Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 06 Feb 2014 21:05

Visa on arrival is okay for countries,

1) where either we do have a civilizational stake - Nepal, Bhutan, Tibet, Myanmar, Sri Lanka, or
2) where the per capita income is substantially higher than in India*
3) once all those entering India give it in writing that they would not indulge in any ideologically motivated religious or political activities harmful to India, which can include consorting with religious institutions and individuals, media, NGOs, political players.

In case of violation of 3, the foreigner can be put in a dungeon till his teeth fall off due to old age!

* Also there should be no visa-on-arrival
- for any "powers" like USA (and its minions like UK, Australia, Canada), China, Russia, France with active intel-gathering infrastructure
- for any countries which act as hubs of ideological activism (Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Pakistan, Vatican),
- for any neighboring countries with which we have a history of antagonism (Pakistan, China, Bangladesh)

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 06 Feb 2014 21:11

The caravan piece actually has NaMo seeking out Aseemanand and gives an account of him promising to implement his ideas before 2002

“When my conversion stories made national news, and when Sonia Gandhi flew down to make speeches against me, there was a lot of discussion in the media,” Aseemanand said. “Then Advaniji was the home minister and asked Keshubhai Patel to rein me in. So then he started stopping us from working and even arrested my people.” But Modi was already waiting in the wings, and sharpening his knives. Aseemanand said that Modi approached him at a senior RSS gathering in Ahmedabad, and told him, “I know what Keshubhai is doing to you. Swamiji there is no comparison to what you are doing. You are doing the real work. Now it has been decided that I will be the CM. Let me come and then I will do your work. Rest easy.” (Repeated attempts to contact Modi through his office went unanswered.)..

BTW was I asleep when the word Kshudra suddenly became a castiest cuss word ?
In all Telugu horror phillums the evil practitioner of black magic burying virgins alive in pits as sacrifice to wake up lady devils like Sakhini Dhakini et al is always referred to as doing "Kshudra puja" and is himself referred to as a Kshudra mantrik.

Telugu and Tamizh (along with the score or so major languages we have) are often different cup of tea to Hindi (Kshudra may even be of sanskritic origin who knows but it probably fell out of use in Hindi ?) , many people here use Hindi words just as non Hindi people use their own language words to describe indic concepts - svenkat ji is unnecessarily apologetic even when he did no wrong.

archan · Post by **archan** » 06 Feb 2014 21:20

svenkat wrote:क्षुद्रता -petty,mean

If you want to get into the technicalities, the word is छुद्रता. Understand the difference between छ and क्ष . Your Kshudra is closer to Shudra (शूद्र), rather than to Chhudra. Regardless, no point carrying out the OT stuff here. Back on topic.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 06 Feb 2014 21:23

Liloji,
thanks.
archan,
You are moderator.With all respect to you,you and RajeshA were displaying your ignorance on this minor issue.It is exacttly what I have typed in nagari.Like Kshama,Kshetra,etc.On my own,I deleted that word.I am sorry BRFites.I dont want to sound casteist.I am not one.Theres no place for old prejudices.Otherwise,why are we obsessed with this forum

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 06 Feb 2014 21:27

Venkat was trying to be Sanskritik. Stick to khudra to avoid confusion.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 06 Feb 2014 21:27

Hindusthan Times Tv poll giving 30 seats to BJP in UP with 27% votes. It give 48% approval of Modi in UP. Surprisingly It predicts SP winning 20 seats.

Spoken with a top money bag in Mumbai today - Modi can not be cought in any 2002 allegations. He is simply too inteligent and careful. He is also one who will never forget or forgive who harmed him or tries to hard him. He will retaliates very hard. He knows how to package and sell a thing very well. He never speaks with prepare text in public meetings. It was surprising that he was doing now. People like Vanjara etc are blackmailing cops who extort money etc. They worth 100s of Cr of rupees. Modi will do development work in Delhi and ensure Mafia is taken care of without anyone knowing what hit them. No forgiving no forgetting.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 06 Feb 2014 21:41

archan wrote:
svenkat wrote:क्षुद्रता -petty,mean
If you want to get into the technicalities, the word is छुद्रता. Understand the difference between छ and क्ष . Your Kshudra is closer to Shudra (शूद्र), rather than to Chhudra. Regardless, no point carrying out the OT stuff here. Back on topic.

it is kshudra - petty..

क्षुद्र

there is no word "chhudra" (छुद्र) in sanskrit which means pettyness OR varna/jati status. The word "Chhudra" (छुद्र) vaguely means retaliation..

unless this is some chankian IED, I am surprised..

even the word "शुद्र" meaningless because of the smaller उ accent under श. for shudra to make sense, it has to be "शूद्र" with longer ऊ accent under श.

svenkat wrote:I am sorry BRFites.I dont want to sound casteist. I am not one. Theres no place for old prejudices.Otherwise,why are we obsessed with this forum

there is nothing to be sorry about as far as the word is concerned. विनाशकाले नीच क्षुद्र बुद्धी: - is grammatically correct statement and has nothing to do with varna OR jaati.

Supratik wrote:Venkat was trying to be Sanskritik. Stick to khudra to avoid confusion.

There is no word called khudra in sanskrit OR prakrit languages - even in Bangla (derived from ardhamaagadhi parent) which has tendency to pronounce क्ष as ख does not pronounce क्षुद्र as खुद्र . it will be "खुद्दो" just like लक्ष्मी becomes लोख्खी in Bangla.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 06 Feb 2014 21:44

Narayana Rao wrote:He never speaks with prepare text in public meetings. It was surprising that he was doing now.

Yes noticed these points. IMO it is two sides of the same coin. Earlier he came well prepared and so did not use texts. Today he probably still does not feel like coming unprepared but is short on time hence the reliance on texts.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 06 Feb 2014 21:48

archan wrote:
svenkat wrote:क्षुद्रता -petty,mean
If you want to get into the technicalities, the word is छुद्रता. Understand the difference between छ and क्ष . Your Kshudra is closer to Shudra (शूद्र), rather than to Chhudra. Regardless, no point carrying out the OT stuff here. Back on topic.

Kshudhra:

क्षुद्र = cruel, small, trifling, wicked, poor, tiny, avaricious, mean-hearted, mean, petty

Link

Shoodhraa, शूद्रा = Fourth Varna.

So, Kshudhra, क्षुद्र is not same as Shoodhraa, शूद्रा.

RajeshA wrote:Visa on arrival is okay for countries,

1) where either we do have a civilizational stake - Nepal, Bhutan, Tibet, Myanmar, Sri Lanka, or
2) where the per capita income is substantially higher than in India*
3) once all those entering India give it in writing that they would not indulge in any ideologically motivated religious or political activities harmful to India, which can include consorting with religious institutions and individuals, media, NGOs, political players.

In case of violation of 3, the foreigner can be put in a dungeon till his teeth fall off due to old age!

* Also there should be no visa-on-arrival
- for any "powers" like USA (and its minions like UK, Australia, Canada), China, Russia, France with active intel-gathering infrastructure
- for any countries which act as hubs of ideological activism (Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Pakistan, Vatican),
- for any neighboring countries with which we have a history of antagonism (Pakistan, China, Bangladesh)

RajeshA saar,
I think Visa on arrival is simply not suitable for Dhesh. Rahul Mehta saar, is right. There is no mechanism to monitor these entrants and their activities. Even if the usual suspects are not given this facility, they can outsource their activities to other nationalities(it also gives them plausible deniability). So, its better to avoid such fancy things that are unsuitable for dhesh.

Even if there is a huge monitoring mechanism similar to Amirkhan, whats the guarantuee that this monitoring mechanism or its info will not be compromised? There are already serious doubts raised on Aadhaar. So, better to avoid that route completely.

There are many other things that can be done to encourage the business/entreprenuership/investments without compromising security. (The first thing to be done is to cut the redtape and babugiri. Make it easier and faster for people to get approvals when they have all the required qualifications. To do that, one can automate the processes as much as possible so that human intervention is reduced).

At best, transit visa/pass can be extended to encourage airlines/people to travel via dhesh. Even here, care needs to be taken to plug the loopholes that maybe present.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 06 Feb 2014 21:52

Narayana Rao wrote:Hindusthan Times Tv poll giving 30 seats to BJP in UP with 27% votes. It give 48% approval of Modi in UP. Surprisingly It predicts SP winning 20 seats.

Spoken with a top money bag in Mumbai today - Modi can not be cought in any 2002 allegations. He is simply too inteligent and careful. He is also one who will never forget or forgive who harmed him or tries to hard him. He will retaliates very hard. He knows how to package and sell a thing very well. He never speaks with prepare text in public meetings. It was surprising that he was doing now. People like Vanjara etc are blackmailing cops who extort money etc. They worth 100s of Cr of rupees. Modi will do development work in Delhi and ensure Mafia is taken care of without anyone knowing what hit them. No forgiving no forgetting.

It is basically the same poll they did last month. Just recycling it.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 06 Feb 2014 21:52

svenkat ji,

sorry for my misunderstanding "क्षुद्र" = "शूद्रा".

archan · Post by **archan** » 06 Feb 2014 21:55

Atri,
Thanks, and pranaam.
Being a native Hindi speaker, Sanskrit, err Samskrit does not come to mind. I can see why it does to you and svenkat. The word for petty in Hindi is indeed chhudra and not kshudra.
Needless digression from the thread, anyway. Whatever svenkat meant, was confusing enough to more than one person.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 06 Feb 2014 21:56

rajesh ji,

शूद्रा - feminine of शुद्र.. as in क्षत्रिय-क्षत्राणी..

शुद्र is a noun. क्षुद्र is an adjective.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 06 Feb 2014 21:56

Atri wrote:
there is nothing to be sorry about as far as the word is concerned. विनाशकाले नीच क्षुद्र बुद्धी: - is grammatically correct statement and has nothing to do with varna OR jaati.

.

Yes but original saying in Sanskrit is "Vinasha kale vipareeta buddhi" not विनाशकाले क्षुद्र बुद्धी.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 06 Feb 2014 22:01

Thanks Atri garu!

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 06 Feb 2014 22:07

archan wrote:Atri,
Thanks, and pranaam.
Being a native Hindi speaker, Sanskrit, err Samskrit does not come to mind. I can see why it does to you and svenkat. The word for petty in Hindi is indeed chhudra and not kshudra.
Needless digression from the thread, anyway. Whatever svenkat meant, was confusing enough to more than one person.

I think its 'Sanskruth', not Sanskrit or Samskrit.

I don't think there is any word 'Chhudra' even in Hindhi. I had my schooling in Hindhi and never came across such a word, or if I did, I don't remember. I think there is a word 'Chidhra' which means 'hole'.

Anyway, what is there is Hindhi that is not already there is Sanskruth? Hindhi is just like a watered down version of Sanskruth...but thats true about most of the Bhaarathiya languages.

Atri wrote:
Supratik wrote:Venkat was trying to be Sanskritik. Stick to khudra to avoid confusion.
There is no word called khudra in sanskrit OR prakrit languages - even in Bangla (derived from ardhamaagadhi parent) which has tendency to pronounce क्ष as ख does not pronounce क्षुद्र as खुद्र . it will be "खुद्दो" just like लक्ष्मी becomes लोख्खी in Bangla.

WoW. If this is true, then that explains where the word 'Lucky' came from.

So, its लक्ष्मी -> लोख्खी -> Lucky. (I think this should go into OIT thread).

muraliravi wrote: It is basically the same poll they did last month. Just recycling it.

Saar,
if the radiamedia's news is untrustworthy, why why are the polls trustworthy? At best, they give trends. Maybe, they do these polls properly and know whats coming. But, what they publish is not reliable. Not just about this poll, but all such polls in general.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 06 Feb 2014 22:10

johneeG wrote:I think its 'Sanskruth', not Sanskrit or Samskrit.

well at the risk of proving kapildave ji's stereotype of me correct again, technically to write संस्कृतं in roman script it would be "samskRtam"

There is no way to write ऋ in roman script. its more likes Rrr..

gandharva wrote:
Atri wrote:
there is nothing to be sorry about as far as the word is concerned. विनाशकाले नीच क्षुद्र बुद्धी: - is grammatically correct statement and has nothing to do with varna OR jaati.

.
Yes but original saying in Sanskrit is "Vinasha kale vipareeta buddhi" not विनाशकाले क्षुद्र बुद्धी.

indeed.. and svenkat ji improvised it.. विनाशकाले विपरीत बुद्धी is part of a verse from Ramayana. This fragment of verse is popular and was improvised upon by svenkat following rules of vyaakarana. now it may not fit in the अनुष्टुप छंद (anushtup meter) which was invented by Valmiki and in which bulk of Ramayana and MBH is composed, hence it may sound hideous when spoken in line with rest of rhyming verse, but it had nothing to do with meaning which was misconstrued here. at the most, svenkat ji is guilty of destroying the beauty of anushtupa chhanda (which I hardly think was his motive).

Atri,
Thanks, and pranaam.
Being a native Hindi speaker, Sanskrit, err Samskrit does not come to mind. I can see why it does to you and svenkat. The word for petty in Hindi is indeed chhudra and not kshudra.
Needless digression from the thread, anyway. Whatever svenkat meant, was confusing enough to more than one person.

Archan ji, was just correcting, nothing else.

Even in Awadhi in which goswami tulsidas composed ramcharitmaanas, the controversial verse - ढोर गंवार शूद्र पशु नारी, सकल हैं ताडन के अधिकारी - it is shudra, not chhudra.. never heard oR read chhudra in any awadhi literature (at least, have not read maithili, bhojpuri and magahi) to mean as shudra.

the prakrit languages tend to simplify joint-consonents (like क्ष, ज्ञ etc) and palatal consonants like ष (शिष्य becoming शीख/सिख).. the normal consonants like य र ल, व श, स are not altered a lot.

anyways, I am done on this topic..

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 06 Feb 2014 22:12

Attempt to bypass North Indian UP/Bihar based Sufi-Mullah cartel?

Narendra Modi to inaugurate Muslims business expo/conclave in Ahmedabad

http://deshgujarat.com/2014/02/06/naren ... ahmedabad/

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 06 Feb 2014 22:17

hain ji? In Modi thread?

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 06 Feb 2014 22:20

Visa on arrival is one of the best things that can help realise India's potential for tourism. Even tiny countries like Malaysia, Thailand, Egypt get 10 times the tourists that India gets. India with it's massive size and crazy amount of attractions isn't even in top 10.

Getting a tourist visa to India is among the toughest. If steps are being taken to ease the process, it's highly welcome.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 06 Feb 2014 22:22

Well, not to get this late into the discussion on Language.

क्षुद्रता -petty,mean

is correct in the sense that it is adverb. qualifies the action (verb).

Rest I agree with Atri garu.

SRoy · Post by **SRoy** » 06 Feb 2014 22:33

Gents there is separate thread for Sanskrit language discussions...spare the poor abduls with limited bandwidth connections

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 06 Feb 2014 22:52

Can anyone spell out exact statement NaMo made on Bangladeshi mess? he mentioned it. But what did he say he would do about it?

SRoy · Post by **SRoy** » 06 Feb 2014 22:59

RMji,

Be practical. Do you know what is rough count of BD's in India? Can any govt. deport them without bloodshed?
No point in making false promises.
Leave aside NaMo, even if Bajrang Dal is made to run govt. they will not be able to do anything.
This is a off topic comment, but its high time nationalists think of practical measures instead of usual deportation ideas.

disha · Post by **disha** » 06 Feb 2014 23:07

archan wrote:Atri,
Thanks, and pranaam.
Being a native Hindi speaker, Sanskrit, err Samskrit does not come to mind. I can see why it does to you and svenkat. The word for petty in Hindi is indeed chhudra and not kshudra.
Needless digression from the thread, anyway. Whatever svenkat meant, was confusing enough to more than one person.

No saar., it was not confusing to several other and no there is no "chudra" in Hindi - it is a corruption from Kshudra -> shudra -> chudra.

Kshudrabuddhi -> Petty minded
Vinashkale Kshudrabuddhi., is a very apt statement.

And the reason I bring it in this thread is simple., we have been conditioned to think that the moment somebody says "kshudra" - that person is casteist. Even if I say that some "chinese and baki products are of kshudra quality" - I will be termed casteist!!! This is the sum-total of CongI rule - that we ourselves have become casteist (just like when PVNR said the word "bhangi" and every ramu-peter-&-abdul dumped on him) without realizing we have become casteist.

sudarshan · Post by **sudarshan** » 06 Feb 2014 23:13

BG chapter 2, verse 3 - Sri Krishna says:

Kshudram hridaya daurbalyam, tyaktvottishta parantapa

And no, Krishna wasn't being casteist there. It simply means "demeaning" as in "petty/demeaning weakness of heart."

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 06 Feb 2014 23:23

SRoy wrote:RMji,

Be practical. Do you know what is rough count of BD's in India? Can any govt. deport them without bloodshed?
No point in making false promises.
Leave aside NaMo, even if Bajrang Dal is made to run govt. they will not be able to do anything.
This is a off topic comment, but its high time nationalists think of practical measures instead of usual deportation ideas.

We all agree on that. But the issue is, BJP needs to present a clear vision on how they intend to fence the border and enforce immigration control on the border so that we dont get any more illegals creeping in.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 06 Feb 2014 23:25

Rahul Mehta wrote:Can anyone spell out exact statement NaMo made on Bangladeshi mess? he mentioned it. But what did he say he would do about it?

well he said, "Bengal and Assam are infested with bangladeshis, Jobs in India are for Indian citizens and the govt here is giving away your opportunities to b'deshis".

SRoy · Post by **SRoy** » 06 Feb 2014 23:50

muraliravi wrote:
SRoy wrote:RMji,

Be practical. Do you know what is rough count of BD's in India? Can any govt. deport them without bloodshed?
No point in making false promises.
Leave aside NaMo, even if Bajrang Dal is made to run govt. they will not be able to do anything.
This is a off topic comment, but its high time nationalists think of practical measures instead of usual deportation ideas.
We all agree on that. But the issue is, BJP needs to present a clear vision on how they intend to fence the border and enforce immigration control on the border so that we dont get any more illegals creeping in.

BJP may promise and can seal off the borders with a year. But after that?
Some random points, in no particular order:
1. BD Hindus will not able to flee when chased by Islamists.
2. Poor border management - BD's whom I've talked to describe how easy (and how cheap) is it to bribe the BSF. Can BJP cure this?
3. Some densely populated areas still have home and fields on either side (not talking of the enclaves on either side). This has to be settled first.
4. BD Hindus will adopt - not the BD Muslims, we don't know the number distribution. Well meaning security experts treat the illegals as one homogeneous block without giving a thought to the different demographic challenges they pose, economic vs security.
5. Even after sealing off how to deal with BD Muslims?

Maybe selective deporting of Mullahs, gangster, and other undesirables among BD illegals will do the trick.

No use making this a poll issue. Has to be done quietly and firmly after coming to power.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 07 Feb 2014 00:19

SRoy wrote:but its high time nationalists think of practical measures instead of usual deportation ideas.

The terms of partition were quite clear. Pakistan was created based on TNT and all Muslims who stayed in Pakistan after a cut-off date have no right over Indian citizenship. That extends to Bangladesh.

Here is a plan:

Seal the borders tight.
Give all illegal Bangladeshis in India a chance to get a work permit for India for next 10 years with multi-entry stay permit. Condition is that they would have to provide their Bangladeshi papers within the next year and approach the authorities. His bio-metrics would be recorded.
After one year, whoever has not received his stay permit, would be legible for deportation. All forms of violence can be used in case of resistance. They will be put on a ship and chucked over into a boat just at Bangladesh's international maritime boundary.
Any Bangladeshi found on the voter's list, would be thrown into jail in inhuman conditions and then deported.
Those Bangladeshis who want to stay in India would chose the legal way and not support the Ghazis!
Any Hindu Bangladeshi can apply for asylum in India.
They would be granted temporary stay and work permit, and their identification as Hindus would be outsourced to other orgs like Bajrang Dal for checking. Over the course of 5 years, Bajrang Dal would have to give assurance certificates every four months of "Hindu identity".
After 5 years, those proven as Hindus can get permanent stay and work permits.
Either the Bangladeshi Muslims would regularize their stay permits or they would chose to do Shuddhi!

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 07 Feb 2014 00:25

^^^ SRoy Sir, Well, we all know what they did on this issue from 98-04. Results are there to see (i mean nothing to see). Neither was fencing done, neither did they do deportations, except some here and there. So i see nothing wrong if bjp supporters press them to give a clear draft on how and by what timeline they plan to solve this issue ( even if it is just the fencing aspect).

Regarding bd hindus, people fleeing from persecution can apply formally, we cant leave our borders open so that they can flee and enter india without any papers.

And dont forget, it is not as if bjp does not make it a poll issue, it does make it an issue in assam where it suits them. Problem is, they only remember this before election. Bjp ruled center for 6 years, ruled states like jharkhand ( which also has illegal bd's). Everytime before elections they talk about this issue where it suits them. I am sure namo will talk about this in assam rally. Question is will bjp publish a white paper on why they did zilch on border fencing from 98-04, can they give us stats as to how many bd's were deported when they were in center or from jharkhand when marandi ( when he was with bjp) or arjun munda were ruling cm's.

Bjp supporters have all right to ask them this question. Just saying that assam is ravaged by bd's is of no use, make a poll promise on at least the fencing aspect if not deportations. And i am talking of modern high rise fences with bridge fences for riverine borders, not some useless washoff fence.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 07 Feb 2014 00:28

RajeshA wrote:
SRoy wrote:but its high time nationalists think of practical measures instead of usual deportation ideas.
The terms of partition were quite clear. Pakistan was created based on TNT and all Muslims who stayed in Pakistan after a cut-off date have no right over Indian citizenship. That extends to Bangladesh.

Here is a plan:

Seal the borders tight.

Give all illegal Bangladeshis in India a chance to get a work permit for India for next 10 years with multi-entry stay permit. Condition is that they would have to provide their Bangladeshi papers within the next year and approach the authorities. His bio-metrics would be recorded.

After one year, whoever has not received his stay permit, would be legible for deportation. All forms of violence can be used in case of resistance. They will be put on a ship and chucked over into a boat just at Bangladesh's international maritime boundary.

Any Bangladeshi found on the voter's list, would be thrown into jail in inhuman conditions and then deported.

Those Bangladeshis who want to stay in India would chose the legal way and not support the Ghazis!

Any Hindu Bangladeshi can apply for asylum in India.

They would be granted temporary stay and work permit, and their identification as Hindus would be outsourced to other orgs like Bajrang Dal for checking. Over the course of 5 years, Bajrang Dal would have to give assurance certificates every four months of "Hindu identity".

After 5 years, those proven as Hindus can get permanent stay and work permits.

Either the Bangladeshi Muslims would regularize their stay permits or they would chose to do Shuddhi!

Add an extra condition, bangladeshi muslims cannot marry indian citizens to obtain citizenship. Even the 10 year permit is too much, They can be given 2 year one time permit and after that they should relocate to b'desh. Indian has enough labor, we dont need them.

SagarAg · Post by **SagarAg** » 07 Feb 2014 00:41

Hari Seldon wrote:BSP is our only challenge in UP: Amit Shah

Must read interview of that behind the scenes mastermind from ground zero in UP in the hindustan times.

He is definitely doing some good groundwork in UP. NaMo challenge in UP is BSP. Right now there is wave in favor of BSP. Since it was in power before SP govt, people in UP are forced to compare how good the governance Maya Behen was providing to the state compared to the goonda raj of SP govt.
I don't know how but Narendra Modi ji definitely need to convince/convey to the people of U.P that this is a National election not a state one. Maybe do a similar speech like he did in Kolkata about Mamta Didi in Kolkata and Modi at Center. Similarly Maya Behan in UP and Modi in Center for development. This time vote for Modi Bhai and next time in state election vote for Maya Behen. Bhai-Behen together will provide development and good governance to the people of UP.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 07 Feb 2014 00:55

muraliravi wrote:Add an extra condition, bangladeshi muslims cannot marry indian citizens to obtain citizenship. Even the 10 year permit is too much, They can be given 2 year one time permit and after that they should relocate to b'desh. Indian has enough labor, we dont need them.

Even now, a Pakistani or a Bangladeshi man cannot marry an Indian woman and receive residency permit or citizenship for India.

If we offer less than 10 years, then there is not enough incentive for a Bangladeshi to regularize his stay. We would need them to buy in into the program. What's on offer is a hassle-free stay and work, but only for 10 years. Alternative is fear of deportation even if a slight chance to stay longer.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 07 Feb 2014 00:59

RajeshA wrote:
muraliravi wrote:Add an extra condition, bangladeshi muslims cannot marry indian citizens to obtain citizenship. Even the 10 year permit is too much, They can be given 2 year one time permit and after that they should relocate to b'desh. Indian has enough labor, we dont need them.
Even now, a Pakistani or a Bangladeshi man cannot marry an Indian woman and receive residency permit or citizenship for India.

If we offer less than 10 years, then there is not enough incentive for a Bangladeshi to regularize his stay. We would need them to buy in into the program. What's on offer is a hassle-free stay and work, but only for 10 years. Alternative is fear of deportation even if a slight chance to stay longer.

True, agreed

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 07 Feb 2014 02:01

Hari Seldon wrote:Look at the iconography on the stage at which namo will speak in kolkata's brigade ground.... Bengal's rich history and contribution well represented....

Hari: I got the following:

Top row:
Aurobindo or Tagore?, ?, Vivekananda, Bose, ?
Bottom Row: Modi, and Rajnath Singh.

Who are the question marks?

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 07 Feb 2014 02:10

Right hand is Shri Shayama Prasad Mukherjee, founder of Jan Sangh

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 07 Feb 2014 02:11

Qazi Nasrul Islam and Syama Prasad Mukherjee

disha · Post by **disha** » 07 Feb 2014 03:38

^^ And both of them were good friends and Nehru-Indira dynasty gave both of them a raw treatment. Particularly Dr. S P Mukherjee.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 07 Feb 2014 03:52

So the first is Tagore, right? Not Aurobindo.