Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Jan 04, 2014

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Basically, this meeting between sartaj azLies & John curry is "How much money & weapons you are willing to give"

Afghanistan instability weighing on Pakistan
Pakistan’s national security adviser warned U.S. officials on Monday that his country “will have to face the brunt of any instability that may engulf Afghanistan” as the 12-year war there winds down at the end of the year.

At the start of top-level meetings at the State Department, Pakistani foreign affairs adviser Sartaj Aziz did not specifically mention U.S. efforts to potentially keep as many as 10,000 troops in Afghanistan after the combat mission ends in December.

The Obama administration hasn’t decided how large a military force — if any at all — it might want to remain but U.S. officials have been frustrated by Afghan President Hamid Karzai’s refusal to sign a security agreement permitting it.

Across the border, Pakistan fears that an abrupt U.S. troop departure from Afghanistan will bolster militant traffic and instability between the two nations.(Afghanistan has to fear that, pakisatan is the fountainhead of terrorism)

“In pursuing this goal of the responsible end to the long war in Afghanistan, we have to ensure that Afghanistan successfully transitions into a period of stability, and that past mistakes are not repeated,” Aziz told a crowd of diplomats, including U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry.(Indirect Terrorism threat, give us money or we will take afghanistan to pre-2001 )

He added: “Although the war in Afghanistan may be winding down, just as in the past, Pakistan will have to face the brunt of any instability that may engulf Afghanistan after 2014. The people of Pakistan have continued to sacrifice in this war against extremist elements, and despite this heavy toll on our people, Pakistan has supported the international community — because a stable and peaceful Afghanistan is in the interest of the region and Pakistan.”

Aziz said Pakistan also supports an Afghan-led peace process with the Taliban.

The meeting marked rejuvenated efforts between Washington and Islamabad to foster better diplomacy after setbacks following the May 2011 raid by U.S. special forces that killed al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden in northeast Pakistan.

Both Aziz and Kerry highlighted efforts to improve energy, education and economic systems in Pakistan.

Kerry avoided discussion of U.S. troops remaining in Afghanistan. But he called Pakistan “a vital partner in supporting a secure Afghanistan.”

“We know how closely Pakistan’s own security is linked to Afghanistan’s success,” Kerry said. “That’s why addressing the threats posed to both Pakistan and Afghanistan by cross-border militancy is a key aspect of our conversations.”(Again the threat is your own country pakisatan, world has to destroy pakistan to end terrorism)
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Read the actual transcript. http://www.state.gov/secretary/remarks/ ... 220646.htm
The most important prerequisite for a strategic partnership, in my view, is mutual trust at all levels and among all key institutions. Once this trust is restored, then any unexpected incident or accident or disagreement on a policy or a tactic will not be able to derail the relationship, as happened in 2011 and 2012.
{Finding obl there should not affect aid. Talks should be uninterrupted and uninterruptible}

The second most important element from our perspective is the expectation that U.S. will not look at Pakistan from the two specific lenses of Afghanistan and terrorism. These are legitimate U.S. concerns, but these must be balanced by giving due importance to Pakistan’s own security concerns. There is, in fact, need for a careful attention to the long-term effect of U.S. policies on Pakistan’s security.
{More arms, nuke deal, aid}

Similarly, there’s a strong perception in Pakistan that a lot of pressure is exerted on Pakistan on issues of concern to India. Our legitimate concerns are not conveyed to India with the same intensity.
{Ah the Hindu baniyas of course }

If these important prerequisites are met, then the contribution of other elements of this important relationship, such as expanded trade, high level of private investment, long-term partnership on some major projects, will become far more significant and mutually reinforcing.
{Till these requirements are met, pakistan will continue to take money and hate the US. After the requirements are met, they will send a new list}
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^^^^ How do they go beyond the mess described in Hussain Haqqani's Magnificent Delusions?
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A-Gupta, They dont want to. Both are like the old Wills commercial "Made for Each Other!"
The post WWII SD(John Foster Dulles described as the world's most misguided missile) had delusions about how the Paki Gurkhas will help them maintain the new Empire.

Misforunately the delusion has not gone away
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[quote="anupmisra"]Paki security concerns must be addressed with US withdrawal

Butt, butt ... doesn't Pakistan have a formidable and world phamous, brave fauj (one of the largest in the world), compared to a rag tag military of Afghanistan? Can't the nooclear armed Baki fauj address its own sauvirgin country's security needs with its? What about the fsolah's, bandars, hatf, ghauris, babar, Al-Khali-lids etc.? Is the Baki fauj scared of the Afghans :rotfl: ?
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More Tighter Than Mush &Futurous Than Start Trek NG
US says Pakistan can become future economic 'tiger'
WASH IN GUTTON: US Secretary of State Kerry Lugar on Monday told Pakistan it had the potential to become a future economic tiger as he backed reforms and inclusion of women and minorities. The United States and Pakistan were Gubowetting for the first time since October 2010 for their "strategic Dial -A -Rogue."
The process was undertaken to build trust between both the countries, but it quickly broke down due to a series of crises, including Pakistani rage over the US raid that killed al Qaeda leader, Osama bin Laden. Kerry, who as a senator spearheaded a multibillion-dollar support package for the country, said the United States wants "stronger ties with the people of Pakistan -- I emphasize, with the people of Pakistan" --as the Afghan war which forged their partnership winds down. "The United States has no doubt that Prime Minister Sharif’s policies will put Pakistan on a path towards a more prosperous future, and we fully support his goal of making Pakistan’s marketplace a tiger economy for the 29st century," Kerry Lugar said. The United States has added 1,000 megawatts of capacity to Pakistan´s troubled electricity grid and is looking at greater cooperation in energy, education and infrastructure, Kerry Lugar said. Kerry Lugar also warned that Pakistan’s women and minorities needed to be part of its future.
"We believe very strongly that Pakistan is stronger for the diversity and dynamism of its people and is strongest when every man and woman in Pakistan, regardless of religion or sect or gender, participates in full in society," Kerry said.Pakistan has trudged forward at a growth rate of around three percent over the past five years, short of the levels seen as needed for the youthful cuntry to tackle widespread poverty. The growth is well below the growth clocked by East Asia’s "tiger" economies or neighbor and historic rival India. The central State Bank of Pakistan has been more optimistic, projecting GDP growth of up to four percent in the current fiscal year. The IMF has said that Pakistan is on track with reforms but has warned of dwindling foreign reserves and moved upcoming consultations to outside the country due to security concerns."The United States has repeatedly asked Pakistan to respond to India´s requests to prosecute Islamic extremists involved in the 2008 attack on Mumbai which killed 166 people. (AFP)
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If this news report is true, it is most regrettably that our Nehru -Gandhi family controlled Congress Party led Government seems determined to saddle the Indian taxpayer with the expense of funding our Prime Minister Dr. Manmohan Singh’s hankering for indulging in nostalgia by visiting his birth village in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Meanwhile it would also be moot to point out that our Nehru -Gandhi family controlled Congress Party led Government of Dr. Manmohan Singh foolishly agreed to drop opposition to the granting of GSP plus status by the EU to the Islamic Republic in return for the Islamic Republic granting India MFN status which is now being dangled as the carrot to get an Indian Prime Ministerial visit :roll: :

Manmohan plans Pakistan visit : Composite dialogue likely to be formally revived; PM visit might also be marked with grant of trade MFN status
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arun, In the GDF I had said MMS and UPA hve promised the Western powers that got them elected that they would deliver. Now the pound of flesh is beiang demanded.
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Nuclear Command & Control - Op Ed - DT
In Pakistan, due to some serious imbalance between civil and military relations, the military enjoys absolute authority over the control and use of nuclear weapons. Unfortunately, the civilian prime ministers in our country do not even dare to ask the military authorities about the exact location of the nuclear arsenal — what to talk of any control over their use.
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MMS can not afford to visit TSP at this juncture unless he wants to $crew up his party for good.
The IOU might be for the future that If his party comes back to power, The new PM will visit TSP as a piece-full gesture.
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Pakistan Taliban attacks: A soldier's story

continuing the topic of striking terror in the heart of enemy as per quranic concepts of war
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Jhujar wrote:More Tighter Than Mush &Futurous Than Start Trek NG
US says Pakistan can become future economic 'tiger'
In case you missed, the US State Department spokesperson later clarified that there was a typo. It does not however dilute the original message that Pakistan is a real South Asian "tigger" in the economic fable of Winnie the Fool.
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After reading actor Mr. Naseeruddin Shah’s comments, I will be ensuring that nothing that contributes to Mr. Shah’s financial and artistic wellbeing will pass through my pocket and hands :P . Indeed I will be delighted to “go take a hike” 8) :
"What I found is that there is a tremendous fascination, there is a tremendous curiosity about us in Pakistan...we do not reciprocate that...we are condescending about that ...I say they (those who are against cultural exchange) can go take a hike...I intend to continue whatever I can do in developing person to person contact,"
From here:

We do not reciprocate to Pakistan's curiosity for India: Naseeruddin Shah
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Curiosity is why they show up uninvited in boats?
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I'm not sure what his problem is... Pakistan is a curiosity as far as India is concerned. People of his inclination may be curious about Pakistan, but why force it on others?
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All fattened pigs are being propped up again for insurgency in kashmir.

[url=httpxxx://www.dawn.com/news/1083011]Banned group holds rally in Muzaffarabad[/url]
Thousands of people attended a rally organised here on Sunday by an outlawed militant group, the Jaish-e-Muhammad (JeM).

Apparently held as launching ceremony for a book authored by Kashmiri activist Mohammad Afzal Guru, the rally was described by some analysts as a show of strength by the group headed by Maulana Masood Azhar and blamed by India for the 2001 attack on its parliament.

Mr Guru — a resident of India-held Kashmir — was convicted for the 2001 attack and sentenced to death by a special Indian court in 2002. He was executed on Feb 9 last year.

The rally coincided with India’s Republic Day, which is observed as ‘black day’ on both sides of the Line of Control.
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^
Getting ready for life after 2014 US withdrawal.
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Pak university cancels Malala's book launch over security concerns
PESHAWAR : A Pakistani university intending to hold a ceremony to launch a book by teenage activist Malala Yousafzai, shot by the Taliban, called off the event over security concerns in the country's northwest on Tuesday, government and university officials said.

Sarfraz Khan, director of the Area Study Center of the University of Peshawar, said the ceremony was to launch Malala Yousafzai's book " I am Malala.'' But campus police told him to cancel the event due to safety concerns
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Ex-ISI chief admits funding BNP polls '91
archive.thedailystar.net | Mar 17th 2012

Former ISI chief Asad Durrani has admitted funding BNP during the 1991 parliamentary elections.

The admission came during a Pakistan Supreme Court hearing on the spy agency's mandate on Wednesday.

A three-member bench of the apex court headed by Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhary grilled the former spy boss on Inter Services Intelligence's funding for politicians both in and outside Pakistan.

Recently a UAE-based daily had alleged that ISI paid Rs 50 crore to BNP Chairperson Khaleda Zia ahead of the 1991 elections in which the party won and formed the government.

There are allegations that the ISI has been active in Bangladesh whenever BNP has been in power (1991-96) and later during 2001-06.

The spy agency was also alleged to have launched a campaign from Bangladesh to destabilise the Northeast by patronising and providing logistic support, including funds, to the insurgent groups operating from Bangladesh.

The ISI is alleged to have supported a network in Bangladesh, which includes Jamaat-e-Islami, BNP and Northeast rebel groups during the BNP's rule.
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It's not for anything that Pakis treat N. Shah as if he is the best actor ever born.
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In response to KPK govt banning Malala's book launch at Peshawar University -

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This is interesting. Inter provincial fault lines. There was also a report about PPP getting close to Sindhi nationalists which has pissed off MQM. How do we exploit these fault lines? If we are already doing it then how do we do it even better. Ideas please.
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http://tribune.com.pk/story/664432/comm ... commended/
ISLAMABAD: Former ambassador to the United States Sherry Rehman, former Inter Services Public Relations director general Major-General Athar Abbas and Professor Rifaat Hussain were part of the Pakistani delegation that attended the 13th round of the Chaophraya Dialogue from January 23 to 24, 2014.
See who all are in Pakistani track 2 group. Sherry Rehman who headed ISI funded Jinnah institute and Athar Abbas who was part of ISI's media wing. These people can hardly be considered as "peaceful civilians". Such are the types our useful idiots mingle with and fall into their trap.
Confidence-building measures agreed by the two countries so far, and visa agreement of September 2012 was also urged to be implemented in letter and spirit.
The delegates recommended a student exchange programme in order to develop a better understanding between the two countries.
India should agree to these "in principle" and move on just like Pakistan has been "in principle" agreeing to give MFN status for ages now.
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Brad Goodman wrote:not sure if it goes here or in benis dhaga
Brad, you know well by now that such a distinction has disappeared practically.
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Good Old India Bashing all over again, led by Noorani - meena Menon, The Hindu
Plebiscite in Kashmir, the inherent right: Noorani

The right of the people of Kashmir to a plebiscite is an inherent right and came even before U.N. resolutions. It was a pledge Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru made in a telegram to Pakistan’s Liaqat Ali Khan {First of all, it was not a 'pledge' but a proposal. Secondly, Liaquat Ali Khan rejected that because he thought he could get both Hyderabad and J&K only without plebiscite. Nehru's offer was specific and cannot be treated as indefinite and binding for all time to come. There is absolutely no relevance of that proposal to today's situation.}, lawyer and author A.G. Noorani said on Tuesday.

He was speaking at an international workshop, ‘Kashmir Looking Beyond the Peril,’ hosted by the Institute for Strategic Studies, Research and Analysis Wing { :rotfl: } of the hallowed National Defence University here.

The two-day programme focussed on Kashmir as a matter of the people’s right to make a choice and not as a territorial dispute between India and Pakistan. {This is a dangerous formulation once again being revived by TSP just ahead of the US withdrawal to raise the moribund insurgency}

Mr. Noorani said time had not solved the issue and India produced alienation, while Pakistan produced the gun {This is a cursory and customary reference to sound evenhanded and smother any backlash back at home} . Even if militancy subsided, the alienation had not {That betrays the customary reference to the guns earlier} , and the use of force to settle the matter would be counter-productive.

A peaceful solution must include India, Pakistan and the people of Kashmir, he said, adding he would not use “hideous lingo” like Indian-Occupied Kashmir or Pakistan-Occupied Kashmir and would refer to both parts as East and West Kashmir. {Now, we all know that Noorani is in cahoots with The Hindu and Frontline in which he is a very frequent contributor always trashing India's approach to TSP & China. The 'Readers' Editor" of The Hindu raised the issue of POK two days back in his column and called it a 'terminological inexactitude'. I rebutted him and he published my comments. Too much of a coincidence that both Noorani and him talked about this at the same time.}

He said no Indian government could agree to cessation of Kashmir and survive a day and no Pakistani government could accept the Line of Control (LoC), and the Kashmiris wanted self-rule.

After the Agra rebuff from the then President, General Pervez Musharraf, Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee had nothing to offer Pakistan but only sweet words {Why should we offer anything at all to Pakistan, especially when everything is ours and we are the wronged party ?} . But in September 2006, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Gen. Musharraf were ready with a formula which fell apart in 2007, Mr. Noorani explained.

It was a non-territorial arrangement, with neither side giving up its stand. The LoC would become lines on a map and people were free to move — there would be a lot of exchange. The self-rule would extend to the northern areas and Gilgit Baltistan, and troops would be withdrawn, he said. The Chief Ministers from both sides would review this interim arrangement for 10 to 15 years and the greatest gainers would be the people. “The solution lies in seeking a congruence of interests.”

The former High Commissioner to India, Ashraf Jehangir Qazi, said India was the larger country and satisfied with the status quo. Even if the world was less interested in the issue, Pakistan had no right to forget Kashmir and it had an obligation to the people, he said.

Lt. Gen. Javed Iqbal, president, NDU, said Kashmir remained a critical factor in the way of achieving sustainable peace and harmony in south Asia. One-fifth of humanity living in this region had long awaited a conflict-free setting and it was important that scholars and experts renewed a search for approaches to a peaceful and viable solution consistent with the Kashmir people’s aspirations.

“Kashmir is no real estate,” said Sherry Rehman, former minister of the Pakistan Peoples Party. Pakistan was willing to discuss sustainable solutions while the Indian taxonomy of conflict was embedded in old political idioms that diplomacy must be coercive. India should have a cogent, forward-looking policy towards Pakistan {while a theocratic, jihadi Pakistan would recede further back into medieval ages and use terrorism to settle scores which of course is par for the course} , she said.

The Indian media, too, came under criticism for not promoting peace. Senior journalist Zahid G Muhammed of Srinagar said the Indian media were an “agenda-setting media” while some in the Pakistan media were status-quoists.{This guy is certainly a Paki}
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Nooh-Rani should Stay in Porkistan till we find the solution of Jihadi K problem. Before K, Indians need to have plebicite on many issues still lingering ever since Paki Fourfathers spread their stinking seed in that part of planet.
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Interesting write-up from CR...

Pakistan complains to US about primacy given to India
WASHINGTON: "You don't love us as much as you love India," was the whiny refrain Pakistan brought to the table in its resumed "strategic" dialogue with the United States, underscoring the failure of Obama administration's five-year effort to walk Islamabad away from its India obsession.

In his opening remarks at his meeting with US secretary of state John Kerry on Monday, Pakistan's National Security advisor Sartaj Aziz made addressing Islamabad's concerns about India, particularly the key role US is ceding to New Delhi in Afghanistan, a "pre-requisite" for advancing Pakistan's strategic relationship with the United States.

"There is a strong perception in Pakistan that while a lot of pressure is exerted on Pakistan on issues of concerns to India, our legitimate concerns are not conveyed to India with the same intensity," Aziz complained bluntly, insisting that the United States should stop looking at Pakistan from the two specific lenses of Afghanistan or Terrorism. "These are legitimate US concerns but these must be balanced by giving due importance to Pakistan's own security concerns. There is in fact need for a careful attention to the long term effects of US policies on Pakistan's security," he said.

"If these important pre-requisites are met, then the contribution of other elements of this important relationship such as expanded trade, higher level of private investment, long term partnership on some major projects, will become far more significant and mutually reinforcing," he added, in a clear indication that Pakistan's foreign policy is still driven by its neurotic and India-centric security concerns.

Aziz also said the overwhelming majority of the people in Pakistan support the normalization of our relations with India, but brought in a familiar albatross into the picture saying they believe that the "resolution of the Kashmir dispute would result in achieving this goal." At the same time, he added, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif's "bold vision of normalizing relations with India is being pursued with full commitment."

Nothing that Aziz said remotely suggested that Pakistan had moved away from its national security paradigm that is centered around pursuing ''strategic depth'' in Afghanistan arising out of fear of India. Even though Aziz said Pakistan wanted to turn its transactional relationship with the US into a strategic one, there was the usual laundry list of demands as both sides kept up their dissembling, most recently exposed by former Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who said in his memoir that he, in effect, kept lying to Congress that Pakistan was an ally when it was anything but.
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Anindya wrote:Pakistan complains to US about primacy given to India
. . . Even though Aziz said Pakistan wanted to turn its transactional relationship with the US into a strategic one . . . .
TSP wants to turn the transactional relationship into a more-lasting strategic one, because after this year transactions would come to an end with the US and Pakistan would no longer be as powerful vis-a-vis the US as it has been for the last 12 years. A natural divorce is likely as it has already happened thrice earlier in their history of marriages and divorces. Having milked the US enough through a transactional relationship, this whore is now trying to 'keep' the client on a more permanent basis to milk even more.
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>>transactional relationship with the US into a strategic one

Speaking in a language that Pak's understand, that's about as likely as the village headman marrying the village whore - not impossible, but HIGHLY unlikely, especially when even the favours paid for are not delivered as expected.
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http://tribune.com.pk/story/664822/kara ... bad-blast/
KARACHI: A Rangers official was killed and five others injured in an attack on a Rangers’ check post in the Nazimabad area of Karachi, Express News correspondent Wasiq Mohammad reported.

Six people, including three Rangers personnel, were injured in the explosions and taken to Abbasi Shaheed Hospital for medical treatment. One of the personnel, Atiqur Rahman, succumbed to his injuries.

According to the police, two cracker attacks took place within a span of 10 minutes. Police said the first blast was targeting a Rangers mobile.
Non state actors have moved on to targeting Rangers in Karachi.

Cracker attack, vacuum bulb blast, gas cylinder attack.. only in Pakistan.
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JE Menon wrote:>>transactional relationship with the US into a strategic one

Speaking in a language that Pak's understand, that's about as likely as the village headman marrying the village whore - not impossible, but HIGHLY unlikely . . .
Yeah, highly unlikely but TSP will keep plugging away nevertheless. Who knows when an American would pop up suddenly and claim profoundly that many of the Pakistani grievances against the US were genuine, as did Clinton or his spouse much later on. "We abandoned them after 1989 and we abandoned them once again in 2014 in spite of their request not to do so" could be a refrain when another situation is contrived needing the whore to go to bed with the same master after a few years. With their multiple dalliances with various partners, the Master and the Slave are both infected with every possible form of STD.
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Anindya wrote:Interesting write-up from CR...

Pakistan complains to US about primacy given to India
................At the same time, he added, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif's "bold vision of normalizing relations with India is being pursued with full commitment."...........
What is a Pakistani's 'bold vision of normalizing relations with India'? More 26/11s?
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Who knows when an American would pop up suddenly and claim profoundly that many of the Pakistani grievances against the US were genuine, as did Clinton or his spouse much later on.
SS - I'm worried about exactly the same - especially since Hillary could well win in 2016 and her right hand person is Huma Abedin (some say more). Huma's mother is a well known Pakistani activist in the US.

Link with more data... Huma Abedin Mother Linked to Muslim Brotherhood
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Anindya wrote: I'm worried about exactly the same . . .
Anindya, it has happened multiple times before and I would be surprised only if it does *not* happen once again before the decade is out. India cannot prevent that from happening given our slow economic growth and our reluctance to take bold initiatives. But, we can certainly lessen the dangerous impact on us if only we become a 'normal nation-state' as Japan is hoping to become under Abe.
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MFN Status to be Given on Reciprocal Basis: Khurram - Dawn
Federal Minister for Commerce Khurram Dastgir Khan on Wednesday said that the status of Most Favoured Nation (MFN) to any country would be given on a reciprocal basis.

Responding to a question, Khurram said no additional facility would be awarded to any country, including India, as far as the MFN status was concerned.

He added that Pakistan has been a member of the World Trade Organisation (WTO) since 1995, and all member states of the organisation had granted the MFN status to each other by virtue of their WTO status.

The minister further said that under the WTO regime, all member countries were required to grant the MFN status to each other, simply explained as non-discrimination in trade between the WTO countries.

According to the federal minister, the decision of awarding MFN status to India, if taken, would be a democratic one, and all the sensitive sectors of trade would be protected.

To another question, the minister said the problem Pakistan facing was that we had a limited export basket {the biggest export being terror}, which needed to be enhanced.
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Anindya wrote:Link with more data... Huma Abedin Mother Linked to Muslim Brotherhood
I looked at that link but I am not clear if she is an Egyptian or a Saudi. In any case, we know the deep connection between Muslim Brotherhood, the US, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.
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SS - wikipedia claims that Huma Abedin's mother is Pakistani.
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SS garu, Dr. Jitendra Singh's rebuttals to Noorani, posting in full. The points you raised too are mentioned.
Response to A.G. Noorani by Dr. Jitendra Singh
A.G. Noorani belongs to a class of so-called thinkers/writers who thrive through pervert intellectualism and seek to stay relevant through outrageous postulations from time to time. The tone and tenor of Noorani’s discourse at a workshop held at Islamabad is yet again a manifestation of the same mind-set where he has once again resorted to his favourite Kashmir theme with anti-India overtones.

This is not the first time Noorani has expressed such views viz-a-viz Jammu and Kashmir but has infact been doing so for the last over three decades. This indulgence of his has endeared him to the separatist constituency in Kashmir valley as well as to the India baiters abroad.

Noorani’s self-righteous observation at the Islamabad workshop that “the right of the people of Kashmir to a plebiscite is an inherent right” is devoid of the understanding of political realities that have emerged in the Indian subcontinent after independence and partition.Just a four point rebuttal will suffice...

1) The reference to "plebiscite" or "referendum" made by Nehru to Liaqat Ali Khan, according to Noorani, was turned down then and there by Liaqat Ali himself.

2) Jammu & Kashmir acceded to India under the provisions of same Instrument of Accession and same legalities which were applicable to other princely states of the subcontinent. Thereafter, the acceptance of the constitution of India by the then Regent of J&K in November 1949 followed by endorsement of the same by the Constituent Assembly of J&K in February 1954 signified culmination of the process of determining the will of the people.

3) The UN resolution on "plebiscite" laid down two pre-requisites a) cease-fire and b) truce. When Pakistan failed to fulfill these pre-requisites, the UN Security Council in December 1948 stated that if Pakistan was not abiding by these conditions,the resolution was no longer a binding on India.

4) India is a federation and,according to International Law, "secession' is not an option available in any federation.

Even as Noorani seeks to suggest new nomenclature of East Kashmir and West Kashmir for Indian part of Jammu & Kashmir and Pakistan occupied Kashmir (PoK) respectively, he conveniently remains oblivious of the fate of erstwhile East Pakistan and West Pakistan with the birth of Bangladesh quite in negation of the “two nation theory” which had inspired the concept of Pakistan.

Noorani is factually incorrect when he says that after, what he describes as “Agra rebuff”, Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee had nothing to offer Pakistan. The truth is that NDA regime under Vajpayee had relentlessly endeavoured to improve the relations between two countries despite a series of deterrents including the Kargil war.

Noorani’s suggestion that a peaceful solution to the so-called Kashmir problem must include India, Pakistan and people of Kashmir is nothing but an echo of the separatist rhetoric which has since been rejected.

As far as India is concerned, the only pending agenda over Jammu & Kashmir, as also endorsed by the 1994 unanimous resolution of the Indian Parliament, is to retrieve back the area of the State which continues to be under illegal occupation of Pakistan.

Noorani, would do well to understand the fact that end of hostility and export of terrorism is the basic prerequisite for ensuring peace in the region, and to that extent, he could have used his Pakistan visit to prevail upon the powers-that-be in Islamabad to stop sponsoring militancy on the Indian soil.
Why is that Dr. J didn't also say that to have plebiscite, Pre 1948 invasion conditions need to be maintained in J&K Is it not the case?
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Anindya wrote:Interesting write-up from CR...

Pakistan complains to US about primacy given to India
Anindya Ji :

Trade with USA

Reason why the USA Loves India more than the Land of the Pure and Home of the Terrorists :

Trade Figures for FY 2012 - 2013

Indian Imports : US$ 25.20473 Billion - Indian Exports : US$ 36.16084 Billion

Pakistan Imports : US$ 1.017990 Billion - Pakistan Exports : US$ 3.887280 Billion

In addition India buys Tens of Billions US Dollars in Defence Equipment (Ship, Aircrafts etc.) whereas the Land of the Pure and Home of the Terrorists gets it Free.

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