Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 02 Feb 2014 13:42

Jeez how would they prevent a front side blitz by jihadis? They have those obese police officers trying to contain the crowd from spilling over onto the base of the stage. Congress preventing full protection to Modi and he's smack in the middle of jihadi central in UP. Good luck to him and his security detail.

One more thing, this Rajnath character needs to quit being a buffoon and let the rally continue. Nobody cares about this mickey mouse. He is irritating.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 02 Feb 2014 13:50

^^RNS is living a dream term as lotus prez this time. Like I was happy to forgive Team India's UK tour after it won the world cup, similarly, am happy to overlook RNS' annoyances after he supported namo as PM candidate last sept...

Update:
RNS explicitly promises one-rank one-pension for all ex-servicemen. Good, good.

Karyakartas who worked for the rally happy to claim credit for the same... very nice to see that...

M Joshi · Post by **M Joshi** » 02 Feb 2014 13:52

7 RCR : Watch: First episode of 7 RCR on Narendra Modi

Story of Modi from his childhood to present day.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 02 Feb 2014 13:55

RoP never ceases to amuse me. They vote for the right candidate and they still look confused.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 02 Feb 2014 13:57

Thank god this mickey mouse stopped talking and let Modi come in. Crowd is charged. Thank you Meerut.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 02 Feb 2014 13:59

WOW crowd is roaring Modi. Unbelievable achievement. Its truly an ocean. 100% UP is going to be taken by Modi.

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 02 Feb 2014 14:19

RoyG wrote:Crowd is huge. 5 lakh! Revolution has now officially started in UP. Sound is deafening.

http://www.india272.com/up/

teetar says 7.5laks+

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 02 Feb 2014 14:28

RoyG wrote:

RoP never ceases to amuse me. They vote for the right candidate and they still look confused.

They look to me like they are not confused perhaps for the first time in their lives. And rightly so.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 02 Feb 2014 14:34

He should have some Hindutva in his speech. People already know about his development vision. This is a good opportunity to appease the core vote bank of BJP. Hope he takes it.

Added later : Why is he talking about Delhi? He should speak about the Mzffrnagar riots and SP's role.

archan · Post by **archan** » 02 Feb 2014 14:35

Good to hear he raised the point about NE children.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 02 Feb 2014 14:38

Chandragupta wrote:He should have some Hindutva in his speech. People already know about his development vision. This is a good opportunity to appease the core vote bank of BJP. Hope he takes it.

Added later : Why is he talking about Delhi? He should speak about the Mzffrnagar riots and SP's role.

+1.... Deja Vu onlee.... IN the Jammu rally he didn't mention KPs at all.... some omissions ring louder than commissions...

P.S. speech has ended.
Also he avoided hot potato issues like jat reservations....

vipins · Post by **vipins** » 02 Feb 2014 14:49

Its time for VOTE FOR INDIA!!!!!!

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 02 Feb 2014 14:52

NM took digs at ajit singh while paying adequate respects to chaudhary charan singh.... good. ex Mumbai ACP joined lotus, spoke at the rally and will contest from baghpat against ajit singh. very good indeed.

SanjayC · Post by **SanjayC** » 02 Feb 2014 14:53

archan wrote:Good to hear he raised the point about NE children.

That was with an eye on voters in North East.

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 02 Feb 2014 14:57

Modi govt faces flak for new BPL criteria
indiatoday.intoday.in | Feb 2nd 2014

The Narendra Modi government in Gujarat is facing attacks from the Congress and the CPI for a new definition of Below Poverty Line (BPL) category in the state.

According to a newspaper report, the state's Food and Civil Supplies Department has said in a circular that people who earned above Rs 11 a day in rural areas and Rs 17 a day in urban area in the state would not fall under the BPL category.

The circular said that only those earning less than Rs 324 per month in rural areas and Rs 501 per month in urban areas will be considered to be living below the poverty line, said the report.

The new BPL guidelines have apparently been uploaded on the department's website.

The Congress attacked the Modi government after the news broke since the Gujarat Chief Minister has been questioning the Planning Commission's move to put people earning Rs 32 in urban areas and Rs 26 in rural areas above the BPL category.

"Modi feels a person earning 11 per day is not poor and doesn't need any help. Would Rajnathji and Sushmaji pl react?" Congress leader Digvijaya Singh tweeted on Sunday.

However, BJP leader Giriraj Singh said the Gujarat government could not issue any such guideline. "It could be a website error."

CPI leader Gurudas Dasgupta said the new BPL criteria were "a mad decision."

"How can they come to this calculation? How can the man who is thinking to rule the country come to such conclusions?" he said.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 02 Feb 2014 15:16

80 Mins Interview condensed to 4 minutes

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 02 Feb 2014 16:07

Quite a neat scoop this one.... like someone mentioned - total chatur ramalingam ishtyle of 3 idiots fame...

P.S.
This *should* go viral, esp in the hindi heartland... will totally discredit her 'des ki bahu' masquerade....

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 02 Feb 2014 16:10

BTW, a Q that had bothered me before... but nice now to see a good number of women participate in the rally too... with adequate security arrangements and segregation etc provided for. Good.

member_20292 · Post by **member_20292** » 02 Feb 2014 16:27

gandharva wrote:
Abhijit wrote:^^^ gandharva, why is this stupid clip linked by you here? what is there in this entire clip that is worthy of attention by BR?

2) Among Modi baiters there are no decent people at all. Everyone is a fraud or a criminal

LOL. you're hate-mongering yourself.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 02 Feb 2014 16:41

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 02 Feb 2014 17:15

Am I the only one who thinks NaMo is trying hard to shake off the Hindutva image?Today's Meerut rally speech was disappointing, to say the least. He could have spoken about the Muzaffarnagar riot victims. He could have reached out to the Jats who were butchered at the canal. He could have talked about the Hindu issues of northern UP. But no - NaMo now wants to get away from the Hindutva tag, which could become more contentious. In government, I suspect he will become another Vajpayee - if even that. More likely to become a Chandrashekhar.

saumitra_j · Post by **saumitra_j** » 02 Feb 2014 17:23

Folks,
Please do not expect Modi to talk about Hindutva in rallies and give an easy stick for the opposition to beat the BJP with. What Modi will do is simply enforce the rule of law without showing any favour and that alone will take care of all anti nationals - Muslims or Hindus and that is what we want. Where Vajpayee failed in my humble opinion is that he kept the C System alive by not being uniform about applying the law - through his so called son in law, Pramod Mahajan types and so forth. As far as the Hindutva constituency is concerned, that will be kept happy by the likes of RSS and the local MLAs....

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 02 Feb 2014 17:23

Too early to judge. Right now he needs to win with minimum fuss.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 02 Feb 2014 17:30

nageshks wrote:Am I the only one who thinks NaMo is trying hard to shake off the Hindutva image?Today's Meerut rally speech was disappointing, to say the least. He could have spoken about the Muzaffarnagar riot victims. He could have reached out to the Jats who were butchered at the canal. He could have talked about the Hindu issues of northern UP. But no - NaMo now wants to get away from the Hindutva tag, which could become more contentious. In government, I suspect he will become another Vajpayee - if even that. More likely to become a Chandrashekhar.

why a BJP PM candidate should be explicit about hindutva? Isn't it assumed anyway? Why give media a reason to create doubt in people's mind? He is doing well so far. He must stay away from any "controversy" that the english media could perceive and extrapolate.

BJP this time banking heavily on young voters. Many of whom do perceive economy as a bigger problem than anti-hinduism. 2014 must be fought on the economic front and not religious. BJP must not give Congress any lifeline this time.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 02 Feb 2014 17:34

abhijitm wrote: why a BJP PM candidate should be explicit about hindutva? Isn't it assumed anyway? Why give media a reason to create doubt in people's mind? He is doing well so far. He must stay away from any "controversy" that the english media could perceive and extrapolate.

Last time, it was assumed about Vajpayee and did not materialise. The result was 10 years disenchantment for the BJP - no one would trust it. This time, if NaMo makes the same mistake, it will be curtains for the BJP. Its credibility will be completely gone and no one will volunteer for it except a few career politicians.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 02 Feb 2014 17:40

nageshks wrote:Am I the only one who thinks NaMo is trying hard to shake off the Hindutva image?Today's Meerut rally speech was disappointing, to say the least. He could have spoken about the Muzaffarnagar riot victims. He could have reached out to the Jats who were butchered at the canal. He could have talked about the Hindu issues of northern UP. But no - NaMo now wants to get away from the Hindutva tag, which could become more contentious. In government, I suspect he will become another Vajpayee - if even that. More likely to become a Chandrashekhar.

I would be worried if he does this after becoming PM. Talking at the this moment, it would be walking straight into the trap set by Mafia.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 02 Feb 2014 17:47

nageshks wrote:
abhijitm wrote: why a BJP PM candidate should be explicit about hindutva? Isn't it assumed anyway? Why give media a reason to create doubt in people's mind? He is doing well so far. He must stay away from any "controversy" that the english media could perceive and extrapolate.
Last time, it was assumed about Vajpayee and did not materialise. The result was 10 years disenchantment for the BJP - no one would trust it. This time, if NaMo makes the same mistake, it will be curtains for the BJP. Its credibility will be completely gone and no one will volunteer for it except a few career politicians.

One needs to be careful when handling a crowd of half a million or more coupled with a horrific incident in the vicinity just prior to the rally: http://www.thehansindia.com/posts/index ... ive--84373

The words from NaMo can be a chingaari. (credit to Atriji for pointing this out). I am not sure if this was a conscious decision to go slow or is it a well thought out message. If we look at Modiji's utterances in all rallies, he is unforgiving against Congress but other than that his message is mostly positive. It is never against any community. Time will tell how the voter reacts.

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 02 Feb 2014 17:48

Talking up Muzaffarnagar is exactly what the con system wants Modi to do.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 02 Feb 2014 17:52

nageshks wrote:
abhijitm wrote: why a BJP PM candidate should be explicit about hindutva? Isn't it assumed anyway? Why give media a reason to create doubt in people's mind? He is doing well so far. He must stay away from any "controversy" that the english media could perceive and extrapolate.
Last time, it was assumed about Vajpayee and did not materialise. The result was 10 years disenchantment for the BJP - no one would trust it. This time, if NaMo makes the same mistake, it will be curtains for the BJP. Its credibility will be completely gone and no one will volunteer for it except a few career politicians.

You just have to see how he ruled Gujarat all these years. The fact that Gujarat Govt. rejected all the money from Cenre which was to be paid to minorities is an example. Gujarat approached SC in spite of setbacks in lower courts, HC. If it does not convince you, nothing will convince you. The whole PAIDMEDIA, international media are waiting for a slip up of PUPPY remard to pounce on Modi and start bad mouthing him 24x7. They are not leaving even his wife who was married 45 years back briefly.

Either you get it from his actions or you don't get it.

subhamoy.das · Post by **subhamoy.das** » 02 Feb 2014 17:59

NAMO will take care of the NATION and that itself is enough to terminate the jihadi elements inside and outside the country. There will no appeasement and vote bank politics and that itself will take care. He is projecting himself as the prodigy of the Sardar the great unifier of Bharat.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 02 Feb 2014 18:00

vivek.rao wrote: You just have to see how he ruled Gujarat all these years. The fact that Gujarat Govt. rejected all the money from Cenre which was to be paid to minorities is an example. Gujarat approached SC in spite of setbacks in lower courts, HC. If it does not convince you, nothing will convince you. The whole PAIDMEDIA, international media are waiting for a slip up of PUPPY remard to pounce on Modi and start bad mouthing him 24x7. They are not leaving even his wife who was married 45 years back briefly.

Either you get it from his actions or you don't get it.

For 10 years, he was not apologetic about Hindutva. Today, he does not even mention it.

subhamoy.das · Post by **subhamoy.das** » 02 Feb 2014 18:06

He many not be directly speaking about hindutva but the tell tale signs are all there for u to pick - from his idea of india, to the posters of lord shiva in back of dias, to his visit to temples etc are giving out the right messages

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 02 Feb 2014 18:22

If one looks at Bharat Nirmaan advts released by I&B Ministry in TV,they show two photographs-one of DrMMS looking bashfully down like a young bride of olden days and Antonio Maino bright,confident,looking straight.The photographs are placed together such that Dr MMS turbans top is at same level with Antonia forehead while his eyes are way below Sonias eyes.The scumbag Manish Tewari at work.

During the Con bhaitaak in Delhi,there was not one cheer when Dr MMS listed his achievements in infrastructure,social sector,employment .There was a cold silence during MMS speech while the sycophants cheered the dumb idiot.

M Joshi · Post by **M Joshi** » 02 Feb 2014 19:18

What a clever way of word play he does, or his speechwriters/advisers. Sonia's remark about 'Zeher ki kheti' got a well fitted & logical reply from NaMo. If, A=B & B=C, therefore A=C. He said if Rahul is told by Sonia that political power is poison, then the party which has been most in political power in the last 60 years ought to be most poisonous. Thus, it's Congress which is poisonous & has been doing divide & rule kind of politics in the country.
Sonia must be browsing makemytrip.com after listening to his..

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 02 Feb 2014 19:20

nageshks wrote:Last time, it was assumed about Vajpayee and did not materialise. The result was 10 years disenchantment for the BJP - no one would trust it. This time, if NaMo makes the same mistake, it will be curtains for the BJP. Its credibility will be completely gone and no one will volunteer for it except a few career politicians.

NaMo's credibility lies more in economical revival than being religious. He will not be elected again if he fails (god forbid) there than any religious reason. The country has moved on from 1999 to 2014. This is not the right time for flamboyant hindutva, not at least in the public domain. Nevertheless I have no doubt about his credibility as far as both hindutva and economy is concerned.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 02 Feb 2014 19:23

Dr. Praveen Patil @albatrossinfo

A BKU leader from Kithore (dominated by minorities); "If Modi's idea of reaching out to Jats is by invoking Chaudhry ji, then God help BJP!"
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Dr. Praveen Patil @albatrossinfo

Just got this input from Meerut: "Jats were overwhelmingly in favor of BJP...are now cautiously optimistic"; #GenuineFeedback @narendramodi

Dr. Praveen Patil ‏@albatrossinfo 13m

This whole theory that even mentioning riots (read Muzaffarnagar) would make someone communal is self-defeating. End (no more tweets on this/

I expected this, and this is precisely what a hyper cautious BJP (if that is what NaMo is being) will get. If you don't even have the courge to talk of genuine problems to people, what can you expect from them? I don't buy the theory that being called communal will damage NaMo any. If anything, it will strengthen his credentials. If 10 years of relentless mainstream media propaganda could not damage NaMo, does anyone honestly believe that empathising with the Muzaffarnagar riot victims will do so? NaMo got where he is by being honest. He will get nowhere by being dishonest, or scared to talk to people of genuine issues.

The makeover of NaMo into a super-Vajpayee began a long time back - in October, IIRC, with the `toilets before temples' remark. Then came his forgetting the Pandits in Jammu. Now he forgets the agonies of the Jats in Meerut. I have observed this phenomenon in all BJP leaders. It seems to be a very generic Delhi disease.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 02 Feb 2014 19:26

abhijitm wrote:
nageshks wrote:Last time, it was assumed about Vajpayee and did not materialise. The result was 10 years disenchantment for the BJP - no one would trust it. This time, if NaMo makes the same mistake, it will be curtains for the BJP. Its credibility will be completely gone and no one will volunteer for it except a few career politicians.
NaMo's credibility lies more in economical revival than being religious. He will not be elected again if he fails (god forbid) there than any religious reason. The country has moved on from 1999 to 2014. This is not the right time for flamboyant hindutva, not at least in the public domain. Nevertheless I have no doubt about his credibility as far as both hindutva and economy is concerned.

Just one flaw in that diamond. The percentage of people who are volunteering for governance only constitute only about 20% of the volunteers. This is precisely what happened to Vajpayee. The people were still positive about Vajpayee, but not the volunteers. 2004 disaster in UP was precisely due to large scale sabotage from the volunteers, who were furious with ABV for abandoning every pretence of Hindutva. Today, NaMo is treading the same path. And he will end in exactly the same place.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 02 Feb 2014 19:34

nageshks wrote:
Just one flaw in that diamond. The percentage of people who are volunteering for governance only constitute only about 20% of the volunteers. This is precisely what happened to Vajpayee. The people were still positive about Vajpayee, but not the volunteers. 2004 disaster in UP was precisely due to large scale sabotage from the volunteers, who were furious with ABV for abandoning every pretence of Hindutva. Today, NaMo is treading the same path. And he will end in exactly the same place.

well said, he is treading down the same path. UP BJP karyakartas will be and should be might disappointed with this stale speech.

archan · Post by **archan** » 02 Feb 2014 19:35

I think NaMo is targeting first time voters and new converts (to BJP). By going soft on Hindutva, he may lose some votes, but the question would be, where would such a voter cast their vote if not or BJP? so their calculation is probably that they may lose some votes but stand to gain a lot more by focusing on development.
There are lots of people in India (Hindus) who couldn't care less if the temple is built or not. However they care about electricity, jobs, education for their kids..

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 02 Feb 2014 19:40

Meerut rally is not the only mean to reach out to Jats. There must be lot of things going on behind the rally. Speaking about riots in a rally when the entire nation is watching is like straightaway falling in trap.