AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

[Muppalla]

My Telugu is very rusty. Can you please give me a quick translation of the placard the gentlemen is holding. I got some of it, but a few words went over my head.

TIA.

Whatever happening in Hastina (means Delhi)
is rape/disrobing of Telugu Talli (equivalant of Bharat mata for Telugus)
The energy due to anger from the hearts of Seemandhra
will destroy the the Kaurava congress and that is a surity.

If you behave like Drittharastra
(Kamalanadhulu) Kamal-folks (BJP) cannot come here
Kamal will not bloom in Andhra's lake
Never it will - This is Andhra's shaap/curse

[Dasari]

My Telugu is very rusty. Can you please give me a quick translation of the placard the gentlemen is holding. I got some of it, but a few words went over my head.

TIA.

It is a poem drawing parallel to Mahabharat. The top poster is for Congress and the bottom is for BJP.
Top:
What is happening in Delhi is
Undressing of Andhra (implying Draupadi-Dussasun)
If Seemandhra hearts are anguished
The fall of Kourava-Congress is certain

Bottom:
If you remain silent like Dhrustarashtra
the Lotus will never be seen
will be confined to tanks and ponds of Andhra
will be extinct for ever, this is andhra's curse

[chaanakya]

It was AP which made UPA-2 Possible , the curse is upon them . How many BJP seats have they given or promised to give.? They have never invested in another national parties except Conigs and regional parties.

But BJP should think about its principles of smaller states when it divided three states despite demand not being as strong as is for Telangana. How will it answer to T folks? And whether SA is not going YSRC/Jagan ways? He attracted huge rallies. Everybody surmised that jagan might merge in Congis a later date. Who knows?

AP will have this issue of curse which is already there upon BJP not having proper representation in state politics. Blame is on BJP as much as on AP. But that does not mean their fortune will change overnight by one vote sought by few desperate people.

[ShyamSP]

it is not about BJP winning. There is one party that will never join UPA in AP called as TDP. It is as good as BJP for now if it can make TDP win.

You can't trust TDP all along. Sometime back I wrote that if TDP leaves MP seats to BJP , it can take majority of T Assembly or United AP Assembly seats for it and possibly form the Govt. Else TDP will be the first party to suddenly develop secularitis . It has done so in past and will do so in future just like Nikuamma did. So BJP should think of increasing its tally rather than boosting chances of some regional party without commensurate advantage and accept being at their mercy. In that case better not form the Govt at the centre.

BJP may go with Congress. TDP is the only party that is consistently anti-Congress both at state and central level. Only instance they supported INC is to let PV Narasimha Rao win at Nandyal. TDP is the reason INC is going at full stream on T issue as TDP carries anti-Congressism gene as part of its ideology.

If BJP can't trust it, it is BJP's loss.

[chaanakya]

Whether TDP supports United AP or telagana?

[devesh]

BJP cannot trust TDP because of TDP's past behavior. BJP should not trust TDP. if anything, this is the right opportunity for BJP to show TDP its place.

the Daggubati couple joining BJP is the proper way for BJP to go forward. they need to negotiate for control of the "political economy". this alliance business with TDP will never allow BJP to grow. I'm not saying BJP should stay away from TDP. BJP should ally with TDP....but BJP must also realize that TDP is on its way down. they are past their prime, and they have no where to go but down (regardless of what happens in 2014 elections).

now is the time for BJP to renegotiate its standing in Andhra, and extract meaningful concessions from TDP. and part of this process is directly talking to important vote banks without TDP's interference.

[Lilo]

It was AP which made UPA-2 Possible , the curse is upon them . How many BJP seats have they given or promised to give.? They have never invested in another national parties except Conigs and regional parties.

But BJP should think about its principles of smaller states when it divided three states despite demand not being as strong as is for Telangana. How will it answer to T folks? And whether SA is not going YSRC/Jagan ways? He attracted huge rallies. Everybody surmised that jagan might merge in Congis a later date. Who knows?

AP will have this issue of curse which is already there upon BJP not having proper representation in state politics. Blame is on BJP as much as on AP. But that does not mean their fortune will change overnight by one vote sought by few desperate people.

Chaanakya ji,
Quite interesting.
Please to elucidate this curse of supporting UPA theory more.

Wonder what happened to the punya phal of CBN giving outside support for NDA1 for 6 years.
Wonder if BJP was in a position to make govt after 2009 would CBN again given outside support (against the wishes of his votebanks in some pockets as he did previously). Ahh What if What if What if ...

But keeping aside all quid pro quo theories Chaanakya ji, can a single set of people be alienated from their own people by presiding over a blatantly unfair and unreasoned acrimonious political division for nothing but political gains by the unconcerned center hain ji?

Wonder what was the thing with partition of Bengal against reason by briturds and against bengali people's wishes and how it led to Muslim leagues domination in east Bengal since and finally 1947 ?

Wonder if all the chankian theories being propounded about the benefits of partitioning Telugu people given by various commie inclined types here and else where can nevereverever throw up an acrimonious situation ready to be exploited by outsiders as in Bengal of 1906 , hain ji?
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Bomb the mosque
One of the loins gave a similar theory in Four lions ( a movie)
[youtube]MOQY7fxnWHg?start=2010&end=2240[/youtube]

Similar theory to above in this dhaga below.
>>>>
Split the people.
People will kill each other , moderates will be radicalised and loyalities will come out.
Finally surviving people if not exhausted with infighting will unite against their Ashrafi arch enemy and go on to wage a dhramyudhh.

Yeah right .

[devesh]

I like this one. entertaining and saddening at once. satire is great.

[Lilo]

^
If moderates listen to this tollywood song of unkown writer along with commie Gaddar's usual Biplava ballads , will the moderates raise up and bomb the mosque (in this case destroy Telugu cultural icons on tank bund and drive hundreds of impressionable students to suicide ?) and radicalise themselves ?

Ohh wait !! Never mind.

[Muppalla]

But BJP should think about its principles of smaller states when it divided three states despite demand not being as strong as is for Telangana. How will it answer to T folks? And whether SA is not going YSRC/Jagan ways? He attracted huge rallies. Everybody surmised that jagan might merge in Congis a later date. Who knows?

Pure bakwaas. My support is always with BJP whether they give T or not. BJP is laden with hypocrisy on this topic. In UP Maya passed an unanimous resolution to split the state into three and sent the bill to parliament. They should have banged the heads and get it done using the so called small state principles. Which state is bigger or ungovernable than UP? BJP had even far worse ideas like dividing JK into three and giving Ghorkaland. All its needs is AAP type central governments or a NAC type super un-democratic agenda based governance in future to pass them to other countries. You don't build a country that can collapse when it gets it weak moments. You build a country that has to survive thick and thin times. Fundamental principles of Chaanakya Also start thinking about Tawang as separate state.

Giving small states is destroying the nation in the long run by weakening the core. We can do spin and lungi dances by trying to identify what is core. We had made a choice of linguistic states and work to make it better rather than all these lungi dances. All along even the crazy Indira or others tried creating hill councils, or autonomous bodies, goodies to stop the nonsense.

Telangana creation is exploiting the grievances to do a classic Brit style divide and rule and nothing less or noting more. In 2004 the survey in Telangana puts 51% for Telangana and 49% for United AP. In 2009, TRS+TDP openly went to polls together with a promise of giving Telangana. BJP's Iron man proclaimed that he will give it in 100 days. YSR said he will NOT allow it. Guess what who won the election? YSR worn. TRS great man KCR won Mahabubnagar LS seat by a megre 15000 votes for all the talleset of tall T claims. How come the demand did not work?

The trigger of T was not sufficient to get the gravitation pull of "I have to divide the state by hook or crook". The greater lungi dance finally said let us declare and see otherwise this bloody T folks are forgetting to do the agitation. They declared in 2009 to bloster the sentiment and the demand was kept alive. When the peak of peak sentiment was there the new surveys put 65% for and 35% against division inside the T region. What that means is there is a 35% polarization can still happen electorally against division in T state. Hence the urgency to close the matter.

Lungi dance zindabad

[Dasari]

BJP cannot trust TDP because of TDP's past behavior. BJP should not trust TDP. if anything, this is the right opportunity for BJP to show TDP its place.

the Daggubati couple joining BJP is the proper way for BJP to go forward. they need to negotiate for control of the "political economy". this alliance business with TDP will never allow BJP to grow. I'm not saying BJP should stay away from TDP. BJP should ally with TDP....but BJP must also realize that TDP is on its way down. they are past their prime, and they have no where to go but down (regardless of what happens in 2014 elections).

now is the time for BJP to renegotiate its standing in Andhra, and extract meaningful concessions from TDP. and part of this process is directly talking to important vote banks without TDP's interference.

Daggupati couple or for that matter anybody from SA, including TDP, will only be possible if BJP stalls the current division. Otherwise BJP can forget about SA for another 20-30 years, regrardless of TDP is declininng or Jagan is drowning. One or both of them will survive creating another Tamilnadu.

[vivek.rao]

Telangana bill may be tabled in Parliament on Tuesday

The bill to create Telangana is likely to be introduced in Parliament on Tuesday.

Home ministry officials on Sunday night said the file recommending introduction of the Andhra Pradesh Reorganisation Bill in Parliament has been sent to the President through the Prime Minister's Office.

"The approval of the President is expected on Monday. We are planning to introduce the bill in Parliament on Tuesday," said a senior home ministry official.

The Union Cabinet had on Friday approved the draft bill for the creation of Telangana by bifurcating Andhra Pradesh, notwithstanding the state assembly's rejection of the legislation.

Earlier, talk in parliamentary circles was that the bill was likely to be introduced in Rajya Sabha on Monday and a supplementary list of business could be added to the agenda.

Amid opposition by anti-Telangana Members of Parliament, including those from the Congress, the government has so far refused to reveal its plans on the issue.

By introducing the bill in the Rajya Sabha, the government apparently wants to keep it alive even after the dissolution of the Lok Sabha. Bills introduced in the Upper House and not passed by it remain in the 'live register'.

The controversial bill will be presented in the form it was sent to the Andhra Pradesh assembly and the government is expected to move 32 amendments when it is taken up for consideration, sources said.

I have a question for gurus. Can President send the bill back asking for clarifications of 20 pages? This will put the MAFIA in a fix.

[Shanmukh]

BJP may go with Congress. TDP is the only party that is consistently anti-Congress both at state and central level. Only instance they supported INC is to let PV Narasimha Rao win at Nandyal. TDP is the reason INC is going at full stream on T issue as TDP carries anti-Congressism gene as part of its ideology.

If BJP can't trust it, it is BJP's loss.

While CBN has not given support to Congress, the United Front Govts. of Deve Gowda and Gujral (in which TDP was a member) took support from the Congress. But that apart, it is an oversimplification that every opponent of the Congress is a supporter of BJP. Do you also count AUDF (a party of Bangladeshi immigrants and opposed to the Congress) also a BJP supporter?

The problem with CBN is that he suffers from frequent attacks of secularitis - often at the most inopportune moments for the BJP. When the BJP is strong or showing signs of growing, CBN allies with the BJP, but the moment the BJP shows signs of weakness, it gets thrown aside (has happened since the NTR days).

The BJP should take into account interests of SeemaAndhra (in this, I am with the poster whose picture was uploaded by Dasari-ji - BJP supporting this crime against SeemaAndhra is unforgivable). But the BJP should concentrate on building its own strength in SeemaAndhra, taking up its cause in a legitimate way, and not depend over much on CBN. One of the posters above posted that the Daggubati couple is joining BJP. This is good. Now the BJP has its chance. It should poach as much from everyone to build up its own strength in SeemaAndhra. The timing is perfect. It can go to town saying that its position in supporting SeemaAndhra interests would be greatly bolstered if the people of SeemaAndhra join it, since it is the only party capable of defending their interests, now that the Congress is throwing the region to the wolves. Emphasise that neither the YSR nor the TDP (no need to be shy) can defend the SeemaAndhra interests the way the BJP can.

CBN can come if and when he wants. CBN is incidental, SeemaAndhra interests are paramount, and BJP should be representing them. Hopefully, the SeemaAndhra people have also learnt not to invest only in the Congress, but to spread their bets a little.

[devesh]

^
If moderates listen to this tollywood song of unkown writer along with commie Gaddar's usual Biplava ballads , will the moderates raise up and bomb the mosque (in this case destroy Telugu cultural icons on tank bund and drive hundreds of impressionable students to suicide ?) and radicalise themselves ?

Ohh wait !! Never mind.

I posted that video as a somewhat comical/satirical interlude. you can take from it whatever you want.

[devesh]

BJP may go with Congress. TDP is the only party that is consistently anti-Congress both at state and central level. Only instance they supported INC is to let PV Narasimha Rao win at Nandyal. TDP is the reason INC is going at full stream on T issue as TDP carries anti-Congressism gene as part of its ideology.

If BJP can't trust it, it is BJP's loss.

While CBN has not given support to Congress, the United Front Govts. of Deve Gowda and Gujral (in which TDP was a member) took support from the Congress. But that apart, it is an oversimplification that every opponent of the Congress is a supporter of BJP. Do you also count AUDF (a party of Bangladeshi immigrants and opposed to the Congress) also a BJP supporter?

The problem with CBN is that he suffers from frequent attacks of secularitis - often at the most inopportune moments for the BJP. When the BJP is strong or showing signs of growing, CBN allies with the BJP, but the moment the BJP shows signs of weakness, it gets thrown aside (has happened since the NTR days).

The BJP should take into account interests of SeemaAndhra (in this, I am with the poster whose picture was uploaded by Dasari-ji - BJP supporting this crime against SeemaAndhra is unforgivable). But the BJP should concentrate on building its own strength in SeemaAndhra, taking up its cause in a legitimate way, and not depend over much on CBN. One of the posters above posted that the Daggubati couple is joining BJP. This is good. Now the BJP has its chance. It should poach as much from everyone to build up its own strength in SeemaAndhra. The timing is perfect. It can go to town saying that its position in supporting SeemaAndhra interests would be greatly bolstered if the people of SeemaAndhra join it, since it is the only party capable of defending their interests, now that the Congress is throwing the region to the wolves. Emphasise that neither the YSR nor the TDP (no need to be shy) can defend the SeemaAndhra interests the way the BJP can.

CBN can come if and when he wants. CBN is incidental, SeemaAndhra interests are paramount, and BJP should be representing them. Hopefully, the SeemaAndhra people have also learnt not to invest only in the Congress, but to spread their bets a little.

ok, so Seemandhra interests are "paramount". what about Telangana? or do we not count? or perhaps we should feel privileged that the noble SA is "saving our souls"?

[Shanmukh]

ok, so Seemandhra interests are "paramount". what about Telangana? or do we not count? or perhaps we should feel privileged that the noble SA is "saving our souls"?

Devesh-ji,
When I said `SeemaAndhra interests are paramount', I was speaking of CBN interests (or alliance with CBN interests) vs SeemaAndhra interests, not Telangana interests vs SeemaAndhra interests. I think the full context of my post makes that clear. CBN is incidental, SeemaAndhra is paramount. BJP should consider SeemaAndhra, not the alliance with CBN. What happens to TDP is no business of the BJP.

As for Telangana, I have already said I support a Telangana state in prior posts. I am genuinely annoyed that the BJP allied with CBN last time, and let the Telangana interests (which it represented to some degree previously) be hijacked by a charlatan like KCR (sorry if you like him, but he is one of the few people whose guts I utterly loathe. He is a man who has set fire to an entire region and turned an administrative division into a division of people). The exact modalities of the division should be worked out by negotiation. I support an administrative division. But I don't think Polavaram should be hijacked, or Hyderabad revenues should accrue only to Telangana, particularly in the short run. The whole thing should be solved by negotiation. That is how most states were carved out (including Jharkhand, Uttarakhand and Chhattisgarh). I don't think the KCR method is the way to go for Telangana.

[devesh]

^^^
KCR is an insect who will merge into Cong soon. I have indicated before that the old feudals will have factions among them. so there will be political splits as well. the V section is not big enough, especially in the modern democratic context. they will not reap the rewards which they expect to, from this division. if they don't realize the writing on the wall it will be a replay for hte 1940's. and this time, what is left of their political power will dry and wither away.

[Dasari]

ok, so Seemandhra interests are "paramount". what about Telangana? or do we not count? or perhaps we should feel privileged that the noble SA is "saving our souls"?

If BJP does justice to SA, does it mean injustice to T? Are there people on the other side of Krishna?Making sure that long outstanding Polavaram project is not suppressed under the anti SA rhetoric of T, sharing of Hyderabad revenues, some financial assistance to replace 50 years capital infrastructure that is lost in one stroke, making sure the students of SA are not left in cold are some of the basic needs for the new state.

For the Congress sending a message of punishing SA and rewarding T may get them votes in T, but how does it help BJP?

[devesh]

giving T is justice to T. is that injustice to SA?

how is giving T, punishing SA? if so, then how is keeping T in SA, not punishing T?

[Muppalla]

There will never be an end to why and why not . I think it was a saga on this forum since 2009. Let us all see the climax keeping good humor.

Here is the analogy for takers - INC tried to deliver T using SeemaAndhra leaders such as Botsa and KKR. The dramas and mess are all there to see.

Now BJP has put the decision making on passage of the bill to Venkiah Naidu a pure coastal man with a lot of experience in dealing with non congressism in AP with a political career of more than couple of decades. For unknown folks, he was instrumental in helping NTR survive Indira's TDP division by Nadendla Bhaskar Rao before anti-defection laws. He is the first in creating a hotel diplomacy. At his suggestion NTR/young-CBN took all TDP MLAs to Banglore resort so that NBR could not poach more.

Now Venkiah is the one who will deliver Telangana state to T-folks.

Venkaiah critical of Congress approach to Telangana

A few days ahead of the introduction of Telangana Bill in the Parliament, BJP senior leader M. Venkaiah Naidu took strong objection to the Congress party’s overall approach to the bifurcation process and dubbed the Bill approved by the Union Cabinet as ‘nothing but an empty hand’ shown by the ruling party to the aggrieved people of respective regions of Andhra Pradesh.

Listing out the concerns raised by the BJP, Mr. Naidu deplored that the Bill did not provide lawful protection to irrigation projects which were based on surplus waters of the Krishna river and which would be in risk as some leaders were saying they would review such projects after division.

He criticised the Centre for not making clear-cut financial commitments to the residuary Andhra Pradesh which would be left with nearly Rs. 7,000 crore deficit budget, a defect which was among the core concerns of Seemandhra people

Finally BJP of AP also getting into two eye theories. Why can't they understand that the SA folks should not be heard at all and just deliver T.

[Muppalla]

BJP and Telugu Desam shape alliance in Andhra Pradesh

At a meeting with BJP Andhra Pradesh unit office bearers last month, senior leader Venkaiah Naidu delivered a terse message stating that nobody should question who the BJP allies with.

Many in the gathering believe the diktat was for Kishan Reddy, the president of the state BJP, who has openly spoken about his aversion to an alliance with Chandrababu Naidu's Telugu Desam.

"All and sundry need not talk about who the BJP should or should not ally with in Andhra Pradesh. That decision will be taken by the central leadership," he had said.


Sources in both the Telugu Desam and the BJP have confirmed that the basic contours of an alliance are in place.

At a crucial meeting at Gujarat Bhavan in New Delhi last week, the TDP supremo laid out before Narendra Modi the roadmap for alliance to win 30 Lok Sabha seats from Andhra Pradesh.

While that may seem like painting a very rosy picture of the situation on the ground, political analysts believe Naidu is more desperate than Modi to seal the alliance.

Split opinions

But the engagement is unlikely to be announced till the fate of the crucial Telangana Bill, in the current session of Parliament, is known.

The BJP is still a house divided on the contentious issue of which way to go on Telangana. While one section argues that Telangana is a hot potato and should be left to the Congress to deal with, another believes that the BJP should promise that it will give its nod to Telangana while granting a fantastic deal for Seemandhra, within 100 days of coming to power.


The Seemandhra lobby in the TDP is pushing for the latter option with the BJP to buy time and goodwill in the region that sends 25 MPs to the Lok Sabha.

But Naidu has also been asked by the BJP to let Telangana be formed and consider boarding the Andhra Express and move to Delhi as a Union minister in a future NDA government - which is why Malkajgiri and Hindupur Lok Sabha seats are being looked at as safe seats for Naidu to contest from, should he take up that offer.

Vote share

With the BJP and the TDP getting back together after a decade, Naidu has realised that he needs to get the pro-Modi votes into his kitty, especially in Andhra Pradesh's urban pockets. This is one reason why he has taken a U-turn on the harsh words he spoke against the BJP in the aftermath of the 2004 debacle when it blamed BJP for the loss of minority votes.

The BJP has also realised that limiting itself to Telangana has not worked wonders for the party. In December, a senior state BJP leader was asked by party president Rajnath Singh to examine how an alliance with the TDP would help the party.

In his report, the leader was sceptical of the reach of the Telangana sentiment beyond five districts in the region.

"Large parts of Mahbubnagar, Ranga Reddy, Hyderabad city, Khammam, Adilabad and parts of Nizamabad have no significant Telangana sentiment," the report said.

The report also pointed out that the OBCs in Telangana are still with the TDP, and Naidu's vote share will help it put up a stiff challenge to a possible Congress-TRS alliance in the region.

In Seemandhra the TDP is facing a stiff challenge from Jaganmohan Reddy, and having Modi on its side could prove to be the gamechanger.

[devesh]

^^^
so, the reading of BJP is that "we need TDP", but "TDP also needs us".

it seems like a common sensical reading of the situation to me. let's see how things shape up. I think BJP should let TDP contest from a good chunk of seats from Telangana in exchange for BJP contesting a significant number of seats from SA.

without penetrating into SA, BJP will always remain a passive player. it can't afford to be. letting INC and TDP play their games in AP has let the situation come to what it currently is.

[Muppalla]

as far as I'm concerned, I told no lie. the separation of Telugu areas from Madras was born out of fear of Tamil domination. and that smoothly snowballed into the "telugu rashtram" because no better opportunity than to use the already roused emotions to join the politically and economically weaker Telangana while the weaker party could still be managed with "gentlemen agreements".

I respectfully disagree. I don't want to get into Tamil Vs Telugu things but it was a good thing for TN these folks went away as a separate state. Otherwise I will bet that today TN would be asking for a separate state from the colonialism of Telugus. The coastal folks does not work on fears. They create fears and use it. All this so called fight for resources, cities etc is to get more for the new residual state of AP and nothing more than that. This goes everywhere. When Railways were divided, SCR suddenly because biggest money earner than SR until an new zone for Karnataka was separated out. You have see more deeper.

They are asking to keep united or gimme more. Everyone is falling now and see BJP is saying the same. In the end T will form but watch the drama and see how much the richest state bordering T will become more richer with in no time. Venkiah Naidu of all is talking about clarity on water resources. Every drop that T or R wants, 10 drops will go to coast and that is the style of dealing and wheeling.

Keep watching this drama before and after division.

[Muppalla]

we have two with same name on BRF:

chaanakya

chanakyaa

Huh - my confusion is now gone.

[negi]

^ But which one of them is Chankian ?

[ramana]

The one who does not post in this thread.

[devesh]

The one who does not post in this thread.

I have the same feeling everytime I come here. one well wisher even told me to take a break several months ago. but it's become a bad habit.

[Shanmukh]

Okay - hedging begins. Let Bill clear RS, next govt. will take it to LS. Diggy to KCR.

http://www.sakshi.com/news/national/con ... -top-story

[devesh]

Okay - hedging begins. Let Bill clear RS, next govt. will take it to LS. Diggy to KCR.

http://www.sakshi.com/news/national/con ... -top-story

oh...INC is a devil alright. it would have been better if the bill hadn't been introduce at all. now, they want to clear one House but keep the other one for post-elections. this is Trishanku in all its glory.

this complicates things for BJP.

[Dasari]

Okay - hedging begins. Let Bill clear RS, next govt. will take it to LS. Diggy to KCR.

http://www.sakshi.com/news/national/con ... -top-story

So to give 17 MP șeats to TRS and Congress, BJP has to vote for the division and in return get zero in T. If they don't do, congress will accuse that BJP is responsible for the stalling, and BJP is afraid that in return they may get less than zero in T. Amazing isn't it? Why don't Sushma and Advani campaign directly for Rahul and stop wasting all of our time?

[kmkraoind]

Here is the 294-page Telangana bill/draft in PDF format

[Shanmukh]

So to give 17 MP șeats to TRS and Congress, BJP has to vote for the division and in return get zero in T. If they don't do, congress will accuse that BJP is responsible for the stalling, and BJP is afraid that in return they may get less than zero in T. Amazing isn't it? Why don't Sushma and Advani campaign directly for Rahul and stop wasting all of our time?

I was chatting with a red hot Telangana RSS guy today. He was open that they are going to vote for KCR, whether or not BJP votes for the bill. I asked him why BJP should then vote for the bill, if they were all either pro-Congress or pro-TRS. His answer was astonishing. Apparently, the BJP is on probation for even talking of SeemaAndhra interests. So, if the BJP behaves like a good boy now and votes for all the Telangana guys ask for, then KCR will take mercy on the BJP and ally with the BJP post poll. Talk about grand expectations.

I don't get some of these BJP antics. On the one hand, the BJP has put Venkaiah Naidu in charge of the negotiations for Telangana, and he is a hardcore Coastal Andhra guy. On the other hand, SS is saying they will vote for the Bill. To me, it indicates one of the two things. Either they are themselves divided and what we are seeing is a power struggle within the BJP (let us hope not), or else, the BJP is trying to maximise the price they can extract from the SeemaAndhra folks before they commit to voting for SeemaAndhra interests. In the latter case, it makes sense for the BJP to use SS like a boogeyman to get the best possible deal from the SeemaAndhra elites (and if that is the case, it has my full support - politics is not a game for the faint hearted). Getting powerful SeemaAndhra congressmen like Lagadapati, Rayapati, and Subbarami Reddy to join BJP should be a priority, and BJP may be using all its cards.

[Muppalla]

Okay - hedging begins. Let Bill clear RS, next govt. will take it to LS. Diggy to KCR.

http://www.sakshi.com/news/national/con ... -top-story

oh...INC is a devil alright. it would have been better if the bill hadn't been introduce at all. now, they want to clear one House but keep the other one for post-elections. this is Trishanku in all its glory.

this complicates things for BJP.

it is just no use. No complications. There is no need for new government to take up. There is also no need for BJP to vote. Even if it walks out the bill will fall through in RS

[kmkraoind]

BJP and Telugu Desam shape alliance in Andhra Pradesh

At a meeting with BJP Andhra Pradesh unit office bearers last month, senior leader Venkaiah Naidu delivered a terse message stating that nobody should question who the BJP allies with.

Many in the gathering believe the diktat was for Kishan Reddy, the president of the state BJP, who has openly spoken about his aversion to an alliance with Chandrababu Naidu's Telugu Desam.

"All and sundry need not talk about who the BJP should or should not ally with in Andhra Pradesh. That decision will be taken by the central leadership," he had said.

Sources in both the Telugu Desam and the BJP have confirmed that the basic contours of an alliance are in place.
.........

The BJP has also realised that limiting itself to Telangana has not worked wonders for the party. In December, a senior state BJP leader was asked by party president Rajnath Singh to examine how an alliance with the TDP would help the party.

In his report, the leader was sceptical of the reach of the Telangana sentiment beyond five districts in the region.

"Large parts of Mahbubnagar, Ranga Reddy, Hyderabad city, Khammam, Adilabad and parts of Nizamabad have no significant Telangana sentiment," the report said.

[Hari Seldon]

from twitter...

>>@ndtv: Anti-Telangana MPs break Rajya Sabha chairman's mic, tear papers
http://www.ndtv.com/article/cheat-sheet ... ers-481476 …

Lol!

[chaanakya]

It was AP which made UPA-2 Possible , the curse is upon them . How many BJP seats have they given or promised to give.? They have never invested in another national parties except Conigs and regional parties.

But BJP should think about its principles of smaller states when it divided three states despite demand not being as strong as is for Telangana. How will it answer to T folks? And whether SA is not going YSRC/Jagan ways? He attracted huge rallies. Everybody surmised that jagan might merge in Congis a later date. Who knows?

AP will have this issue of curse which is already there upon BJP not having proper representation in state politics. Blame is on BJP as much as on AP. But that does not mean their fortune will change overnight by one vote sought by few desperate people.

Chaanakya ji,
Quite interesting.
Please to elucidate this curse of supporting UPA theory more.

Wonder what happened to the punya phal of CBN giving outside support for NDA1 for 6 years.
Wonder if BJP was in a position to make govt after 2009 would CBN again given outside support (against the wishes of his votebanks in some pockets as he did previously). Ahh What if What if What if ...

What made him do a Niku in the seventh year? Did he suddenly catch secularitis like Niku did.Use and throw, is that what their principles are

But keeping aside all quid pro quo theories Chaanakya ji, can a single set of people be alienated from their own people by presiding over a blatantly unfair and unreasoned acrimonious political division for nothing but political gains by the unconcerned center hain ji?

Since when Division has not been acrimonious unreasoned or political? hain ji. Did you mean that reorganisation on linguistic ground was not such.And how come only language become reason and not the other grounds. What happened in last three division, the most peaceful one, if I recall

Wonder what was the thing with partition of Bengal against reason by briturds and against bengali people's wishes and how it led to Muslim leagues domination in east Bengal since and finally 1947 ?

Ah Demography and that is the challenge before India. And whether 1947 was only East Bengal? What happened to West Punjab?

Wonder if all the chankian theories being propounded about the benefits of partitioning Telugu people given by various commie inclined types here and else where can nevereverever throw up an acrimonious situation ready to be exploited by outsiders as in Bengal of 1906 , hain ji?

Are they united as Telugu people? I don't see even on this forum where it becomes clear who is who
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Bomb the mosque
One of the loins gave a similar theory in Four lions ( a movie)
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Similar theory to above in this dhaga below.
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Split the people.
People will kill each other , moderates will be radicalised and loyalities will come out.
Finally surviving people if not exhausted with infighting will unite against their Ashrafi arch enemy and go on to wage a dhramyudhh.

Yeah right .

I can only sympathise if that is what Telugu people want, more violence.

[chaanakya]

They are asking to keep united or gimme more. Everyone is falling now and see BJP is saying the same. In the end T will form but watch the drama and see how much the richest state bordering T will become more richer with in no time. Venkiah Naidu of all is talking about clarity on water resources. Every drop that T or R wants, 10 drops will go to coast and that is the style of dealing and wheeling.

Keep watching this drama before and after division.

That seems more close to the situation. In the end T will happen. That is my whole point.

[chaanakya]

The one who does not post in this thread.

Wrong, the one who does not come on this forum.

[chaanakya]

we have two with same name on BRF:

chaanakya

chanakyaa

Huh - my confusion is now gone.

[Lilo]

Chaanakya ji,
If you go by a certain commie ideologue in this dhaga "theorizing" that Telugu people are a bunch of casteiest bigots who will cut each others throats publicly given a chance rather than settle on a stupid issue of a new capital in a residual state , you will surely step on dog ***. But that is if you take this dhaga as representative of AP.

But the fact is that its hardly.
All I see are bitter individual massaland based egos and obsessions for parochial "their" - stoked by bitterness and revulsions against "other" as seen in Massaland based pissing contests of overbearingly casteist elitist regionalist dens populated by SA origin nouveau rich in TANA et al.
So when some one predicts that "elites of AP" will show their "true colors" in "glorious" nights of longknives with elites gunning and running after each other , he is referring to aforementioned Massaland based dhagas and their drawing room parties and hoping for extrapolating a same situation for the streets of Andhra Pradesh.

Now consider the real public opinion in the last major election (in 2009) (already mentioned by Muppala ji in a recenst post) when Tvaadis in Telangana proper (not New Jersey or some other good ole jolly place in Massaland) dominatly represented by TRS were given a sound trashing by the electorate of Telangana itself ?

Taking lessons from their drubbing in 2009 , Tvaadis have since floored the pedal in deliberately stoking and inflaming the opinion on their side to push through the state division asap on their terms by blackmailing rest of the AP people using the fact that majority of pvt investments of business and allied classes are physically falling in or linked to Hyderabad.Tvaadis believe they can use this threat of imminent violence in Hyderabad to ransom their demands from rest of AP. Eye wonder how many massa based Tvaadis contributed to this plan by suggesting the tactically brilliant Million Man March event and wanton destruction inflicted in Hyderabad to serve as a reminder of the ever hanging threat to violently usurp and divest assets and lives(too) of SAs in Hyderabad if push comes to shove in the future negotiations.

All this contrived - "Outttraaaage" so "Jihaaaaad on SAs" theories being spewed here along with linked commie Biplav songs (blatantly giving a short shift to Truth as opposed to the need of rousing Biplavness and the hatered for the other) are for above end.
After all ...the capacity to engender hatered by commies for serving to reach their strategi-tactical goals is potent enough to make the adherents eat liver bhujia and khaleja fry of their opponents(as seen in Maos China) - may be we will see such scenes inflicted in Hyderabad in the future - who knows.

Coming to NOW:
Who will bear the 7000 Cr per year deficit (mentioned in one of the News artecals posted recently)in residual AP Budget when Hyderabad and its revenues are "given" to Telangana ?
Who will bear the capital expenditure for new capital and the additional bureaucratic head load to be created for making a new state work?
Why should rest of the country including Bihar bear it?

Obviously new Telangana state must bear it based on its acquisition of revenue generating Hyderabad (and its infrastructure) from the old AP state. I don't see the current commie Tvaadi lot ever accepting such a plan just because of their bitterness and hatered to the "other".
However if you Chaanakya ji are willing to broker such a deal based on natural justice , you can personally come and play the Radcliff for the current division process - SAs will jump up and sign it .

At the end it comes to this.
If a fire is deliberately set to a portion of a house , the obvious thing is to douse the flames.
Not warm ones limbs over it (like various outside people and political parties are doing it) , nor douse it with more kerosene to make it burn faster so that they can claim their share of ashen ground (as T vaadis ably lead by 'insects' of TRS are doing - BTW if KCR's TRS are insects wonder why his sound bites on "ideological basis of T "struggle" totally match those of noninsects here hain ji?) or build a brick wall separating the burning portion from the rest (as BJP is trying to do).

But if you struck in existential quandry because of CBN's "betrayal" when he came out of the alliance citing secularitis in the 7th year faced with unexpected and devastating loss to his betenoire congressis to consolidate his votebanks...and finally fallback on Devesh ji's line - that there can be "Justice" for T people(in Massaland) only by meteing injustice to rest of AP people back in India, then I have nothing more to say.
Even if the average chaddi less kid playing on the streets in SA in fact comes from the legendary uber rich ,the 10 times more rich (almost as rich as New Jerseyite ) SA lands as Muppala ji quaintly puts it.

PS: Regarding imminent installation of Sonia amma (The sister of Telangana talli) statue on Tankbund:
Devesh ji ,please to pass on my advise to the OU commies to also build a statue for "Unknown Suicided Telangana Student" (more suicides are necessary for water issues, revenue issues, and other random H&D issues against the dutty SAs in the future, so advice you to keep the Martyr name plaque open ended). Eye hope Tvaadis don't forget how they managed to transform T into an "emotive" issue (to convince Chaanakya ji etal that Telugus are not united) using their 1000 dead bodies.Although its completely different IF you WANT to forget it ,then I have nothing more to say .

However i demand that Sonia amma's statue must be given a special place among the pantheon of Telugu nay Whatever culture to be installed in place of dutty SA elites like Sri Krishna Devaraya as picked by commie/crpto islamist of OU with honorary recommendations from you.
It should be specially housed in a ornately carved kovil to keep it untainted from natural elements and especially acidic Rock Pigeon poo and street Dog piss , it must also have enough space (space is a constraint on the promenade of tank bund but you have to manage somehow) for atleast one person at a time to do shaasthang pranam in total gratitude say on her Birthday of December 9th on which Telengana formation was announced by Chidu in 2009 for the succor of an enervated TRS (which will be hitherto celebrated as Telangana Prakatana Dinotsavam - translated as "Telangana Announcement Day" for joo NonTelangana speaking Telugu's and rest of the idiots of this country).

Devesh ji, In the meantime I will keep my powder dry back in AP lands and wait for your signal from massaland in this dhaga for that dawn of Red October Day when elites will vanish by killing each other (or getting killed by boredom) and common people from Telangana and SA will finally stop pulling at the remaining hair of each other on streets of T and SA due to T issue repercussions and fall in line to fight at the vanguard of the Yindoo Red Army against the remaining Ashrafi ClassEnemies.

Laal Salaam!!