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Long book review on the Britsh and how they divide Greater Indian Region(GIR)

How Colonial Britain Divided to Rule

BOOK REVIEW
How colonial Britain divided to rule
Define and Rule: Native as Political Identity by Mahmood Mamdani

Reviewed by Piyush Mathur

In Define and Rule: Native as Political Identity, Mahmood Mamdani carries forward his pioneering, hefty contributions to (what I would call) an historical epistemology of world politics: this time by discussing (the European colonization of) not only Africa - his usual focus - but also India, the Malay States, and the Dutch East Indies.

Mamdani argues that the British-colonial turn to indirect rule as a response to India's Great Revolt of 1857 hinged on producing a set of codependent, dichotomous identities involving native and settler, to which the modern preoccupation with defining and managing difference is traceable. He concludes that "native does not designate a condition that is original and authentic" but was created in specific forms by "the colonial state" using specific tactics (p2).

Unlike previous European imperial governments, "including Roman and British 'direct' rule before mid-nineteenth century" and the French policy of "'assimilation'" as well as its early-20th-century counterpart of 'association'", indirect rule shifted the focus from civilizing and assimilating "colonized elites" to defining mass subjectivity in differentia from the elite imperial minority (p1, p43). However, indirect rule's institutionalization of both political and social differences distinguishes it from "the modern state" as well, which "ensures" political equality "while acknowledging" civil differences (p2).

The core of British indirect rule's ostensibly protectionist differentiation was replicated elsewhere So, after "the law enforced, the census recorded and history memorialized ... caste, religion, and tribe" among Indians, the Malay States saw their population defined as "civilized" versus "aboriginal"; residents of the Dutch East Indies found themselves defined as Europeans, foreign Orientals, or natives; and, after the Berlin Conference (November 15,1884 - February 26, 1885), the census generally classified Africans into "races" and "tribes" (p46, p35).

Indirect rule: intellectual and administrative

Mamdani discusses "the mode of indirect rule ... both as an intellectual reflection on the mid-nineteenth-century crisis of empire" - comprising the Great Revolt of 1857 and Morant Bay in Jamaica in 1865 - "and as a set of colonial reforms designed to ameliorate" it (p4).

He frames Sir Henry James Sumner Maine's (1822-1888) tremendously influential formulations on the British-Indian crisis as a template for the institutionalization of the native-settler dichotomy through subsequent Euro-imperial crises elsewhere. Regarding the latter, he discusses the writings of Frank Swettenham (1850-1946) in the Malay States, Christiaan Snouck Hurgronje (1857-1936) in the Dutch East Indies, and key colonial and nationalistic historians of Africa (especially on the Sudanic belt).

As for the colonial reforms themselves, he focuses on the British-Indian administrative initiatives following Queen Victoria's Proclamation of 1858; Swettenham's divisively protectionist measures in British Malaya following the 1874 Treaty of Pangkor; Cornelius Van Vollenhoven's (1874-1933) implementation of Snouck Hurgronje's formulations in the Dutch East Indies after the Aceh War (1873-1914); and the British tribalization of Darfur (where the Indian lessons were first applied within Africa) after the Battles of Omdurman (1898) and Umm Diwaykarat (1899).

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Post-1857 British India

Maine had blamed the failure of the "civilizing mission" of the liberal Utilitarians and Evangelicals on their lack of understanding of "native ... religions and social belief" (p9). Toward generating that understanding, he had shifted the attention to "observing daily life" of Indians (whom he had presumed were primitive) from the erstwhile Eurocentric Orientalist study of Sanskrit texts. He was driven by, and also contributed to, dubious theories of history that implied that one could understand the past of a presumed progressive or modern civilization (the West) by observing presumed primitive contemporary civilizations (the non-West).

On the whole, Maine's approach - Mamdani shows - was only superficially empirical, selective, racialized, analytically misleading, and logically flawed. He believed in a real India whose "'extreme geographical isolation'" had left it unadulterated by external influences and ended up manufacturing it while trying to articulate where to find it. He opined that the Indians were ancient offshoots of the so-called Aryan race - except that they had failed to progress from kinship-based "'natural groups'" to individuals and from "customary to civil law" because, like the Irish, they had failed to benefit from the Roman Empire (p16, p19).

Being custom-bound (as ensured by its religion - "'Brahminism'"), India - in Maine's framework - was also status-driven, cultural, and contextual. For having an abstract civil law, the West, on the contrary, was contract-based and free from culture as well as context. While India's civilization had been arrested by its customs (which he dubiously singularized as customary law), Western civilization had led to its civil, progressive, abstract, modern law (p6, p16, p20).

These ideas, Mamdani illustrates, retained "a theory of nativism" that rendered "the settler" as "modern", historically progressive, and belonging to a legislated or political society - and the "native" as traditional, defined by geography, naturally stagnated, insulated, and religio-cultural (p44, p6, p14). For Indians, unlike for the Europeans, Maine therefore recommended "local ... decentralized ... and customary" governance (p26).

Administratively, this discriminatorily protectionist stance came inscribed in "the doctrine of noninterference in the private domain, especially in religion" via Queen Victoria's Proclamation of 1858 (p26). The doctrine entailed distinguishing between the private and the public via "legal and administrative" reforms put in place through 1862-1872. Through these reforms, "multiple personal codes" (one for each officially recognized religious group) were promulgated; however, "a single legal bureaucracy" was institutionalized for the public sphere by rendering "Islamic law" inapplicable in criminal trials, abolishing "all Persian titles", and debarring "Muslim assistants to the colonial courts" (p29).

The government also restricted "the market" in the name of "protecting the village community from moneylenders", farmers from traders, and "the landlord's estate from division and fragmentation" (people so grouped through the Censuses' caste and tribe categories); it also established special protections to the religious minorities it defined: "Muslims in the 1880s and 1890s" followed by Sikhs, "non-Brahmin groups," and "Hill Peoples" (p27). Later, "the Indian Councils Act of 1909, also known as the Morley-Minto Reforms" created "separate electorates ... in the provincial and central legislative bodies" for whose council seats "only Muslims were entitled to vote" (p30).

{Just yesterday the Congress govt declared minority status for Jains. One can see from this book review the origins of separate laws and reservations for each group that the British introduced and COngress continues. This is one reason why I call Congress Brown East India Company.}
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To illustrate the above generality of African colonization, Mamdani focuses on Darfur, where, after defeating "the Mahdiyya in the Battle of Omdurman", the British resorted to "tribalization" to counteract the Mahdiyya's Sufi-inspired ideology, Mahdism (p69, p71).

While being "anti-imperialist", mass-supported, and violently "repressive", the Mahdiyya themselves used to have an all-round cosmopolitan make-up (p71). The tribalization began to unfold as the British, making it "the centerpiece of their strategy in Sudan," sliced up "Darfur, the province into a series of homelands, dars" - which they had "identified with a tribe administratively tagged as native", attaching significant advantages to one's official nativity by origin (p71).

In this, the British "subverted" the customary meaning of dar, which used to signify "one of several locations, starting with one's immediate dwelling and extending to several localities in a series of concentric circles" (p71, p72). However, the new colonial definition of home as "tribal homeland ... became the basis of voluntary organization over time" (p72).

Uniquely for Africa, Darfur's tribalization systematized discrimination against "pastoralist tribes" in favor of "peasant" tribes (p73). That feature aside, the rest "is obtained in all African contexts ... from Eastern Africa to Nigeria, from Sudan to South Africa" excepting Rwanda, where "the historiography and the land tenure system, local administration and dispute resolution - were racialized" (rather than being "joined ... to a tribalized administration") in that "[e]very institution privileged Tutsi over Hutu" (p72).

{The NWFP was sliced and diced leading to the current Afghan mess}

The Hamitic Hypothesis, 'Arabization'

As for the intellectual component behind the construction of native versus settler dichotomy - and Africa's racialist tribalization - Mamdani blames the historiography that has rested on the so called "'Hamitic Hypothesis'," according to which "Africa was civilized from the outside, with light-skinned or fine-featured migrants from the north civilizing natives to the south" (p55).

He mentions the key historians - both colonial and anti-colonial nationalistic ones - who believed in that hypothesis, discussing some of them; he also outlines the key "forms" of this hypothesis.

In the 19th and early 20th centuries' colonial writings regarding central Africa, the Tutsi are "cast ... as the Hamites and the Hutu as the native"; in colonial accounts of West Africa, "the Berbers were cast" as "Hamites and ... presented as the founders of Hausa states and thus civilizers of the Hausa".

In writings regarding the Sudan, this hypothesis, which dubiously "knit together disparate histories of the Sudan" comes up as "Arabization" of native Negroes; and then there is the "Pan-Africanist version" - such as that authored by "Cheikh Anta Diop, who cast Egypt as the great civilizer of the rest of Africa".

Mamdani points out that while Diop "darkened the complexion of Hamites" by rendering "Egyptians of the Pharaonic period as a black people", he "left the logic of colonial historiography intact" (p54).

Focusing on its Arabization version, Mamdani debunks the belief that there was "an ongoing confrontation" between Arab invaders and native Negroes - averring that Arabs never invaded Sudan (p57). His account clarifies that Africa's Arabization had little to do with the Arabs, per se - and that the meaning of "Arab" in the historical context of Africa has been far from uniform.

Instead, an "Arab" identity was embraced in three major distinctive phases - between the early-16th century founding of the Sultanate of Funj and the 19th-century European colonization - by local royals, merchants, and masses respectively for spiritual, commercial, and political reasons (which he carefully outlines). In the last phase, for instance, "Arab" attracted many common Africans owing to "the anti-colonial pan-Arab movements, particularly Nasserism" (p59).

These temporal variations in the manifestation of Africa's Arabization aside, there were regional variations: While "settled" and powerful people got to be called Arab in "historical Funj, the heartland of northern Sudan", it was "nomads marginal to power" that were called Arab "in Darfur" (p59, p60).

In the book's last section, Mamdani provides a brief qualitative sketch of Africa's decolonization as a nationalistic "preoccupation of ... the intelligentsia and the political class" and as an attempt at going beyond the colonial dichotomy of settlers versus natives (p85). Through "the thick of civil war", the intellectuals attempted "to give the independent state a history", just as the politicians attempted "to create a common citizenship as the basis of national sovereignty" (p85).

As "mainly a post-colonial development", the African university has generally lacked distance from politics; hence, Mamdani credits here Nigeria and South Africa for "creating a significant density of institutional life" as a precondition for intellectual autonomy (p88). Given its benefit of autonomy, Nigeria happened to develop "an alternative historiography to colonial conventions on race and tribe" (p87, p88).

{Roots of the Congress desire to control education thru the UGC in India}
Conclusion

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A weakness of the work is that Mamdani does not question the conceptual status of "tribe" at all - let's say in the anthropological tradition. Hence, he is driven to showing that those that had been deemed "tribal" by the imperialists were not in fact tribal - by stressing such peoples' pre-colonial cosmopolitanism, demographic fluidity, or political organizing, etcetera. If, however, he had investigated further into the anthropological literature, then he would have come to know that the term "tribe" never actually came around meaningfully and has been deemed inherently flawed since Morton Fried (1975).

Another intriguing, worrisome problem with the book is that it shows no awareness of, and does not engage with the fact that the British efforts to develop pure, native law for India had dated as far back as Warren Hastings, the first governor-general of Bengal through 1772-1785, at whose initiative N B Halhed compiled A Code of Gentoo Laws; or, Ordinations of the Pandits in 1776. Further, compiling an "Ur-text that would simultaneously establish the Hindu and Muslim law" had preoccupied the British since Sir William Jones (1746-1794), well before the Great Revolt of 1857 or imposition of the indirect rule (Bernard Cohn, 1996, p69).

Mamdani likely has an explanation for his jump to Maine; however, he has not shared it with us. In any case, the book's early, pivotal dependence on this singular historical character - out of the crowded past - has about as many strategic disadvantages as benefits.

Define and Rule: Native as Political Identity by Mahmood Mamdani. Harvard University Press (September 17, 2012). ISBN-10: 0674050525. Price: US$25.62; 168 pages.

Piyush Mathur is an independent observer.

(Copyright 2013 Piyush Mathur)

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http://www.project-syndicate.org/commen ... e-in-power
India’s Decade of Decay
NEW DELHI – Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, who has been in office since 2004, recently held what was only the second press conference of his current five-year term, which is rapidly approaching an inglorious end. Betraying his yearning for approval, Singh told the assembled journalists that he hoped that history would judge his tenure more kindly than his political adversaries do.
That outcome seems unlikely, at best. On the contrary, Singh’s once-great Congress party is now at a political impasse, from which it can escape only if it frees itself from its destructive dynastic leadership. After more than a half-century in government – much of India’s modern life as an independent country – the era of Congress dominance appears to be over.Perhaps the clearest indication of the party’s decline occurred in December, when it suffered crushing defeats in four key state-assembly elections. In Rajasthan, Congress won only 21 seats, while India’s second-largest political force, the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), won 162. This unnatural arrangement instantly earned acid comments. As one observer astutely remarked, “Where there is authority, there is no ability; but where there is some ability, there is no authority.” Despite Singh’s academic abilities, his potential as India’s top politician was severely limited. Over time, it became apparent that Singh’s government was worse than ineffective; it was doomed to fail, because Singh’s strengths lie in serving as an obedient and capable subordinate, not as an agenda-setting leader who acts decisively.der his role in managing India’s economic transformation when he was the country’s finance minister in the early 1990’s – an effort that his supporters have often cited as an example of his vision and ability. Last year, former External Affairs Minister Natwar Singh disclosed that it was actually then-Prime Minister Narasimha Rao, a shrewd and experienced Congress veteran, who pushed India’s economic reform and restructuring. Singh, reluctant to do what was needed, would have achieved very little had Rao not provided a platform – and the needed political support – to pursue the government’s agenda. Early on, there were intimations that Singh should neither be underestimated as a political manipulator, nor overestimated as an effective economic manager.
But Singh’s ineptitude as a leader was already apparent before the revelation of Rao’s role. Not only has economic reform come to a virtual standstill since he took office, but he has also acquiesced to all of Gandhi’s demands, legitimate or otherwise.As a result, governance, and thus the economy, has been deteriorating. India has been taken hostage by an extra-constitutional body composed of NGOs, brought together under the National Advisory Council, which is chaired by Gandhi. With the cabinet having become superfluous, the NAC’s decrees – including half-baked ideas inspired by the European welfare state – became policy.As a result, Singh has presided over a sharp economic slowdown and soaring prices, especially for food. Meanwhile, political scandals, financial scams, and other criminal activities have proliferated under Congress rule since 2004. The UPA regime has effectively looted the country, and rampant corruption and a lack of accountability have decimated its leading party’s credibility.Through all of this, the supposedly economically literate Singh was little more than a silent spectator, offering only denials of responsibility or trite remarks from the perspective of a political outsider. And, while the damage that he has caused to Congress is for the party to solve, the damage that his aloofness has caused to the institution of Prime Minister is a problem for all Indians.
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Two related posts from Bangladesh thread....
gpati wrote:Brishaspati ji, Is Emperor Ashoka's said remorse and yearning for peace after Kanlinga, a propaganda myth? From limited sources I read so far, he adopted Buddhism before the war and was very ruthless in crushing his enemies. In fact, his prison was called "Ashoka's Hell". He very well knew what war with Kalinga meant.
and reply...

quote="brihaspati"]gpati ji,
probably OT on this thread. Yes, I think it is about propaganda. I wrote once that I think Buddhism developed and grew in interaction with Magadhan imperialism, and just like Roman Christianity, shaped - and in turn was shaped by - imperial agenda. Buddhist sangha and monk-cover classical intellectual-but-power-seekers-by-proxy clergy used Asoka in his drive for legitimacy, and he used them.

It would be tactically typical of imperialists to insist on "peaceful values" on the "subjects" once the latter had been defeated by military coercion. I also see Asoka being bandied about so much - starting from European colonial reconstruction of Indian heritage, and their praise for the "emperor" who dropped expansive conquest from the Indian agenda [they explicitly emphasize this in their writings so much that I wonder why people failed to notice the colonialist agenda underneath] as well as who trained Indians to apparently glorify in passively giving it "all up".


Interestingly Buddhist past of India is sort of sympathetically treated in islamist literature, especially in BD. They consistently try to represent pre-Buddhist or post-Buddhist Hindu society of Bengal as "repressive". What Islamists like in an ideology, should make us immediately aware of what is wrong with that ideology. Then they quietly suppress any talk of as to why this non-repressive, pacifist Bengal Buddhist class had to be militarily pounced upon by such sword-wielding saintly Sufi adventurers from Yemen as Shah Jalal, who participated in battles on the local Srihatta [Sylhet] Buddhist ruler and who then coerced/abducted the ruler's daughter into marriage.[/quote]
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India: Woman gang-raped on orders of 'kangaroo court'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-25855325
Police in India's West Bengal state have arrested 13 men in connection with a gang rape of a woman, allegedly on orders of village elders who objected to her relationship with a man.The 20-year-old woman has been admitted to a hospital in a critical condition.Unofficial courts in India's villages often sanction killings of couples deemed to have violated local codes.Scrutiny of sexual violence in India has grown since the 2012 gang rape and murder of a student on a Delhi bus.
, Dr Asit Biswas, told me that she was now in a stable condition, but that
she needs counselling after her ordeal. He said she was a brave woman. He would not discuss the details of the case saying that a full medical report had been sent to the police.On a road near the hospital, a small group of sari-clad women held a protest demanding justice for the victim.Her family have not spoken to the media and local journalists who have been to her village say that many residents are too scared to speak about the case.I left the hospital with many questions still unanswered. But the scale of India's problems can be seen by the latest case here - a seven-year-old girl was being rushed in after allegedly being raped by her teacher.The government tightened laws on sexual violence last year after widespread protests following the attack.
But violence and discrimination against women remain deeply entrenched in India's staunchly patriarchal society.The suspects were produced in court and have been remanded in custody. They have not yet made any public comment.Santhals have been known for living in peace in closely-knit communities bound by ritualistic codes, with none of the caste-based hierarchies and conflicts which mark India's majority Hindus. ”Although honour killings, sanctioned by unofficial courts that are common in parts of northern India, are unheard of in the tribal Santhal community, women are still treated as second class citizens.The woman went to the Siuri district hospital seeking urgent help
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Reserve Bank to withdraw all pre-2005 currency notes from circulation
MUMBAI: The Reserve Bank on Wednesday decided to withdraw all currency notes issued prior to 2005, including Rs 500 and Rs 1,000 denominations, after March 31 in a move apparently aimed at curbing black money and fake currencies.

"After March 31, 2014, it (RBI) will completely withdraw from circulation all bank notes issued prior to 2005. From April 1, 2014, the public will be required to approach banks for exchanging these notes," the RBI said in a statement.
BUT

Secret Indian currency template compromised: CBI
NEW DELHI: The secret template India uses to print currency notes has been "compromised" and that is possibly why fake but real-looking Indian currency notes are being pumped in to subvert the country's economy, says the Central Bureau of Investigation.

The CBI, the nodal agency for checking fake notes, has now formed a special team comprising its sleuths and officials from the Directorate of Revenue Intelligence, the Reserve Bank of India and the Central Forensic Science Laboratory to find out how and at what level the design got "compromised".

"Our investigations have revealed that the 2005 secret security template which was introduced as part of the new design adopted then has been compromised," CBI Director Ashwini Kumar said.

Asked, if the country was still using the security template, he said, "yes".
If 2005 template is compromised, then why pre-2005 notes are being recalled? One of the biggest scam happening right in front of our eyes.
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Ramana has spoken of the 2014 internal proxies,none so insidious than the so-called saviour of the people,Fuhrer Kejriwal and his Gestapo chief Herr Bharti! Here is Karlekar on the subject.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/columnists/ ... prout.html
Seeds of mob justice have begun to sprout
Saturday, 25 January 2014 | Hiranmay Karlekar |

Today it is African women, tomorrow it will be political opponents who will be victims of Aam Aadmi Party’s high-handedness and blatant arrogance. This cannot go on. Democracy must not be made a mockery of

“When I asked the men why they were subjecting us to this torture, they punched me in the face and said, ‘You will know why very soon’. Despite our refusal we were forced to undergo this painful test. How can they say we are involved in a drug-and-prostitution case just because we are black?” This is what a report in The Indian Express of January 18, quotes one of the four African women who had been traumatised by Aam Aadmi Party supporters, as saying. They were also forced on January 16 to undergo medical test at AIIMS for drug use. The tests ruled out the consumption of any psychotropic substance by them.

On January 17 morning, the women approached the police with separate complaints against unnamed AAP supporters whom they accused of abusing, groping and beating them while keeping them captive. The Indian Express report cited above quoted a police officer as saying, “The complainants state that the women were touched inappropriately by partymen who held them captive. The women stated that the men called them names, abused them saying that they indulged in illegal activities.”

Another report in The Indian Express of January 23, quotes Ms Barkha Singh, Chairperson, Delhi Commission for Women, as saying that three (of the women victimised) had claimed that unknown persons had forcibly entered their house at night, demanded their passports and began opening suitcases. The women also claimed that they were made to take off their clothes while checking for the key. Ms Singh further said, “Two of the Ugandan women have said that they were stopped while returning from work and made to give urine samples while sitting in a taxi.”

Forcible entry into any house at night is a serious offence, particularly when it is inhabited by women; so is the detention of women by a mob. The conduct of AAP members raise serious questions; so does that of Delhi Government’s Law Minister, Mr Somnath Bharti, who, according to a Ugandan woman, stood outside their house on the night of the raid, saying that blacks indulged in illegal activities.

As a Minister sworn to uphold the Constitution of India, the matrix for the enactment and enforcement of the country’s civil and criminal laws, Mr Bharti had a duty to prevent his partymen from taking the law into their own hands. Instead, on the night of January 15-16, he, accompanied by his supporters, sought to browbeat the Station House Officer of the Malviya Nagar Police Station, Mr Vijay Pal Singh, into raiding, without following the due process of law, a building where, he claimed, a drug-cum-sex racket was being run!

The allegations of groping and beating have to be proved but cannot be dismissed casually, given the experience that such acts tend to follow from the dynamics of lynch-mob behaviour against helpless victims, particularly women. Also, people who think nothing of intimidating the police to act illegally, have scant regard for the law and are generally themselves prone to behave illegally, even criminally. Besides, the allegation of racist behaviour against the Minister and AAP supporters has to be viewed in the context of the subterranean stream of prejudice against all those who are different — and obsession with the fair skin-prevalent in many parts of India.

There is another aspect. India has built up considerable goodwill in African countries through its principled opposition to racism exemplified by its stand against apartheid when it was in force in South Africa. Outrages like the one by the AAP Minister and supporters not only erode that but endanger the safety of the thousands of Indians who live and work in African countries as well as India’s growing economic ties with these. The Ministry of External Affairs has saved the situation this time by calling a meeting of envoys of African countries and telling them that the Centre considered the matter “condemnable” and promising appropriate action.

Such a promise will not work if there is another similar outrage, which cannot be ruled out given the boost that Mr Bharti’s conduct must have administered to racist sentiments in the area where, according to a report, considerable support exists for what he did. His removal from office would have sent the message around that such outrages will not go unpunished. Instead, ruling out any wrongdoing on the Minister’s part, AAP’s chief spokesman, Mr Yogendra Yadav, said on January 23 that Mr Bharti “should in fact be praised because he gave up his comforts to look into this matter, which many residents had complained about”.

It is not a question of the Minister taking up residents’ complaints but of how. Mr Bharti should have taken up the matter of a drug-cum-sex racket with the police-at various levels, if necessary — and, failing to find satisfaction, could have gone public with his complaint, citing it to strengthen the demand for transferring control over Delhi Police from the Centre to the State Government. He did not do that. If anything, his conduct only strengthens the case for keeping Delhi Police under the Union Ministry of Home Affairs.

The implications of Mr Bharti’s conduct as also that or another Delhi Minister, Ms Rakhi Birla, who wanted the police to break into — without a warrant — another house in connection with the case of a woman being set on fire, call for careful scrutiny. The Ministers’ demands in both cases, that the police violate the law, imply that the law matters little; what does is their command.

Remarkably, the AAP demanded action against personnel of Delhi Police who stood up to them. Nobody holds that Delhi Police is an ideal law enforcement agency. The thrust of the many serious charges against it, however, is that it acts not according to the law but out of considerations that are often questionable and arbitrary. It will be disastrous if questionable and arbitrary conduct by Delhi Police is replaced by such conduct by AAP leaders.

Their weapon is mob violence and intimidation. The targets can be individuals they dislike or institutions that oppose their will. Everything that comes in their way — even the Republic Day function — is dismissed contemptuously. Today, it is African women. Tomorrow, it may well be political opponents, who have vitriolic abuses and threats hurled at them by AAP leaders like Mr Bharti. Those inclined to jump into the AAP’s bandwagon and those watching from the sidelines, should ponder this, and also Pastor Niemoller’s memorable words,

“First they [Nazis] came for the communists, and I did not speak out — because I was not a communist;/Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out — because I was not a socialist; / Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out — because I was not a trade unionist; / Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out — because I was not a Jew; / Then they came for me — and there was no one left to speak out for me.”
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Hindusthan Times

The Saffron Muslim
The saffron Muslim
Danish Raza, Hindustan Times New Delhi, January 18, 2014
First Published: 22:59 IST(18/1/2014) | Last Updated: 12:14 IST(19/1/2014)

A week before the 65th Independence Day, Imran Chaudhry, a PhD student at the national capital's Jamia Millia Islamia university did something which would pit him against everyone in his neighbourhood in the walled city of old Delhi. Chaudhry got posters pasted on the walls of the labyrinthine lanes of the primarily minority-dominated area, informing locals that senior Rashtriya Swayam Sewak Sangh (RSS) leader Indresh Kumar would be addressing a gathering in the area on August 15.

Retaliatory posters asking people to boycott the event appeared within hours. Chaudhry remembers the snide remarks of his acquaintances. "One of them commented that those who had been baying for the blood of the Muslim community were now coming here to address them," he says. To understand Chaudhry's motives, a senior neigbourhood cleric met him privately and chided him saying, "It's understandable if you prefer the BJP over other political parties; but the RSS?"


As the national co-convener of the Muslim Rashtriya Manch (MRM) - a social organisation floated by the RSS with more than 10,000 members across the country - Chaudhry says he is now used to such jibes from members of his community. "Through the MRM, the RSS has extended an olive branch to the Muslim community. It's the duty of the Muslims to reciprocate and I am doing just that," says the 40-year-old. In December 2010, when Indresh Kumar's name was associated with the Mecca Masjid blast, Chaudhry was at the forefront of a demonstration at the capital's Jantar Mantar, defending the Sangh leader, who, he says, is like a father figure to him. "I couldn't back out when he needed us the most," he says.

Soon after joining the MRM, Irfan Chaudhry, All India co-convener of the organisation, faced lot of criticism from various quarters. Now his family and friends realise that he is a good job of bringing the two communities together, he says. (Raj K Raj/HT Photo)

The idea of the MRM, the Sangh's only body to reach out to Muslims, was conceptualised in December 2002 - 88 years after the RRS was born - when the late K Sudarshan, former RSS chief, addressed a gathering at the Chanakyapuri residence of Nafisa Hussain, then member of the National Commission for Women.

He had expressed concern that young Muslims were being targeted on terror charges across the globe and to an audience of approximately a dozen Muslims, a few of them BJP sympathizers, he said he knew the spirit of Islam did not propagate the ideology of Jihad as it was interpreted by terrorists.

"After the programme, we brainstormed on how to remove misconceptions about each others' religions and decided to form a social organisation called 'Mai (Mother) Hindustan' as all Indians are the children of Mother India," recalls 49-year-old Dr Tahir Hussain, professor of geography at Mekelle University, Ethiopia, and one of the founder members of the MRM. The organisation's name was later changed to Rashtriya Muslim Manch and finally to Muslim Rashtriya Manch (MRM).
The MRM now has a presence in 22 states
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Friends with benefits

MRM members do not follow the drill in sangh shakhas or wear the khaki half pants that are mandatory for all RSS members.

None of the MRM members would admit that propagating the RSS ideology of a Hindu Rashtra is on their agenda. "The idea is to bring the two communities together," says Hussain.

Dr Hussain, a professor with the Mekelle University, Ethiopia, believes in the idea of a secular India. "During riots, it is not about Hindus and Muslims. Whoever is killed is an Indian and whoever kills, is a devil," he says. (Raj K Raj/HT Photo)

However, the RSS cannot be extricated from the MRM. From time to time, the organisation has spearheaded campaigns such as the one calling for a ban on cow slaughter to carry out the message of its parent body. Last October, Hussain, who is from Mewat district in Haryana, organised a panchayat of 12 villages there, to ban cow slaughter. "If it is about eating meat, we have other options such as chicken or mutton. If not eating beef can help us come closer to our Hindu brothers, what is wrong in it?" he asks.

Like most MRM members who overtly displayed their affiliation to the RSS, Hussain believes he faces some ostracism. A book entitled 'Environment, Ecology And Natural Resources' which he co-authored with wife Marry Tahir Hussain, as a research associate at Jamia Millia Islamia University, acknowledges the couple's gratitude to 'guruji' Indresh Kumar in the introduction. "I think this is the reason why I never got a permanent job at the university," Hussain says. "My point is that if you have any issues with something which I have done, discuss it with me. Why punish me like this?"

MRM members insist the minority community's suspicions of the RSS are misplaced. During his visit to the RRS camp in Bhopal in the holy month of Ramzan, Hussain was impressed that, every day, one of the pracharaks woke him up before dawn to eat (Sehri) before starting the day's fast. "They also held an iftaar gathering. They are very down-to-earth people. People ask me why RSS? I say why not RSS?" he says.

Imran Chaudhry says everything he had read and heard about the Sangh Parivar's extreme ideology was proved wrong when he met its current head Mohan Bhagwat at the RSS headquarters in Nagpur. "He hugged me. He never put any pressure on me to dress like a pracharak or to convert to Hinduism. And the perception is that these people will do shuddhi of the Muslim community," he says.

Not surprisingly, the minority community largely continues to believe the RSS is intrinsically an anti-Muslim body and that personal experiences such as Hussain's and Chaudhry's don't matter. "RSS promotes the ideology of a Hindu nation where individual religious choices do not matter. They want everyone to think like a Hindu nationalist. If a Muslim is propagating such an ideology, I would say he is a traitor," says Dr Jamal Ahmed, a physician in the walled city area.

Being apolitical?

The MRM's national executive body, comprising of 24 members, is in regular touch with the RSS' Delhi office and holds monthly meetings at a rented flat in Paharganj to chalk out its agenda. It is then conveyed to a working committee of 250 members which ensures its implementation through the cadre.

As in its social ideology, there is a strange dichotomy in the MRM's political beliefs. The larger feeling among members, something they stress on, is that this organisation has no political purpose. In an hour-long conversation, Mohammad Afzal, national convener, repeated five times that the role and responsibilities of its members were different from that of the BJP cadre and that while the MRM is a social organisation, the task of the BJP's minority cell involves mobilising minorities for the party.

In the run-up to the 2014 Lok Sabha poll, however, the lines look set to be blurred.

Afzal reveals the message his organisation would convey in the upcoming campaigns: "We have tried every so-called secular party. Why not try the BJP? We should stop treating the BJP as an untouchable party."

Towards this end, the MRM is conceptualising a two-month programme to be implemented on a war footing. Plans include conducting public meetings in more than 100 districts, holding three rallies covering around 20 states, and creating a network of sympathetic clerics at dargahs and seminaries.

Nazim Nizami, the sufi priest of Dargah Nizamuddin, says people from divergent religions and sects are welcome at the dargaah and the fact that the MRM is affiliated to the RSS – a body seen intrinsically to Muslims – cannot be a reason for him to say no to them. (Raj K Raj/HT Photo)

"The Congress government ensured that Muslims do not progress; it did not bother about creating a leadership among the community; but it's always the BJP which is viewed as the enemy," says Afzal. On the Godhra riots, he gives the usual response that, in independent India, more riots have happened in Congress-ruled states than in the ones ruled by the BJP and cites the example of the killing of Sikhs in the 1984 riots in Delhi.

"Congress butchered the Sikhs, but the community did not leave the party. The result is for all of us to see. They remained part of the mainstream and we have a Sikh as the Prime Minister of the country today. Why should we leave the BJP because we have had Godhra?" he wonders.

Interestingly, not all members of the organisation are convinced about disseminating the political message. "If this is going to happen, I will register my opposition," says Mushir Khan, convener, Delhi chapter, MRM, when asked about his organisation's preparations for the 2014 polls.

Nizam Nizami, the chief priest at Dargah Nizamuddin in the capital is averse to discussing anything political. "The dargah is a place of peace," he says when you meet him in his office at the shrine. A hundred pictures of Nizami with political and non-political personalities forms a collage on the wall behind him. Though not an active member of the MRM, he is aware of its activities and believes it is a good initiative to bring the two communities together.

"Here, we get visitors from all sects and communities. Sufism talks about peace and harmony. I don't see anything wrong if an effort like this has been made," he says, referring to the MRM.

What about the RSS?

"All these wrong things that you hear about it, have been propagated by people with a small mentality," he says, as he leaves for evening prayers.

Does the MRM indicate an attitudinal shift among Indian Muslims? "Around 10,000 Muslims joining an organization affiliated to the RSS does not mean much. Even the Shiv Sena in Mumbai has Muslim shaakha pramukhs. If the Congress can use token Muslims, then the RSS can do it too," says sociologist Dipankar Gupta. :mrgreen:

Seema Mustafa, political analyst and author of the book 'Azadi's Daughter- journey of a liberal Muslim', agrees. "We need to take it with a pinch of salt. Even if the MRM has these many members and they approach the minority community with a political message, the BJP is not the party for which the minorities in India will ever vote. It is diametrically opposite to the idea of a secular party," she says.

Whether the objective is to change the psyche of an average Indian Muslim towards the RSS or to sway the Muslim vote in favour of the BJP or both, the Muslim Rashtriya Manch clearly has a long way to go.
What the Seema Mustafas and the Dipankar Guptas want for Muslims in India is the freedom to practice their religion or millat status. They equate secualrism with millat status.

However secualarism in India is about making the majority Hindu deny his Hinduness. In a way its an outgrowth of the weakness of Hindus that Nehru promoted.
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http://www.newindianexpress.com/thesund ... 020286.ece
Its mythology over ideology for the Communist party of India as a survival strategy. Left staring at a rapidly shrinking support base, and unable to attract the new generation of voters, the Communist Party of India (CPI) is turning to the power of Hinduism to stay relevant.

Today, a three-day seminar begins in one of the last red bastions in the country which will focus on the “power of the past”. The Kannur meet—aptly called Bharateeyam—will have stalwarts studying the past to seek answers for the future.

For the first time in the history of any Left party, sessions will be held on traditional Indian knowledge systems, Indian philosophy and culture. Also on the agenda are detailed discussions on Vedic and pre-Vedic periods and the Upanishads.
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A_Gupta wrote:http://www.newindianexpress.com/thesund ... 020286.ece
Its mythology over ideology for the Communist party of India as a survival strategy. Left staring at a rapidly shrinking support base, and unable to attract the new generation of voters, the Communist Party of India (CPI) is turning to the power of Hinduism to stay relevant.

Today, a three-day seminar begins in one of the last red bastions in the country which will focus on the “power of the past”. The Kannur meet—aptly called Bharateeyam—will have stalwarts studying the past to seek answers for the future.

For the first time in the history of any Left party, sessions will be held on traditional Indian knowledge systems, Indian philosophy and culture. Also on the agenda are detailed discussions on Vedic and pre-Vedic periods and the Upanishads.
CPI was anyway nationalist faction of communists. In '62 war the faction which supported china and called Bharat the aggressor, broke off and created anti-national party called CPI-Marxist.

While those supporting Bharat against china remained in CPI.

Good to see them going back to roots taking the path of Late Shri Sita Ram Goel.
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CPI - CPIM break was about russia - china split in marxism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Soviet_Split

nothing to do with india. Both of them have no Indian nationalism, only external masters. When their masters split, they split.
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Umm...neither was the CPI exclusively driven by so-called "nationalism" in 62, nor was the Indian split based on pure formal pretensions of Soviet-Mao split in the external sphere.

Internal factors were the main drivers on which the typical format of the then communist movement was based and then still strongly dominated by the so-called "Leninist" "party functioning" meant that private and more personal/real-politik rivalries and interpersonal or factional power struggles would have to be expressed in party fora or for the outside world in the form of polemical battles - often on issues far removed from the real cause.

The internal split in CPI happened as early as the "first" Telengana movement in the anti-Nizam-post-Nizam 48-51 phase. Since the Mao version succeeded in 1949-50 in China, already the communists engaged internally in India in a power struggle with the more "Soviet-leaning", often British communist movement "inspired/converted/recruited" elite students and professionals of early Indian communism - by the 1951 party meets - this "other" faction turned towards Maoist line.

This led to the extremes typical of communists in the late 50's early 60's phase, and trying to use teh global post-war gen youth/student radicalism - turned into full fledged Mao- versus - "revisionist-post-Stalinist" Soviet form.

Behind it was the classical reform/egalitarian "Hinduism" of the south-east corridor [all the way from Brahmaputra-valley -northern Bengal-Orissa-Andhra-Kerala - TN exception being skillfully played into the Tamil separatism - and adjacent areas of this corridor - eastern MP+Maha+southern Bihar] who gave the bulk of the pro-Maoist tendencies.

Note that under the polemics - it is the old periodic/cyclical Hindu undercurrent of seeking social and egalitarian justice, the strong peasant-artisan-commoner role, and radical "mass-movement fraction-submergence" style of trying to achieve it - from Bhakti saints to warrior monks like the Dasnamis/Sikhs.

The underlying "Hindu" memes, and the tradition of radicalism in these societies drove the intra-communist fights, whereby the specific forms of communism copied from abroad forced the outward expression of such fights towards seeking legitimacy in communism approved forms. In this case Mao happened to be a good "excuse".

Some well known later leaders of the CPIM were "vacillators" during the split, and further splits happened because even this radicalism was not enough for those who would become "Naxalites". The Naxalites are the twisted result of a retreat of Hinduism. They will die out if a new "Hinduism" can satisfy the persistent underlying drive for radical "reform".
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I think this belongs here:

http://www.infowars.com/bank-run-fears- ... thdrawals/

Bank Run Fears Escalate as Russian Lender Bans Cash Withdrawals
Fears of bank runs have escalated with the news that Russian lender ‘My Bank’ has banned all cash withdrawals until next week.

“Bloomberg reports that ‘My Bank’ – one of Russia’s top 200 lenders by assets – has introduced a complete ban on cash withdrawals until next week. While the Ruble has been losing ground rapidly recently, we suspect few have been expecting bank runs in Russia. Russia sovereign CDS had recently weakened to 4-month wides at 192bps,” reports Zero Hedge.

The source of the story is a person working inside the ‘My Bank’ call center, although officials for the bank have refused to comment.

On Saturday it emerged that HSBC was restricting large cash withdrawals for UK customers from £5000 upwards, forcing them to provide documentation of what they plan to spend the money on, a form of capital control that more and more banks are beginning to adopt.

This was followed by the story, which subsequently turned out to be false but caused market jitters nonetheless, that China’s commercial banks had been instructed to suspend cash transfers.

An IT glitch that prevented thousands of Lloyds Banking Group customers from withdrawing cash at ATMs in the UK also contributed to the concerns.

As we reported back in November, Chase Bank also recently imposed restrictions which prevent its customers from conducting over $50,000 in cash activity per month, as well as banning business customers from sending international wire transfers. Financial expert Gerald Celente said the news was a sign that Americans should prepare for a bank holiday.

Questions were already being asked of Chase after an incident last year when customers across the country attempted to withdraw cash from ATMs only to see that their account balance had been reduced to zero. The problem, which Chase attributed to a technical glitch, lasted for hours before it was fixed, prompting panic from some customers.

In November it was also reported that two of the biggest banks in America were stuffing their ATMs with 20-30 per cent more cash than usual in order to head off a potential bank run if the US defaults on its debt.

Atri ji, your Indrashakthi might be here sooner than anticipated.
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Maybe the want to invest in MyIRAs!
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May be in Same Vein..
Currency Crises Abroad Are Benefiting the U.S.

http://business.time.com/2014/01/30/cur ... g-the-u-s/

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nalysts are calling them “The Fragile Five,” a catchy sobriquet for five countries–Turkey, Brazil, India, South Africa and Indonesia–that have been experiencing serious turmoil in their economies and currencies in recent weeks.To one degree or another these five economies have been rocked by foreign investors who are taking their money and parking it in safer and increasingly more lucrative investments in developed countries like the U.S. This capital flight has caused these nations’ currencies to plummet in value, forcing central banks to raise interest rates and possibly weaken economic growth at home. This week, the Turkish Central Bank raised its interest rate a stunning 4.5%, hoping to convince investors to keep their money in Turkey.

So what exactly does a currency crisis in Turkey or India have to do with the U.S.? In recent days, foreign leaders like Brazilian President Dilma Roussef reportedly laid blame for economic troubles in her country at the feet of the United States’ Federal Reserve, saying ”the withdrawal of the monetary stimulus in developed countries” was fueling “market volatility.” Some analysts have dismissed this as simple scapegoating, but according to Eswar Prasad, a Cornell economist and author of a forthcoming book on the international monetary system, The Dollar Trap, the analysis is not entirely off the mark. Volatility in places like Brazil “isn’t an indictment of Federal Reserve policy, but it certainly is a side effect,” he says.
Presad explains that, following the financial crisis, the central banks of developed countries like the United States and Britain engaged in unprecedented efforts to keep interest rates very low, which motivated investors to look abroad for higher returns. Now that the U.S. is beginning to unwind this stimulus, and investors are beginning to worry about future growth prospects in places like Turkey, the reverse is happening. Money is flowing quickly from poorer countries to the developed world, fomenting economic instability in the process.The reason for this instability, Prasad argues, is dominant position of the U.S. dollar in global finance. But this is not just a worry for the citizens of The Fragile Five. It also affects the lives of everyday Americans in countless ways, from how much they pay for their mortgage to how much the U.S. government can afford to spend on things like Social Security.Instead of just holding onto dollars, however, central banks like to keep much of their reserves in U.S. treasury debt so that it can earn a return from the savings, while still being “liquid,” or easy to convert to cash in a pinch. The result is massive foreign demand for U.S. government debt. As of June 2013, roughly one-third of the U.S.’s outstanding $16.8 trillion in debt was owned by foreigners, while the Federal Reserve owned one-tenth. That’s a whole lot of demand for U.S. debt that is purely the result of the dollar’s role as the world’s “reserve” currency.The effect of all this foreign demand is to keep interest rates in America much lower than they otherwise would be. That means that we’re paying less for our cars, mortgages, and government debt that we would without that demand. It also means that the swift reduction in the deficit we’ve seen in recent years is probably unnecessary, especially because turmoil abroad is only going to make investing in U.S. government debt more attractive to investors in the near term. “The U.S. is in a very good position,” Prasad says. “All of this turmoil is going to drive even more capitol to our shores.”
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India should not succumb to prejudices against Bt crops: Manmohan Singh

http://www.financialexpress.com/news/in ... gh/1222791
Batting for Bt crops, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh today said India should not succumb to unscientific prejudices against genetically modified crops.

"While safety must be ensured, we should not succumb to unscientific prejudices against Bt crops", he said in his address at the 101st Indian Science Congress here.

Opinion has been sharply divided in India on introduction of genetically modified (GM) crops. There have been protests against such crops with several parties opposed to it.

"Our government remains committed to promoting the use of these new technologies for agricultural development," Singh said, adding that the "use of biotechnology has great potential to improve yield".

The Prime Minister called upon the scientific community to increase communication and engagement with society in explaining socially productive applications of technology alternatives and for improving the productivity of small and medium enterprises.

In order to ensure food security and to improve land and water productivity, "we have to launch a national drive for an ever-green revolution," he said.

"This will test the ingenuity of our agricultural scientists. Climate-resilient agriculture and modern bio-technological tools hold great promise. Use of biotechnology has great potential to improve yields," he said.

The Science Congress will conclude on February 7 and will focus on the theme of 'Innovations in Science and Technology for Inclusive Development'.

India must spend 2% GDP on science: Manmohan


http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/i ... 648525.ece
The Prime Minister announced that the Government would soon come out with another national mission on high performance computing with an outlay of Rs. 4,500 crore and was considering establishment of a national geographical information system with an outlay of Rs. 3,000 crore.

Further, he announced that India would soon join as an associate member the European organisation for nuclear research, CERN, where international projects such as the research on 'god particle’ is going on and was planning to host the third detector for the global Gravitational Wave Experiment. "A national mission on teaching to enhance the esteem of our teachers is also being launched’’.

Besides, he announced the names of five eminent scientists, who have been selected under the Government’s recently instituted Jawaharlal Nehru Fellowships. The fellowship is open exclusively to scientists who are either Nobel Laureates or Fellows of UK’s Royal Society, or members of the US or French academies of science. The selected scientists are entitled to a fellowship of US dollars 1,00,000 plus a research grant of Rs. 55 lakhs. They would have to conduct research in an institution in India for a period of 12 months, which can be spent in instalments spread over a three year period. The host institution would also get a grant of Rs. 10 lakhs for providing laboratory space, other infrastructure and facility.
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Who are the geniuses in Indian Olympic Association that managed to embarrass the country, the athletes and themselves at Sochi?
They were fold to elect clean non-corrupt officials before start of fame's and they decide to hold elections two days after.
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Jhujar wrote:May be in Same Vein..
Currency Crises Abroad Are Benefiting the U.S.

http://business.time.com/2014/01/30/cur ... g-the-u-s/
The article forgets to mention blatant cases like Zimbabwe, where the US-UK first did everything possible to spark runaway inflation and a curency crisis, and then the almighty dollar came in to save the day - making Zimbabwe a virtual monetary colony of the US and Mugabe isn't demonized much by the US-UK media anymore.
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Agnimitra wrote:
Jhujar wrote:May be in Same Vein..
Currency Crises Abroad Are Benefiting the U.S.

http://business.time.com/2014/01/30/cur ... g-the-u-s/
The article forgets to mention blatant cases like Zimbabwe, where the US-UK first did everything possible to spark runaway inflation and a curency crisis, and then the almighty dollar came in to save the day - making Zimbabwe a virtual monetary colony of the US and Mugabe isn't demonized much by the US-UK media anymore.
Zimbabwe has also allowed Bhayya Rupyya to act like the cousin of to its currency.
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Bji and all
'CIA had believed that Netaji could return in 1964'
Kolkata, Feb 7, 2014, (PTI)

http://www.deccanherald.com/ content/385066/cia-had-believed -netaji-could. html

American intelligence agency CIA had cast
doubt on the reported death of Subhas Chandra Bose in a plane crash in
1945 and was tipped off that Netaji would return from exile in 1964,
according to declassified documents.

"A search of our files indicates that there is no information available regarding
subject' s death that would shed any light on the reliability of the
reports," documents released by CIA said.


A document, dated February 1964, released by CIA said, "There now exists a strong
possibility that Bose is leading the rebellious group undermining the
current Nehru government."
:?: :?: :?:

Four declassified CIA documents were given to
researchers Abhishek Bose and Anuj Dhar, besides Netaji's grand-nephew
Chandra Bose, who had sought details under the Freedom of Information
Act.

In a report dated January 1949, the agency had noted the rumour that Bose was 'still alive'.

In a detailed analysis of the Indian political scenario in November 1950, a
highly-placed source had informed the CIA that it was being said in New
Delhi that Bose "is in Siberia, where he is waiting for a chance to
make a big come back.

Among the released documents, the oldest one goes back to May 1946, in which a confirmation of Netaji's death was sought from the Secretary of State in Washington DC.

"The hold which Bose had over the Indian imagination was tremendous and that if he
should return to this country trouble would result," wrote the then
American Consulate General in Mumbai.

When under house arrest by the Britishers, Netaji had escaped from India in 1941 to seek
international support for the freedom struggle. After organising the
Indian National Army with Japanese help he went missing in 1945.

He was last seen at the Bangkok Airport on August 17 1945. The Mukherjee
Commission, probing Bose's disappearance, had rejected that he died in a
plane crash in Taiwan on August 18, 1945.


The Prime Minister' s Office had earlier refused to furnish data on
documents and records it held on Netaji's disappearance, saying the
disclosure would harm India's relation with foreign countries.

Family members and researchers on Netaji's life have said that it was time for the Indian government to release the files.

What do they mean rebellious group undermining Nehru in Feb 1964? The old Syndicate? Was the Kamaraj plan a counter coup?
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So what happened? Do they say more about Bose? Any additional info on whether he was in the Gulag, or something else?
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ramanaji,
the curiosity from the US - in terms of available docs or hints in docs - runs up to 1964-65, and seems to dramatically decrease after that. So, given the primary British interests as seen from the Mountbatten-Nehru meet in Singapore, and subsidiary US interests, they must have had been fed info- or got so - if Bose at all was alive until that stage, that he was no more.

The "group" they are talking of - probably is an arrow towards the "syndicate", which at that date was not yet official. They were responsible in pushing LBS forward, who miraculously for the "other" party, was silenced in Soviet territory within the year. But I would take a lot of these so-called "released" CIA docs with a pinch of salt: they are uncannily reflective of sentiments and beliefs of the Nehru coterie, or the group in admin/politics which had made JLN their focal point.

Many of the CIA docs show unmistakable signs of voices from within the Congress, and more so from within a certain factional spectrum. CIA might have had willing voices from within the ruling circles eager to keep USA into the orbit: at least one example of someone reporting on IG's thought process in the buildup to the 71 war - to the CIA - shows that such moles need not have been non-existent before IG's time either.

Bose was a good scarecrow thrown around by a certain section of congressites to keep US/UK support behind themselves painting the possibility of "chaos", or anti-western feelings if "Bose returned". The Russian-Gulag rumour would be good for the pro-US lobby as it keeps most of the interested parties (in keeping Bose "away") happy.

But yes, 64 - as far as I know - was the last year to which the Brits +US maintained keen interest in Bose's possible location. But "released" CIA docs might not reflect real or reliable intel on Bose, and may reflect the anxieties of a section of Congressmen.
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Son of Disgraced General talks about the Ugly indian

The other telling situation occurs when we go abroad. If mistreated we often, if not readily, suspect racism even when that’s patently not the case. Usually it’s the first explanation that comes to mind.
A sly reference to DK issue perhaps.
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^^^ These are American parrots in India relaying their Master's Voice.
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chaanakya wrote:Son of Disgraced General talks about the Ugly indian
And I suppose this sh!tstain considers himself a Beautiful Indian. He beautified himself by learning to clench that lower jaw to an absurd extent to produce a truly pathetic and funny imitation of a "British accent".

What Karan Thapar needs is a few Karare Thappads from someone to shake that damn jaw loose. Sometimes all it takes to convert these boorish loudmouths into meek gentlemen is a single act of corrective discipline, which his traitor daddy obviously failed to carry out (he was pre-occupied with offering his rear end to the Chinese).

This ugly creature, as well as the mahadeshdrohi that spawned him, are both national disgraces and should be ashamed to show their faces publicly anywhere in India.
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Why thousands of Goans are giving up Indian passports for Portuguese ones
In November, even two state legislators were found to be Portuguese citizens, making their holding political office illegal. A case against them is being heard in the Goa bench of the Bombay High Court.

Portuguese citizenship may be a politically sensitive issue in Goa, but the lure of better economic prospects and access to other European nations is pushing large numbers of Goans to switch nationalities.

Portugal, which ruled Goa for 450 years before it was incorporated into India in 1961, recognises Goans born before 1961 – as well as their children and grandchildren – as Portuguese citizens. Since India does not allow dual citizenship, Goans acquiring official Portuguese passports have to give up their Indian citizenship.

According to data from the Election Commission of India, 11,500 Goans surrendered their Indian passports in favour of Portuguese citizenship in the five years between January 31, 2008 and January 31, 2013.

The Portugal embassies in India did not provide concrete data on the number of Goans granted citizenship over the years, but passport agents who help applicants through the paperwork estimate that 300,000 to 400,000 Goans have become Portuguese citizens since Portugal joined the European Union in 1986.


Giving up Indian citizenship means having one’s name struck off Indian voters’ lists and losing the right to stand for elections or buy agricultural property in India. Many Goans, however, have not surrendered their Indian passports, which has made the issue of citizenship conversion increasingly controversial.

In November 2013, two Goan legislators – Caetano Silva of the Goa Vikas Party and Glen Ticlo of the BJP – were found to be Portuguese citizens, which renders their political profiles illegal. A case against them is being heard in the Goa bench of the Bombay High Court – one of many such legal disputes over dual citizenship.

Such controversies notwithstanding, the Goans who become Portuguese citizens are not too concerned about losing certain rights in India.

There are basically two motives [for people seeking Portuguese nationality],” said Jorge Roza de Oliveira, ambassador of Portugal in New Delhi. “There are those who feel proximity with Portugal and those who see citizenship as a means of bettering their life – and this is the largest number.”

For most Goan-Portuguese citizens, it is the latter – the hope of getting employment somewhere in the European Union – that holds more weight. “Portugal has been a part of the EU for a long time, but in the past few years, the benefits of being a member nation have been publicised much more, so people are seeking citizenship to look for work,” said Frederick Noronha, an independent journalist from Goa.

“It is good to know that I am eligible to get work anywhere in the EU,” said Dhruv (not his real name), a 23-year-old Mumbai-based Goan who gave up his Indian citizenship two years ago. His Portuguese passport, he says, allows him visa-free access to 192 countries around the world, and he has already travelled quite extensively around Europe. Meanwhile, Dhruv’s status as an Overseas Citizen of India gives him most of the rights that Indian citizens have. “I cannot vote or buy agricultural property in India, but it is as close to a dual citizenship as one can get,” he said.

While Dhruv has a job in Mumbai, many Goan residents feel that the trend of seeking Portuguese citizenship has been fuelled by a rising dissatisfaction with the lack of opportunities in India.

“Most of those applying for Portuguese nationality see it as an economic necessity, because successive Indian governments have not provided sufficient employment opportunities for Goans,” said an elderly businessman from Madgaon, Goa, who did not wish to be named.

This sentiment is echoed by many among the lower socio-economic classes in Goa, but the root of this malaise lies in the complicated history of the state, says Jason Keith Fernandes, a legal anthropologist based in Goa. He describes a good portion of Portugal’s rule in Goa, and particularly the commencement of Portuguese sovereignty over Goa, not as colonialism but as the expansion of a kingdom. “Further, while Catholics were already considered citizens of the Empire, from the time that Portugal became a republic in 1910, it considered all Goans, regardless of religion, as its citizens,” said Fernandes.

Fernandes points out that when India took over Goa in 1961, Portugal continued to recognise Goan-Indians as Portuguese citizens, but Indian law made dual citizenship illegal.

“Goans who take Portuguese citizenship are therefore ‘reclaiming’ or ‘actualising’ a right that already exists,” said Fernandes
. “They may be doing so largely for economic reasons, but it is their right. And India should recognise the rights of Goans to the option of dual citizenship.”

Fernandes, however, believes there is also a disadvantage to giving up Indian citizenship that Goans are overlooking in their enthusiasm for Portuguese passports. “Goans are already going through a huge identity crisis purportedly because of the large numbers of non-Goans migrating to the state,” he said. “At a time like this, if you give up the right to stand for elections, it could compound the problem in the future.
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oh! but..but...ho..howw is that possible? didn't the Catholics there pledge their allegiance to the Constitution of India?

wasn't Christianity supposed to have reformed itself from its parochial ways and become a liberal, global outlook? right? right?

but even so long after reform, they still identify with the Christian nation thousands of kilometers away?!

this surely must be a fascist news planted by Hindus. who, per the honest admission of Rahul Gandhi, are the biggest threat to India.
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Devesh, the Goans who apply for Portuguese citizenship do so for economic reasons, not religious reasons. And since this is granted to all Goans who were born in Portuguese Goa, or whose parents were married in Portuguese Goa, Goan Hindus also apply for it.

Irony is that, once they get their passport they do not even visit the 'Christian Country'. Most of them fly directly to the UK where they immediately start settling down with all social benefits as citizens of a EU State.

But with the OCI card, they get a virtual dual citizenship, so I don't understand why Jason Fernandes is griping.

On a seperate hote, a lot of countries allow dual citizenship with friendly countries, and I do not know why we cannot allow the same with nations who have had historically friendly ties with us.
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Something to chew on:
svenkat wrote:http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/advocates-boycott-courts/article5587402.ece
Advocates boycotted courts on Friday to press for dropping the 12 names recommended for the post of High Court Judges. This is the second time this month that advocates stayed away from courts in support of the demand, the earlier one being on January 8.
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/resisting-brahmin-judges-advocates-boycott-court-in-chennai/1/335044.html
"If only names of those short-listed are shared with the Bar, the judiciary can avoid complications and issues like this. But alas, the whole process is not transparent and that is why we have decided to agitate and boycott the court proceedings on Wednesday," R.C. Paul Kanagaraj, president, Madras High Court Advocate Association (MHAA), had said.

Another major grievance of the advocates is the inclusion of three advocates, all Brahmins, into the selection list for appointment as High Court judges.

In fact, when a group of lawyers laid siege to chief justice's chamber, they openly shouted slogans against the inclusion of three Brahmin names in the list.

"Already there are seven Brahmin judges in the Madras High Court. If three more are added, their strength will become 10 and this will constitute 15 per cent of the total strength which is 60. There are several castes and communities which are not at all represented in the list," said J. Stalin Rajendran, an agitating advocate.

In fact, senior lawyer R. Gandhi, in a PIL filed in the High Court, contended in his petition that the inclusion of three Brahmins in the list was not only contrary to the prevailing practice of appointments on the basis of merits but also against social justice.
http://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/chennai/Justice-C-S-Karnan-Not-a-Stranger-to-Controversies/2014/01/09/article1990488.ece

http://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/chennai/Justice-Karnan-Stirs-Another-Flutter-on-Naming-of-Judges/2014/01/18/article2005948.ece
A division bench of Justices S Rajeswaran and PN Prakash opted out from hearing a public interest writ petition praying for a direction to the Madras High Court Registrar-General to return the list containing the names for appointment to the post of HC judges, prepared in December last year.

The recuse followed preliminary objections raised in the PIL, filed by senior advocate R Gandhi, a couple of days ago. Justice Prakash is an additional judge and he is at the behest of the Chief Justice (of MHC) and the Chief Justice of India to become a permanent judge.

Moreover, the present list, which is under challenge, also contained the names of three Brahmins. Since Justice Prakash belongs to Brahmin community, it may not be proper to argue social justice before the bench.
http://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/SC-Steps-in-to-Defuse-New-Judge-List-Row/2014/01/14/article1999220.ece
The apex court took exception to the conduct of Madras High Court judge C S Karnan who on January 9 walked into a courtroom when a special bench was hearing a PIL against the proposed appointment of new judges and said the choice of probables was not fair.

Last week, judge Karnan took everyone by surprise when he entered the courtroom, where the hearing of the PIL was in progress, and said, “The selection is unfair. I am also a part of the judiciary. I want to file an affidavit in my own name. Please take note of it
.”
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/advocates-meet-cji-to-get-list-of-judge-names-recalled/article5606647.ece
delegation of the Madras High Court Advocates Association on Wednesday met the Chief Justice of India P. Sathasivam and represented to recall the list sent by the High Court collegium for appointment of Judges to the High Court.

They urged that the selection be broad-based and must reflect all sections of society and adequate representation be ensured for every community.

After an hour-long meeting in which Supreme Court judges Ibrahim Kalifulla and C. Nagappan were also present, MHAA president R.C. Paul Kanagaraj and Tamil Nadu Advocates Association president S. Prabhakaran told The Hindu that the meeting was very positive. The CJI listened to their problems patiently and had agreed to consider the demand positively after the list was received from the Union Law Ministry The delegation earlier met Union Law Minister Kapil Sibal and gave a similar representation.

Meanwhile, the Forum for Integrity in Governance in a memorandum to the President Pranab Mukherjee and the CJI said “the controversy over the appointment of 12 judges in the Madras High Court is degenerating into something bizarre.

This sorry state is not confined only to Madras High Court, but applies to almost all High Courts in the country.

The signatories led by convener M.G. Devasahayam and 44 others said “these 45 vacancies, if filled now with wrong persons will cause damage to the legal system and administration of justice for several years.
I do not know whats an appropriate thread for the exciting things happening in Madras high Court
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Hari Seldon wrote:AAP fever spreads to china now... Govt abetted dharnas happening... here's a sample...

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This is a fake, photoshopped and mischievous pic. I am curious as to who created and disseminated it.

Here is the original pic (pic#6 here). It shows Chinese protesters declaring the Senkaku Islands to be part of China - not our NE.
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^^ Yes. I realized late that it was fake. The words on the cloth banner have no cloth induced undulations, I can now see... apols, folks. Will delete my original post.
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To that I will ask what is a superpower, in todays world. Is it a degree to be awarded after completing a course called bachelor of superpowerdom.

that it is not desirable to be a super power.

let India develop it self. rest of the things will fall in place.

considering that I am a tubelight. I think I just realised why the nation has not been allowed to develop by the government. a developed india will be a superpower. no........
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Dont worry. I can use that foto for psy ops
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http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/the-bi ... ist/308737

Very good discussion on NDTV, with the killing of the Arunachali student in New Delhi, as the background. Subramanium Swamy and M.D Nalapat are two of the speakers. An Arunchali girl at DSE speaks really well and sincerely, as does a Manipuri. Pretty enlightening and heartwarming, overall. Nothing really that would offend people on this forum, though there is that touchy issue of what constitutes an Indian brought up.
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UPA under MMS has managed to set fire to India such that no one is paying attention to TTP take over of TSP!!!!
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ramana wrote:UPA under MMS has managed to set fire to India such that no one is paying attention to TTP take over of TSP!!!!
You're right. The Taliban are slowly going to spread their tentacles into Punjab after they take over much of Afghanistan. What a disaster our foreign policy has been.
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How the Psuedo liberal and "secular" elite in India is undermining Freedom of Speech:
In India, a particular brand of individuals that claim to be liberal have managed to hijack the discourse on Free Speech and link it with Offense and Hurt. This is the worst sacrilege one can deliver to both Truth and it’s fundamental vehicle of delivery: Freedom of Speech. The basic idea of Freedom of Speech is not the act for the sake of itself, but the act is a sacrosanct vehicle for the upholding and dissemination of Truth. If we uphold Hurt/ Offense as criteria of ’abuse’ to curb Freedom of Speech, we may as well not have Freedom of Speech. And that is where the discourse in India has shifted since the Nehru’s era.

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Sita Ram Goel, Ram Swarup, Tasleema Nasreen, Salman Rushdie and plethora of writers, novelists faced the wrath of the ‘liberal, secular’ elite. And indeed they held sway and still hold sway on the discourse that being ‘offended’ and ‘hurt’ on being exposed to Truth is equal to ‘Abuse’ of Freedom of Speech and thus a violation of Freedom of Speech. Nothing could be further from the Truth. It is this travesty from this ‘secular, liberal’ lobby that puts into jeopardy the entire edifice of why we hold and should hold Freedom of Speech as sacrosanct.
http://vicharprachar.wordpress.com/2014 ... to-offend/
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Todays's opinion piece in the Toronto Star. A 'sky is falling' type article, full of very selective information. Really goes at India, specifically Hindu groups, aggressively with a laundry list. Move to psy-ops if necessary!

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commenta ... diqui.html


Dark days for the creative class in India: Siddiqui
As India’s literacy rate improves, governments, courts, media, publishers and big business are all stifling free speech.


Second of two parts

In contrast to North America and Europe, India’s book publishers, newspapers and TV/radio stations are doing well, thanks to a rising literacy rate and a growing middle class. Authors, artists, journalists and filmmakers are enjoying big audiences and relatively good paycheques. Yet, paradoxically, free speech has never been so imperilled in the world’s largest democracy, for several reasons.

Governments are using colonial-era laws to stifle free speech. The lower courts and police are caving in to religious bigots who demand bans on what they don’t want to see and hear. Vigilante groups are using goon tactics to intimidate the creative class. Big business is slapping lawsuits and creating libel chill. Publishing houses are capitulating to legal, political and economic pressure. The media are too busy mollycoddling governments and advertisers to stand up for free speech.

Legal framework

The constitution guarantees free speech but, as in Canada and several European nations, it also imposes “reasonable restrictions” to maintain peace and public order. The Supreme Court has set a high bar for imposing any restrictions, yet both the federal and state governments routinely shut down anything that might flare communal riots, especially between Hindus and Muslims — a real and ever-present danger. Politicians don’t want blood on their hands to uphold the right of a preening writer to poke people in the eye. Critics counter that the political class doesn’t really care for intellectual freedom.

Libel and defamation laws criminalize speech a ....
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Bji, RajeshA or any one who knows German:

Have you read the works of Olaf Ihlau a German expert on India and what does he say about India?
Eg. Weltmacht Indien

and a talk by him:
http://www.redneragentur.de/index.asp?s ... A8&lang=en
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