator, six foreign service national investigators, 10 marine security guards and 400 local guard personnel”.

So in addition to running a Costco and recreation center, the US embassy is a fortress with over 400 guards? Whats going on?

Also looks like US diplomats by their own admission are running a smuggling operation and advertising in Facebook for the wares.

The Facebook postings show the SD needs to recall/transfer their diplomats to prevent further erosion and give sensitivity training to the new viceregal tendencies in their dipolmutts.

US PIOs should write to their Congressmen about how US SD personnel are a disservice to US interests abroad.

Might work better with Republicans as Admin is Democrats

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 11 Jan 2014 22:48

There is a difference between US and Indian diplomats and it is not hard to see why. Indian diplomats are some of the brightest ones , who have to clear multiple exams beating thousands of other candidates. From what I hear, the US diplomatic corps entrance is not that hard. And not many people take up these exams either. So what you get is basically below average crap like Alicia and Wayne. And in US, with all its claims of equality and law BS is still racist at heart. You just have to wait for the right moment when they think they are in company of like minded people for them to show their true colors. So it is not surprising that we have these racists in the US embassies and consulates. Probably, the ambassador might be a bit more polished, but she too will be no different from others.

Hariprasad · Post by **Hariprasad** » 11 Jan 2014 22:49

Looking at the facebook comments looks like racism comes naturally to these turds. We don't want these racist supremacists insensitive a$$holes on our soil. Kick them out ASAP.

Hariprasad · Post by **Hariprasad** » 11 Jan 2014 22:52

sanjaykumar wrote:Ahem, perhaps people are being too sensitive or at best naive here.

Indians' racism is not that well hidden. I have come across unbelievable contempt for Blacks (on par with anything in Mississipi) and of course there's that little matter of intellectual arrogance over the average American and the questioning of their personal hygiene.

And what are those cows doing wandering and pooping in the cities? Why bother urbanising at all?

I will however comment that it is not that the cows in Delhi are skinny, it is more the cows in America are obese.

These are not tourists. So please stop your = =

RKumar · Post by **RKumar** » 11 Jan 2014 22:59

Theo_Fidel wrote:How in heavens name was India giving 'special' treatment to these dumba$$ fools. Indefensible!!
Shows what influence gubo had. Bleaah!
Don't do it, and don't be awed by white skin....

I more reason to bring NaMo to power ... not only to show a middle finger but to do a cavity n strip search of massa diplomaats because they endanger the life of beloved dakku Gabbar Singh in the police cell ... pay back time for showing soooo much disrespect to the local law and culture of Mango people.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Jan 2014 23:11

I think US liberals don't understand that cavity search by law enforcement of humans is custodial rape. This is beyond their liberal thought process where anything by law enforcement is acceptable. Even the Supreme Court has endorsed this repugnant behavior which allows perverts to use this on suspects out of spite.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 11 Jan 2014 23:16

Actually cavity searches have been very controversial. Unfortunately beacuse most of the cavities searched are not lily white, progress has been slow. If white marijuana smoking college girls got the same tretment, heads would role.

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 11 Jan 2014 23:31

I dunno. They passed the trans-vaginal exam law. Which really IS rape with a solid object. White women think it will never happen to them and if it does they clam up about it.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 11 Jan 2014 23:37

Man.. those posts are just incredible..

comparing a gardener to a dog.. and say the dog has more protein in its diet.

"you just insulted their God"
"not the first time and wont be the last time either"

"third world country photographer needing to... himself out to the highest bidder"
"or something like that"

and this after the comment that only indian vegetarians can be rapists..

Its surreal, is what it is.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 11 Jan 2014 23:41

Privatized prisons have contracts with states that guarantee them a 90% occupancy rate - the states have to move a steady flow of prisoners into these institutions in order to fulfill the contract. In places where this is prevalent, look for more and more invasive tactics through which cops aggressively seek to round up prison fodder. This is not the America I was taught to believe in when I was growing up - that America is long dead - perhaps it never even existed in the first place. http://news.yahoo.com/police-turn-routi ... 33510.html
Readers comment

rgosain · Post by **rgosain** » 11 Jan 2014 23:45

It used to be said that a diplomat was someone who was sent abroad to lie for his state. Now that these views are in the public domain, how can they hope to continue their diplomatic activities in India, and would the SD have to withdraw them. Or does the SD share these views.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 11 Jan 2014 23:50

Exhibits for DK case filed by USDA PB

http://www.justice.gov/usao/nys/pressre ... hibits.pdf

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 11 Jan 2014 23:53

sanjaykumar wrote:[/i]http://news.yahoo.com/police-turn-routi ... 33510.html
Readers comment

Young and Eckert are suing the officers and the county for violating their constitutional rights, including the right to be free from unreasonable search and seizures under the Fourth Amendment. They argue in a complaint filed in a federal court on Friday that Young was “raped under the color of law” and that the officers’ conduct “shocks the conscience.”

“It’s embarrassing, it’s humiliating,” said Scott Palmer, the Dobbs’ attorney. “I was proud of them, they didn’t use pseudonyms, but now their names are forever known as victims of this very intimate, nasty search and it happened on video and it’s all over the world.”

The shame associated with the searches may prevent more victims from coming forward, Palmer said.

Sanjay · Post by **Sanjay** » 11 Jan 2014 23:53

rgosain, it depends if somebody to get the mainstream media in India to take this up.

Where's Vishnu Som when you need him !

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 11 Jan 2014 23:54

Theo_Fidel wrote:I dunno. They passed the trans-vaginal exam law. Which really IS rape with a solid object. White women think it will never happen to them and if it does they clam up about it.

huh??? race is not the issue there. it is to deter those non-fundamentalist christian women who have sex for pleasure. white or black does not matter.

rgosain · Post by **rgosain** » 11 Jan 2014 23:59

John Kerry has had a terrible year at the SD, and it isn't helped by his wife's illness. How did he ever intend to be president is a mystery.
From the debacle over Syria, Brazil, Ed Snowden, and the simmering tensions in the Far East , John Kerry has been rather inept and unfocused and his handling of this situation risks diluting the VCCR protocols. Obama should seek to replace him within the next 6 months

Sanjay the mainstream media in India is the problem and has been corroded and co-opted since 2004, and is unlikely to be much help. In the West the mainstream media is dying, or in the case of the Murdoch press under legal threat due to phone-hacking. This is a perfect opportunity for a new GOI to wring concessions regarding their conduct and content from them. After all market access has a price.

archan · Post by **archan** » 12 Jan 2014 00:07

sanjaykumar wrote:Ahem, perhaps people are being too sensitive or at best naive here.

Indians' racism is not that well hidden. I have come across unbelievable contempt for Blacks (on par with anything in Mississipi) and of course there's that little matter of intellectual arrogance over the average American and the questioning of their personal hygiene.

And what are those cows doing wandering and pooping in the cities? Why bother urbanising at all?

I will however comment that it is not that the cows in Delhi are skinny, it is more the cows in America are obese.

Dear amreeka rakshak,
If some Indians are racist, how does that make these "diplomats'" racism acceptable? I have lived in the USA for over a decade, I've seen all kinds of Americans. Some are gem of people, some retards. This is true for any society. These clowns are enjoying here on their taxpayer money and acting like they rule us. If they hate it so much, get the F outta here.
Now that you have drawn my attention to your profile, what's up with that free email address domain? Do all agents lack legit emails?

Karan Dixit · Post by **Karan Dixit** » 12 Jan 2014 00:09

Prasant wrote:Someone has put them on tumblr already.
http://racistdiplomatsusa.tumblr.com/

Wow! I am speechless. These bigots should be thankful for being American for there is no other country which would put them in high paying employment.

It will be interesting to see if Indian media will ever get hold of it.

Madhusudhan · Post by **Madhusudhan** » 12 Jan 2014 00:11

The tumblr site is awesome - I wish there were two versions though : One with the editorializing for some audiences, and one with just the raw information for other audiences.. I would like to share this widely but I think it will be better without the editorializing for some of my circles.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 12 Jan 2014 00:13

habal wrote:The husband is not totally overboard, he may well have skeletons in his closet and has his reasons for keeping quiet. It is eerily quiet.

[rhetorical]Is that a statement of fact?[/rhetorical]

Occam's razor is that he does not want to engage in "fasting in front of the American Consulate" kind of drama bazi.

Who can forget why Mr. Jaswant Singh had to become "Jassu Mithaiwala"?

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 12 Jan 2014 00:24

FYI wonlee ..
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Safe Horizon ‏@SafeHorizon 11m

“I only wish that #Khobragade would stand up in court and address the charges against her” #StandWithSangeeta http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/11/world ... .html?_r=1 …

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 12 Jan 2014 00:30

These clowns are enjoying here on their taxpayer money and acting like they rule us. If they hate it so much, get the F outta here.

There is a psychology of what can be termed 'expatriatism' that is group identity and solidarity that is very similar to fratenities on campus. I will extend that to groups that are in any clique. I have had white university researchers, after becoming familiar with me, refer to Blacks as niggers.As appaling as it is, the dynamic is a tribalism, that is, you are one of us. A non-nigger.

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 12 Jan 2014 00:42

sanjaykumar wrote: There is a psychology of what can be termed 'expatriatism' that is group identity and solidarity that is very similar to fratenities on campus. I will extend that to groups that are in any clique. I have had white university researchers, after becoming familiar with me, refer to Blacks as niggers.As appaling as it is, the dynamic is a tribalism, that is, you are one of us. A non-nigger.

Sirji,
That N word should not be used.
Gautam

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 12 Jan 2014 00:45

pankajs wrote:FYI wonlee ..
-------------------------------------->>
Safe Horizon ‏@SafeHorizon 11m

“I only wish that #Khobragade would stand up in court and address the charges against her” #StandWithSangeeta http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/11/world ... .html?_r=1 …

^ The photu selection of NYT artecal on DK is a dead give away to the slant of those who commissioned it .
Now with the digital SLRs 1000s of photus are being clicked on each journalistic occasion, So why a single photu is selected to front an artecal out of these 1000s of captured moments(themselves out of the infinite moments through which a person's expression subtly yet uncontrollably varies) is a very good question to pose when beginning to analyse the objectivity of an artecal.
Another good example of this business is NaMo vs Kejri vs Rahul's photus fronting the media space in the previous half decade.

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 12 Jan 2014 01:02

Anmol,

Great work! MSM can be manipulated with BS stories; which is so much the 1980s! I don't think these turds have the realization of the power and speed of social media in ferreting out information from multiple dimensions. Nowadays social media is reported as news!

So much for the hogwash of humane treatment of servants. What prevented her to provide nutritious food to the mali, if she could indulge the dog?

This woman is neither deserving of the loyalty of the mali or her dog. She is simply sub-human.

I wish these kind of folks and similar minded folks are OUTED for their callous, insensitive and racist attitudes. These folks should 'self-deport' themselves. I am sure there are enough data savy people who can mine the public information about all the diplomutts. Let them justify themselves to the public. Does the rot in the SD start from the top?

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 12 Jan 2014 01:06

This shows that Dr. K held firm. A misdemeanor charge would have allowed her to come to the US and apply for permanent residency on the basis of being married to a US citizen.
http://www.samachar.com/Khobragade-talk ... fggbb.html
U.S. offered reduced charge of misdemeanor
Narayan Lakshman
Our bottom lines on diplomat issue did not meet, says official
"In the case of former Indian Deputy Consul-General Devyani Khobragade, feverish closed-door negotiations between the Indian Embassy in Washington and the U.S. State Department to secure her right to avoid prosecution for visa fraud broke down by Thursday because India refused to accept a reduced criminal charge that the Department of Justice offered.......However, sources said on condition of anonymity, “A misdemeanour is still a criminal count… For us the idea that an Indian diplomat faces criminal charges was out of question.” Apparently the Indian point of view that even an option requiring Ms. Khobragade to plead guilty to a criminal charge and “pay $1” was unacceptable. As a result, sources said, “We tried everything in the book to see if our bottom lines met and our bottom lines did not meet.” ........"
Gautam

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 12 Jan 2014 01:09

Guys, I just saw a puke worthy viewpoint by Ajay Shukla on UnDyTv. The guy is either a total moron or a paid mouthpiece of US.

Ajay Shulka was claiming that DK wanted to accept some form of plea but MEA put a spanner in the works. And he says that was done to protect MEA turf instead of watching for Indian interests. With idiots like him on Indian media, do we need any condescending US newspaper editorials?

Madhusudhan · Post by **Madhusudhan** » 12 Jan 2014 01:20

Looking through those Facebook pages, there is one post from Feb of 2013 saying that her stay has been extended by 1 year. If so, the expulsion is just about moving their return date ahead by less than one month. Not much of a response really.....