Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 06 Feb 2014 06:48

Why should we copy the US in everything?

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 06 Feb 2014 06:51

KJoishy wrote:Why should we copy the US in everything?

We dont need to copy them. If our citizens need to go through the awfully painful procedure of getting a visa to go to the US, let their citizens too go through the same to visit india.

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 06 Feb 2014 06:54

Can anyone cite DETAILS of what SOLUTION NaMo proposed to Bangladeshi mess? One plan NaMo-bhagats propose is that once NaMo becomes PM, the Bangladeshi will automatically flee !! Or , one plan I hear is that NaMo bhagats will show NaMo as PM pictures to Bangldeshi and they will flee !! Does NaMo also endorse this plan? Or what details has he provided in the speech? To begin with, how does NaMo plan ensure that 1000s of officers under him stop Bangladeshi from coming in. Fence is useless. Any other means that NaMo proposed? And how will NaMo's officers identify/prove that a suspect is Bangladeshi and not bonafide Indian bengali muslim? And how will NaMo convince govt officers not to take bribes from govt officers and not let Bangladeshi stay?

And has NaMo opposed visa on arrival policy for Bangladeshi? A shadow-PM is supposed to oppose everything that acting PM does wrong. And if a shadow-PM doesnt oppose it, it should be presumed that he is supporter of the step PM took. If NaMo refuses to oppose this landmark step, we all must presume that NaMo is supporting this "visa on arrival for Bangladeshi" step and NaMo would continue it even after NaMo becomes PM.

In The Dharmik SMS thread, I will propose my solution to this new mess of "visa on arrival for Bangladeshis"

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http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 921043.cms

NEW DELHI: Putting to rest the reservations of the ministries of home affairs and external affairs, India on Wednesday allowed visa-on-arrival facility for tourists from 180 countries, including US, UK, China, UAE and Bangladesh. The move is expected to give a major boost to tourism in the country.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 06 Feb 2014 07:11

^^^^ 1000% agreed. This is absolute nonsense going on. BRfites just want brush everything under the carpet saying, this is not the time, arey then when is the damn time. As a PM nominee, he should raise his voice against this bunkum. If pakistan and china are not given visa on arrival, how on earth did bangladesh qualify. Are you able to screen applicants better from bangladesh. Has India's tracking mechanism of people overstaying their visas improved? BJP and Modi are doing a big disservice to the nation by keeping quiet on this issue. It is quite easy for paki fraudsters to get a nigerian passport and enter india. I repeat, this visa on arrival is an absolute disaster for a country like india.

If BJP keeps quiet on this issue especially after visa on arrival has been proposed even for bangladesh, people who say Namo is the change india needs and he will fix india's security and expel illegals are smoking pot. Again, i request bombarding BJP with emails, sms, twitter and FB and phone calls on this issue.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 06 Feb 2014 07:17

Visa on arrival on non-reciprocal basis can be a big issue. Especially with EJ activity and also radical preachers from UKstan and USofA. We are half-way towards a banana-republic with this move. GOI should be proud of how much damage it has been able to do so far.

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 06 Feb 2014 07:26

muraliravi wrote:^^^^ 1000% agreed. This is absolute nonsense going on. BRfites just want brush everything under the carpet saying, this is not the time, arey then when is the damn time. As a PM nominee, he should raise his voice against this bunkum. If pakistan and china are not given visa on arrival, how on earth did bangladesh qualify. Are you able to screen applicants better from bangladesh. Has India's tracking mechanism of people overstaying their visas improved? BJP and Modi are doing a big disservice to the nation by keeping quiet on this issue. It is quite easy for paki fraudsters to get a nigerian passport and enter india. I repeat, this visa on arrival is an absolute disaster for a country like india.

If BJP keeps quiet on this issue especially after visa on arrival has been proposed even for bangladesh, people who say Namo is the change india needs and he will fix india's security and expel illegals are smoking pot. Again, i request bombarding BJP with emails,sms, twitter and FB and phone calls on this issue.

AWMTA

. Btw, in the policy, China is given visa on arrival. And visa on china's arrival is bad too.

Pls use ONLY SMS and twitter, and pls dont use email etc. SMS is must so that commenest of common can also participate. Twitter is a also must for every twitterati and netizen. Pls do tell all that EVERY BJP leader has supported this policy of visa on arrival for Bangladeshi , till BJP leader opposes it in public and apologizes for delay in registering his opposition on affidavit.

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 06 Feb 2014 07:32

muraliravi wrote: We dont need to copy them. If our citizens need to go through the awfully painful procedure of getting a visa to go to the US, let their citizens too go through the same to visit india.

GoI would like to have more tourists (including US based tourists) visiting India and spending their travel dollars in India. Same goes for business investors coming to India. Why would we want to make it difficult for traveller's from these non-threat countries to visit India? This would like cutting off the nose to spite the face, if GoI insists on a tit for tat for every GOTUS action. Let us focus on growing our nation and let others play games as they see fit.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 06 Feb 2014 07:42

LokeshC wrote:Visa on arrival on non-reciprocal basis can be a big issue. Especially with EJ activity and also radical preachers from UKstan and USofA. We are half-way towards a banana-republic with this move. GOI should be proud of how much damage it has been able to do so far.

We can always refuse visas to preachers from every country, based on their online applications. There is nothing they can do against it. It is for government to set policy. Visa on arrival is not going to make it harder or easier for preachers.

Bangladesh is a different matter. As are citizens of countries that are routine offenders of visa regulations. But for other countries - making visa regulations easier for some categories of visas may not be a bad idea.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 06 Feb 2014 07:50

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 06 Feb 2014 07:54

bhargava wrote:
krishnan wrote:BTW third front will take country to third grade comment, was this posted some where in twitter ???
Straight from the boss himself

no i read it some where else before, not sure whether in BRF or twitter

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 06 Feb 2014 07:58

muraliravi wrote:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 919007.cms

They plan to start it from Oct 2014. Needs to be opposed tooth and nail. I hope BJP govt will cancel it the 1st day.

I think what they can insist on is that every foreigner be enrolled and issued an Aadhar number as part of the visa application or at the airport. That will ensure that fingerprints and iris scans are on hand for every visitor, and help investigators get some leads on Headley type visitors.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 06 Feb 2014 07:58

muraliravi wrote:Currently US citizens needs to be present in person in the Indian embassy to get a visa and the same rule applies to indians wanting to visit the US. Now if India is willing to process the visa application of an US citizen online, will US reciprocate (I say no way in hell). This should be reciprocatory, not a one way street. Only give this facility to countries which offer the same option to indian citizens.

a) The list of countries has not been provided. Going on a diatribe about any particular country is premature.
b) For those countries for which an actual visa-on-arrival facility exists today, most of them, including all the developed nations, do not reciprocate the same facility to India - Japan, NZ, Finland and Singapore.

In fact, among developed countries, I can think of just one - Hong Kong - where an Indian can land up with just a passport and get visa on arrival. There are a few others where having a visa or permanent residency from US/EU gets you entry, e.g. South Korea, Taiwan and Canada.

It is in our interests to encourage business and tourist travel. For example, New Delhi airport currently serves almost 7 million transit passengers a year; it is an increasingly viable transfer stop on the large England-Australia travel market.

We should constrain the flexibility of citizens from nations who don't provide sufficient reciprocity, but first, we need to consider our own business case. It's possible to
a) restrict citizens from certain countries from applying for this ETA
b) be charged full reciprocal application fees (non refundable)
c) for certain country passports to be restricted to a much shorter stay duration, e.g a 72-96hr transit pass. For example, major Chinese airports do this, permitting US and all EU passport holders to transit for 72hrs, but they all need to apply for proper visa in person for longer stays.

This really isn't a matter for Modi or BJP to act in such a churlish manner about. We should do what brings us more money, while calibrating the amount of freedoms available to specific nations to suit our foreign policy imperatives. Other than TSP/BD citizens being kept out of the ambit of this framework, there's really nothing significant in this. If it leads to even more than the current ~55 or so countries giving Indians easier entry access sooner, all the better.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 06 Feb 2014 08:01

Suraj wrote:
muraliravi wrote:Currently US citizens needs to be present in person in the Indian embassy to get a visa and the same rule applies to indians wanting to visit the US. Now if India is willing to process the visa application of an US citizen online, will US reciprocate (I say no way in hell). This should be reciprocatory, not a one way street. Only give this facility to countries which offer the same option to indian citizens.
a) The list of countries has not been provided. Going on a diatribe about any particular country is premature.
b) For those countries for which an actual visa-on-arrival facility exists today, most of them, including all the developed nations, do not reciprocate the same facility to India - Japan, NZ, Finland and Singapore.

In fact, among developed countries, I can think of just one - Hong Kong - where an Indian can land up with just a passport and get visa on arrival. There are a few others where having a visa or permanent residency from US/EU gets you entry, e.g. South Korea, Taiwan and Canada.

It is in our interests to encourage business and tourist travel. For example, New Delhi airport currently serves almost 7 million transit passengers a year; it is an increasingly viable transfer stop on large the England-Australia travel market.

We should constrain the flexibility of citizens from nations who don't provide sufficient reciprocity, but first, we need to consider our own business case. It's possible to
a) restrict citizens from certain countries from applying for this ETA
b) be charged full reciprocal application fees (non refundable)
c) for certain country passports to be restricted to a much shorter stay duration, e.g a 72-96hr transit pass. For example, major Chinese airports do this, permitting US and all EU passport holders to transit for 72hrs, but they all need to apply for proper visa in person for longer stays.

This really isn't a matter for Modi or BJP to act in such a churlish manner about. We should do what brings us more money, while calibrating the amount of freedoms available to specific nations to suit our foreign policy imperatives. Other than TSP/BD citizens being kept out of the ambit of this framework, there's really nothing significant in this. If it leads to even more than the current ~55 or so countries giving Indians easier entry access sooner, all the better.

Well, BD citizens are also being given this option.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 06 Feb 2014 08:06

In that case the solution for a BJP administration is to remove BD from the country list, not to end the program itself. Further, the article states:

for all countries barring eight "prior reference'' countries including Pakistan, Iran, Sri Lanka and China.

It does not explicitly mention either Bangladesh, or the US for that matter. The only reference to BD is someone in the comments, which is even less credible. There are four countries not quoted in the "prior reference" list.

disha · Post by **disha** » 06 Feb 2014 08:17

Suraj wrote: This really isn't a matter for Modi or BJP to act in such a churlish manner about. We should do what brings us more money, while calibrating the amount of freedoms available to specific nations to suit our foreign policy imperatives. Other than TSP/BD citizens being kept out of the ambit of this framework, there's really nothing significant in this. If it leads to even more than the current ~55 or so countries giving Indians easier entry access sooner, all the better.

We should also allow BD's (but definitely restrict Bakis!)

I know lot of people will do rona-dhona., but most of the BD's who will avail the visa-on-arrival facility will be the elite BDs and they are in India for business. Their stops will be Kolkata or Guwahati. And the same can be said for Indians going to BD.

Think this way, if India is on a sustained 8-10% growth rate for 2 decades, BD, Nepal and SL will become vassal states. Their entire economy will be tied to the mothership India. A $12T economy will not be something to sneeze at and half of US economy.

So stop this dhoti-shivering and concentrate on making money (and donating some to your local temples!). This will counter all the EJ'ism and Islamism and all the Rona-Dhona.

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 06 Feb 2014 08:20

Dear All,

The decision to give visa on arrival to Bangldeshi citizens was taken on 16-dec-2012. The BJP leaders were requested by Saudi Arabians to hide this fact from activists and voters in India. Just as Saudi Arabians requested BJP leaders to support the Sonia Gandhi decision to suppress religion/language statistics of 2011 census. BJP-leaders agreed for publicity they wanted from Saudi funded media. Quid-pro-quo.

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http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes ... government

Now, visa-on-arrival for Bangladeshi citizens

Debashis Konar, TNN Dec 17, 2012

KOLKATA: The Centre is planning a new travel agreement with Bangladesh, enabling citizens of both the countries to avail visa on arrival. This new travel agreement is likely to be signed in January 2013, when Indian home minister Sushil Kumar Shinde will be visiting Dhaka to sign a number of other pacts with his Bangladeshi counterpart M K Alamgir. Indian officials are expecting the new travel agreement to come into effect from April, as it will take some time to process it.

The move is aimed at mending fences with Bangladesh. The country had been left disappointed after the Teesta agreement fell through in September 2011. The objection raised by Bengal chief minister Mamata Banerjee disrupted the process. With the Teesta pact put on hold and Mamata still sticking to her stance, external affairs minister Salman Khurshid skipped the subject while discussing bilateral issues with Alamgir in New Delhi earlier this month.

The visa-on-arrival will initially be restricted to certain categories of travellers. Shinde and Alamgir had held talks in Delhi a fortnight ago, so that Bangladesh government agrees to provide a similar visa-on-arrival to Indians. The move is also expected to give a boost to the image of Bangladesh Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina, who will be facing elections in 2013. She is known for her initiatives to improve Indo-Bangla relationship. In 2012, there were regular talks on bilateral issues, with Bangladesh foreign minister Dipu Moni travelling to India on a number of occasions. Hasina even sent an envoy to attend I K Gujral's funeral recently. Indian President Pranab Mukherjee also has plans to visit Bangladesh.

Indian officials said the facility would be available to patients coming to India for treatment, elderly citizens above 65 and children below 12 years of age with parents accompanying them. Plans are afoot to extend this facility to businessmen and tourists travelling in groups. Visa-on-arrival is likely to remain valid for two months and talks are on to explore the possibility of exempting businessmen from reporting before the local police. Also, travelers who have never overstayed the visa period could be eligible for this visa. At present, there are plans to allow Bangladesh visitors to enter India, through visa-on-arrival, at points like the Haridaspur-Benapol border, as the Kolkata to Dhaka bus plies through this route. Another point can be Gede-Darshana border, in case the visitors travel by train and the Kolkata and Delhi airports. Similarly, a visa-on-arrival centre may come up at Tripura as there is a direct bus link between Agartala and Dhaka.

However, the officials want to ensure that the entry and exit points from India should be the same. Then it will be easier for the Indian agencies to keep track of those who are staying back, because there are often allegations that many people from Bangladesh, entering on a short visa, are staying back and it becomes difficult for the Indian agencies to track them.

It is sickening to see people supporting such BJP-leaders and still thinking that they are nationalists.

disha wrote: We should also allow BD's (but definitely restrict Bakis!) . I know lot of people will do rona-dhona., but most of the BD's who will avail the visa-on-arrival facility will be the elite BDs and they are in India for business. Their stops will be Kolkata or Guwahati. And the same can be said for Indians going to BD. Think this way, if India is on a sustained 8-10% growth rate for 2 decades, BD, Nepal and SL will become vassal states. Their entire economy will be tied to the mothership India. A $12T economy will not be something to sneeze at and half of US economy.

[sarcasm ON] Growth rate will be higher if Bangladeshis are allowed en-masse. Because if Bangladeshis are allowed, then within 10 years NE and WB will become part of Bangladesh. And there are low growth rate areas. So growth rate of rest of India will be now higher. Also, Hindi migrants from NE and WB will provide ample cheap labor to whole of India. So India will grow at much faster rate. [sarcasm OFF]

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 06 Feb 2014 08:27

disha wrote:
Suraj wrote: This really isn't a matter for Modi or BJP to act in such a churlish manner about. We should do what brings us more money, while calibrating the amount of freedoms available to specific nations to suit our foreign policy imperatives. Other than TSP/BD citizens being kept out of the ambit of this framework, there's really nothing significant in this. If it leads to even more than the current ~55 or so countries giving Indians easier entry access sooner, all the better.
We should also allow BD's (but definitely restrict Bakis!)

I know lot of people will do rona-dhona., but most of the BD's who will avail the visa-on-arrival facility will be the elite BDs and they are in India for business. Their stops will be Kolkata or Guwahati. And the same can be said for Indians going to BD.

Think this way, if India is on a sustained 8-10% growth rate for 2 decades, BD, Nepal and SL will become vassal states. Their entire economy will be tied to the mothership India. A $12T economy will not be something to sneeze at and half of US economy.

So stop this dhoti-shivering and concentrate on making money (and donating some to your local temples!). This will counter all the EJ'ism and Islamism and all the Rona-Dhona.

I will agree to your concept if the incoming govt can show that, by using this theory we have increased out GDP and at the same time, census over census the hindu pop% is slowly increasing.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 06 Feb 2014 08:58

I suppose the BDs who cross over illegally will be loathe to pay the extra processing fees, procure passports etc that visa on arrival needs.
tourists and businessmen will be main users.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 06 Feb 2014 09:14

Folks on the ground in the eastern region, any comment on how the regional and vernacular media - electronic and print - have covered NM's kolkata rally so far (if at all they have)?

Was the slant positive, negative or neutral? What's the vibe among aam janta?

Also, wondering if the NE region's media covered this.... Asom, Tripura, Arunachal, Manipur...

Some dispassionate analysis would be most welcome....

vineetmehta · Post by **vineetmehta** » 06 Feb 2014 09:39

Hari Seldon wrote:Folks on the ground in the eastern region, any comment on how the regional and vernacular media - electronic and print - have covered NM's kolkata rally so far (if at all they have)?

Was the slant positive, negative or neutral? What's the vibe among aam janta?

Also, wondering if the NE region's media covered this.... Asom, Tripura, Arunachal, Manipur...

Some dispassionate analysis would be most welcome....

Read "The Telegraph" today. They have full front page article giving thumbs up to the speech. Said that more than 1.5lacs attended the rally. Said its risky for Modi to quote Tagore because of bad acoustics.

Local Hindustan Times also gave half front page to Modi rally. They were also positive and said that Modi is eyeing to ally with TMC

disha · Post by **disha** » 06 Feb 2014 10:25

Rahul Mehta wrote: [sarcasm ON] Growth rate will be higher if Bangladeshis are allowed en-masse. Because if Bangladeshis are allowed, then within 10 years NE and WB will become part of Bangladesh. And there are low growth rate areas. So growth rate of rest of India will be now higher. Also, Hindi migrants from NE and WB will provide ample cheap labor to whole of India. So India will grow at much faster rate. [sarcasm OFF]

I thought you are a pant-wearing gujju., when did you start dhoti-shivering?

archan · Post by **archan** » 06 Feb 2014 10:46

Rahul Mehta wrote:Dear All,

The decision to give visa on arrival to Bangldeshi citizens was taken on 16-dec-2012. The BJP leaders were requested by Saudi Arabians to hide this fact from activists and voters in India.

Please also tell us which BJP leader met which Saudi leader, on what date, how much money was transferred into whose account..
I thought the Sauds didn't think highly of Pakis and BDs (racial bias being larger than co-religion brotherhood). But since you have such great sources, I am sure you can tell us the above? right?
Please, the nation wants to know!!

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 06 Feb 2014 11:05

archan wrote: Please also tell us which BJP leader met which Saudi leader, on what date, how much money was transferred into whose account..
I thought the Sauds didn't think highly of Pakis and BDs (racial bias being larger than co-religion brotherhood). But since you have such great sources, I am sure you can tell us the above? right?
Please, the nation wants to know!!

[....direct and crude personal attack deleted...spend your cycles on better posts which you are already doing ]

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 06 Feb 2014 11:25

kolkata

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 06 Feb 2014 11:47

Hari Seldon wrote:Folks on the ground in the eastern region, any comment on how the regional and vernacular media - electronic and print - have covered NM's kolkata rally so far (if at all they have)?

Was the slant positive, negative or neutral? What's the vibe among aam janta?

Also, wondering if the NE region's media covered this.... Asom, Tripura, Arunachal, Manipur...

Some dispassionate analysis would be most welcome....

top news in all kolkata papers, at least half the front page. portrays it as a show of strength and a shock to other parties. telegraph has given lots of space in its local coverage to non-conventional rally attendees, like students and businessmen.
mamata didi stopped all work to follow it and is displeased about some of the remarks. apparently mentioned to some cronies that TMC will not ally with a kommunal party. all the babus were busy following it as well, whether on TV or computer.

in NE I can talk of assam and AP where there's a strong modi wave. I know of obscure villages in AP w/o phone or electricity coverage that have sent iron for Sardar Patel's statue. rijju must be lamenting his brief time with INC since otherwise this would have been a walkover for him, given the modi wave. he has lost some credibility for that but still has enough support.

there's a modi rally at guwahati on 8th and that will definitely be covered well in at least those two states.

rohitv · Post by **rohitv** » 06 Feb 2014 12:25

krishnan wrote:BTW third front will take country to third grade comment, was this posted some where in twitter ???

Yes he said that, I tweeted it

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 06 Feb 2014 15:23

The hounding of Amit Shah

http://www.niticentral.com/2014/02/06/t ... 87388.html

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 06 Feb 2014 17:45

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 06 Feb 2014 18:16

Suraj" This really isn't a matter for Modi or BJP to act in such a churlish manner about. We should do what brings us more money, while calibrating the amount of freedoms available to specific nations to suit our foreign policy imperatives. Other than TSP/BD citizens being kept out of the ambit of this framework, there's really nothing significant in this. If it leads to even more than the current ~55 or so countries giving Indians easier entry access sooner, all the better.

Disha: We should also allow BD's (but definitely restrict Bakis!) I know lot of people will do rona-dhona., but most of the BD's who will avail the visa-on-arrival facility will be the elite BDs and they are in India for business. Their stops will be Kolkata or Guwahati. And the same can be said for Indians going to BD. Think this way, if India is on a sustained 8-10% growth rate for 2 decades, BD, Nepal and SL will become vassal states. Their entire economy will be tied to the mothership India. A $12T economy will not be something to sneeze at and half of US economy. So stop this dhoti-shivering and concentrate on making money (and donating some to your local temples!). This will counter all the EJ'ism and Islamism and all the Rona-Dhona.

Disha,

Is this sarscasm or real? And Bangladeshi wont confine to Kolkata and will settle in Mumbai, Delhi, everywhere. And what will stop them from coming on tourist viss and then working on all sorts of jobs and take payments in cash. There is no law in India which requires employer to verify status or employee. And law only says that payment if cash to unknown person , cannot be taken as expense. But there is no law against making cash payment to unknown person, except for corporates. The corporate too can hire a contractor who is citizen, pay him for the work, and the citizen can pay to Bangaldeshi . IOW, all Bangladeshi will come as tourist and start working in legal or illegal jobs. You still think this wont hurt India?

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Dear all,

Visa on arrival is a good policy in a country which has good internal ID system to prove/disprove if a person is outsider or foreigner. USA may be liberal to illegal immigrants, but has solid process and documentation to prove/disprove legality. And visa on arrival is good policy if country doesnt have slums where illegal can come and stay in hoards. eg in Hong Kong, it is NOT easy for illegal immigrants to stay in clusters, though a handful may sneak in. And an immigrant cant get voter-id etc so easily as they can in India. And visa on arrival is good if country has system in place where illegal immigrants cant get employment easily. We have nothing in India. And people here want visa on arrival for Bangladeshi !!

Archan,

Pls dont delete anti-RM-comments from anti-RM-elements. I enjoy reading them. The anti-RM-elements used to bash me in mid 1990s when I used to say that ABV will go dud, and used to bash me in early 2000s when I used to say that LKA is AluminiumPurush and not LohPurush. I wish I had saved their anti-RM-comments. And now these guys are chasing NaMo despite the fact that silence on major issue is not Taquia but it is a clear message from NaMo that "I am NOT going to do these tasks". The andh-bhagats are like battered women, who leave one abuser only to fall in love with another abuser. Each time they leave one abuser, one would expect them not to fall in love with another abuser. But that doesnt happen. I dont mind they putting me in "ignore" list. I wish they could put all reality in ignore list as well as live happily in some virtual reality. All in all, I love their comments. Pls dont delete them.

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Dear All,

NaMo's has been silent on many issues such as

1. There is no promise to remove FDI in paid-media

2. There is NO promise to make RJB Devalaya, KJB Devalaya, KV Devalaya

3. There is NO clear promise to expel existing Bangldeshis amd stop newcomers. And there is NO proposed plan. There is NO opposition to this new "visa on arrival" policy for Bangladeshi.

4. There is NO statement on population control of those who population is growing too fast

5. There is no proposal to ensure resettlement of Kashimiri Pandits

6. The promise to abolish art-370 has now become "debate on art-370" and "art-370 stays if it is good for growth".

7. There defeaning silence on UCC. I hope you do remember what UCC means !!

8. There is NO statement on reducing corruption either

And countless silences more.

This silence is NOT Taqia, but a clear message from NaMo to Hinduvadies that "dont ask for above items after I become PM in jun-2014". So Hinduvadies will have NO moral authority to assert on these issues even after NaMo becomes PM in jun-2014. So situation is worse than 1996 !!! Because in 1996, ABV had made all these promises and so Hinduvaadies had right to assert themselves in late 1990s and early 2000s. This time, Hinduvadies will have NO moral right to ask for anything. Will these items come anyway? Well, it will depend on when MNC-owners want war with Iran.

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Rahul Mehta: The decision to give visa on arrival to Bangldeshi citizens was taken on 16-dec-2012. The BJP leaders were requested by Saudi Arabians to hide this fact from activists and voters in India.

archan: Please also tell us which BJP leader met which Saudi leader, on what date, how much money was transferred into whose account.. I thought the Sauds didn't think highly of Pakis and BDs (racial bias being larger than co-religion brotherhood). But since you have such great sources, I am sure you can tell us the above? right? Please, the nation wants to know!!

Nation already knows. I mean, the part of nation which reads my facebook notes knows. The rest doesnt need to know.

303:017: BJP MPs had raised age from 16 yrs to 18 yrs in Juvenile Act; can reason be Saudi money to increase love-jehad?
https://facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10151182275711922

303.055 : Leaders are NOT after muslim votes, but are after Saudi money, Saud funded tv-channels; Solution? RTR-Doordarshan-CEO
https://facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10151576497521922

Essentially, there is NO such thing as muslim votes unless you believe in 16 > 80 maths. The leaders use muslim votes as excuse to cover the real reason , namely Saudi Money. As per account numbers, you can ask Pramod Mahajan or anyone close to him.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 06 Feb 2014 18:23

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 06 Feb 2014 18:33

Mafia out of control.

IT notices to SCA, Sugar cooperatives in Gujarat

The income tax department has begun issuing fresh demand notices to cooperative sugar mills in Gujarat for paying cane price over and above the fair and remunerative price (FRP) fixed by the government.

Sugar mill owners said co-operatives do not pay any income tax because they say the profit generated is distributed among member farmers. However, according to the I-T department, the money paid to farmers above the FRP is profit and hence attracts income tax.

The I-T department has assessed the dues of the sugar industry at Rs 6174.41 crore for the period of over 25 years.

Income Tax department has slapped Rs. 26 crore notice to Saurashtra Cricket Association after survey of last two years.

http://deshgujarat.com/2014/02/05/it-no ... n-gujarat/

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 06 Feb 2014 18:36

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/dwivedi-seeks-end-to-castebased-reservation/article5652333.ece

At a time when quota is the buzz word in politics, senior Congress leader Janardan Dwivedi has called for an end to reservation on caste lines and urged party vice-president Rahul Gandhi to introduce quota for financially weaker sections bringing all communities under its ambit.

Mr. Dwivedi’s pitch to end caste-based reservation comes at a time when the Congress is pursuing minority sub-quota, supporting reservation in promotion for SCs/STs and appears favourably disposed towards reservation for Jats.

The concept of social justice has now turned into casteism... I believe there is a need to dismantle this ....Since Rahul Gandhiji is seeking views of people directly for the party manifesto, I am now urging him that he should take a bold decision,” the party general secretary said.

He is the future leader of Congress. Only one who rises above all this and breaks the boundaries of caste and communalism will be the future leader of the country.The forthright comments on such a sensitive issue by the otherwise reticent party general secretary have come at a time when the party is gearing up for the Lok Sabha polls.

Justifying his pitch for ending caste-based reservations, he said the situation has changed from the past and “now no person has the moral courage to publicly endorse casteism.”

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/dwivedis-pitch-against-quota-stirs-anger-in-congress/article5656895.ece?ref=relatedNews

Sonia says quota is end "discrimination imposed by centuries of subjugation and oppression
The Congress swung into damage control mode on Wednesday after general secretary Janardan Dwivedi’s call to end the caste-based reservation caused anger within the party and drew sharp criticism across the political spectrum.

In a strongly worded statement, party president Sonia Gandhi did not just rule out such a possibility, she took full ownership of the caste-based reservation, stressing that “they were introduced by the Congress, they have been strengthened by the Congress and they will continue to be championed by the Congress.”

Her intervention came, senior party sources told The Hindu, after several party leaders conveyed their unhappiness with Mr. Dwivedi’s statement. Indeed, her statement is being read in party circles as a snub to the senior general secretary who was, till recently, the party’s communication chief. The Dwivedi has been shown his place by raul vinci-"be careful about statements".

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-ajit-jogi-opposes-janardan-dwivedi-s-suggestion-to-end-caste-based-quotas-1959668

archan · Post by **archan** » 06 Feb 2014 19:00

Rahul Mehta wrote: Nation already knows. I mean, the part of nation which reads my facebook notes knows. The rest doesnt need to know.

303:017: BJP MPs had raised age from 16 yrs to 18 yrs in Juvenile Act; can reason be Saudi money to increase love-jehad?
https://facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10151182275711922

303.055 : Leaders are NOT after muslim votes, but are after Saudi money, Saud funded tv-channels; Solution? RTR-Doordarshan-CEO
https://facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10151576497521922

Essentially, there is NO such thing as muslim votes unless you believe in 16 > 80 maths. The leaders use muslim votes as excuse to cover the real reason , namely Saudi Money. As per account numbers, you can ask Pramod Mahajan or anyone close to him.

OK so I visited your pages. I still see the same thing as I see here in your posts. What you ay is what you "feel" or "suspect". I asked, do you know for sure, and do you know the details of who took how much money from which Saud? if not, there is no difference between you and some others here who throw around allegations, traitor-calls, or between you and Kejriwal types who shout Jaitley offered xxx money to our guys and we have proof but when you ask them to show it - diddly squat.
For the record, I didn't delete nagesh's post, Singha did. I don't know what he posted. Seems he quoted me. For all you know, he might have called me some choicest names

So again, your logic is because Advani praised Jinnah, he must have taken Saudi money? really, that's all you got for "proof"?
I would doubt if the Sauds care two hoots about Jinnah!

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 06 Feb 2014 19:30

All these theories of NaMo becoming Vajpayee and secularized, you have to look at one thing.

Feb's cover story: Swami Aseemanand says RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat sanctioned terrorist attacks http://www.caravanmagazine.in/press-release http://www.caravanmagazine.in/reportage/believer

Aseemanand implicates RSS and Mohan Bhagwat in bomb attacks. Extraordinary piece in Caravan by Leena Gita Reghunath http://www.caravanmagazine.in/reportage/believer

Rishi Bagree ‏@rishibagree 14m
Every time the dynasty is in trouble (like Sonia Gandhi in Agusta Westland), sleeper cells like Tehelka, Blue virus or Caravan get activated

Rajdeep Sardesai ‏@sardesairajdeep 1h
Cnn ibn prime: Last word: 8.30pm: is third front a pipedream? India at 9: 'saffron' terror: conspiracy against RSS or need for full probe?

Rajdeep Sardesai ‏@sardesairajdeep 12h
The Caravan cover story on Aseemanand that could stir the pot. http://www.caravanmagazine.in/reportage/believer

Look at how CONgis, PAIDMEDIA, NGOs all act in unison and collusion.

Modi being careful does not mean he is turning Vajpayee.

Have some faith guys! If you can't trust the man who showed through action, who will you trust?

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 06 Feb 2014 19:50

I think visa on arrivan for BD and China is a typo from the news outlet. I checked other places, i dont think these countries will get visa on arrival

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 06 Feb 2014 20:31

VINAASHA KAALE I cant find a word for this Neecha Buddhi

http://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/Ishrat-Case-CBI-Files-Charge-Sheet-Against-Former-IB-Official-3-Others/2014/02/06/article2041761.ece

The CBI today charged former Special Director in the Intelligence Bureau Rajinder Kumar with murder and criminal conspiracy in the Ishrat Jahan encounter case but left out Amit Shah, a close aide of Narendra Modi, who was under the scanner in the case.

Shah, who was Minister of State for Home during the sensational killing of Ishrat, a girl from Mumbra near Mumbai, and three alleged LeT activists in June 2004, is an accused in the Sohrabuddin fake encounter case.

The CBI went ahead and filed the charge sheet against Kumar and three other IB officers despite law ministry's denial of sanction to prosecute them.

Besides Kumar, a 1979 batch IPS officer who retired last year, those named in the charge sheet are P Mittal, M K Sinha and Rajiv Wankhede.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 06 Feb 2014 20:46

svenkat wrote:VINAASHA KAALE I cant find a word for this Neecha Kshudra Buddhi

Is there really a need to use casteist cursing! Please try without!

archan · Post by **archan** » 06 Feb 2014 20:51

^ saar, sooner or later the real person from within comes out.
I'd be careful if I were you, svenkat.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 06 Feb 2014 20:51

Saar,
I have edited the word on my own.Kshudra is NOT sh&*^a.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 06 Feb 2014 20:58

It is a wrong accusation against me.Theres no place for old casteism today.If you have seen my posts,you would find me extremely sensitive to dalit claims of justice and dignity apart from tamizh language sensitivities because for me it is about empowerment of all people.क्षुद्रता -petty,mean