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Initially posted on Nukkad about this. Only to discover that one and only PB, the federal prosecutor on south NY district was behind this one as well. Hence the relevance to this thread.

Bharara has scored again, on another desi (this time an ABCD and quite a shining character based on his semi successful attempts at getting into Harvard by hook or by crook):

Ex-SAC Capital manager Mathew Martoma convicted of insider trading
A Manhattan jury has found former SAC Capital manager Mathew Martoma guilty of using illegal tips to earn his employer $276m in a scheme prosecutors alleged was one of the largest ever insider-trading scams.

The 39-year-old Martoma was convicted Thursday of orchestrating illegal trades in two pharmaceutical companies that helped SAC, the troubled hedge fund controlled by billionaire Steven Cohen. The conviction comes amid a multi-year investigation of Cohen’s firm.

It is also another victory for Preet Bharara, the US attorney for the southern district of New York, whose office has now secured 79 convictions or guilty pleas in its recent insider-trading crackdown.
PB: 79, Brown man:0. PB for president!!!!

Bliss to note that his bosses in SAC (and SAC itself) benefited hugely from his trades, yet they are not liable for what happened and have most likely usurped the profits. Something tells me that Martoma did not have enough network strength to make someone else the scapegoat here and ended up being sacrificed by the rich-white-old-boy network. Its an easy sacrifice to make, since Martoma is literally a silo with no deep contacts within that network.
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@Lokesh C

Re Martoma.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanvardi ... y-verdict/

This Forbes piece suggests that Martoma was just a patsy on the way for Bharara, who is "trying" to get SAC chief Steve Cohen.

For the details about Cohen and the whole story, see www.deepcapture.com

I think the Forbes' suggestion is either dense or disinformation.

PB hasn't been trying to get Cohen, in my opinion.
The prosecutor who was trying to get Cohen was B. J. Kang.

It seems the traders in these high-profile cases faint because they really don’t believe they have done anything illegal, but the juries clearly see it otherwise. How else to explain the behavior of the accused? For many months, securities lawyers and financial journalists were baffled and wondered about what in the world Martoma could be thinking in taking on Preet Bharara, the U.S. Attorney in Manhattan, and his team? As a trader, he should have easily recognized the nearly suicidal odds.

"Bharara’s office had been perfect in insider-trading cases. The score before Martoma’s verdict was 78 to 0. Bharara was 11 for 11 in insider-trading trials. You don’t have to know the intricacies of securities law to see the problem. For Bharara, Martoma’s case had the added benefit of pitting the young trader who made $9 million in bonuses against Sidney Gilman, the 81-year-old doctor who testified in the trial and fully cooperated with the government in the case. It’s clear who the jury believed.

Will Martoma be willing to cooperate with Bharara now and what kind of deal could he get? It seems like Martoma might have had the most leverage before his trial—if not well before his indictment on that day he fainted on his lawn. Federal prosecutors in Manhattan are clearly desperate to make a case against Cohen. During the trial, Gilman testified that a federal agent told him that he and Martoma were only grains of sand and that the feds were “really after a man named Steven A. Cohen.” Cohen’s SAC Capital hedge fund firm pleaded guilty to criminal charges related to insider-trading last year and agreed to pay the feds $1.2 billion. He is out of the hedge fund business and moved away from managing outside capital. The feds have successfully prosecuted eight former SAC Capital employees. But much of the trading the federal government has investigated at SAC Capital is nearing statute of limitations deadlines. It’s very possible that Martoma is going to pay a steep price for battling the feds."
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So, what is the Richards connection to that leaked phone convo?
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The most strategic thing for India-US relations is to keep the US as far away from anything strategic.
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TSJones wrote:
I said it was just bidness. Show us some spine. Kick some teacher's butts! Put the fear of Allah into us.
Oh, you mean THE major non NATO all-lie of the USA? That country is also in 'South Asia', just a bit to the west. Indians can only put the fear of the holy cow.

Never mind, geography has never been the strong suite of most WASP American kids! After the Spelling Bee, the Geography Bee also seems to be going brown.
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/geobee/ Interesting photo of First Place 'Team USA'
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Well TSJones, I must say these bloody Indians have surprised me as well with their sophistication. I had my doubts about their level of insight. It is not that they are naive of the ways of America, but they chose to seek friendship and strategic understanding. Recent events have made them question the possibility, wisdom and basic utility of the same.

In twenty years, the world will be a very different place: I suggest the US try to get in on the ground floor before Indians decide they don't need you after all. I certainly think there are only two societies that will be relevant to a future world-the Anglo-American and the Indian. The rest are destined for the dustbin of history.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv7qy7jot30

Sorry if posted earlier; this is how deep the fingers go-- cavities are oh so superficial. So, don't be surprised at all if someone is moving levers entirely on DK, SR and all that...
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What we've been saying for decades.The number of nations and leaders betrayed by the US since WW2 is legion.Just ask Zia,Saddam,Gadhaffi,and now Karzai to name just a few.With the US unable to even send in a most miniscule strike against Syria,shocking its Saudi and Gulfie allies,its credibility has collapsed totally.It bow wants to engineer an anti-China "alliance" of the willing in the Indo-Asia-Pacific region while it has the least intention of challenging the PRC militarily.
America an Unreliable Partner
Posted on January 24, 2014 by Bharat Karnad

If there’s one attribute about the United States that makes partnering it risky, it is its unreliability. Washington initiates conflict as suits its momentary interest without caring about the possible ramifications for the countries, including allies, in the vicinity and effect on the prevailing order, which may not be to its liking but manifests stability. It is unscrupulous about the means it uses and, when the situation gets hot and body bags and fatigue take their toll, it thinks nothing about precipitously departing the scene leaving its regional partners holding the can. The absence of grit, stamina, and the will to absorb losses and to stay the course, is America’s major strategic failing that countries expecting the US to bail them out in strategic crises need to ponder.

Consider the recent record. The US intervened controversially in Iraq in 2001 to remove Saddam Hussein leading to a revival of the old Shia-Sunni schism, endless sectarian violence and consolidation of Islamist militancy in the beleaguered country. Thirteen years on, Washington decided to decamp with the “democracy” it has installed in Baghdad showing few signs of enduring. So infirm is its commitment that a few weeks ago it turned down prime minister Nouri al-Maliki’s plea for help militarily to oust the militant Sunni group with known connections to the Al-Qaeda occupying the cities of Fallujah and Ramadi in the Anbar province.

Elsewhere, after a decade of hard fighting in Afghanistan the Americans, longtime experts in “cut and run” tactics, are allowing a condominium of Afghan and Pakistani Taliban—the latter headed by the enigmatic Mullah Fazlullah operating out of the North Waziristan mountains—to displace in slow stages the legally elected government in Kabul and, simultaneously, to create sustained turmoil and dissension inside Pakistan in a bid to take over an already fragile nuclear armed state—everyone’s worst nightmare. Of course, Washington originally seeded this problem which is turning out to be catastrophic for South Asia. It exploited religion to rile the Afghans into fighting the Soviet Union-supported communist regime in Kabul, armed and motivated the Afghan mujahideen who, post-Russian withdrawal, in their new avatar as the Taliban spawned extremist outfits drawing disgruntled Muslims from everywhere, especially Central Asia and as far away as Chechnya. They are creating havoc in Pakistan and Indian Kashmir, and spurring Sunni radicalism in the Islamic crescent from the Maghreb to Indonesia.

India was recently reminded that its concerns about terrorism emanating from Pakistan, for example, count for little in the American scheme of things. In the Consolidated Appropriations Bill 2014 approved by the US legislature the conditions attached to Pakistan getting the annual multi-billion dollar grant-in-aid broadly requires that Islamabad only ensure that the Afghan Taliban under its control do not harass the retreating US and NATO forces in Afghanistan, and that the Pakistan Army don’t usurp power. Moreover, while Washington is anxious that any terrorist threat to America incubating in the proliferating Saudi-funded madrassas within Pakistan be nipped in the bud, it doesn’t much care and is unwilling to throttle the menace before it assumes demonic proportions by pressing Riyadh to halt financial flows to them and by prompting the Islamabad Establishment and Pakistan Army to sever their patronage ties to 65 “Taliban groups” and lashkars active in that country.

Tokyo was likewise presented with more evidence by Washington that while Japan is central to its “rebalancing” in Asia in America’s direct rivalry with China, it would rather sit out any military clash Japan may have with China over the disputed Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands. It seems to have even bought Beijing’s line that visits by the Japanese prime minister Shinzo Abe to the Yasukuni Shrine, revered by the Japanese people as the repository of the souls of the dead in past military campaigns, was avoidable provocation. In the event, Tokyo finally appears determined to look out for itself, and is amending its “peace Constitution” to legitimate “collective self-defence”.

It is the wayward and “unreliable America” then that contextualises the discussion between Abe, who’ll be the chief guest at the Republic Day celebrations, and his retiring Indian counterpart, Manmohan Singh, about how best and quickly to operationalise comprehensive military cooperation between the two nations. Collective self-defence is precisely what Singh should fruitfully discuss in detail with Abe and the Indian armed services and the Japanese Self Defence Force ought to begin implementing in earnest. It is preferable to New Delhi and Tokyo, ever mindful of Beijing’s sensitivities, holding back on joint Indo-Japanese military activity to cramp China’s strategic and maritime options in Asia.

India has a more immediate issue at hand vis-a-vis the US. Under pressure from the Manmohan Singh government, the ministry of external affairs is compromising on the strict reciprocity predicate ordinarily dictating equitable interstate relations. Indian ambassador S Jaishankar is concocting a deal with US deputy secretary of state William Burns whereby not only is there no hint of an US apology for the Devyani Khobragade incident, but in exchange for Khobragade and two previous Indian consul-generals in New York who had servant trouble being able to enter America freely in the future without fear of prosecution, the status quo ante favouring the US diplomats stationed in India is restored. They will once again enjoy immunities and privileges—unhindered access and exemption from body searches at airports, income tax-free status for family members working illegally, leniency in import of victuals, etc.—unavailable on a reciprocal basis to Indian diplomats posted in America. This is unacceptable.

New Delhi has buckled under the threat of prosecution of Indian diplomats and accepted the US minimum wage standard. The principle of sanctity of Indian embassies/consulates as sovereign territory and carryings-on within them as sovereign matter has thus been breached, mocking the foundational principle of sound bilateral ties. It will confirm the US view of India as a bully-able country. This will only weaken the frame of the strategic partnership the US is keen to forge with India, and doesn’t bode well for the “rebalancing” in Asia both countries are engaged in.

[Published 24th January 2014 in New Indian Express at http://www.newindianexpress.com/opinion ... 016305.ece
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UlanBatori wrote:So does the bail money get forfeited or returned? Why it is required for the defendant to be present for the case?
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(FWIW - If it is helpful please read .. Others may ignore it)
DK's bail (Personal Recognizance Bond) - no money was put up DK and two others had to sign -promising to pay $250,000 if she defaulted -

Since the USG did not oppose DK's bond release motion, DK and the two sureties are no longer held to the promise to pay $250,000.

Here's the document for those who want to see it:
12/12/2013 5 PRB APPEARANCE Bond Entered as to Devyani Khobragade in amount of $250,000. Co-signed by 3 financially responsible persons. Travel restricted to 50 United States (w/advance notice to PTS); no travel outside U.S. Surrender travel documents (& no new applications). Regular pretrial supervision. Other conditions: Deft may not sponsor any visa applications for other persons; no contact (or directing anyone else to have contact) with the person identified in the complaint as witness-1 or witness-1's immediate family's. Deft to inform PTS of any changes in her employment. Deft to be released upon satisfaction of following conditions: Deft's signature & 2 cosigners; remaining conditions to be met by 12/13/13...Entered: 12/13/2013)
As to trial going without defendant -

This is a criminal case, it can not go on without DK's presence. So even if the case is not dismissed, for all practical purpose as far as the real case is concerned - it has no teeth (other than DK's can't come to US that easily).

OTOH even if the case is dismissed, I think, PB (or someone else), if he really want to be mean, can file a new indictment if DK returns. (So it is important to get everything sorted out by the US India governments).
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http://rt.com/news/pharma-generic-drugs-india-945/

Big Pharma presses US to quash cheap drug production in India
Powerful global pharmaceutical firms are leaning on the United States government to discourage India from allowing the production and sale of affordable generic drugs still on-patent, according to inside sources close to the matter.

According to two senior officials, an Indian government committee is reviewing patented drugs from foreign companies for opportunities to spin certain medications into low-cost, generic versions. The drugs up for analysis are used to treat cancer, diabetes, hepatitis, and HIV, the sources told Reuters. They would not expand on the review process or on the timeline for any decisions on granting what are known as compulsory licenses.

Like other emerging economies such as China and South Africa, a rapidly growing population in India poses challenges to its government in keeping healthcare costs down while increasing access to life-saving drugs.

And wherever there are “emerging markets” - coupled with declining sales of patented drugs in Western markets - there are multinational conglomerates seeking profit inroads. Western-based pharmaceutical companies like Pfizer Inc., Novartis AG, and others are reportedly frustrated by India’s efforts to increase access to these vital drug treatments in a country where only 15 percent of the nation’s 1.2 billion people have health insurance.

Thus, led by the industry trade group Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA), these companies are pressing for a stronger reaction from the US government, with which they already have substantial clout.

India, for instance, is already on the US government’s Priority Watch List - nations that are monitored closely given they do not always tow the line on intellectual property according to Washington’s standards. Countries in this classification include Argentina, China, Egypt, Pakistan, and Russia, among many others.

PhRMA believes the US should threaten to downgrade India to a Priority Foreign Country, which includes the “worst” nations that thwart intellectual property boundaries. Currently, only Ukraine is considered a member of this exclusive category.

"The multinational companies are exploring all options - from paring their investments in the country to forcing the US to take some actions," said a source in New Delhi, who, Reuters reported, “is directly involved in the situation.”

"Companies feel something should be done at the earliest to check the violations of their intellectual property in the country. They want government-to-government pressure to change things," the source said.

A PhRMA representative declined to comment to Reuters.

"PhRMA makes submissions to the US government every year on trade issues but this year they really want to ratchet up the pressure on India," said a drug company executive.

Reuters says PhRMA plans to submit to the US government by the Friday filing deadline a list of concerns about countries they believe could be a part of the Special 301 Report, an annual message from the Office of the United States Trade Representative.

Despite the clout it possesses in the US and globally, the drugmakers need to tread lightly when attempting to influence policy toward a country like India, where a large percentage of the population lives in poverty, at least one company told Reuters.

"I don't believe there is any need for any kind of more assertive stance. This is a situation where constructive engagement is the way forward," GlaxoSmithKline Chief Executive Andrew Witty said.

Nevertheless, India’s drug market is expected to be worth US$22 to 32 million by 2017, making it the 11th largest in the world, according to IMS Health.

Some believe that if India relies too excessively on compulsory licenses for alternative drugs, it may mean that pharmaceutical companies will devote less research and development spending in the country.

AstraZeneca, for example, shut down its research and development operations in Bangalore last month, calling the move part of its global strategy.

"If the authorities are going haywire and looking to grant compulsory licences lock, stock and barrel, in that event you will lose the credibility in India as a system," Ameet Hariani, managing partner at Mumbai-based law firm Hariani & Co., told Reuters.

"You are going to see much more litigation on this issue. People are going to be unwilling to introduce new drugs in the market," he said. "You can't expect to get a new drug at a price of an aspirin."

In 2012, India awarded its first compulsory license to domestic company Natco Pharma Ltd.
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Very entertaining state dept briefing on the Russian tape leak:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW1WDbDX7wE
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chanakyaa wrote:http://rt.com/news/pharma-generic-drugs-india-945/

Big Pharma presses US to quash cheap drug production in India
Powerful global pharmaceutical firms are leaning on the United States government to discourage India from allowing the production and sale of affordable generic drugs still on-patent, according to inside sources close to the matter.
You should be really, really skeptical the Ranbaxy facilities in India have been banned for legitimate reasons. The same way prosecutors file trumped up charges, here the goal is to suffocate the Indian pharma industry.

Corruption is mostly crude in India. Still people delivering currency notes in suitcases and getting caught in camera. In the US, it is highly sophisticated. The US government officials, senators and congressmen are literally on the payroll of big pharma. Money is channeled in mysterious ways, but you can not catch the fraud.



http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-bullyin ... gs/5359221

US Bullying at TPP Negotiations for Big Pharma Profits. Intellectual Property Rights and the Sale of Generic Drugs

Margaret Flowers, MD a health policy expert from the US says

“The Office of the US Trade Representative is putting the interests of trans-national health corporations before the needs of people. If the US position is forced through, the TPP will extend patents for medications, medical devices and even procedures for exorbitant lengths of times. This will inflate prices, keeping treatments out of reach for those who need them. This will cause unnecessary suffering and death, especially for the most vulnerable populations, and will undermine health systems around the world and at home."
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The US is an unreliable partner because the US is a greedy partner whose national philosophy is "i want more than you. I want to stay ahead of you. I want to be happier than you"

This philosophy has been justified by generations of MUTU/MATA as "Oh but the US always works for its own interests"

Of course. But US interests are uniquely greedy, and any ostensible US attempts at claiming that they are reducing injustice and inequality somewhere is guided simply by what makes the US grab some more power or resources. And it's not even as if everyone in the US gets an equal share of the pie.

Any nation that fails to recognize these fundamental facts about the US is guaranteed to get screwed in the short to medium term. In the longer term the US model will fail, but the US can do a lot of damage before that happens - so its better to be careful.
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Madhusudhan wrote:Very entertaining state dept briefing on the Russian tape leak:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW1WDbDX7wE
This is great :rotfl:

Just matter of fact ly the "lady" says "**** die eu" and the guy goes on taking it in his stride. May be this is feminism :rotfl: Aren't guys supposed to be talking like this? :rotfl:

This is a good catch, the Russians must have been recording patiently many hours and released this good one.

So it looks like the attitude amongst US officials is "**** India" "**** EU" "**** Israel"...who is left not to be fcuked :rotfl:
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It looks like there is a huge Western/ US media campaign "weapons of mass deception" style to dismantle Ukraine govt.

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/column ... estions-0/

http://www.larouchepub.com/pr/2014/1402 ... sheet.html
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Nandu, I will make you make the connection to the Richard affair.
First find the names of the two US diplomats in the leaked tape caper.
Next google or use search function in BRF with those names and Richard!
And report back here.
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Interesting article in Opinio Juris:
Why the U.S. State Department Deserves an “F” on their Handling of the Indian Consul Flap

The author Julian Ku is - Professor of Law and Faculty Director of International Programs at Hofstra: (per webpage - "Professor Ku’s primary research interest is the relationship of international law to national law, both in the public and the private sphere)
It looks like the U.S. and India have worked out a sort-of deal to end the battle over visa-fraud charges brought against India’s deputy consul-general in New York Devyani Khobragade. Yesterday, a U.S. grand jury indicted Khobragade on the visa-fraud charges, and shortly thereafter, Khobragade was allowed to leave the U.S. for India. India is now retaliating by demanding the U.S. withdraw a U.S. diplomat from India.
From a purely legal perspective, this is a smart move by the U.S. since even if it had continued with the prosecution, Khobragade would be able to raise a variety of defenses based on her possible status as a diplomat accredited at India’s UN Mission at the time of her arrest, or at least her status at the Mission now. I think those defenses are decent (though hardly slam-dunk) and, if rejected, would further inflame India as well as create unwelcome precedents for US consuls and diplomats abroad.

Of course, from a diplomatic perspective, it seems clear to me that this prosecution should never have been brought, or at least there should never have been an “arrest” (much less the strip-search). Why couldn’t the U.S. have indicted her without arresting her, or even just demanded her withdrawal without indicting her? That is effectively what has happened anyway, except that we also get a crisis in US-India relations like we haven’t had in decades.

I’m putting the blame here almost completely on the U.S. State Department. They (supposedly) had notice that this arrest was going to happen, and they did not take steps to head off a pretty serious diplomatic incident. Dealing with foreign diplomats is at the heart of what they do. And they couldn’t have predicted what happened here? C’mon Secretary Kerry, hold someone responsible!
I’ve just finished my grades from last semester (yes I know, I’m late!). But I have no problem giving the U.S. State Department an “F” here
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Considering that Victoria Nuland, Asst Secy of State for EU affairs says "Fu*ck the EU" (admittedly in a private conversation) it gives an idea of how much attention the US actually pays to having trained, sensitive and informed diplomats. In a way that I never anticipated - the US is gradually Pakistaning itself and moving from an image of great competence and moral power to that of a bumbling drunk bull with a rod up its searchable cavity.
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Immediate apology for saying "f**c EU"

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2 ... u-comment/

No apology for actually f**cking a diplomat through custodial sexual assault. Shows the priorities of the Obama/Kerrorist state department.
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UB et al, Spot the Richards connection!!!!
Sorry, loooong day in Ulan Bator. And the assignment seems too tough, I will wait until Teacher posts solution and take my zero.
As for this **** EU comment, they have to use such words to convey Power. Must have heard the Nixon Oval Office Tapes as their education in politics, and read Tom Clancy to get their deep understanding of international affairs.
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Assuming it was read. I said something not very interesting.
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UlanBatori wrote:
UB et al, Spot the Richards connection!!!!
Sorry, loooong day in Ulan Bator. And the assignment seems too tough, I will wait until Teacher posts solution and take my zero.
As for this **** EU comment, they have to use such words to convey Power. Must have heard the Nixon Oval Office Tapes as their education in politics, and read Tom Clancy to get their deep understanding of international affairs.
Nuland was state department spokesperson on the matter for a bit. Not sure what to read into it.May have said more during Dayal times then now. Not much a civil servant can do when shoved in front of the mic. Others might have better insights.
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Vickie Nuland only used the "F" word,but DK was scandalously finger-f*cked with extreme prejudice with the blessings of the SD for which there has been no apology.I guess it all boils down to the colour of your skin.Indian with their 10 millenia+ civilisation are considered "turd world" by the yanqui barbarians whose civilisation (barring the native Amer-Indian) is scarcely a few hundred years old!
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Philip wrote:Vickie Nuland only used the "F" word,but DK was scandalously finger-f*cked with extreme prejudice with the blessings of the SD for which there has been no apology.I guess it all boils down to the colour of your skin.Indian with their 10 millenia+ civilisation are considered "turd world" by the yanqui barbarians whose civilisation (barring the native Amer-Indian) is scarcely a few hundred years old!
obvious explanations are the best! though one wonders even if kerry had said sorry, it would have changed anything. i suspect the sorry wasnt for the word in this case either, but for going separate ways and the nature of the conversation.
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Psaki said Nuland’s background of working on a Soviet fishing trawler in her early 20s meant she had a certain comfort level with expletives: “[S]he learned how to perfect, perhaps, certain words in a couple of languages. So perhaps it speaks to that more than a pervasive viewpoint.”
The reason I don't clean my backside is because I have a certain comfort level with a soiled backside. I learned how to stay soiled when I worked for a couple of years in my 20s in a place where paper and water were scarce. So my soiled backside perhaps speaks more to that vast experience of mine rather than any lack of hygiene.

Just sayin...
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Ha!Ha! You mean your "aromatic" backside!

The US now says that it's all Russia's fault!
US blames Russia for leak of undiplomatic language from top official
State department's diplomat for Europe, Victoria Nuland, apparently said '****** the EU' in conversation over Ukraine crisis
AFP in Washington
The Guardian, Thursday 6 February 2014 20.12 GMT

Victoria Nuland, right, meeting the Ukrainian president, Viktor Yanukovych, in Kiev. Photograph: Markiv Mykhailo/Itar-Tass Photo/Corbis

America's new top diplomat for Europe seems to have been caught being decidedly undiplomatic about her EU allies in a phone call apparently intercepted and leaked by Russia.

"****** the EU," Victoria Nuland apparently says in a recent phone call with the US ambassador to Kiev, Geoff Pyatt, as they discuss the next moves to try to resolve the crisis in Ukraine amid weeks of pro-democracy protests which have rocked the country. The call appears to have been intercepted and released on YouTube, accompanied by Russian captions of the private and candid conversation.

Although the US state department did not immediately respond to a request for comment, White House spokesman Jay Carney alleged that because it had been "tweeted out by the Russian government, it says something about Russia's role".

It was impossible to immediately verify the undated post, although the woman speaking sounds like Nuland, who served as the state department's spokeswoman before becoming assistant secretary for European and Eurasian affairs last year.

Nuland and Pyatt appear to discuss the upheavals in Ukraine, and President Viktor Yanukovych's offer last month to make opposition leader Arseniy Yatsenyuk the new prime minister and Vitali Klitschko deputy prime minister. Both men turned the offer down.

Nuland, who in December went to Independence Square in Kiev in a sign of support for the demonstrators, adds that she has also been told that the UN chief, Ban Ki-moon, is about to appoint a former Dutch ambassador to Kiev, Robert Serry, as his representative to Ukraine.

"That would be great I think to help glue this thing and have the UN glue it and you know, ****** the EU," she says, in an apparent reference to differences over their policies.

"We've got to do something to make it stick together, because you can be pretty sure that if it does start to gain altitude the Russians will be working behind the scenes to try to torpedo it," Pyatt replies.

State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said Nuland "has been in contact with her EU counterparts and of course has apologized for these reported comments".

She said that if the Russians were responsible for listening to, recording and posting a private diplomatic telephone conversation, it would be "a new low in Russian tradecraft."

Pressed on whether the call was authentic, Psaki said: "I didn't say it was inauthentic."

Carney refused to discuss any details of the call, saying "we do not discuss private conversations".

"Assistant Secretary Nuland has been in contact with her EU counterparts and relations with the EU are stronger than ever," he added.

Nuland was in Kiev on Thursday for a meeting with Yanukovych, who told her that he wanted to quickly adopt constitutional changes called for by pro-Western demonstrators.
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Someone should ask Kerry: "Tap dancing much"?
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It is so pleasing to hear Amb. Jaishankar refute the visa issue or the patent issue. I have not heard in recent years of a stronger public articulation by an Indian Amb. except this.
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SSridhar wrote:It is so pleasing to hear Amb. Jaishankar refute the visa issue or the patent issue. I have not heard in recent years of a stronger public articulation by an Indian Amb. except this.
Yes, true. Especially the lunch quote. Wonder why he was sleeping on the DK affair and trying the usual backroom BS with US senators instead of doing some plain speak.
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VijayKM wrote: You should be really, really skeptical the Ranbaxy facilities in India have been banned for legitimate reasons. The same way prosecutors file trumped up charges, here the goal is to suffocate the Indian pharma industry.
This is OT but, I am in the pharma industry and Ranbaxy situation is not a CT, they have huge compliance issues including data integrity.
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sunilUpa wrote:
VijayKM wrote: You should be really, really skeptical the Ranbaxy facilities in India have been banned for legitimate reasons. The same way prosecutors file trumped up charges, here the goal is to suffocate the Indian pharma industry.
This is OT but, I am in the pharma industry and Ranbaxy situation is not a CT, they have huge compliance issues including data integrity.
Can someone summarize the developments in non strategic thread? Is there a thread in tech/eco somewhere on pharma? where is the right place to look up?
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When beating about CTs on Ranabaxy it's useful to remember that it is majority owned by Japanese pharma major Daiichi Sankyo. Calling it an Indian company is a bit of a stretch .
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amit, that is true as of now, but the Ranbaxy issues predate the Daiichi take-over.
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amit, that is true as of now, but the Ranbaxy issues predate the Daiichi take-over.
Hmmm!! That story ends exactly like the old classic about the Kennedy-Nehru train ride parallel to the Ulan Bator Slik Road previously mentioned , that ends with:
Ah! But that is the Indian Ambassador to the United States!

Sridhar, to expand on TSJ's not-so-veiled threat as part of his tantrum (tantrum, BTW, is a misused stolen word from Mallostani), there is NO organization or personal entity in the Duniya who does not have "issues" predating this/that. This is the Martin Luther King driving 36mph-in 35mph zone situation. The standard desi lobster reaction would be
So why couldn't MLK be sensible enough to drive 34 mph? Wasn't he being a scofflaw?
Misses the point entirely. Had he driven 34, they would have arrested him for "cruising" (driving too slow, mainly to case the nbd to steal, or impress chicks).
Meanwhile the standard traffic speed through the nbd was probably 50, as it is in most 35mph zones in Ulan Bator. The yaks run fast because they are trying to get away from their own "lubricated" and fragrant musharrafs. : :mrgreen:
The US prosecutorial system has damaged its own credibility and any reputation it may have earned in the days of Atty General Archibald Cox and Judge Seneca (Watergate judge) or the Fed Civil Rights prosecutors and judges in the South, for fairness, sense of balance, sense of priorities etc. (Mainly their observance of the Gitanjali wish: Give me the strength never to bend my knees before insolent might) and degenerated into a crass political harassment machine. It is of course not alone. In Singapore, that Paradise of Clean Efficiency, per my 17th coujin, if you say something that makes the guvrmand or its senior leaders unhappy, well.... the tax ppl will pay you a visit. And another. And another. And another... until u get the message.
These oiseules are all in it for the Prestige and Power, and will kiss any musharraf above them to protect and advance those interests. They will, IOW, bend not just their knees, but will GUBO if that advances their career ambitions.
Here they are setting out to throw their tantrums on foreign policy, domestic employment, manufacturing non-competitiveness, open trade, and now the falling drug prices, through selective, extremely vicious, abuse of the law. So, IMO, the Presumption of Innocence, so forgotten these days but still buried in the Constitution somewhere, shines brightly in favor of Ranbaxy. Those prosecuting them have essentially zero credibility - and have earned that the hard way. Ranbaxy may have issues if you dig deep (or maybe even on the surface). So I bet have Merck, J&J, and whoever else stands to benefit from Ranbaxy getting shut down and drug prices shooting back up.
And I bet also that if the prosecutorial cohorts were to investigate those companies for election contributions to (no need to name them), they may have to dig deep, but find them they probably will. Bijnej eej bijnej, after all.
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If the process are made too complex/needless/unachievable/unviable/unprofitable for smaller companies, then the 'bug pharma' from west can always tom-tom that their 'processes' were not followed. These processes made as such so that they are most likely used either to eliminate competition or to make their products unviable. That is my opinion about these 'processes'. Surely Ranbaxy et al do have manufacturing issues with some of their drugs, and so will companies like Merck who also will be non-observant of some of their own 'processes' in order to maximise profits. They are cut throats who simply deny medicines to the poor, so that is not presently considered against them by those criticizing Indian pharma. It is also very much possible that Ranbaxy has really bungled in some medicines and that is being held up against them and as an opening for their competitors to eliminate companies like Ranbaxy as a threat.
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UB, it is Judge Sirica.
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VijayKM wrote:
Madhusudhan wrote:Very entertaining state dept briefing on the Russian tape leak:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW1WDbDX7wE
This is great :rotfl:

Just matter of fact ly the "lady" says "**** die eu" and the guy goes on taking it in his stride. May be this is feminism :rotfl: Aren't guys supposed to be talking like this? :rotfl:

This is a good catch, the Russians must have been recording patiently many hours and released this good one.

So it looks like the attitude amongst US officials is "**** India" "**** EU" "**** Israel"...who is left not to be fcuked :rotfl:
Themselve.Anyway just on sideline.........Sochi games arebig khujli in you knowwhose ass. Human rights are again hot topic. Non of these people dared to say a single word to china during olypics.
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OK, saip, the judge was not an orange juice company :mrgreen:

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Wonder why he was sleeping on the DK affair and trying the usual backroom BS with US senators instead of doing some plain speak.
Amby JSM didn't show up in DupleeCity to prejent his crednshuls until the DK tamasha was practically over (as in DK being evacuated). IOW, he didn't have "immyoonitty" himself, yet. :eek:
Human rights are again hot topic. Non of these people dared to say a single word to china during olypics.
Actually canine rights. Something about the burgers not Paco shunning the burgers.
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I am sooper slow today. where is this famous train ride documented?
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Ranbaxy is like Lucy in Peanuts saying someone loves her. Why? "He threw a stone at me".

Ranbaxy is noticed because it is right up there in the US fighting US court battles from as far back as I remember. Many dins ago a friend had advised me to buy Ranbaxy shares telling me "All they need to do is win one case in the US". I bought. They won. I sold.

But for every Ranbaxy there are a dozen Indian companies producing the same things, for Indians. In India. Most drugs in use today existed ten years ago and they are all made and sold in India at prices that will feel like a cavity search for US pharma companies. Yes some new drugs are coming - not that many and not that earth shaking, and probably not that difficult to make - hence the takleef.
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