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I think they soon will get early retirement and fade away.
A quiet review of BDS will happen and sensitivity training will be flowed to all Sd personnel
Did anyone note the pompous note in TOIlet describing BDS agents? Maybe they should have taken over from SS while protecting Kennedy in Texas.
A quiet review of BDS will happen and sensitivity training will be flowed to all Sd personnel
Did anyone note the pompous note in TOIlet describing BDS agents? Maybe they should have taken over from SS while protecting Kennedy in Texas.
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I think one more reason for choosing DK could also be sexist. Those May's though how much ever despice 'Dorkies' many I know Rednecks have a secret admiration for Indian women who are not obese. Here a young (39 is young by american standards) and good looking girl is employing a slave, she has a good looking hubby, and beautiful and I.telligent daughters who are non obese leading a perfectly American life in New York city, is sure a cause of much heart burn for May's. In fact, I came across many Americans when was working there, who felt extremely jealous of me, as I was a bachelor, I go on a vacation, and come back married to a beautiful wife. It is simply unimaginable for them that we dorkies can get such beautiful young wife so effortlessly, and our life style suddenly changing to more American( big SUV, big house, wife's pregnancy etc., and those parties in home with huge Indian crowd simply overwhelms tjhem.especially when we dont charge them for Food and Beverages. Many whites used to admire us but the Rednecks used to feel extremely jealous. Especiallythe obese ones. Ma.y times they asked over my face"how can u get such beautiful wife so effortlelssly, Mosy of them were in 40's and 50's . When wife starts to go ffor work as either my parents or my in-laws used to care of my kids, their jealousy reaches nadir. They uaed give advises against sending wife for work and in fact there used to be brain washing sessions to my wife a.d my parents. I owly cut them down. But experience hAs been that the Rednwcks arw extrwmely jealous of auccessful indian ladiea who are good looking a nd you.g
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anmol wrote:www.business-standard.com/article/pti-s ... 078_1.html
Expelled diplomat's comments doesn't represent Gov position:US
by Press Trust of India | Washingto, business-standard.com
January 14th 2014
Awesome job Anmol...Congrats!!!
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The Americans have mocked India's judicial system
'Evacuating' Devyani's maid's family from India on T visas -- associated with severe sex or labour trafficking... The maximum number of persons thus evacuated by the US from foreign countries last year was from India.'
'A thorough investigation of this is required at India's end,' says former foreign secretary Kanwal Sibal, 'with the US warned that such interference in India's judicial system will not be tolerated.'
India's then deputy consul general in New York, Devyani Khobragade, was indicted by a grand jury for her so-called crime of visa fraud and underpayment of wages to her maid, given full diplomatic immunity by the State Department upon her transfer to India's United Nations mission, and expelled from the United States.
It brings to a tangled closure an episode that has badly fouled up the atmosphere of US-India relations.
Some may argue that this was the only viable compromise that could be forged, given the determination of the US side to punish her, its procrastination in finding an early way out and in the process allowing public antagonism towards the US in India to grow, and the matching determination on the Indian side not to permit the US to get away with this deliberate affront to India's dignity and its sovereignty.
The US has, it can be argued, upheld its labour laws, made the point that foreign diplomats violating them are liable for legal action, but has been forced to end the impasse with India by granting Dr Khobragade full diplomatic immunity upon being accredited to India's UN mission as enjoined by its headquarters agreement with the UN.
The solution found has, however, left many loose ends and many questions unanswered.
To understand why this incident occurred, it needs recalling that already it was being bemoaned in expert circles on both sides that the relationship had lost its momentum and was not living up to its promise.
India, it was being said, was not in focus in the White House anymore, and in the State Department pro-India hands that were nurturing the relationship were no longer in position.
The recent Congressional campaign by the US corporate sector against India's tax, patent and market-access related policies have rattled the Indian side, not to mention the tightening of the visa regime for Indian information technology professionals.
This explains in part the cavalier way in which the US treated Dr Khobragade and the strong Indian reaction.
The inherent inequalities in US-India bilateral relations have been exposed by this incident. The US constantly judges others politically and morally by the yardstick of its supposedly loftier values -- an exercise seen as self-serving and hypocritical by those at the receiving end.
Indian feelings have been exacerbated all the more over this incident because the US has sought to provide the protection of its supposedly superior laws to exploited foreign nationals and has dismissed the infliction of personal indignities such as strip-searching a foreign woman diplomat as 'standard operating procedure'.
Since the US freely pronounces on the legitimacy of laws of foreign countries, it is time others summoned the US to get rid of its 'standard operating procedures' that offend human dignity.
It is now apparent that the State Department in collusion with the US embassy in New Delhi were primarily responsible for the arrest of India's diplomat. Even more serious in some ways than her arrest is the manner in which the Americans have mocked India's judicial system by 'evacuating' the maid's family from India on T visas -- associated with severe sex or labour trafficking.
It would seem that the maximum number of persons evacuated by the US from foreign countries last year was from India -- one-third out of a total of 151.
It is astonishing that India's government has been unaware of this egregious conduct by the US government and its missions in India.
A thorough investigation of this is required at India's end, with the US warned that such interference in India's judicial system will not be tolerated and those in its missions involved in the issuance of such visas will open themselves to legal action.
Our immigration authorities should be ordered to prevent any Indian leaving the country on a T visa by declaring such visas illegal.
US authorities, its media and some Indian Americans are finding excuses for the crass manner in which India's diplomat in the US has been treated.
US labour laws have been arbitrarily extended to the domestic staff of foreign diplomats travelling on official passports, in violation of the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations.
The decision to exclude housing, food, clothing, travel, medical expenses from the package offered to such domestic staff is misconceived.
The US is getting away with this because of its superpower status. Those belabouring errant Indian diplomats for flouting US laws should keep this in view.
Ironically, for all of its posturing, the US ignores the reality that its diplomats in India pay 'slave' wages to their local domestic staff, not to mention the pittance they give as salaries to the local staff employed in their missions.
Which is why the US embassy is dragging its feet in giving information to the ministry of external affairs on wages and salaries being paid to Indians in its employment.
The argument that the US is not violating local laws by not paying them minimum US wages is morally hollow, as it implies that they can exploit foreign labour in disregard of their own minimum standards, but will take punitive legal action even against foreign nationals in the US who employ their own nationals as domestic staff at wages much higher than normal Indian standards.
To then deflect attention from Devyani's case by bringing in issues of social inequalities in India, the addiction of the Indian middle class to domestic servants and their frequent maltreatment, is to suggest that there is perfect equality in the US and that the Americans have such a superior sense of human dignity that they do not employ maids even when they can afford them. And that all cases of underpayment result in strip-searches by US marshals.
The US is also trying to obfuscate the enormity of what it has done to the Indian diplomat by trying to shift the focus to India's decision to withdraw the security barriers 'surrounding' the US embassy, which is a canard because a public road that had been taken over by the US embassy and incorporated into its compound to make it comfortable for its personnel to access the embassy club has been re-opened to traffic, but with security barriers alongside the embassy's walls and police presence still in place.
The security barriers along nine other embassy compound walls remain and traffic on nine roads adjoining the embassy walls has never been stopped.
These facts are being conveniently overlooked in the propaganda being disseminated by US authorities. The decision not to allow the embassy to continue misusing its diplomatic privileges in various ways is being termed as 'petty' unbecoming of a democracy and a would-be great power.
Such patronising and condescending editorials in the US mainstream press show how self-centred, narrow-minded and insular Americans can be, even those with a window on the world.
It is, of course, not petty for the US to magnify a minor wage dispute into a huge visa fraud issue, to agree to deport the maid at one stage in writing and then inexplicably change its mind because someone wanted to teach Indian diplomats a lesson and to ignore the judicial process against the maid in India.
The US has, of course, been above the kind of pettiness India has shown, in disregarding the fact that Dr Khobragade, seconded as an adviser to our UN delegation, enjoyed full diplomatic immunity, to keep the Indian government in the dark about its intentions towards her, to spirit away the maid's family two days before the arrest, to be unwilling to acknowledge that handcuffing and strip-searching a foreign woman diplomat is unacceptable, and, for the edification of outraged Indians, to differentiate between a visual examination of her cavities and digital insertion in them, as if the choice of the former is notably large-hearted.
By the same token, Secretary John Kerry has shown remarkable generosity in expressing regret over the incident, or the 'circumstances' of the incident as the US ambassador to India has said. In other words, the deputy consul general regrettably created the issue which forced the US to react against its better judgment.
The statement of the US ambassador was also inept, as it implied that the incident should be set aside and the two countries should now carry on business as usual. In other words, minimising the gravity of the incident.
Of course, all sensible persons would agree that this incident should not damage the bilateral relationship beyond all proportions.
India and the US are engaged in numerous dialogues on key strategic, geopolitical, defense, technology, economic, energy, educational and other issues.
The agenda is far-reaching. Yet, on this sensitive issue the dialogue between the two countries has dragged on unreasonably.
It is necessary to have a bilateral agreement on immunities for diplomats of the two countries working in consulates. The status of domestic staff accompanying our diplomats has to be clearly defined through a bilateral agreement.
Diplomatic ties must be restructured on the basis of strict reciprocity.
By being petty-minded on a minor legal issue, the US has neither conducted itself as a great power nor as India's strategic partner.
Kanwal Sibal is a former foreign secretary of India.
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Reminds me of 'Invisible Man' by Ellison (sp?).LokeshC wrote:^^^ yep, the next step we should await is the enactment of rule#4 in the rulebook:
Wait for (f)articles from MUTUs and HouseSlaves in Indian media and US media to "educate" us Indians how we are over-reacting and how Mays are just "frustrated" with India and our "lackadaisical attitude". These articles will be topped with the false propaganda that most of what the Mays vomited on FB was "correct" and how they were "well meaning", and end with how we can improve those situations so that future lords in the US embassy may not complain so much.FOURTH RULE
When a black person or group makes a statement or takes an action that the white community or vocal components thereof deem "outrageous," the latter will actively recruit blacks willing to refute the statement or condemn the action. Blacks who respond to the call to condemnation will receive superstanding status. The blacks who refuse to be recruited will be interpreted as endorsing the statements and action and may suffer political or economic reprisals.
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one comment on Alicia May's FB page was how the view of a landscape looks like Cairo, it was probably made by a friend who served in Cairo and in the below article by Brahma Chellaney, he says
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/ar ... epage=true
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/ar ... epage=true
fast forward to the political lanscape in today's EgyptFor the U.S., displacing Russia as India’s largest arms supplier has been a diplomatic coup. Rarely before has America acquired a major arms client of such size so rapidly. The U.S.’s India success indeed parallels what happened in the early 1970s when Egypt switched sides during the Cold War, transforming itself from a Soviet arms client to becoming reliant on American arms supplies. The difference is that unlike the perpetually aid-dependent Egypt, India buys weapons with its own money.
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Here a young (39 is young by american standards) and good looking girl is employing a slave, she has a good looking hubby, and beautiful and I.telligent...
I should not get into this. Neuropolitics is driven by money and comeliness. Because we are evolutionarily hardwired that way. So no 'blame'.
The average American does not know what to make of wheat complexioned handsome people who claim they are from India-because they don't look like the NGO stereotype of our unfortunate starving sun burnt brethren. I had one exquisitely fine featured very dark Tamil tell me once that they ask him 'you are not one of them are you?' referring to Black people.
But I disagree that they are 'jealous'. I have had people tell me 'you have a beautiful family'.
It should be the civilised man's job to extend such comments to all races and all peoples.
I should not get into this. Neuropolitics is driven by money and comeliness. Because we are evolutionarily hardwired that way. So no 'blame'.
The average American does not know what to make of wheat complexioned handsome people who claim they are from India-because they don't look like the NGO stereotype of our unfortunate starving sun burnt brethren. I had one exquisitely fine featured very dark Tamil tell me once that they ask him 'you are not one of them are you?' referring to Black people.
But I disagree that they are 'jealous'. I have had people tell me 'you have a beautiful family'.
It should be the civilised man's job to extend such comments to all races and all peoples.
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Re: The invisible man.
Many themes in post colonial African thought and also many ideas from anti-racist and black literature can be directly applied to how Indian elites think and function.
The reasons are again due to a "non-violent" exit of the briturds (non-violent to the turds and their power structure left behind in India, however extremely violent towards the middle/lower class Indians via the partition and direct action etc). The power structure that the turds used are psychologically identical to Malcolm X's description of a house slave. A colonized person who is culturally disconnected from the larger population, yet looks like any other colonized person. A very convenient tool to oppress and rule over the 'natives'
The current generation of our elites are descended from this class and unfortunately they are intellectually bankrupt on top of being culturally disconnected. In effect they borrow ideas from the west and apply it to India without trying to adapt and change to the situation on the ground(sekooolarism koolaid for example).
This results in very predictable behavior (of admiration and prostration) towards the west. It is also the reason why Indian elites do not feel as much when the shove India under the bus to get brownie points from the west, since the west holds the economic and political control of the very ideas that our elite peddle as the solution to our woes. ( Amartya Sen for ex.)
This is the same reason why mediocre people from the west feel like superheros when they visit India. They are pampered to the point of actually believing the bullshit that they are "special". They soon start deluding themselves that they really are the source of power in India and they can move mountains if they so desired.
This is the reason why I keep a distance from a white person who has been in India for long. They become delusional and snooty and slowly start believing that since LokeshC also has a brown skin, LokeshC must also treat them as "special" and pamper them. Usually I end up putting them in their place, usually aided by their dismal knowledge of their own history. This usually does not sit well with them and creates tension.
Many themes in post colonial African thought and also many ideas from anti-racist and black literature can be directly applied to how Indian elites think and function.
The reasons are again due to a "non-violent" exit of the briturds (non-violent to the turds and their power structure left behind in India, however extremely violent towards the middle/lower class Indians via the partition and direct action etc). The power structure that the turds used are psychologically identical to Malcolm X's description of a house slave. A colonized person who is culturally disconnected from the larger population, yet looks like any other colonized person. A very convenient tool to oppress and rule over the 'natives'
The current generation of our elites are descended from this class and unfortunately they are intellectually bankrupt on top of being culturally disconnected. In effect they borrow ideas from the west and apply it to India without trying to adapt and change to the situation on the ground(sekooolarism koolaid for example).
This results in very predictable behavior (of admiration and prostration) towards the west. It is also the reason why Indian elites do not feel as much when the shove India under the bus to get brownie points from the west, since the west holds the economic and political control of the very ideas that our elite peddle as the solution to our woes. ( Amartya Sen for ex.)
This is the same reason why mediocre people from the west feel like superheros when they visit India. They are pampered to the point of actually believing the bullshit that they are "special". They soon start deluding themselves that they really are the source of power in India and they can move mountains if they so desired.
This is the reason why I keep a distance from a white person who has been in India for long. They become delusional and snooty and slowly start believing that since LokeshC also has a brown skin, LokeshC must also treat them as "special" and pamper them. Usually I end up putting them in their place, usually aided by their dismal knowledge of their own history. This usually does not sit well with them and creates tension.
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I found the best way to send such superiority to southern orifices, jahtphat, was to regale them about India's history. Gave them a lovely feeling of inferiority and khujli!LokeshC wrote:Re: The invisible man.
*snip*
Usually I end up putting the in their place, usually aided by their dismal knowledge of their own history. This usually does not sit well with them and creates tension.
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Rec'd by email from Foreign Policy Briefing:
Khobragade defense submits case, diplomat speaks to press
Devyani Khobragade's lawyer submitted a four-page motion in a U.S. court on Monday, seeking dismissal of the case against the diplomat for allegedly underpaying her domestic worker, now that Khobragade has acquired immunity (NDTV). In its indictment before a grand jury on Thursday, the prosecution alleged that the diplomat had Sangeeta Richard enter into two contracts -- one which was used in her visa application, and in which the diplomat said she would pay Richard $9.75 per hour for 40 hours work per week, and another which set out the "true" terms of her employment, in which Richard was paid roughly $573 per month regardless of overtime hours. Khobragade's lawyer argued that the second contract did not replace the first one. "It simply guaranteed that a portion of the funds discussed and promised to be paid during the signing of the first contract would be paid in India," he wrote in an email to the Wall Street Journal (WSJ).
Khobragade defense submits case, diplomat speaks to press
Devyani Khobragade's lawyer submitted a four-page motion in a U.S. court on Monday, seeking dismissal of the case against the diplomat for allegedly underpaying her domestic worker, now that Khobragade has acquired immunity (NDTV). In its indictment before a grand jury on Thursday, the prosecution alleged that the diplomat had Sangeeta Richard enter into two contracts -- one which was used in her visa application, and in which the diplomat said she would pay Richard $9.75 per hour for 40 hours work per week, and another which set out the "true" terms of her employment, in which Richard was paid roughly $573 per month regardless of overtime hours. Khobragade's lawyer argued that the second contract did not replace the first one. "It simply guaranteed that a portion of the funds discussed and promised to be paid during the signing of the first contract would be paid in India," he wrote in an email to the Wall Street Journal (WSJ).
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Anmol
You showed how dedication and technical skills can bring down recalcitrant, antediluvian diplomats.
Truly a lesson for all of us.
You made the superpower distance itself from its bigotted employees.
It shows American diplomats are indulging in racial sterotgpjng abroad under Obama.
You showed how dedication and technical skills can bring down recalcitrant, antediluvian diplomats.
Truly a lesson for all of us.
You made the superpower distance itself from its bigotted employees.
It shows American diplomats are indulging in racial sterotgpjng abroad under Obama.
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I think again it was on BRF the number of T visas issued to India was brought out.
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http://www.gossipguru.in/a-hush-hush-deal-with-the-us
What is this guy saying?
A hush-hush deal with the US
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What is this guy saying?
A hush-hush deal with the US
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anmol,
I think this is the most direct and visbile impact BR has caused of such magnitude. All credit goes to you. Congratulations!!!
I think this is the most direct and visbile impact BR has caused of such magnitude. All credit goes to you. Congratulations!!!
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Anmolji, you are truly anmol 

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You been drinkin' ?TKiran wrote:But experience hAs been that the Rednwcks arw extrwmely jealous of auccessful indian ladiea who are good looking a nd you.g
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Would that mean Starr is CIA India head?
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Read again.He is head of BDS.
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Just as we recognize that social media could expose vulnerabilities that may be limited in damage to one or more individuals, we should also recognize the power it gives US to make its targets vulnerable on social media. It may be difficult to deny a doctored set of messages (especially from past) posted on social media and target unable to convince his audience satisfactorily that those messages were not his/hers.
There needs to be a mechanism to take a (legit) copy of your comments that will deny the hosting company (FB, TWT, GOOG, YHOO etc) and the agencies the above capability.
There needs to be a mechanism to take a (legit) copy of your comments that will deny the hosting company (FB, TWT, GOOG, YHOO etc) and the agencies the above capability.
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In Furor Over Diplomat, India Avoids Legacy Of Suffering
In Furor Over Diplomat, India Avoids Legacy Of Suffering
Comedy article. Author after visiting India still unable to understand India and society.
In Furor Over Diplomat, India Avoids Legacy Of Suffering
Comedy article. Author after visiting India still unable to understand India and society.
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It appears that PB's belligerence was due to the very real fear of receiving an interpol RCN after he had helped in kidnapping Indian citizens (SR's family members). He may look tough but in reality he is trying to save his posterior. An agreement to remove cases against SR will remove the causus belle for issuance of summons from courts and subsequent RCN. So it appears that the gossipguru guy's story has some truth to it.
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and check this false inforajanb wrote:Rec'd by email from Foreign Policy Briefing:
Khobragade defense submits case, diplomat speaks to press
Devyani Khobragade's lawyer submitted a four-page motion in a U.S. court on Monday, seeking dismissal of the case against the diplomat for allegedly underpaying her domestic worker, now that Khobragade has acquired immunity (NDTV). In its indictment before a grand jury on Thursday, the prosecution alleged that the diplomat had Sangeeta Richard enter into two contracts -- one which was used in her visa application, and in which the diplomat said she would pay Richard $9.75 per hour for 40 hours work per week, and another which set out the "true" terms of her employment, in which Richard was paid roughly $573 per month regardless of overtime hours. Khobragade's lawyer argued that the second contract did not replace the first one. "It simply guaranteed that a portion of the funds discussed and promised to be paid during the signing of the first contract would be paid in India," he wrote in an email to the Wall Street Journal (WSJ).
http://www.firstpost.com/world/us-trade ... 38231.html
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US State Department Daily Press Briefing comments on the gross violation of the diplomatic immunity of our diplomat Ms. Devyani Khobragade and also comments on the anti India postings on social media of New Delhi based US diplomats, the husband and wife duo of Wayne May and Alicia Muller May:
ClickyMarie Harf
Deputy Spokesperson
Daily Press Briefing
Washington, DC
January 13, 2014 ………………………
QUESTION: Since the return of Ms. Khobragade to India, I was wondering if there were – have been any discussions between Washington and Delhi, and more broadly, whether you see any efforts to repair relations after this incident.
MS. HARF: Well, I think, at this point, clearly – look, clearly this has been a challenging time in the U.S.-India relationship. We expect that this time will come to a closure, though. I think we’re increasingly getting towards that point, and that together we will now take significant steps with the Indian Government to improve our relationship and return it to a more constructive place. I think that we have talked at length about the situation for weeks now, and what we’re focused on is the situation coming to an end and moving forward.
QUESTION: Have there been any discussions since Friday, since – between the two countries?
MS. HARF: I’m happy to check. Well, I do have just one to note. Acting Under Secretary Gottemoeller met today with the Indian ambassador to the U.S. this morning to discuss our bilateral cooperation. She stressed that it is critical that both sides refocus our attention on the broad agenda before us, and as would make sense for the Acting Under Secretary, underscore the importance of increasing bilateral cooperation on nonproliferation, defense, and arms control. So this is just an example of an issue we’ve worked together with each other on all the time, a routine issue. This is the kind of business we just need to get back to, quite frankly, now that this is hopefully coming to an end.
India?
QUESTION: Yes.
MS. HARF: Mm-hmm.
QUESTION: Follow-up on India first. On the significant steps that you said, what are the significant steps U.S. is planning to take now to improve the relationship?
MS. HARF: Well, I think we’ve – on all sides, we have to take significant steps. It’s not just the U.S., it’s the Indians as well. I can check and see if there’s any more details on what those are, but we work together on a wide range of issues that we’ve talked about in here since the beginning of this, whether it’s, as I said, arms control, nonproliferation, whether it’s Afghanistan, whether it’s energy, economic issues. We just want to get back to business and we want to put this behind us, and we want both sides to work together to move the relationship forward.
QUESTION: And what are your expectations from Indian sides?
MS. HARF: I think the Indian Government can probably speak for themself on that.
QUESTION: On the diplomat who was asked to leave from India, a lot of names – one name is in circulation. Can you confirm that name?
MS. HARF: Due to privacy considerations, I don’t have anything further to share – or anything to share, I should say, not further – on who the person is or any other details on them.
QUESTION: And there are a lot of reports in the social media and some media also have reporting on the Facebook account of that particular official, the comments about the culture of that particular country. Have you seen that?
MS. HARF: I haven’t seen the comments. I’ve seen the reports of them. Those comments absolutely do not reflect U.S. Government policy, nor were they made on any official U.S. Government social media account. I don’t have more comment than that. Again, I would underscore that these do not in any way represent the U.S. Government position.
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Maybe that guy is a non-resident american, mir jaffar, sickular traitor congi ? lifafa journalism !!!Sagar G wrote:A few !!!! America has a history of bigotry and a number of Americans are regularly dissed on this forum and you are saying a "few" !!!! The article posted just a few posts before has been written by a pure bred American gora what do you have to say about his views ???vina wrote:Indeed. But so don't the bad actions of a few! All I am saying, don't tar the entire American society with the Wayne and Alicia May brush. Do be a little smart about it.
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It will have exactly no effect.TSJones wrote: So go ahead keep the retaliation innuendo going. It's sure to get you what you want.
When the US wants to keep a country close, the GOTUS mollycoddles and bribes diplomats and influential people from that country. When the US does not need a country to implement its foreign policy or import anything important, then a Khobragade type relationship would be unsurprising. House slaves like Bharara, who are more loyal to the US than George Washington are there in considerable numbers to help out.
The hurt that I feel is only because US behaviour is so boorish and so much in contrast with the widely publicized American portrayal of the US possessing a degree of culture and decency. When it comes to acting like assholes, Indians can be right up there with America. It is nice to be transparent to each other.
The real danger about being nasty to American diplomats and citizens is that the US may willingly sacrifice its own diplomats/citizens for its relationship with the country. That would be very worrying. That is what the US does with its real allies, countries who have consistently and loyally helped America fight for freedom and justice in this world, like Pakistan.
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http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 078_1.html
Harf says she has not seen those comments !!
What does she think we people are !! Of course they must have read it to hurriedly remove the FB pages!!

Harf says she has not seen those comments !!



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shiv wrote:It will have exactly no effect.TSJones wrote: So go ahead keep the retaliation innuendo going. It's sure to get you what you want.
When the US wants to keep a country close, the GOTUS mollycoddles and bribes diplomats and influential people from that country. When the US does not need a country to implement its foreign policy or import anything important, then a Khobragade type relationship would be unsurprising. House slaves like Bharara, who are more loyal to the US than George Washington are there in considerable numbers to help out.
The hurt that I feel is only because US behaviour is so boorish and so much in contrast with the widely publicized American portrayal of the US possessing a degree of culture and decency. When it comes to acting like assholes, Indians can be right up there with America. It is nice to be transparent to each other.
The real danger about being nasty to American diplomats and citizens is that the US may willingly sacrifice its own diplomats/citizens for its relationship with the country. That would be very worrying. That is what the US does with its real allies, countries who have consistently and loyally helped America fight for freedom and justice in this world, like Pakistan.

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Or typing on a smartphoneKLP Dubey wrote:You been drinkin' ?TKiran wrote:But experience hAs been that the Rednwcks arw extrwmely jealous of auccessful indian ladiea who are good looking a nd you.g
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saip wrote:Congrats, Anmol! Now the US Govt too distanced itself.
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sunilUpa wrote:Awesome job Anmol...Congrats!!!
ramana wrote:Anmol
You showed how dedication and technical skills can bring down recalcitrant, antediluvian diplomats.
Truly a lesson for all of us.
You made the superpower distance itself from its bigotted employees.
It shows American diplomats are indulging in racial sterotgpjng abroad under Obama.
rgsrini wrote:anmol,
I think this is the most direct and visbile impact BR has caused of such magnitude. All credit goes to you. Congratulations!!!
LokeshC wrote:Anmolji, you are truly anmol
Thank you, though I am still a newb rakshak but I have learnt a LOT for you.matrimc wrote:Thanks and Congrats to Anmol.
Also, credit for this goes to all the Rakshaks who took this to their contacts(Muthry Saar), and BRFites on Twitter :- https://twitter.com/Panduranghari1/brf/members
A tip of the hat to them.
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http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/expel ... -us-470746www.sify.com/news/the-mays-noble-diplom ... ifidj.html
The Mays: Noble diplomats or self-important racists?
sify.com
The family of the maid had worked in the US embassy in Delhi for several years and was presumably close to Wayne May.
While some have taken this to mean that Wayne May was possibly a good Samaritan who was overwhelmed with the need to help innocent lower class Indians being 'oppressed' by their upper class masters, Wayne's own behavior and comments on social media sites gives a strange, almost opposite, world-view.
The diplomat's Facebook account was accessed and screen shots of various posts were put up a few days earlier on a Tumblr blog called 'Racist American Diplomats'.
It appears to reveal a circle of friends and co-workers, who, at the best of times, were suffering culture shock and at the worst of times, were blatantly racist – mocking local traditions, gods, the people, the tea and practically everything they laid their eyes on.
A common thread underlying nearly all the posts was the lament that they, and others posted in areas like Afghanistan, were not posted in richer, Western countries, but instead had to suffer various indignities, real or imagined, in third world countries.
Some of the comments and complaints are ones that all Indians will heartily agree with – dirty roads, bad infrastructure, the crowds, the stares at women etc. And most of the complaining appears to be done by Wayne's wife, Alicia, and some friends.
However it does make an interesting read into the mindset of those who are, at least in theory, here to increase and help ties between India and the United States.
Sify.com cannot verify the authenticity of the screen shots. Wayne May's actual Facebook and other social media pages have been cleansed of photos and comments since the Tumblr blog began to gain notice.
Some samples -
The most eye-catching post was in reaction to an Indian textbook claiming that meat-eaters 'steal, fight and turn to violence and sex crimes'. While the text book, an example of saffron creeping into education, was undoubtedly wrong, and kicked up a huge row when it was discovered, the story apparently was taken very personally by Alicia May.
Not only did she share the story, she went on clarify that in India – a 'bizarre' place, most of the raping was done by vegetarians. She also defended her own vegetarian friends by adding a clause that this rule only applied to Indian vegetarians, not Western ones.
One more post begins innocently enough, with a picture of the diplomat's dog seated beside an Indian gardener. But one of their friends was quick to point out that the dog looked bigger than the man, and was probably better fed as well.
Alicia May rejoined that the dog certainly weighs more than the man, since the dog gets 'a bit more protein' in its diet.
It would seem the diplomats, once in India, could not resist from in indulging in some happy stereotyping, with one of their first photos being of cows on the road under the caption “Welcome to India.”
The comments on the photo do not help either, with many mocking Indian beliefs that hold cows sacred and farce warnings to not eat the 'sacred cow'.
Another thread begins with Alicia May commenting on her red nail polish, and then spirals into questions about whether it was nail polish or 'betel nut spit' before finally ending in a mock against the Hindu god Shiva, who, in spite of being installed around a park, could not apparently stop a crow from attacking a squirrel.
A strange complaint was Alicia May and her friends dislike of tea. In a post about a visit to a local mosque, where they were served tea as a courtesy, the banter revolved around how all the tea they were served in India was undrinkable and 'rancid' but they had to suffer through it for appearances' sake.
There are several more – some of which a legitimate complaints and others which is just light-hearted banter of the sort we all engage in a foreign and strange land.
But the overall picture it portrays is quite strange indeed.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 772045.cms
http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 128_1.html
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/devy ... 36064.html
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Exceptional job Anmol ji. This is wonderful.
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US downgrade may hurt Air India, Jet alliances
http://www.livemint.com/Companies/3y4ku ... ances.html
If the US wishes to cut off market access by using Non Trade Barriers, at the bare minimum, the Javelin,C17 and Apache deals should be scrapped. BTW pressure is being put through Gelf countries, via Jet Airways, to get GOI to heel to Massan commands on various spheres, economic and political.
http://www.livemint.com/Companies/3y4ku ... ances.html
If the US wishes to cut off market access by using Non Trade Barriers, at the bare minimum, the Javelin,C17 and Apache deals should be scrapped. BTW pressure is being put through Gelf countries, via Jet Airways, to get GOI to heel to Massan commands on various spheres, economic and political.
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The immortalization of the Mays in the Google hall of shame continues ...
http://en-maktoob.news.yahoo.com/damage ... 59349.html
http://en-maktoob.news.yahoo.com/damage ... 59349.html
Wayne May and his wife Alicia Muller May, who worked as the US embassy's community liaison officer, both made snide remarks in social media about "holy cows" blocking roads,"No eating the sacred cows" and vaious Indian local customs.
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Dean Nelson tried to weasel out of misrepresenting what anmol got from their public profile as "hacking" and finally backed out:
Nishan_t Bhajaria @_nishantjb 3h
@DelhiDean Letter to your editors sent. You can redefine "hacking" all you want but you've been caught in a lie here.
Dean Nelson
@DelhiDean
@_nishantjb Fair point. I didn't mean hacking in the sense of anything illegal. i'll change it
Nishan_t Bhajaria @_nishantjb 3h
@DelhiDean Letter to your editors sent. You can redefine "hacking" all you want but you've been caught in a lie here.
Dean Nelson
@DelhiDean
@_nishantjb Fair point. I didn't mean hacking in the sense of anything illegal. i'll change it
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Alicia May has not been expelled yet ?? What is this government waiting for ?
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Good to see Indian taking on these so called 1st word turds and calling out their lies.
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Straight faced lie.sivab wrote:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 767404.cms
Their digital presence has now been largely scrubbed. May did not respond to a message last Friday when this paper first reviewed the social media entries of the husband-wife, shortly before they hit public domain.
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Well Anmol You made US Govt to respond to Social media vomit of May Couples.anmol wrote:www.business-standard.com/article/pti-s ... 078_1.html
Expelled diplomat's comments doesn't represent Gov position:US
by Press Trust of India | Washingto, business-standard.com
January 14th 2014
"Those comments absolutely do not reflect US Government policy, nor were they made on any official US Government social media account," State Department Deputy Spokesperson, Marie Harf, told reporters at her daily news conference.
Harf was responding to questions on the Facebook postings by American diplomat Wayne May and her spouse Alicia Muller in which they allegedly make offence comments about India and appear to be insensitive to the Indian culture.
Citing privacy reasons, the State Department official refused to identify the diplomat who was asked to leave India last week. But Indian sources have identified them as Wayne May and Alicia Muller May. The couples were not available for reaction.
Harf said she has not seen the comments.
"I've seen the reports of them... Again, I would underscore that these do not in any way represent the US Government position," she said.
US has distanced itself from the alleged offencive comments made by its diplomat, who was last week expelled by India in a tit-for-tat action following arrest of a senior Indian diplomat in New York last month.
Hats off to you.
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This opens up the question of how many traps are laid for our diplomats in US and elsewhere to be sprung at opportune time?? We should do a 360 review of Diplomats posted in US elsewhere and find out vulnerabilities they are exposed to and remedy them pronto. We should also find out the propensities of Diplomats to find post retirement jobs in US or if they are exposed due to family relations in US or servants not fully vetted.TKiran wrote:I think one more reason for choosing
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Novic wrote:Would that mean Starr is CIA India head?