Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 23 Jan 2014 19:25

rohitv wrote:MSY raked up 2002 and Modi during his speech at a rally in Varanasi. Also lamented "couldn't BJP find anyone else as their PM Candidate?"
Meanwhile Modi will start his speech shortly in Gorakhpur.

Very sorry but who is MSY? Cannot place the initials.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 23 Jan 2014 19:30

Mulayam Singh Yadav.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 23 Jan 2014 19:32

Mulayam Singh Yadav == MSY

Nitesh · Post by **Nitesh** » 23 Jan 2014 19:32

Lisa wrote:
Very sorry but who is MSY? Cannot place the initials.

Mullayam Singh yadav

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 23 Jan 2014 19:44

Nitesh wrote:
Lisa wrote:
Very sorry but who is MSY? Cannot place the initials.
Mullayam Singh yadav

Lord only grants a fools face to a .............

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 23 Jan 2014 19:46

Pranav wrote:
Narayana Rao wrote: PLEASE PLEASE CONTRIBUTE SOMETHING TO NM WIN OTHERWISE WE ARE GOING TO BE IN DEEEEEEEP MESS WHICH MAY TAKE DECADES TO RECOVER.
As per the Indian Supreme Court itself, India is no longer a democracy, because elections are not free and fair.

Precise words are "paper trail is indispensable for free and fair elections".

But what to do, most Indics are quite happy to be kicked around.

Pranav Sir,

Dont you think, with Namo not leaving any stone unturned, if this is really a cause for worry, he will in the end put 64 candidates in each seat and force a ballot.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 23 Jan 2014 20:44

In MH also people are fed up with mafia and NCP but the infra of mafia and NCP is quite strong and Raj will do cutting of votes. So difficult. But i feel even many money bags particularly builders etc are fed up with CM of the state and wants change fast. So I expect some quite good results this time here.

If only there is someone with 10% of Pramod Mahajan capabilities. But there is no one at present here.

M Joshi · Post by **M Joshi** » 23 Jan 2014 21:03

Guys, am not able to donate on BJP website through credit card. Payment is not going through in the last step. Anyone else faced something similar?

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 23 Jan 2014 21:04

M Joshi wrote:Guys, am not able to donate on BJP website through credit card. Payment is not going through in the last step. Anyone else faced something similar?

Are you trying to do it from outside India? I am facing the same problem.

M Joshi · Post by **M Joshi** » 23 Jan 2014 21:21

No, in India only. Seems strange.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 23 Jan 2014 21:24

I also could not do it gurus. Needs help here.

M Joshi · Post by **M Joshi** » 23 Jan 2014 21:31

Anyone a member here of 272+ team or have imp. followers on twitter, can take this issue to them. The problem occurs on CCAvenue portal, not before.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 23 Jan 2014 21:32

M Joshi wrote:Anyone a member here of 272+ team or have imp. followers on twitter, can take this issue to them. The problem occurs on CCAvenue portal, not before.

With CCAvenue I get problems for almost all credit cards except Mastercard. Although not tried on BJP site (if that makes any difference).

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 23 Jan 2014 21:47

harbans wrote:Why Narendra Modi is different:

http://vicharprachar.wordpress.com/2014 ... different/

Have rated major politicians since independence on some core factors. Please do give your inputs/ comments. May edit later.

Two more politicians should be added --- Rastrapita Subhashchandra Bose and Mohanbhai.

And one more column should be added --- "Raising head against Videshies"

Rashtrapita Subhash Bose scales "Excellent" on all issues except in "Economic Vision" he would rate as "Unknown"

And in the column of "Raising head against Videshies" , ratings would be
Rashtrapita Bose -- Excellent
Devi Indira Amma -- Very Good
LBS -- Good
Sardar Patel -- poor
NaMo --- Poor so far ; to be seen
Everyone else --- very poor

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 24 Jan 2014 03:59

q: why should he raise his head against videshies? the age is all about smart thinking, and make the videshies raise their heads against you. we have to move towards leadership, and the whole world looks at us in the future than usa. don't we want to become some power? we have invested a lot to become a great power.. our dork moorkh aam loks need to be made aware repeatedly about the direction this elephant is moving.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 24 Jan 2014 05:05

See how IBN is protecting Nehru Dynasty loyalist Shankaracharya by respectfully calling him "Senior Priest". But look at the irritation and frustration on the face of "Senior Priest". Not a good omen for BJP in UP.

Senior priest slaps journalist on being asked about Narendra Modi

Questioning Modi, he said, "I have no problem with Modi being PM, but he must come clear on how he managed to grow to this stature."

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/senior-pries ... 37-64.html

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 24 Jan 2014 05:15

i was imagining how would it look if the journalist had slapped back?

ouch! these idiots are swamyjis for what? thappad mob culture swamygis?

ManjaM · Post by **ManjaM** » 24 Jan 2014 06:04

How does one contribute monetarily the to NaMo campaign?

Nitesh · Post by **Nitesh** » 24 Jan 2014 07:28

ManjaM wrote:How does one contribute monetarily the to NaMo campaign?

donate.bjp.org

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 24 Jan 2014 07:40

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 24 Jan 2014 07:53

Shri Modi needs your help!

http://www.bjp.org/make-a-donation

sooraj wrote:B. G. Mahesh: The techie behind Narendra Modi’s campaign
http://www.livemint.com/Specials/lxyNHa ... paign.html

BG Mahesh is my senior in undergrad. All SJCEites like KaranM etc, rejoice!
His site. http://www.mahesh.com/

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 24 Jan 2014 08:50

Rahul steals Modi's 2011 slogan.

Main Nahi Hum

http://deshgujarat.com/2014/01/24/main-nahi-hum/

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 24 Jan 2014 09:59

If Arvind Krishna and Namo Arjun should be on the same chariot then Rahul Dhuryodhan and Mms Bheeshma will have to face the eventuality. But how a mobster can become Krishna?

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 24 Jan 2014 10:25

No judge wants to head Snoopgate probe panel

The grapevine in the power circles is that judges are vary of taking up the job since the entire matter is being viewed as a political one.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/snoo ... 39420.html

KLP Dubey · Post by **KLP Dubey** » 24 Jan 2014 10:54

prahaar wrote:
M Joshi wrote:Anyone a member here of 272+ team or have imp. followers on twitter, can take this issue to them. The problem occurs on CCAvenue portal, not before.
With CCAvenue I get problems for almost all credit cards except Mastercard. Although not tried on BJP site (if that makes any difference).

^^
I often have problems using my US-issued credit cards on CCAvenue. The best bet is to use a Visa/MC debit card issued by an Indian bank, or netbanking through an Indian bank. Worked every time for me.

durvasa · Post by **durvasa** » 24 Jan 2014 12:11

Used India account @ ICICI netbanking a few minutes back. No problem at all

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 24 Jan 2014 13:31

SaiK wrote:If Arvind Krishna and Namo Arjun should be on the same chariot then Rahul Dhuryodhan and Mms Bheeshma will have to face the eventuality. But how a mobster can become Krishna?

Unless I'm mistaken that's Vaiko playing Krishna and namo as Arjun on the chariot.... and there's vaiko in the pic admiring some fawner's artwork...

M Joshi · Post by **M Joshi** » 24 Jan 2014 14:50

Some interesting infographics:

Notice how many people who think he's communal, has dropped from 18% to 7%. Also read the tidbit about the Snoopgate.

Only one conclusion from this:
Rahul Gandhi past = Rahul Gandhi present + Arvind Kejriwal present.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 24 Jan 2014 20:13

Cutting through all the opinion-shopinion poll noise, this is the story that emerges from the whirlpool.... the Modi skyscaper...

rohitv · Post by **rohitv** » 24 Jan 2014 20:14

Awe-inspiring video of State wide water supply grid of Gujarat!!

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 25 Jan 2014 07:18

R Jagannathan again has an interesting article on fartpost:
The idea of AAP, versus the idea of Modi, versus non-idea of rest

Put another way, the idea of AAP would appeal to those who feel they have no stake in the current system. The idea of Modi offers security to those who have a bigger stake in the current system. The underclass may like AAP; the upper castes, classes and businesses may prefer Modi. The people in the middle of the two will decide the results in Election 2014.

What about the regional parties who are theoretically secular and hence against Modi? They too face the same choices as the undecided people in the middle.

Regional parties which have no stake in the status quo (like some small Muslim parties of Dalit parties) will go with AAP and a Third Front; those who feel most threatened by the AAP's rise will align with Modi post-election after the results are out. Modi, in short, may have more options than the media imagines. To many regional parties, AAP is a bigger future threat than Modi. For example, Mulayam Singh's SP faces decimation if AAP grows roots in UP. This is why some of his base is shifting to Modi.

The idea of AAP is not going away. If it does not throw away its advantages, and uses its chances in power to change things visibly for its constituency, in 2019 (or earlier) it will be the real challenger for the centre. Broadly speaking, it is AAP, not Congress, that could become the other (left-wing) pole around which a right-wing BJP will be fighting in future.

AAP and BJP will probably see the rise of class-based coalitions in future than transcend caste and community. We will see it first in urban areas and then the rural areas.

Vamsee · Post by **Vamsee** » 25 Jan 2014 07:53

gandharva wrote:

gandharva,
what is the source of this image?

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 25 Jan 2014 08:21

Modi just 46% in Gujarat? I am amazed that he isn't off the charts in his home state.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 25 Jan 2014 08:57

Suraj wrote:R Jagannathan again has an interesting article on fartpost:
The idea of AAP, versus the idea of Modi, versus non-idea of rest
Put another way, the idea of AAP would appeal to those who feel they have no stake in the current system. The idea of Modi offers security to those who have a bigger stake in the current system. The underclass may like AAP; the upper castes, classes and businesses may prefer Modi. The people in the middle of the two will decide the results in Election 2014.

What about the regional parties who are theoretically secular and hence against Modi? They too face the same choices as the undecided people in the middle.

Regional parties which have no stake in the status quo (like some small Muslim parties of Dalit parties) will go with AAP and a Third Front; those who feel most threatened by the AAP's rise will align with Modi post-election after the results are out. Modi, in short, may have more options than the media imagines. To many regional parties, AAP is a bigger future threat than Modi. For example, Mulayam Singh's SP faces decimation if AAP grows roots in UP. This is why some of his base is shifting to Modi.

The idea of AAP is not going away. If it does not throw away its advantages, and uses its chances in power to change things visibly for its constituency, in 2019 (or earlier) it will be the real challenger for the centre. Broadly speaking, it is AAP, not Congress, that could become the other (left-wing) pole around which a right-wing BJP will be fighting in future.

AAP and BJP will probably see the rise of class-based coalitions in future than transcend caste and community. We will see it first in urban areas and then the rural areas.

This idea has been around since 1950s. The Communists first tried to build a coalition based on class, rather than caste. So, by the way, did the Naxalites (people should remember the Naxalite movements of the late 60s and early 70s), and the early socialists. Communism was finished off by caste (and community) based voting. Is it going to be a revolution, i.e., a full circle and we end where we began? However, caste based politics is not going to go away. And in fact, community based politics is likely going to intensity in many areas which are already flash points - all it needs is one strong push to send it careening all over India.

Also, the idea of people with no stake in the system is rather flawed. Naxalites are the only ones with no stake at all in the system. A few idiotic youth might also chase that mirage (as they did in the 1970s). But today, India is growing much faster than it did in the past, so the number of people with no stake in the system is actually much smaller than it ever was.

The drivers, cooks, and maids (the urban poor, in short) may, at first sight, look like people with no stake in the system, but if their employers disappear, they are the ones who are going to get hammered very sharply, especially in the short run. The rural poor are too disorganised (and the Naxalites have tried to organise them into a critical mass for more than 40 years, but failed), and what is more, rural exploitation treads a fine line. The peasant is oppressed, but not to the point where he rebels. So, development based politics, rather than making the poor feel they have no stake in the system, would actually give them more stake in the system. This is what has been happening in Gujarat, MP and Chhattisgarh. Around a core of Hindutva, with the OBCs at the heart, and UCs around that core, with some socialism (to keep discontent of the poor at bay), there has been more and more development, with more and more people with a stake in the system. Of course, it is inevitably mixed in caste politics (it would not be India otherwise).

The idea that an anti-corruption movement can transmogrify into a socialist movement based on doles and freebies and can extend it in a way as to make existing equations irrelevant is not very credible. Casteist, and regional parties are here to stay, since they represent specific interests.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 25 Jan 2014 09:30

O Prah ji, get serious now.

Here figure out the RAA agent. And also the Raaaaaaaaage boy.

http://www.theunrealtimes.com/2014/01/2 ... upporters/

Also is the new thread "Positive News from the USA" designed to take the focus off NaMo. That would be an international consipiracy in that case. Sure the MSM would never look into it.

And what is "transmogrify". Words that require you to look up the goo gle discotionary should be banned on the forum. Krapya Saral bhasha ka upyog karen. Jo hamari khopche mein ghus sake.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 25 Jan 2014 10:05

sans modi, the pic for bjp would have been horrible under any of the d4.com candidate.

btw, that data about AK vote share clearly points to who is eating to whose vote share.
i'd say, ak benefits mode this way.. there is sizable votebank who don't like to switch to camp modi.
stop gap ak helps here, to gauge that size.. the 9% vote share it shall be.
if modi gain confidence on those 9%, then it would be fantastic for him as weeks going to go by soon.
it is only a beginning.. so bjp needs real hard work to stay from corruption and mobstering.
and don't phuck up on national policies like a370 or things like k.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 25 Jan 2014 11:17

While angrezi noose channel lynch mobs are out with pitchforks hunting kommunal demons, team NM seems to have done well in courting vernacular media esp in battleground states like UP...

Chances are most mainorities in UP won;t read hindi press. They'll prolly prefer urdu press. But still, above kind of narrative has its uses, lessens psec defences within those nominally yindu but deracinated or delusional or brainwashed etc...

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 25 Jan 2014 12:49

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Rally preparations underway in Kolkata for Narendra Modi's upcoming rally in the city pic.twitter.com/BCiamV9POR

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 25 Jan 2014 12:57

^^^ Little bit of background of the pic will help.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 25 Jan 2014 14:40

In Kolkata... aaha.... if cal can be rescued then India can be as well....

I'd hope for the prominent display of Vivekananda and Netaji icons in NM's campaign in WB for sure....

Would be a great gesture on NM's part to go visit Deganga ...