Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Virendra · Post by **Virendra** » 30 Jan 2014 20:06

Rahul is talking about process, Kejri is talking about corruption, NaMo is talking about Governance.
Mamta is talking about ................ Trinamool Congress

Watching TimesNow .. lot of dirt is getting dug out on 84.
I see no logic how this interview could've even remotely worked for Congress or Dynasty.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 30 Jan 2014 20:11

The BJP used to harangue and berate Congress for the tragic 84 anti-sikh riots.The Cong has demonised Modi 10 times more in India as well as abroad.India needs to move beyond both.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 30 Jan 2014 20:15

Virendra wrote:Rahul is talking about process, Kejri is talking about corruption, NaMo is talking about Governance.
Mamta is talking about ................ Trinamool Congress

Watching TimesNow .. lot of dirt is getting dug out on 84.
I see no logic how this interview could've even remotely worked for Congress or Dynasty.

Look at it this way
1. AAP asks for Bhullar release, says will setup SIT probe on 1984 riots --- in a bid to get Sikh votes in Delhi and also Punjab
2. Media showcases congress as anti-sikh (which in delhi, punab and parts of HP) is seen as pro-hindu
3. BJP is already hated by lots of punjabi hindus for allying with SAD.

So in the end AAP will cut into BJP/SAD sikh vote in punjab and delhi. The hindu vote in punjab/delhi/other places with punjabi hindus will get even more solidified with congress (they have been mostly with congress over the years, especially after BJP trucked with SAD)

So in the end after this full drama, AAP cuts BJP vote, Congress solidifies its vote, win-win for Cong-AAP

nawabs · Post by **nawabs** » 30 Jan 2014 21:09

Kejriwal supports khaps, says they serve ‘cultural purpose’

http://www.niticentral.com/2014/01/30/k ... 84992.html

archan · Post by **archan** » 30 Jan 2014 22:50

archan wrote:Don't forget wikileaks, he said Hindu terror is more of a threat to India. I am sure Hindus are the ones blowing up things in India, in the name of Raam or Krishna.

This point usually didn't get much attention. It may be a coincidence, but we talked about it yesterday and today BJP spokesperson Sudhanshu mentioned it on News 24 in a debate with Shoma of Congress. Sorry I don't remember their last names! Shoma looks tired and desperate, defending 1984.

In two days I have heard two politicians say that "everyone (people) know Modi was culpable in 2002". Interesting, everyone knows for a fact, except our intelligence, CBI and Supreme court. And since it is the people who are supposed to "know", I wonder why the people have voted him in twice after that, with unprecedented majority.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 30 Jan 2014 23:09

svenkat wrote:The BJP used to harangue and berate Congress for the tragic 84 anti-sikh riots.The Cong has demonised Modi 10 times more in India as well as abroad.India needs to move beyond both.

Only that NaMo or BJP weren't guilty of 2002 riots in the first place - but Congis who personally exhorted congi mobs against Sikhs in Delhi are still roaming free and are still evading justice .
Every one in Tilaknagar knows the congi workers who took part in butchering Sikhs and roaming freely in Dilli.
Only locking up and throwing away the key type sentence to their bosses like Sajjan Kumar , Jagadish Tytler etc would bring 1984 to a closure.

BJP shouldn't accept equal equal with 1984 with 2002 as former was entirely a Congress directed pogrom while latter were spontaneous Riots between two communities .

kumarn · Post by **kumarn** » 30 Jan 2014 23:14

archan wrote:
archan wrote:Don't forget wikileaks, he said Hindu terror is more of a threat to India. I am sure Hindus are the ones blowing up things in India, in the name of Raam or Krishna.
This point usually didn't get much attention. It may be a coincidence, but we talked about it yesterday and today BJP spokesperson Sudhanshu mentioned it on News 24 in a debate with Shoma of Congress. Sorry I don't remember their last names! Shoma looks tired and desperate, defending 1984.

In two days I have heard two politicians say that "everyone (people) know Modi was culpable in 2002". Interesting, everyone knows for a fact, except our intelligence, CBI and Supreme court. And since it is the people who are supposed to "know", I wonder why the people have voted him in twice after that, with unprecedented majority.

The people, perhaps, believe that if someone burns their loved ones alive, then those people are liable to be exterminated without prejudice - that is dharma. And perhaps, it is time to not get defensive and point out this elephant in the room.

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 30 Jan 2014 23:41

I still make out if this article is parody or not. The author is, I think, trying to defend Rahul

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/how-h ... 64921.html

For example

Why was RG not being specific? Why should he? He will do so in his speeches when he addresses the nation, not for revenue-run TRP-driven media. Has Times Now donated to the Congress Party’s election campaign? Is there a quid pro quo? No.

I am not getting the joke at all if is tongue in cheek. If this is serious, I wish to read more from this author.

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 31 Jan 2014 00:04

bhargava wrote:TimesNow @ 10 PM today was a football match. Only one goal post. HS Puri (BJP), Naresh Gujral (SAD) & HS Phoolka (AAP) were footballing Sanjay 'Takloo' Jha one after the other..being actively aided by Judge Arnab.

saar, is this available online?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 31 Jan 2014 00:07

saravana wrote:I still make out if this article is parody or not. The author is, I think, trying to defend Rahul

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/how-h ... 64921.html

For example
Why was RG not being specific? Why should he? He will do so in his speeches when he addresses the nation, not for revenue-run TRP-driven media. Has Times Now donated to the Congress Party’s election campaign? Is there a quid pro quo? No.

I am not getting the joke at all if is tongue in cheek. If this is serious, I wish to read more from this author.

It would help if you look athe author. Farzana Versey is true believer.
Google her name.

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 31 Jan 2014 00:21

^^ Just did that Saar. From her wiki page, she seems like a south asian. No wonder pitching for WomenEmpowerer.

She has also been published in many other Indian and Pakistani periodicals including Times of India, The Illustrated Weekly of India, Sunday Observer, Gentleman and The Friday Times (Pakistan).

Versey's first book, entitled A Journey Interrupted - Being Indian in Pakistan[6] was published by Harper-Collins India in Spring 2008.

Can't find her articles in rediff, I think they might have scrubbed it clean. But saw now one of her articles elsewhere scoffing at people supporting Malala.

OT: Wonder how many south asians are writing in papers across the border.

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 31 Jan 2014 00:22

Kind of concur with svenkat's assessment of NDA getting about 10 sets in TN. Had a long talk with my buddy from TN with his ears to the ground. BJP has tied-up with MDMK (or, MDMK has tied up with BJP). If PMK also joins NDA then 10 sets is a sure bet. As far as Aamma is concerned, she is keeping her options open just like Didi (mamata B.) and Behen (Mayawati). These three queens want to be the King-makers in post-poll scenarios.

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 31 Jan 2014 00:30

^^ I don't reside in TN currently. But in my opinion, PMK mostly acts as an amplifier. If your party has 25-30%(say) then tying up with PMK will ensure you extra percentages to beat the other *MK party. BJP is not there(yet) to pull of such a feat. Tying up with MDMK brings you a personally good guy and a dedicated but small cadre.
Allying with Vijaykanth party, may bring you more, but it appears that his popularity is on wane and he is mercurial to boot. IMHO, NDA will be lucky if it gets more than 2 seats. JMT.

Saral · Post by **Saral** » 31 Jan 2014 00:30

FV was a regular on chowk.com which appears to be defunct.. A sort of literary online mag with lot of reader interactions to pieces. FV is a mumbaite. Confused feminist it would seem. Friendly person though.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 31 Jan 2014 01:03

svenkat wrote:The former BRF moderator Maverick had defended Rahul saying Hindu backlash could have led to unchecked mayhem and chaos.I will not discount that version.Theres lot of rage in India against muslims.Also giving into one rage can lead to other issues,though they will be of lesser magnitude..

RaGa didnt say anything about any backlash. He just said Hindu extremism is the greatest threat to India at a time when jihadis were attacking India non stop. Only showed how callow he was and how influenced he was by his mentor, shri Digvijay Singh.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 31 Jan 2014 01:11

archan wrote:
archan wrote:Don't forget wikileaks, he said Hindu terror is more of a threat to India. I am sure Hindus are the ones blowing up things in India, in the name of Raam or Krishna.
This point usually didn't get much attention. It may be a coincidence, but we talked about it yesterday and today BJP spokesperson Sudhanshu mentioned it on News 24 in a debate with Shoma of Congress. Sorry I don't remember their last names! Shoma looks tired and desperate, defending 1984.

In two days I have heard two politicians say that "everyone (people) know Modi was culpable in 2002". Interesting, everyone knows for a fact, except our intelligence, CBI and Supreme court. And since it is the people who are supposed to "know", I wonder why the people have voted him in twice after that, with unprecedented majority.

Another thing is how quickly all the 'secular parties' latched onto 2002 and made it into a cottage industry, with 24/7 demonisation of the Hindu side as being mass murderers. From a riot it went into pogrom, genocide etc etc with zero mention of the actual Godhra incident, which was then whitewashed as "they deserved it for molesting some tea sellers daughter" to "accidental fire".

And how Modi was the target of the entire campaign not just the BJP. As far back as 1998 or thereabouts, Barkha ma'am is spewing venom against Modi on some video. So quite clearly the system had recognized this guy as a potential threat who couldn't be coopted way back, and tried to remove him.

In the process, they have showed that the media in India is absolutely third rate for the most part and completely driven by idealogical blinkers, greed and bias. And also that in the pursuit of power, votebank politics has gone to crazy levels.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 31 Jan 2014 02:09

Karan M wrote:
svenkat wrote:The former BRF moderator Maverick had defended Rahul saying Hindu backlash could have led to unchecked mayhem and chaos.I will not discount that version.Theres lot of rage in India against muslims.Also giving into one rage can lead to other issues,though they will be of lesser magnitude..
RaGa didnt say anything about any backlash. He just said Hindu extremism is the greatest threat to India at a time when jihadis were attacking India non stop. Only showed how callow he was and how influenced he was by his mentor, shri Digvijay Singh.

That's optics. Reality is that DS is "Peekdan" in which RaGa can spit any time and people will despise "peekdan" for "Gandagi" and the one who creates "Gandgi" by spitting gets no blame.

Abhijit · Post by **Abhijit** » 31 Jan 2014 02:21

Why did the usual suspects on the deshdrohi side get scared of NaMo right from 2002? I think one of the reasons was that NaMo brought down the conflagration in the most professional and the fastest time with most even-handed handling of any riot post 1947. The deshdrohi goons would have expected the orgy of violence in Gujarat (post Godhra) to have consumed months and lakhs of lives instead of 3 days and 1000 deaths. They got scared of NaMo's ability to handle the situation.

disha · Post by **disha** » 31 Jan 2014 03:05

saravana wrote:I still make out if this article is parody or not. The author is, I think, trying to defend Rahul

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/how-h ... 64921.html

For example
Why was RG not being specific? Why should he? He will do so in his speeches when he addresses the nation, not for revenue-run TRP-driven media. Has Times Now donated to the Congress Party’s election campaign? Is there a quid pro quo? No.

I am not getting the joke at all if is tongue in cheek. If this is serious, I wish to read more from this author.

Farzana Varshney is a bigot. I had excellent run-ins with her on twitter - the best way to handle that nutcase is to get her in touch with other bigots like Rana Ayyub or Kavita Krishnan and also the bakibots (baki bigots) come in handy. They get introduced and none of them respect each other. Bigots that they are.

Also Farzana is trying to make a career. So best is to head such bigots off early in the game.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 31 Jan 2014 03:09

Abhijit ji, i think something happened before itself, when this guy was in Delhi, was sent to Gujarat and it became clear he doesn't play ball like the other politicians (rivals in public, but will cooperate in private). The demonisation of this one man, is unprecedented in the history of India. Heck, the real bigots like Jinnah, Suhrawardy or the Musharraf-Ayub-Yahya folks have not even received a fraction of the hatred this guy did. Whereas a man who attempted to stop riots is made out to be the reason for everything, including terror attacks on India (see Pravin Swami's constant articles on him for instance).

Also, perhaps Godhra was supposed to send a "message" to the Hindu side to be the dhimmi folks they were supposed to be and the ferocity of the response from the average public was something the Left-Islamist cabal that has always sought to own the "intellectual space" under the guise of secularism, could not tolerate.

Modi became the posterboy to humiliate, in response. Assuming that the abject lesson would be taken to heart by all others on the Hindu side.

Eitherways, it has backfired spectacularly. Instead of cutting a deal with his "betters", he has taken the rug out from under their feet via his development focus & tough decisionmaker approach & also proven to be impartial. Which is a complete contrast to the manner in which UPA 1 & 2 ran this country.

disha · Post by **disha** » 31 Jan 2014 03:09

Abhijit wrote:Why did the usual suspects on the deshdrohi side get scared of NaMo right from 2002? I think one of the reasons was that NaMo brought down the conflagration in the most professional and the fastest time with most even-handed handling of any riot post 1947. The deshdrohi goons would have expected the orgy of violence in Gujarat (post Godhra) to have consumed months and lakhs of lives instead of 3 days and 1000 deaths. They got scared of NaMo's ability to handle the situation.

Nope, the deshdrohi's were bakibots, working for baki unkhil - operation parakram was going on and this guys wanted to fan fire to put a dent in op. parakram. Problem was NaMo when everything was controlled and taken back to normalcy in record time., this guy were caught with the proverbial "bhoot ka langot" (bhoot = ghost, langot = lower underwear., "bhoot ka langot" - ghosts' lower underwear) with their langots down and since then they are trying to prove the existence of "bhoot"

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 31 Jan 2014 03:13

disha wrote:Farzana Varshney is a bigot. I had excellent run-ins with her on twitter - the best way to handle that nutcase is to get her in touch with other bigots like Rana Ayyub or Kavita Krishnan and also the bakibots (baki bigots) come in handy. They get introduced and none of them respect each other. Bigots that they are.

Also Farzana is trying to make a career. So best is to head such bigots off early in the game.

Unfortunately, the vast majority of "erudite IMs" who one sees on print, social media, TV seem to be similar. Ostensibly secular, but firmly committed to "their cause" with a total us vs them mentality. Rana Ayyub of Tehelka for instance or the great shri Javed (of the Tejpal is a nice guy fame).

The likes of Minhaz Merchant are very few. Either most are silent or simply, it will take many years for them to integrate better into the mainstream (being positive about the issue).

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 31 Jan 2014 03:19

I suspect Godhra was supposed to be Mopalah Rebellion of the 21 century in the North, where finally the Hindu overloads were shown the right place and maybe communist can then take over all of north India (as they did with Kerela, show this religious struggle as class struggle, get many sections of Hindus support it, thereby permanently sterilizing the Hindu society, as in Kerela). That failed and they want to hang one person for it NM.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 31 Jan 2014 03:26

hello garus, how is paap going to affect elections in Haryana & Punjab?

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 31 Jan 2014 03:32

svenkat wrote:The former BRF moderator Maverick had defended Rahul saying Hindu backlash could have led to unchecked mayhem and chaos.I will not discount that version.Theres lot of rage in India against muslims.Also giving into one rage can lead to other issues,though they will be of lesser magnitude.

Rauls real mistake was not recogonising root cause but missing it for the symptoms.Cong under Ahmed Patel,Margaret Alva,Oscar Fernandez promoted short sighted OBC/BC leaders who were sacrificing the nation for populism.Mrs IG,Rajiv cultivated muslim vote banks but ensured muslims remained at margins of society.Mandal unleashed muslim potential as a vote bank and Cong encouraged seccessionism.Also Cong turned blind eye to muslim and christian population explosion and actively appeased mleccha cults while doing propoganda against Sanatana Dharma.

Both the times, first when RG became GS of conParty and later VP of ConParty the home ministers (first chidu then shinde) gave "Hindu Terrorism" , "saffron terrorism" statements. I read it as they were buttering rahul by saying what pleases him.

This genoice supporter salman khurshit pleases rahul-priyanka-sonia no end, who wrote in his book:
http://dharmanext.blogspot.in/2013/02/h ... -sins.html

Salman Khurshid states, "there was also a terrible satisfaction amongst Muslims, who had not completely forgotten the Partition’s unpleasant aftermath. Hindus and Sikhs were alike paying for their ‘sins’. They were paying for the blood they had drawn in 1947." (page 114)

From Salman Khurshid's book "At Home In India: A restatement of Indian Muslims"

The second reason:

http://nehrufamily.wordpress.com/

The Nehru family starts with the Mughal man named Ghiyasuddin Ghazi. He was the City Kotwal i.e. police officer of Delhi prior to the uprising of 1857, under the Mughal rule. After capturing Delhi in 1857, in the year of the mutiny, the British were slaughtering all Mughals everywhere. The British made a thorough search and killed every Mughal so that there were no future claimant to the throne of Delhi. So, the man Ghiyasuddin Ghazi (the word means kafir-killer) adopted a Hindu name Gangadhar Nehru and thus saved his life by the subterfuge. Ghiyasuddin Ghazi apparently used to reside on the bank of a canal (or Nehr) near the Red Fort. Thus, he adopted the name ‘Nehru’ as the family name. The 13th volume of the “Encyclopedia of Indian War of Independence” (ISBN:81-261-3745-9) by M.K. Singh states it elaborately. The Government of India have been hiding this fact.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 31 Jan 2014 04:13

IndraD wrote:hello garus, how is paap going to affect elections in Haryana & Punjab?

AAP would of course for quite some time continue to have some wind in its sails due to its performance in Delhi and its anti-graft image courtesy MSM. This image is quite useful in both Punjab and Haryana. Both states are well acquainted with this scourge.

Other than that:
1) AAP seems to be eating into BSP votebanks. Dalits are moving towards it.
2) Also Congress votebanks among the poor can also be transferred, just like in Delhi.
3) AAP has allied with Khalistani minded elements in Punjab - Damdani Taksal.

So basically AAP would get votes both from the killers during the Khalistan insurgency as well as from the victims. That's how clever they are.

In Haryana
1) AAP has been praising Khaaps.
2) Yogendra Yadav has also spoken about reservations for Jats.

So all the Hooda Jats who are not that happy with Hooda could move to AAP as well.

BJP cannot afford to be complacent, neither in Haryana, Punjab nor Delhi.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 31 Jan 2014 05:00

dear rajeshA--what reasons do you see to feel dalit are joining AAP, what steps can BJP take? If AAP wins 10-15 MPs in these 3 states combined, it will give then enough nuisance power.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 31 Jan 2014 05:15

IndraD ji,

I think it has to do with the proliferation of NGOs and local leaders among Dalits being on their payroll. In Delhi polls, BSP was a big loser. The Dalits had moved on to AAP.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 31 Jan 2014 05:23

so do we assume with around dozen MP seats in this chunaav, AAP is going to emerge as a national nuisance?

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 31 Jan 2014 05:34

IndraD wrote:so do we assume with around dozen MP seats in this chunaav, AAP is going to emerge as a national nuisance?

It depends on how they do in the national polls. While some Dalits have moved on to the AAP, it is far from complete. By going on a full offensive in Delhi, Haryana, Chandigarh, Punjab and western UP, BJP can greatly limit the damage. Also, given their great performance in Delhi, the AAP are under pressure to repeat that feat. If they lose badly in Delhi (possible if power cuts and water shortages make them unpopular - not to mention a helping hand given by the Somnath Bharti types in AAP), it is possible that the different factions in the AAP will turn on each other. Only success is holding them together. If the string of successes is broken, the BJP can break up the AAP. Further, their foreign funded NGOs can be tamed by the BJP government at the Centre. Ford Foundation can, at the extreme, be told to pack up and leave. If their involvement is detected, their heads in India (all top AAP leaders) may also be prosecuted. The BJP will swiftly need to cut down the AAP's NGO lifeline. Once that is achieved, the BJP will have a lot more room to manoeuvre, not only on the AAP issue, but also on the other issues of national importance (not least the proselytisation drives in India).

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 31 Jan 2014 05:37

IndraD wrote:so do we assume with around dozen MP seats in this chunaav, AAP is going to emerge as a national nuisance?

Well I don't see AAP getting any seats in Lok Sabha. AAP will get BIG ZERO. TsuNaMo is much too strong and in April/May it would reach its maximum typhoon strength.

In Delhi AAP got seats because AAP ran against Sheila Dixit govt. In Lok Sabha AAP would be running against Modi. In the hearts of vast majority Modi is already PM. Nobody is aware of current govt having a PM or UPA in elections having a PM candidate.

So Kejri is running against Modi and Modi would squash AAP under his chappal like a worm.

However quite possible for AAP to get into HR and MH assemblies. Their elections coming up.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 31 Jan 2014 05:46

Published on Jan 31, 2014
Sriramulu will join BJP: BSY: Times of India

MYSORE: BJP leader B S Yeddyurappa on Thursday said that he is in touch with BSR Congress leader Sriramulu, and it is the party which can take a decision on his rejoining the saffron party.

Talking to reporters here en route to Suttur to participate in the jatra celebrations, Yeddurappa said that he and his son are not keen on contesting Lok Sabha elections from Shimoga, "but will abide by the party's decision on that". "I'm keen to field a new face in Shimoga, and I'm sure of BJP winning the seat," he added.

"The administrative machinery in the state has collapsed, and Siddaramaiah, even after 8 months in office, is facing dissidence in his own party. I'm sure people will reject Congress in the Lok Sabha elections," he said, adding that he is now comfortable in BJP. "Rumours of me joining the Third Front, especially after the formation of KJP, are baseless. There is no question of me going out of BJP. My only aim is to make (Gujarat CM) Narendra Modi the prime minister. I will work towards that," he said.

Yeddyurappa claimed that BJP has grown stronger ever since he returned to the saffron party. "Climate is conducive for BJP to win many seats in Karnataka," he hoped.

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 31 Jan 2014 06:06

Had interactions with farzana a long time ago - she seemed to be keen on rationalizing the habitiual murder and ethnic cleansing of kashmiri Hindus...

From http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... ?f=9&t=222

Immediately, after the Nadimarg massacre of 24 Indians, including women and children, Farzana Versey wrote a scathing article, criticizing the Kashmiri Pandits, blaming them for leaving the valley – essentially the they-asked-for-it point-of-view.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 31 Jan 2014 06:12

RajeshA wrote:Published on Jan 31, 2014
Sriramulu will join BJP: BSY: Times of India

Thanks for the article, RajeshA-ji. I genuinely hope that the BJP does not take him back. He essentially set back Karnataka BJP hugely in moral terms (put it brutally, he is a jumped up thug). Let us hope that the BJP keeps him at a distance.

bhargava · Post by **bhargava** » 31 Jan 2014 06:38

Shonu wrote:
bhargava wrote:TimesNow @ 10 PM today was a football match. Only one goal post. HS Puri (BJP), Naresh Gujral (SAD) & HS Phoolka (AAP) were footballing Sanjay 'Takloo' Jha one after the other..being actively aided by Judge Arnab.
saar, is this available online?

Part 1
Part 2
Part 3

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 31 Jan 2014 08:32

KaranMji,Dhananjayji,
Thanks.

The BJP is a 'recent' entrant to TN.Many from TN have high regard for Nehru-Gandhi legacy.'We' are favourably predisposed to Nehrus because of language issues etc.The Nehru-Gandhis were interlocutors of pan-indian nationalism to TN as far as politics went.This was/is true to other non-hindi states to a lesser extent.The BJP is still on a weak wicket in Odisha,Punjab,Assam,KL,Andhra etc."We' tend to see Congress as the original Hindu national party and thats true to a large extent and JLN, warts and all, was a Kashmiri Pandit by birth.Mrs IG,Rajiv too had Hindu nationalist leanings.And in states like TN,the challenge to Congress came not from ML,but from the sons of the soil ideology(and positively of tamizh renaissance of sorts) of DMK as opposed to pan-indian nationalism of Congress.

But thanks to BRF,much of the veil has lifted atleast for me.Yes,I agree it was Mavs take on what Rahul said. Raul gave no context.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 31 Jan 2014 09:15

svenkat, always wanted to ask you: why do you say tamizh instead of tamil. the pronunciation in english is compatible with Tamil. if I were to pronounce Tamizh in English, it doesn't come out as tamil. the 'zh' might be pronounced as the accented 'l' in tamil, but not in english, no? it makes no sense. just something that always seemed peculiar to me.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 31 Jan 2014 09:26

devesh,
seems to me 'zh' is better than 'il' for that 'aksharam'(=ezhuttu) unique to tamizh and which was carried to malayalam.That sound has dissappeared in kannada though it existed in 'haale'(pazhaya) kannada.Tamizh,azhahu,pazham(original of "phalam"?),mozhi are such basic words proclaiming the 'independence' of tamizh,its 'svayambu' character.Its a source of pride to tamizh people.Most tamizh scholars use 'zh' while transliterating in English.

Yes,I agree that those who do not understand the nuances will anyway pronounce it wrong,but nothing wrong in trying to be 'accurate'?

kancha · Post by **kancha** » 31 Jan 2014 09:39

NPF (Naga Peoples Front) Men Join BJP

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 31 Jan 2014 09:46

so, is the tamil pronunciation exactly like the 'zh' transliteration? so basically, it's not "il" at all?