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by UlanBatori
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she did not seek out the local churches but was given shelter at a Sikh center. This too does not make sense. NY must have a large Kerala population from her community.

No surprise there: Indian Pandus-e-Consulate and maybe even honest elements in NYPD were hunting for her, and only Khalistanis know how to shelter from those. Interesting connection, Khalistan and PB.... Elsewhere I heard Rajiv Malhotra was tweeting something about whether PB was going to go after Khalistanis or was he soft on terrorists.
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Just for your knowledge, Sikh Gurdwaras are by definition required to give shelter and food to any person (irrespective of their color, caste, creed, region, language). That's what the people who donate to Gurdwara's expect the least.
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UBji -
First you owe me a cup of coffee which I spilled while reading an oped from a " 8) peace chair 8) of UNESCO" (No I am not making that up he is also a "Professor of Geopolitics" and vice furniture of something else)...for which you're responsible by leaking your geemail.

Second please watch your geemail (not to mention posts in brf) as they have very good and quick agents in Mangolia (or where ever Batori is) and they are not happy and want to clarify.. it is very very unkind of you to suggest PB and Khalistani connection...

Taza khabar from no where else but from observer-e-paki newspaper.. in today.. (some editing and emphasis mine)
There have been reports, all unconfirmed :-? , that Bharara’s relatives include several who - allegedly - backed the 1980s and 1990s movement for an independent Khalistan out of parts of the Punjab State. ....

However, those close to Bharara say that the charge that he has a Khalistan connection is false, and that he is “100% American”, with no interest in politics except within the US. It is a fact that the youthful attorney has made a name for himself by going after powerful names in the finance industry, sending them to jail on the basis of painstaking investigation of wrongdoing. To allega a Khalistan angle to his arrest of the Indian diplomat may therefore do an injustice to a zealous crime fighter, unless clear evidence is brought of a Khalistan link. .
Link:link to observer article
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AmberG. So you decided to join the pinglish literary festival!!!!

Incidentally Jaipur Literary Festivals with usual suspects is going on.

Thats MD Nalpat who is quite a windmill tilter.

BTW, when someone made the same suggestion 140 pages ago they got warned!!!!

On these very pages CTs are eventually turn out to be not Cs!!!

So Mangolians have something to the possibility of Khalistani shelter of S Richard.
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UBji and others...

While PB was pouring gasoline on fire, this is from the office of Preet Bharara's counterpart in Nevada - Attorney Daniel Bogden:

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Balwinder Singh, aka Jhajj, aka, Happy, aka Possi, aka Baljit Singh, 39, of Reno, was charged in an indictment with one count of conspiracy to murder, kidnap, and maim persons in a foreign country, one count of conspiracy to provide material support to terrorists, one count of making a false statement on an immigration document, two counts of use of an immigration document procured by fraud, and one count of unlawful production of an identification document.


"After an extensive investigation, the FBI-led Joint Terrorism Task Force (JTTF) of Northern Nevada has disrupted an individual's involvement in facilitation activities in support of a foreign terrorist organization, targeting an ally of the United States,"said FBI Special Agent in Charge Bucheit. "We will continue to work with our international partners to prevent acts of terrorism on ". soil or, as in this case, on that of an ally. This investigation demonstrates the importance of law enforcement coordination and collaboration here and around the world."

According to the indictment, Singh was a citizen of India who fled to the "and claimed asylum. He eventually obtained permanent residency (Green card - SR type?) The indictment alleges that Singh is a member of two terrorist organizations, Babbar Khalsa International (BKI) and Khalistan Zindabad Force (KZF), whose members aim to establish an independent Sikh state of Khalistan.

"These groups engage in bombings, kidnappings and murders in India to intimidate and compel the Indian government to create the state of Khalistan,"the Justice Department statement said, adding that "These groups also target for assassination persons they consider traitors to the Sikh religion and government officials who they consider responsible for atrocities against the Sikhs."

The indictment also alleges that the object of the conspiracy was to advance the goals of BKI and KZF by raising money and obtaining weapons to support acts of terrorism in India. It is alleged that Singh used a false identity and obtained false identification documents in the "so that he could travel back to India, Pakistan and other countries without being apprehended by the authorities.

Singh is also alleged to have communicated with other co-conspirators by telephone while he was in the "to discuss acts of terrorism to be carried out in India. He also allegedly sent money from Reno, Nevada, to co-conspirators in India for the purchase of weapons that would be provided to members of the BKI and KZF to support acts of terrorism in India.

.... Attorney Bogden said in a statement that carried an even greater resonance coming amid the diplomatic fracas over his New York counterpart's crusade against his perceived injustice in Indian society that is threatening to derail bilateral ties. "Investigating and prosecuting matters of national security is the top priority of the ". Department of Justice."
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"Coming in the middle of the diplomatic flap, the development underscored the importance of continued cooperation between the two countries on terrorism issues faced by both.

It was not clear if the announcement was timed to highlight the dangers of a stand-off on the diplomatic issue, but it came from the office of Preet Bharara's counterpart in Nevada, "Attorney Daniel Bogden.
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ramana wrote:AmberG. So you decided to join the pinglish literary festival!!!!

Incidentally Jaipur Literary Festivals with usual suspects is going on.

Thats MD Nalpat who is quite a windmill tilter.

BTW, when someone made the same suggestion 140 pages ago they got warned!!!!

On these very pages CTs are eventually turn out to be not Cs!!!

So Mangolians have something to the possibility of Khalistani shelter of S Richard.
To be clear, only connection to Mangolia is Ulan Batoor (as UlanBatoori) is its capital. It is a light heated comment, nothing against Mangolia.

You are of course right, most CT's are just that CT, I was just quoting published links (with source)

Also to be clear, I am not insulting anything just quoting links after giving the original source.
(Please feel free to edit/delete or let me know and I will do it myself)
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Looks like garam chai is affecting you. What you posted is chaas only.

Dont worry.
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Amber G. wrote:UBji and others... Speaking of Khalistani connection..
It was not clear if the announcement was timed to highlight the dangers of a stand-off on the diplomatic issue, but it came from the office of Preet Bharara's counterpart in Nevada, "Attorney Daniel Bogden.
Link: Link[/quote]

This guy came under surveillance after tip from GOI. They knew about man's 2 recent trips to Porkiland and tracked him from there, otherwise he kept very low profile to avoid suspicion. Gurdwara there dont allow/tolerate any K politics there and very straightforward about this.
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^^^ Thanks (Thanks also to Sbajwa) for educating those of us who do not know much about gurudwaras.

My intention was just to point out the contrast - while Nevada prosecutor is going against some one who is danger to all, the NY counter part is going against an innocent diplomat.

I apologize (without reservation) if any of my post(s) gave wrong impression. I will be more choosing my words.
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What it shows is there was an agenda and drive in NYC. We still dont know why the vehmence.
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Amber G. wrote:The two leaders agreed to remain in contact to follow up on the progress on these issues, it said.
Khurshid is well-known to be another Congress/UPA lamer. Instead of "raising concerns" he should have demanded the extradition of Sangeeta Richard (who is wanted in criminal cases in India).
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KLP Dubey wrote:Khurshid is well-known to be another Congress/UPA lamer. Instead of "raising concerns" he should have demanded the extradition of Sangeeta Richard (who is wanted in criminal cases in India).
In general I agree that Khurshid is a lame duck FM. However in this case I think he got it right. If you look at it Bharat had put its cards on the table: T visa, Khan school, and lack of tankha to buy Paco type protein for native employees of Begum Powell.

Now the ball is in Khan dada's court with Jan 31st being an important date. February 7th is the next.

If the issue is resolved according to Bharat's satisfaction why do we need SR back? Let her be Bharat 's gift to Khan. She can clean the toilets of all those highly paid pro- bono Lawers, that is when she has free time after feeding protein to dear Paco.

The interesting data point is that the T-vizza is similar to the Canadian vizza across the border and is an embassy level issue. Half of the 155 or so issued last year worldwide is from Naya Dilli. Begum Powell seems to have picked up a lot of Pakiness during her stint as Khan's Viceroy in Shitisthan. No wonder she is so scared of a pat down if she takes a hawaijahaz out of Naya Dilli.
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AmberG, THANKS!!!!!

sbajwa, greetings from the distant past, and thanks for the info.
Sikh Gurdwaras are by definition required to give shelter and food to any person (irrespective of their color, caste, creed, region, language). That's what the people who donate to Gurdwara's expect the least.
A great tradition. But think about the actions of SR. She CLEARLY chose to scoot while the Dep. Consul was out of town for 2 or 3 days, and I bet she scooted on Day 1. Her lawyer claims that she scooted "after making sure the kids were OK" but how exactly does one ensure that two little kids are "OK" to be left alone for 2 days without anyone knowing?? If babysitting operated on this basis, one would pay the babysitter to come in and collect the $$, and then scoot out to a bar as soon as the parents left, "making sure that the kids are OK". So this was clearly the ambuchaser's guilty conscience trying to pre-empt a clear and devastating point against SR. She DESERTED THE KIDS AND DIDN'T TELL ANYONE!!! Should be arrested just for that, reckless endangerment of two children.

OK, so she plotted to leave. She left ... and then wandered friendless and aimless in the streets of NYC until some kind stranger said,
Oh, pls to come with me, I take you to Sikh Gurudwara, they take care of all strangers without regard to...
and this woman went off with that person? Oh, yeah???

The "Sikh Temple" asylum was clearly planned. I am sure the people in a usual Gurudwara are extremely generous, but also extremely law-abiding. No way would they hide someone on an official passport for 2 months without informing someone, i.e., police, Indian embassy, family of SR, someone. This was NOT some desperate traumatized victim of violence, this was someone perfectly capable of taking care of herself.

Hence my initial suspicion that this was a Khalistan gang. The link to PB is fortuitous, I WAS not saying at all that PB is a Khalistani, or even a Khalistan sympathizer. But I am not any more sure that he is not. There seem to be quite a few different straws in the wind... that item from Nevada CERTAINLY has a :eek: fragrance associated with it. Why are GOI and the Nevada prosecutor's office both hinting at PB's role in protecting Khalistanis? Why is Rajiv Malhotra?

Amber, I think you may have started an Anmolization. If PB is having to declare that he is 400% American etc to counter Khalistan innuendo, there may be a pony somewhere under the pile, as Ronald Reagan used to say. Puts the whole case in an entirely different light, and now the ISI-Zeya-Khalistan-PB-WH links are building into a whole circus. Ramana, CT at its best, and the puzzle is coming together.
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not just manufactured or jewelry products but even agri products are now marketed as slavery/war free ... since the US consumer will not buy american for most part out of pure patriotism unless the cost difference is minimal, these "christian values"/conscience driven psyops are now being used to make him pay up.
its another big line of business investigating, certifying, mediating, labelling and branding these products
http://www.towardfreedom.com/labor/2673 ... production

and ofcourse only western agencies are capable of certifying anything and will visit and stay in 5* luxury paid for by the poor exporter trying to get certification to enter the market. or preferably if he sells raw product low to some western trading house, they will take care of it.
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Do we need to give those Khalistani jokers publicity on a platter? The US media and ChiPak-pasand SDs will spin it to "We are boor boor obbressed Good Sardaritians fleeing from rampaging Hindoos" martyr-hood and turn it into a stronger lever. The US Khalistanis have long played second fiddle to the Canadian and Britturd branches and a p1ssed maverick Surd raised on tales of Woodrose (or worse, was caught in the line of fire) might use it to gather all kinds of wrong attention.

I mean, if we are really sure there is a link and that link might come back to bite our a$$ in the future perhaps some preemptive strike is in order. Otherwise IMHO we should not initiate that angle... especially since we really don't know if the US perceives itself as "pushed against a wall" here, no matter who caused the c0ck-up.
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the Syria war and the Arab Spring (Arab ops) have left behind quite a few in the SD and CIA who have links with Saudis and Pakistan (Global Sunni Jehadi alliance). Pls remember that it is SD that is public face for these covert campaigns. So there will be quite a few who have links to jehadis & Pakis in positions of influence these days. It just seems this group was instigated by Mr. May and he left it to them to do his work and they did it with a vengeance.

About the Khalistan links, it was very difficult for someone caught up in Punjab during those days to not have sympathies for one side or the another. There were no neutrals in those days. There will be some animosity for sure, if not anything else. If your parents were not part of the Indian govt in police forces or Armed forces, in all likelihood one's sympathy would be with the Ks. They were considered the brave heroes, the good souls who protected the commons from the cats and the malefic GoI, the forces of GoI were considered the cowards for most part of the 80s.
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Let us not forget the role the US played in the Khalistani separatist movement.
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Did the Indians tape record the minutes of meeting with DK when she demanded ransom and wanted to remain in US? if they did not then Indian embassy are manned by bunch of morons.
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Kerry says they will put in place 'institutional mechanism' to safeguard from such instances in future. They had the same excuse after George Fernandes incident, after Kalam was searched at airport, after Meera Shankar incident and after Headley incident. That they have put up no 'institutional mechanism' yet in place to safeguard Indian interest from their side from Sunni blowback or from Sunni agents of influence or their henchmen in DoS means that they are not going to do so now, until an unacceptable cost is made upon them wherein it is no longer practicable to carry on with business as usual.

Until that happens, all Kerry can offer and will continue to offer empty promises and assurances.
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US diplomats involved in sex and slavery cases. None of them seems to have been punished
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If Kerry really means what he is saying, we should see the recall of Nancy Powell shortly. Otherwise his words are meaningless.
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Well, I do think that the DA of Reno/Nevada getting an indictment on the Babbar Khalsa type in Nevada was to send a signal to India that this SR thingy was in no way related to that (the antennas in GOI would have gone up precisely because she stayed in a Sikh temple and some Sikh orgs came out in support of SR) and offered that fellow up as a sacrificial lamb.

Other thing , it looks like Mohtarma May was sent packing along with hubby per what folks here report. I would disabuse anyone of the notion that it was her racist rants on FB that got her packing, but rather the fact that she self incriminated herself on the fact that she sold smuggled pearls in the CLO (Community Liaison Office?) , where she WAS the CLO. That is a crime under any circumstances, handling and selling contraband can see you in jail and the Indians didnt even have to bring it up, the Americans deftly moved her out. If the Indians had brought it up and declared her PNG, there would have been an equivalent person from the Indian Embassy in DC who would have been retaliated against. That evidently hasn't happened , so one can surmise that the Indians didn't ask for Mohtarma May's exit. That selling pearl business is a career ending move.
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Stockton/Lodi area - not far from Reno/Tahoe - is known for the Khalistan types, though that Indian-American community started out in the early 1900s and sustained among other things the Ghadar movement.
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Cross post >> In context of the recent arrest and its biased, one-sided and pro US/SD reporting in the "free press" of the land of the "free'. The so called "Free press" would have done North Korea proud!!.
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Why the Washington Post's New Ties to the CIA Are So Ominous
The Post is supposed to expose CIA secrets. But Amazon is under contract to keep them. Amazon has a new $600 million “cloud” computing deal with the CIA.

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The Washington Post’s refusal to provide readers with minimal disclosure in coverage of the CIA is important on its own. But it’s also a marker for an ominous pattern -- combining denial with accommodation to raw financial and governmental power -- a synergy of media leverage, corporate digital muscle and secretive agencies implementing policies of mass surveillance, covert action and ongoing warfare.

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Citing CIA documents, Bernstein wrote that during the previous 25 years “more than 400 American journalists ... have secretly carried out assignments for the Central Intelligence Agency.” He added: “The history of the CIA’s involvement with the American press continues to be shrouded by an official policy of obfuscation and deception.”

Bernstein’s story tarnished the reputations of many journalists and media institutions, including the Washington Post and New York Times. While the CIA’s mission was widely assumed to involve “obfuscation and deception,” the mission of the nation’s finest newspapers was ostensibly the opposite.

During the last few decades, as far as we know, the extent of extreme media cohabitation with the CIA has declined sharply. At the same time, as the run-up to the U.S. invasion of Iraq attests, many prominent U.S. journalists and media outlets have continued to regurgitate, for public consumption, what’s fed to them by the CIA and other official “national security” sources.
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Gentle-e-men,

My funny bone is itching again. Few would remember the early days of lal madarsa and goat hunbandry. That is long out of fashion. This time the "Good News, Y'all!" is about own fair and lovely lady liberty. So, can we have a thread for our sunday services? Freedom of relijion pleaje. And only pure Americsn spirits and languaje.

Much obliged,

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Shreeman wrote:Gentle-e-men,

My funny bone is itching again. Few would remember the early days of lal madarsa and goat hunbandry. That is long out of fashion. This time the "Good News, Y'all!" is about own fair and lovely lady liberty. So, can we have a thread for our sunday services? Freedom of relijion pleaje. And only pure Americsn spirits and languaje.

Much obliged,

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If your parents were not part of the Indian govt in police forces or Armed forces, in all likelihood one's sympathy would be with the Ks.
Really? Oh, it was a "police or Armed Forces vs. Heroes" thing, was it?

What if your parents were old enough to remember the babies who died gasping as the Emperor Kanishka fluttered in pieces down into the Irish Sea, courtesy of these "brave heroes"? Or the two Tokyo baggage handlers who were killed the same day? Or any of the twenty-thousand-plus innocents who were machine-gunned or blown up in the rail stations and markets or dragged out of their homes and tortured to death in the Punjab for being - what? other than innocents?

"Khalistan" means "Land of the Pure". Another word for "Pakistan", except that in Northern Himachal the term "Khali" means "empty" which describes most of them.

So, NO, some of us have not forgotten what these murderous traitors VERY NEARLY succeeded in doing to India. And any attempt by these snakes to raise their fangs, whether through "temples" or "prosecutors", must be exposed before many more innocents are tortured to death.

And as for the Police role, they saved the nation, period. As KPS Gill, a Sikh and a Patriot, wrote:
Terrorism in the Punjab did not end because the People Got Tired of Violence, etc. Terrorism in the Punjab ended because we killed the terrorists.
For the exact quote, all I can find on the web is this:

The Hon. Rep. Dan Burton's Links to Global Terrorism


Oh, BTW, look what I found when I searched for that!

I still believe in the Presumption of Innocence in the US Constitution, unlike Mr. 100%-American Bharara who swore to uphold it, to get his current job (see shiv's "bijnej is bijnej"). So I don't presume that he is guilty of collaborating with the Khalistan and Pakistan terrorists against India. That does not mean that we won't follow leads that are relevant to such things, wherever they may lead.
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UlanBatori wrote:
If your parents were not part of the Indian govt in police forces or Armed forces, in all likelihood one's sympathy would be with the Ks.
Really? Oh, it was a "police or Armed Forces vs. Heroes" thing, was it?

What if your parents were old enough to remember the babies who died gasping as the Emperor Kanishka fluttered in pieces down into the Irish Sea, courtesy of these "brave heroes"? Or the two Tokyo baggage handlers who were killed the same day? Or any of the twenty-thousand-plus innocents who were machine-gunned or blown up in the rail stations and markets or dragged out of their homes and tortured to death in the Punjab for being - what? other than innocents?

"Khalistan" means "Land of the Pure". Another word for "Pakistan", except that in Northern Himachal the term "Khali" means "empty" which describes most of them.

So, NO, some of us have not forgotten what these murderous traitors VERY NEARLY succeeded in doing to India. And any attempt by these snakes to raise their fangs, whether through "temples" or "prosecutors", must be exposed before many more innocents are tortured to death.

And as for the Police role, they saved the nation, period. As KPS Gill, a Sikh and a Patriot, wrote:
Terrorism in the Punjab did not end because the People Got Tired of Violence, etc. Terrorism in the Punjab ended because we killed the terrorists.
For the exact quote, all I can find on the web is this:

The Hon. Rep. Dan Burton's Links to Global Terrorism


Oh, BTW, look what I found when I searched for that!

I still believe in the Presumption of Innocence in the US Constitution, unlike Mr. 100%-American Bharara who swore to uphold it, to get his current job (see shiv's "bijnej is bijnej"). So I don't presume that he is guilty of collaborating with the Khalistan and Pakistan terrorists against India. That does not mean that we won't follow leads that are relevant to such things, wherever they may lead.
UB, if you remember media quotes from these heroes, or have met some of them in person as I have, you will perhaps agree that said heroes and their worshippers were completely unmoved by dead babies falling out of the air. They were blessed with the same conscienceless streak as those who rampaged in Delhi in October-November 1984, slaughtering Sikhs.
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Thread diversion alert. Lets stick to the topic and bring in Khali Peeli types only in context of the thread topic.

Thanks,
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X_post in context of connstant US media harping on India and creating political movements via NGOs...
pankajs wrote:Brahma Chellaney ‏@Chellaney 40m

US media have highlighted rapes in India but a damning White House report says 1 in 5 American women have been raped: http://goo.gl/FhTYU7
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Sexual Assault is a worldwide Epidemic and the sick monsters are found in every corner of the world. We in India also need to combat this curse and we all have roles to play in preventing experiences like these. White house on this issue as it relates to the United States.

A Renewed Call to Action to End Rape and Sexual Assault - The White House Blog
As part of an unprecedented national effort to address alarming rates of sexual assault on college campuses, President Obama issued a Presidential Memorandum today to establish the “White House Task Force to Protect Students from Sexual Assault."

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The statistics around sexual assault in this country are nothing short of jarring. A report just released by the White House Council on Women and Girls entitled, “Rape and Sexual Assault: A Renewed Call to Action” reveals that nearly 1 in 5 women, and 1 in 71 men have experienced rape or attempted rape in their lifetimes. These statistics are stunning, but still can’t begin to capture the emotional and psychological scars that survivors often carry for life, or the courage needed to recover.

Today’s report states that students experience some of the highest rates of sexual assault. This violence, and the stress, fear, and mental health challenges that often follow, combine to increase dropout rates and limit opportunities for success in college for women and girls.

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We all have roles to play in preventing experiences like these. Through better education and awareness training for our young women. Through the improved mentorship and socialization of our boys and young men. Through the empowerment of bystanders to recognize dangerous situations and to speak up.Through improved survivor support services, and more victim-centered incident intake and justice response policies on our campuses.

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We can and must change our nation’s attitudes toward these devastating crimes, and we all have a role to play in preventing violence, and supporting the millions of survivors across the country as they seek to rebuild their lives.
Also,
Obama Launching New Initiative To Tackle College Sexual Assault Epidemic

Maybe we need a twitter account on EndViolenceAgainst WomeninUS?
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SBajwa wrote: Just for your knowledge, Sikh Gurdwaras are by definition required to give shelter and food to any person (irrespective of their color, caste, creed, region, language). That's what the people who donate to Gurdwara's expect the least.
In India (and I am sure, in the US too) there is a requirement that "guests" who appear to stay in rented or other accommodation must show some identification. Coming for a meal is different from staying - a person who stays could be a fugitive from the law and I am certain US Gurudwaras would not host an unknown woman for days or weeks before informing the authorities.

Shrimati Richard, whose attorney alleged had nothing but the clothes she was wearing and no identification papers, and indeed no friend, since she had been a slave, is unlikely to have stayed in a Gurudwara without some help - at least in identification, and the only people who could have helped give her a valid, legal identity would have been US authorities. So lies are being told while passing off the story as a homeless slave escapee getting kindness from random people. Anything else means the Gurudwara could have got involved in illegal stuff.

Assuming she actually asked for help in a Gurudwara and they put her in touch with authorities in a perfectly legal and altruistic act, the fact that this has been hidden from the media is either because she is selling book rights to someone, or there is a deliberate hiding of some facts. It is still worth checking out if she really did live in a Gurudwara or not and which one it was. But if US authorities heard her story within hours or days after she was taken in to a Gurudwara, it would have taken their computer database only milliseconds to correlate and discover that she was the same maid who was reported missing by Khobragade. That report was dismissed by the NY police - so they were either lying or the woman was really underground for weeks and weeks. If that long underground stay was in a Gurudwara, either the Gurudwara was up to illegal stuff or US authorities are lying.
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What if the Sikh temple was brought in to muddy the waters like a red herring to thow off further queries?
One wouldnt expect unSafe Horizons to reveal their modus operandi.
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When PB makes his submission to the bench on the 31st, will he have SR with him, or does this hearing not involve her, ironic, as she seems to be absent from the proceedings of which she is the central character.
The question is, can DKs attorney call for SR to be present, or even to give evidence in this hearing?
Finally, what is so special about the 7th Feb regarding this case, or am I mistaken
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Only if this thing goes to trail which is unlikely. Otherwise only the attorneys and their submissions, written and oral, will be seen and heard by the court.
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Ramana, that's a valid point and there is still an unexplained gap from the time the SD received the notification from DK. Safe Horizons, probably has links to the NGO community in India, if one were to go by their sponsors and MO, and it would make sense for the tax authorities to have a look at their operations. Let's not forget that these groups facilitated the abduction, imprisonment and assault of an Indian diplomat.

Regarding the gurudwara, they haven't confirmed that they hosted SR, or even knew about her. Someone may have used the name of the gurdwara because they were under the expectation that DK would have settled out of court.

WM had 400 people under his command. Do they all have immunity, and do they all share their former boss's views on India?
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So WP is CIA and NYT is SD.
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rgosain, So far I think no name for the Sikh Temple. If it really was Khali org they would have claimed (dis)credit by now. Track record-protest Independence Day parades, Republic Day functions at consulates, fist fights in gurdwaras etc. So far nada zilch.

Second WMay's Light Brigade* of 400 has a large contingent of native sepoys. Arizona State Uty had a fraternity dishonoring MLK. Looks like ideal future SD recruits.


*Charge of the Light Brigade was by 500 troops.

Something for India to ponder why does US Embassy need a light brigade and barricades? Is this SOP for US Embassies world wide?
Are they expecting siege of Tehran in Delhi?
Cursed needs to take it up with Kerrorist.
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500 troops.
Noble 600
are the correct words I think.
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Whats a 100? It brings out the anology!

I think Wayne May was running his own intelligence operation with those 400 local guards aka informer network. Something for Menonji to mull over.
But then he is trained to making treaties as his colleague Lamba noted!
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So rode the noble 600 into the valley of death. I am not sure how the manicured Lutyens Boulevards will cope with such a charge.
Khurshid comes across as being rather too sympathetic to the Western view and looks rather irrelevant at most times. It would be nice to know who Safe Horizons interact with in India.
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