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Lilo wrote:Devesh ji,
If you have a problem with Shankarcag settle it with him.
Why are you using it as an opportunity to for one of your filth heaping sessions on an entire people?

And who are the Telugu pride keepers ?
who made the claims and on whom are you railing ?

why is ShankarCag heaping his filth about "salivating" on an entire people? if you were not offended by that, you should not offended by my comments either. the fact that you still don't find anything wrong with it, and confine it to me "having a problem" with him, tells me that you agree or at the very least don't oppose it.
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Muppala wrote:Strategic Depth, land locked or resources shares are all talks when two countries divide. I don't understand why these topics get into discussions too much in the context of this division. Hilarious at best
Muppala ji,
What about Resource division which doesn't lend itself to a state division process ?

Who invested in Hyderabad and its infrastructure while foregoing (govt and pvt) investment in rest of AP ?

Who makes sure that resource sharing issues will not be made out of similar "emotive" reasons used for propping up T-demand in the future ?

What is the guarantee that T leaders will not use bile against seemandharas to drive another 1000 T students (who dont know better) to suicide out of a water or resource sharing nonissue made an issue in the future ?

Chaanakya ji will then quote these new set of preventable deaths and say give T their demanded share of water for its an "emotive" issue.
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Neither Telanganites nor Seemaandhraites nor Indians and for that matter most humans are not Bhagwan Sri Ram and therefore are not paragons of virtue. When I made that comment I meant the elites in Telangana who are using the grievances of the people of that region to further their own interests. No need really to be more offended than necessary and divert from the topic under discussion.
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devesh wrote:
Lilo wrote:Devesh ji,
If you have a problem with Shankarcag settle it with him.
Why are you using it as an opportunity to for one of your filth heaping sessions on an entire people?

And who are the Telugu pride keepers ?
who made the claims and on whom are you railing ?

why is ShankarCag heaping his filth about "salivating" on an entire people? if you were not offended by that, you should not offended by my comments either. the fact that you still don't find anything wrong with it, and confine it to me "having a problem" with him, tells me that you agree or at the very least don't oppose it.
So if someone says something and you didn't like it while others didn't respond as you see fit , you will concoct a filthy lie and go to town shouting it ?
Do you have any sense ?
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as far as I'm concerned, I told no lie. the separation of Telugu areas from Madras was born out of fear of Tamil domination. and that smoothly snowballed into the "telugu rashtram" because no better opportunity than to use the already roused emotions to join the politically and economically weaker Telangana while the weaker party could still be managed with "gentlemen agreements".
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Devesh ji,
Listen to yourself.

Maybe you think you are addressing a gathering of mob out to destroy some cultural icons, or a group of teenage students susceptible to baseless bullshit intended to "fashionably" drive them to suicide.... let me remind you ,you are not... so show us some proof on Strategic Depth bullshit or put a stop to it.

Two regions coalescing with another relatively weaker third region under a shared sense of common culture and language is some sort of ghor apraad ?

If we come to present What about current state of T ?
How is it "weaker" to rest of the AP state?

Going per your thinking the whole linguistic organisation of states is about one state imposing its notions of Strategic depth on another ?
A min ago you were not defending your strategic depth bullshit and pointing fingers at shankarcag's post... now why suddenly change tack ?
Are upkeep of pretenses so important ?

And lastly this commie like negative sceptical attribution of malice to the perceived "other"... is it real or is it just the old tactic employed in driving emotional students to suicide based on contrived lies ?
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chaanakya wrote:
ShyamSP wrote:
Realignment already happened and nothing big will come.

If BJP supports it Congress+TRS+MIM gets Telangana and it will be tough for TDP to truck with BJP in non-Telangana. For Seemandhra, Congress and BJP are both culprit for playing division politics on the AP state. Seemandhra will become like Tamil Nadu with no place for Central parties in the future.

If BJP doesn't support the bill, they continue to play blame game on Congress and BJP+TDP can give tough fight in next elections. TDP can sweep Seemandhra saying voting for Congress and YSRC will lead to split in the future.

Harsh reality is that Telugus will become Kashmiris without any care for Nation. BJP will fail the nation by encouraging divisions.
Thnanks for reply. Your answer is a food for thought, for me.

But I don't think telugus would behave without caring for the Nation. They are too much invested in the development and well being of this country to become one. I can give you umpteen examples of their contribution starting with National Flag. But I can understand your dismay. We have been divided and got over it without much rancor.
Saar,
I think people underestimate the importance of united Thelugu state in keeping south Bhaarath within the Indian nation. If India was a Hindhu state, then Hindhuthva would have played the unifying factor. But, India is a secular country. So, what keeps the people united? Regional/linguistic states. Take away the linguistic states and what have you left? What will keep the people united? Secularism? Gandhism?

Then, there are 3 forces in South-Bhaarath: Thelugu nationalism, Maraata nationalism, and Thamil nationalism. During the colonial rule, Maraata nationalism has distanced itself from South-Bhaarath and has trucked itself with North-Bhaarath(Generally, the northern Maraata regions are closely tied with Guj). That left 2 forces in South-Bhaarath. Of these two, Thelugu nationalism became centripetal force and Thamil nationalism developed into centrifugal force. The inglish provoked and supported the Thamil nationalism and shaped it into a force that is not very keen on India.

After 1947, India was able to tame Thamil nationalism by supporting Thelugu nationalism by giving a separate united state for Thelugus which put paid to the plans of Dhravida-naadu. This paved for the proper and full integration of the South-Bhaarath into India. (The opposition by Kannadigas and Thelugus to the idea of Thamil nationalism is what stopped the Dhravida-naadu idea from fructifying apart from the lack of support by the common Thamil people to such ideas. Thelugu nationalism and Kannada nationalism are very similar and infact, both can be seen as an extension of each other). So, Dhravida-naadu idea had to be exported to Lanka. Now, if the Thelugu nationalism gets defeated, then the Dhravida-naadu idea again comes into play.

A very important point is: in a chess board, some squares are very important to control a whole lot of other squares. Similarly, Thelangana region is the link between North-Bhaarath and South-Bhaarath. It is the pivot. If the pivot is kept separate, both South-Bhaarath and North-Bhaarath will get delinked.

North-Bhaarath is the strategic depth of South-Bhaarath and South-Bhaarath is the strategic depth of North-Bhaarath. Both have to support each other. And both are linked by Thelangana region. Whenever this link get broken, it becomes easier for the external forces because both south and north become vulnerable.

There seems to be historical precedence in this matter. Kakathiya empire rose in Thelangana region starting from 1050 CE. At around the same time, one sees that Jihadhis start attacking the north-Bhaarath and start tasting successes. Even though Gazni had sacked Somnath in 1026 CE, there were no major gains. But, suddenly starting from 1050 onwards, the north becomes increasing vulnerable to the jihadhis and starts losing. Why? Maybe the answer lies in the rise of Kakathiya empire in Thelangana region which delinked the south from the north. Starting from this time, south behaves as if it does not care for what is happening in north. And as a consequence, north continues to battle jihadhis without any help from the south(including Maraatas). At the height of kakathiya empire, north was defeated by the jihadhis and their seat was established in Dilli. Even then, South ignores and continues as if it does not care until finally the invasion by the Mallik Kafir.

Then, Vijayanagara was formed. But Thelangana was not part of Vijayanagara. So, Vijayanagara could not integrate South and North Bhaarath. Even during Maraata empire, Thelangana remained out of their power. But they managed to circumvent Thelangana region and establish some kingdoms in south. Yet, that was not enough. Thelangana region is the pivot to unite North and South. The existence of Nizam's state was crucial to the survival of inglish. If inglish had annexed Thelangana, then it would have united the North and South which would have paved the way for quicker disintegration of inglish empire. South remained largely separate from the larger independence movement precisely because of Thelangana not being part of inglish empire. Even then, it was mostly the Thelugus who were most participative in the independence movement. It was the Thelugus who bought into the kongis/Gandhi or even revolutionaries(Seetharama Raju and tribal revolt). Communism was unleashed to divert the Thelugus particularly the Hindhu angst in Nizam region. Even though Communism was intellectually born in Vangal. It acquired its violent edge and revolutionary spirit in Thelangana and Thelugu regions.

The greatest achievement of Sardhaar Patel is the assimilation of Thelangana into India and thereby paving the way for the assimilation of South-Bhaarath. If Thelangana had managed to remain independent or part of Pakisthan, then the entire South-Bhaarath would have either seceded or become similar to North-east. Just as the existence of BD, keeps the entire North-East destabilized, the existence of pakjab keeps the Kashmir and Punjab destabilized, the existence of separate Nizam state would have kept the South-Bhaarath destabilitzed.

Finally, the politicians are crooks. Maybe some exceptions exist, but generally they are crooks. Even otherwise, for them it is personal. Their choices are always about personal power. If out of power politicians see that they can acquire power by raking up separate state demands, then what stops them from doing so? KCR was inspired by Shibu Soren. If KCR succeeds, he will inspire many more. Again a redux of the country in 1050 CE.
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Johneeg, that was a very good analysis.I had a similar perception that something dramatic and drastic is going to happen in south in the next 30-40 years, and a vertical split is one possibility. Mine was based on contemporary happenings where both Tamil and Telugu feel that they got betrayed by North. But your historical interpretation makes even more sense.
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When I say that rise of Kakathiya empire delinked South and North, what I mean to say is that it took a long time for the Kakathiyas to unite the Thelugu lands and thereby link South and North. For a long time, Kakathiyas were restricted to Thelangana region and this delinked the South and North which gave the jihadhis time to take on North without support from South. Cholas, who were the dominant power in South, were unable to win over Thelangana region due to the presence of Kakathiya empire. If the Cholas had managed to control Thelangana region, then they could have crossed over to the North and perhaps take on the jihadhis. At that time, it was the existence of Kakathiyas that stopped the Cholas. By the time, Kakathiyas were ready to expand into North, invasions from the jihadhis started on South. Before the Kakathiyas, it was a struggle between Western Chalukyas and Cholas. Both stopped the other from uniting the Thelugu regions. If either of the two had succeeded, then they could then link the North and South. But both were unsuccessful. Western Chalukyas controlled Thelangana region while the Cholas controlled the Coastal regions. Kakathiyas who were successors of Western Chalukyas continued this struggle. By the time, Kakathiyas were in a position to control entire Thelugu regions and turn their gaze northwards, Jihadhis started their attacks on South. And South was unable to take on jihadhis and suffered severely.

Immediately as a reaction to fall of Kakathiya, Nayaks rose and managed to free Thelangana region. It is said that Harihara and Bukka, who had converted to Islam, were sent by the jihadhis in Dilli to defeat the Nayaks and bring the Thelangana back into their control. But, Harihara and Bukka reverted to Hindhuism at Shrungeri and established Vijayanagara. If both Vijayanagara and Nayaks had united into a single state, it would have been magnificent. But, they remained separate. They helped each other against jihadhis. But, two states are two states and are bound to compete with each other. If they had coalesced into one and united their prowess, they could have achieved a lot.

Jihadhis kept attacking and soon Thelangana region fell back into their hands(because of the disunity among the Nayaks). And starting from that time(1350-60) until 1948, Thelangana has been continuously under the jihadhi rule(for 600 yrs. Particularly the Nizams for 200+ yrs. And the last Nizam sent Razaakars to genocide the Hindhus). Despite that, Hindhus of Thelangana have kept their culture and identity intact. It is perhaps, one of the rarest feats in the history of the world that a culture and identity has managed to survive for so long under the alien/hostile rulers.

Once the Thelangana region was lost to jihadhis, Nayaks and Vijayanagara empire united and managed to win the entire South-Bhaarath. But, they could not win the pivot Thelangana region which would have paved their way to assimilation of North-Bhaarath.

Moral of the story: United Thelugu lands keep South and North united. Divided Thelugu lands divide North and South. And in the long term, both South and North become vulnerable.

PS: BTW, Dhravida-naadu idea seems to be based on core regions of Chola empire and the idea was encouraged during the inglish colonial rule.
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This also fits for con race divide and rule policy; in step with troubles from pakilands in Kashmir and may be mughalistan plans by jihadis in Bharat.
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I didn't know BJP spokesperson speaks Telugu. BJP is clarifying that they are sticking to justice to all regions. One thing she clears is BJP doesn't have the bill. So it means bill is not ready for Lok Sabha. All Congress is doing on amendments to bill is still propaganda. Next week will be interesting like in Assembly final day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNuesiOgv70
Nirmala Sitaraman demands equal justice to both regions

But one thing is as BJP leaders in Parliament have been weak and nincompoops * aiding Congress in many bills. Once T-bill comes to Rajya Sabha first, I'm not sure how much power Modi camp has to thwart it as Sushma&co will get power on what to do.

* Arun Jaitly after food-security bill said something like, "we don't like the bill but we're voting for it" :roll:
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Considering that BJP gets very little out of state division now and the general belief that BJP will create new state if it comes to power is well established, i don't understand why Sushma and co is behaving like cong-b team? This raises bigger question? Do they clandestinely hoping that Modi lose the election? When congress suffocates Modi with all kind of insulting comments, I'm yet to see any retaliation from Advani/Sushma against Congress. The only support for Modi comes from Rajnath Singh and VenkaihNaidu. It seems if BJP loses the blame goes to Modi, and if they win the credit goes to all. That is the curent state of BJP. One thing is sure. If BJP votes for division, it will be suicidal for TDP (or for that matter any party) to have an alliance with BJP, which means they will draw blank in AP.
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Dasari wrote:Considering that BJP gets very little out of state division now and the general belief that BJP will create new state if it comes to power is well established, i don't understand why Sushma and co is behaving like cong-b team? This raises bigger question? Do they clandestinely hoping that Modi lose the election? When congress suffocates Modi with all kind of insulting comments, I'm yet to see any retaliation from Advani/Sushma against Congress. The only support for Modi comes from Rajnath Singh and VenkaihNaidu. It seems if BJP loses the blame goes to Modi, and if they win the credit goes to all. That is the curent state of BJP. One thing is sure. If BJP votes for division, it will be suicidal for TDP (or for that matter any party) to have an alliance with BJP, which means they will draw blank in AP.
It is more the fact that SS and her group made the commitment to support Telangana that is making it hard for them to draw back. They are more worried about their egos (rather than any deliberate attempt to sabotage NaMo) and also the Telangana cadre has been absolutely fanatical in pushing their case. The Telangana cadre think that it is now or never. So, they want to achieve their separate state, no matter the cost to anyone else.
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the British started out as mere profit-seekers and thus were at first interested only in the Circars. they found an elite which was not really interested in opposing them. this worked well for them. they established ports, and good working relationships with the existing crop of big agricultural barons and land-owners. this was also the period in which the Marathas were at the height of their expansion. Bajirao was active in this period. and after him, his son would continue the expansion into the North and Central zones, and even reached Bengal in the East.

the British were watching all these things. they knew that the peace between the Nizam and Peshwa was strenuous at best. they understood that if the Maratha policy ever changed and they decided to actively pursue the destruction of the Nizam State, it would also give the Marathas the perfect justification to assimilate the East coast of the Nizam. this is where British politicking starts. they cleverly establish lucrative relations with the East Coast agri-land-owners. this would make the Hindu elites in that region weary of the Marathas, primarily because the Marathas were known to plunder their enemies vigorously. and also because they were now raking in more money via "international trade" with the British Mercantile Empire than every before.

in the annals of East Coast history, at least in Andhra and Tamil Nadu, the most ignored aspect is the collaboration of rich merchants and Agri-trade barons with the European imperialists in the last 500 years. the Jagath Seths of Bengal are famous. but what about the numerous such profit-seekers in the Southern peninsula?

anyway, going back to history: the shape of the split between Seemandhra and Telangana was primarily a result of British calculations. the British also wanted a shortcut to the West coast directly from the East coast. they wisely calculated that in the event where they had to go up against the Marathas, they would need a direct route that would give them supply lines that were small enough to not be worried about the Maratha prowess at quick, mobile warfare. this is a testament to how much forethought the British had. and just how miserably, the Marathas, and all Hindus in general failed to understand the nature of European imperialism. the mercantiles in the East Coast were content with their profits. the Marathas foolishly believed that the Northern Plains would accept their hegemony without first eradicating all traces of Islamic Militias in the South.

and meanwhile, the ever-hedging and hawing elites of Telangana would continue bootlicking the Nawab.

the only Southern power in history which could make a strong entry into the North and even overthrow foreign tyrants from the Northwest was the Satavahana imperium. it's not about joining the "Telugu country", it's about keeping the 2 coasts together, under one banner. the states in between must all be under the sovereign authority of one nation. that is the only way to protect Bharat. all this "telugu unity" is a modern concept of 20th century response against the twin pressures of British Imperialism, and the problems and issues of a nascent Indian State emerging from colonialism.

in the end, history offers unique opportunities to those who take it. and for some, those opportunities turn out to be a disaster in the long run. for India, the ousting of the mercantile elite in the East Coast and the regeneration of a new set of dreamers and practical thinkers who own up to the mistakes of ancestors and work for a different kind of long-term political establishment, is the necessity. I have repeatedly said that I have no sympathy for the Telugu elites. they exist only for their profits. only for their aggrandizement. there is a small section of the elites who are exceptions. but this section is not the most powerful political force. if they must gain political leadership, they must do so with the help of commons and might have to go up against members of their own caste/clan. this bifurcation is an opportunity which looks like a curse. as I said, those who can dream, and also plan practically, will understand what this means for the whole region. the ex-feudals in Telangana who haven't made amends, the Ashraf Jihadis, and the mercantile profits-are-everything dreamers on the Coast: these 3 will form a triad of powerful coercive force (yes, even after bifurcation, they will find a way to unite on common causes; but the bifurcation will make overt cooperation much more risky; this works in favor of Bharat -- for the new dreamers and practical planners).
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chaanakya wrote:
ShyamSP wrote:
Realignment already happened and nothing big will come.

If BJP supports it Congress+TRS+MIM gets Telangana and it will be tough for TDP to truck with BJP in non-Telangana. For Seemandhra, Congress and BJP are both culprit for playing division politics on the AP state. Seemandhra will become like Tamil Nadu with no place for Central parties in the future.

If BJP doesn't support the bill, they continue to play blame game on Congress and BJP+TDP can give tough fight in next elections. TDP can sweep Seemandhra saying voting for Congress and YSRC will lead to split in the future.

Harsh reality is that Telugus will become Kashmiris without any care for Nation. BJP will fail the nation by encouraging divisions.
Thnanks for reply. Your answer is a food for thought, for me.
...
This video is in Telugu so excuse me. At 8 mins onwards, Congress leader analyzes same as above about BJP-TDP alliance for split and non-split cases. He says TDP can easily win 15 - 25 in Seemandhra alone.

TV9 - Will TDP tie up with BJP for Elections? Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXfqKeqYlUU

Essentially if BJP rejects, Congress is in soup and if BJP approves Congress wins. So if UPA-3 happens it is BJP's stupidity.


Another video from ABN Tv on similar topic. It says BJP-TDP tie up can win 30 seats if BJP makes wise choice instead of supporting Congress on the bill.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFshkXR0MNc
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BJP should do the smart thing and postpone a vote on the Bill till after the elections. that's the best way to reduce damage to them.

and TDP needs to prove its mettle and actually show that it still has ground strength instead of grand projections on TV channels which we've seen multiple times before, in 2009, and after 2009 in various byelections.

in fact, even INC might come to the same conclusion and decide to pass it off as "we tried" but have to wait till elections are over.

even if thee Rajya Sabha vote happens, there is no guarantee that Lok Sabha vote will happen anytime soon.

My honest suggestion to BJP is do nothing and procrastinate till General Election results are out. then new alignments and possibilities will spring up. at that point, it might even be possible to sweep the whole thing under the rug and say it's no longer possible to table the bill because of "strenuous National circumstances".
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BJP should simply say that BJP would give Telangana once SeemaAndhra has its own capital city.

That way Telangana knows that it is useless to protest before that, and that their Telangana is still assured, at the end of the day.
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^^^
even that is not necessary. it will become another whole controversy that BJP steps into. they just need to follow PVNR's dictum. do nothing. procrastinate till Elections are over.
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I don't see what the hurry is. Telangana has been on the backburner for past 10 years. 4-5 more months is nothing.
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devesh wrote:^^^
even that is not necessary. it will become another whole controversy that BJP steps into. they just need to follow PVNR's dictum. do nothing. procrastinate till Elections are over.
If there is another commercial hub in SeemaAndhra, similar to Hyderabad, would Telangana people still be so keen on separation? What if the next round of job opportunities are in SeemaAndhra and not in Telangana?

To check this theory, BJP may like to postpone AP bifurcation till the SeemaAndhra capital city is finished.
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^^^
it won't be that easy. the Kosta folks will coalesce around Hyderabad. but if the debate starts on where to build a Kosta capital city, they will fracture into at least 3-4 different groups. the Kosta rivalries have their own individual axes to grind. if BJP steps into this mess, it will be getting into an unnecessary sub-regional elite faction fight for profit and resource-sharing.
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^^^
the kosta elite attitude is eerily similar to British dancing around subject of internal fractures by pointing to external expansion. the same is for Kosta elites. in the Seemandhra state, there is powerful rivalry between caste groupings which will put anything in Telangana to shame. Telangana is essentially an "expansion" project to pour water on internecine coastal rivalries and giving them an "external" project to to fulfill their ambitions.
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Which world do people live in ?
Only one whose exposure is restricted to the TANA , NATA and other similar Massaland based pissing competetions can seriously propound such bull.

Or is it a deliberate commie theory of deconstruction of communities at operation here ?
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RajeshA wrote:If there is another commercial hub in SeemaAndhra, similar to Hyderabad, would Telangana people still be so keen on separation?
Why not? I don't think the "self-declared generous" people of SA would try to stop hard working (but not the lazy or crony capitalist) T "vadis" from settling in their midst and contribute to the progress and development of SA.
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Sonia’s choreography, Kiran’s dance

http://vickynanjappa.com/2014/01/31/son ... ans-dance/
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TRS gets RS seat due to cross voting.
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Daggubati couple to join BJP and contest on BJP ticket.

http://www.sakshi.com/news/andhra-prade ... -top-story
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Heard that one former TDP MP from T is thinking of joining BJP. She was a state minister iirc ANC a reserved constituency candidate.
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Sabbam hari, the MP from Anakapalle gave scathing attack on Congress and BJP. It is believed now that few more MPs and ministers are joining them in attacking the high command in parliament. They believe that they have 70 votes for no confidence motion. So the accusation from Hari is that they mutually agreed to send the bill to Rajya sabha to keep the division bill alive, and go to polls asking for T votes claiming that they would form T after they come to power. This was the match fixing that Hari is accusing both congress and BJP.

Meanwhile in an irresponsible way TRS is threatning BJP to pay heavy price from T for including polavaram in SA, and on the other hand welcomes BJP stance to support the bill. What is this nonsense?Do they think that the entire world owes them something because they are Telangana? They better know that any pampering to either side is happening based on political equation as this is pure political problem. No national party loves because one is T or other is SA. If they don't hold their toungue and the division is stopped, T will be screwed big time. Any post election deal will be in a form and shape that most T separatists will regret to the extent some may start the slogan of united AP with package to T.
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One more week of drama in Parliament. There was no need for the Mafia to antoganize BJP in Lokpal panel. But D4 may yet bailout mafia. CBN is trying to create allies to NDA by bringing AIDMK, BJD, TMC etc and his opposition to the manner of division may help NM to gain in GE but does D4 allow it? NM is not in the parliament. So mainly Sushma controls the BJP agenda in Loksabha. Will she act in the political interest of the BJP or her hatered of NM becoming PM. I am not sure. But reports say that AJ scolded Sushma for her one sided support to T state demand before LKA few days back and RNS is in Lok Sabha. As per the ABN congress has made demands of BJP in to Mafia ministers demands and gave them publicity which angered the BJP leadership.

In all we will now know the true colors of D4 in the next 10 days or so. Once vote on account budget is passed there can not be further sittings and if nothing is done in next 10 days mafia losses heavyly and BJP plus may gain about 20 seats in AP.
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Narayana Rao wrote: BJP plus may gain about 20 seats in AP.
I have my own doubt about BJP gaining seats in either T or SP whichever way it votes in Parliament. Which 20 seats will it win??
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chaanakya wrote:
Narayana Rao wrote: BJP plus may gain about 20 seats in AP.
I have my own doubt about BJP gaining seats in either T or SP whichever way it votes in Parliament. Which 20 seats will it win??
it is not about BJP winning. There is one party that will never join UPA in AP called as TDP. It is as good as BJP for now if it can make TDP win.
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Hari Seldon wrote:Daggubati couple to join BJP and contest on BJP ticket.

http://www.sakshi.com/news/andhra-prade ... -top-story

there is a prominent friend of this couple in NJ, who was hinting at this few months ago. he has a chem raw material distribution business in the Americas.

this has also been in the news for several months now. not sure how this will effect BJP's views on T-bill, but it might be better to now postpone decision till after Elections. wait for INC and TRS to take a hit.

but if BJP doesn't perform as well, and if TDP also puts up a weaker than expected show, then the case of United AP will not work and BJP at that point will have no choice but to vote in favor.

if they vote in favor now, it will mean brick bats from SA.

the way I see it, the least damaging option for BJP is to postpone decision till after General Elections.
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This article tells that if there are amendments it has to go back to assembly? It is spin or real?


Hectic T-alks to Show Way Forward
Amidst discussions over the fate of the Telangana Bill in Parliament, hectic backroom consultations are reportedly on between the two principal parties - the Congress and BJP - on the way ahead, even as Seemandhra leaders are pulling out all stops to prevent the bifurcation of Andhra Pradesh, until the elections.

After the meeting of the Cabinet and the Congress core group on Friday, the task of liaising with the BJP is understood to have been entrusted to Union Minister Jairam Ramesh while the pointsman for the saffron party is its former president M Venkaiah Naidu.


According to sources, the Congress has exchanged with the BJP the amendments cleared by the Cabinet and wanted the latter to come up with suggestions, in writing, explaining against each of them whether it is “essential” or “non-essential.” This exercise is expected to be completed only by Monday, which is the why the idea of introducing the Bill in the Rajya Sabha has been deferred to Wednesday from 10th as originally planned. What is, however, certain is that until the chairpersons of both the Houses say “Yes” have it, the last word is not said on the Telangana Bill because serious doubts still exist on whether the Congress would be able to take its July 30 announcement to its logical conclusion. Among the various suggestions that the BJP is insisting on, is one pertaining to financial package for the residuary state.

The party is said to be insisting that the quantum of assistance and the period through which it would be given should form part of the financial memorandum attached to the Bill.

While a fiscal memorandum is not a must for introduction of a bill in the Rajya Sabha, it is mandatory in respect of legislations placed before the Lok Sabha.

The one aspect that is clear now is that the Bill that would be referred to the President is the one that was sent to the AP Assembly without any of the proposed amendments. If the amendments are inserted at this stage by the Union Cabinet, it becomes mandatory to refer it again to the Assembly. On the other hand, what has been legally suggested is that the Union Government proposes the changes in the form of “official amendments” when the Bill is brought before Parliament.
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devesh wrote:if they vote in favor now, it will mean brick bats from SA.

the way I see it, the least damaging option for BJP is to postpone decision till after General Elections.
I think that is how they are operating. They have put Venkiah Naidu as the decision maker of how to deal with the bill in Parl. They are strategizing to openly say we will pass the bill while putting amendments in such away that passage is constitutionally impossible. However, there are several wheels-inside-wheels that will be unknown in the end. Next four days decides the winds of AP in the coming elections.
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ultimately, it all depends how confident INC is about restricting TDP and BJP in the Kosta-Seema. it all depends on what inputs Sonia is receiving. if she's confident she can confine the BJP-TDP in SA to manageable numbers, they will go ahead with the vote. if she is not....then it will be a waiting game until Elections are over.
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Muppalla wrote:

it is not about BJP winning. There is one party that will never join UPA in AP called as TDP. It is as good as BJP for now if it can make TDP win.

You can't trust TDP all along. Sometime back I wrote that if TDP leaves MP seats to BJP , it can take majority of T Assembly or United AP Assembly seats for it and possibly form the Govt. Else TDP will be the first party to suddenly develop secularitis . It has done so in past and will do so in future just like Nikuamma did. So BJP should think of increasing its tally rather than boosting chances of some regional party without commensurate advantage and accept being at their mercy. In that case better not form the Govt at the centre.
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chaanakya wrote:
You can't trust TDP all along. Sometime back I wrote that if TDP leaves MP seats to BJP , it can take majority of T Assembly or United AP Assembly seats for it and possibly form the Govt. Else TDP will be the first party to suddenly develop secularitis . It has done so in past and will do so in future just like Nikuamma did. So BJP should think of increasing its tally rather than boosting chances of some regional party without commensurate advantage and accept being at their mercy. In that case better not form the Govt at the centre.
Trust, Secularism or not, it is one party that went with BJP prepoll rain or shine. In 2009 they did not go together and both bited the dust. In addition, in entire India, TDP, Shiv Sena and very few other miniscules who are permanently not in Congress basket.

You put any combos in AP they are all are UPA in the end. The strategy if you can't win make sure those who will NOT go with congress wins.
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chaanakya wrote:
Muppalla wrote:

it is not about BJP winning. There is one party that will never join UPA in AP called as TDP. It is as good as BJP for now if it can make TDP win.

You can't trust TDP all along. Sometime back I wrote that if TDP leaves MP seats to BJP , it can take majority of T Assembly or United AP Assembly seats for it and possibly form the Govt. Else TDP will be the first party to suddenly develop secularitis . It has done so in past and will do so in future just like Nikuamma did. So BJP should think of increasing its tally rather than boosting chances of some regional party without commensurate advantage and accept being at their mercy. In that case better not form the Govt at the centre.
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Read the bottom and understand why it is a historic blunder for BJP not to defer this until next elections. With current division, both parties can forget about SA for the next 20-30 years. This is Tamilnadu all over again.



(this was a poster on Vizag RK beach - courtesy of eenadu)
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My Telugu is very rusty. Can you please give me a quick translation of the placard the gentlemen is holding. I got some of it, but a few words went over my head.

TIA.
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