AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 10 Feb 2014 20:32

Looks like President approved the bill. It will reintroduced in RS tomorrow. Looks like a deal has been made by CONs with BJP. BJP has to really blame themselves if they let CON MAFIA get 17 seats in Telangana

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 10 Feb 2014 20:59

Yeah .

President gives the nod to Telangana Bill

President Pranab Mukherjee has given his go-ahead to the Telangana Bill, which could now be tabled in the Parliament tomorrow.

The development comes on a day Prime Minister Manmohan Singh is expected to meet top BJP leaders for dinner to seek their support for the passage of the crucial Telangana Bill and other anti-corruption legislations in the final session of Parliament before Lok Sabha polls.

The Prime Minister reportedly called up senior BJP leader L.K. Advani and Leaders of the Opposition in both Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha Sushma Swaraj and Arun Jaitley respectively last night to invite them for dinner at his residence, according to sources.

They said the dinner meeting was earlier scheduled for Monday but was postponed due to non-availability of Advani, who was away in his Gandhinagar constituency.

The government has reportedly agreed to BJP's demands on amendments to the Andhra Pradesh Re-organisation Bill, 2013, and the Prime Minister during his meeting with the BJP leaders is likely to assure them that their concerns regarding justice to Seemandhra region will be addressed.

While BJP has made its stand clear by backing formation of Telangana, it has put conditions to support the bill, saying concerns of people from the Seemandhra region be addressed specifically in the legislation and the quantum of financial package be clearly spelt out.

The Telangana Bill is likely to be tabled in the Rajya Sabha over the next day or two. The Union Cabinet had cleared the Bill last Friday and the government sent it to the President for his approval before its introduction in Parliament.

Disruptions continued in both Houses of Parliament over the Telangana issue ever since the session commenced on February 5. The government wants to clear the bill on priority after having announced the decision to bifurcate Andhra Pradesh, given that this is the last session before the scheduled Lok Sabha elections.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 11 Feb 2014 00:02

No Telangana bill in Parliament today

The Centre has decided not to table the Telangana Bill in Rajya Sabha today despite President Pranab Mukherjee giving his approval to the controversial legislation on Monday.

The government has instead decided to refer the matter to the Law Ministry since there were contending opinions within the UPA over whether or not the legislation is a money bill.

A money bill, or legislations with financial implications, can be introduced only in Lok Sabha.

Anti-Telangana protests prevented any substantial business in Parliament yesterday. In the Rajya Sabha, TDP members held up placards reading "We want United Andhra Pradesh" and shouted slogans during protests that saw some members tearing papers and breaking the chairman's mic.

The government has nine working days to debate and pass the bill before the end of this session, its last chance to deliver on its Telangana promise before the national election, due by May.

The BJP has reportedly asked for six changes in the bill, which includes the provision for a financial package for the Seemandhra region, or the area combining the two non-Telangana districts. PM Manmohan Singh is expected to reach out to the party at a dinner hosted by him on Wednesday.

The Centre is reportedly worried that for its support to Telangana, the BJP may want a slew of anti-corruption bills that it described as "Rahul Gandhi's poll agenda" to be dropped.

Andhra Pradesh Chief Minister Kiran Kumar Reddy and other Seemandhra Congress leaders have been trying to stall the bill's introduction in Parliament hoping that the state will head into the election undivided, sparing them the wrath of voters worried about losing power, water and other resources from Telangana. Seemandhra MPs have even submitted notice for a no-confidence motion against the PM.

The Congress last week refused to designate Hyderabad a union territory. It will be a shared capital for the next 10 years between the old and new state but its revenue is unlikely to be divided, said sources.

Government employees in Seemandhra, which combines Rayalaseema and coastal Andhra, have started an indefinite strike against the state's bifurcation.

disha · Post by **disha** » 11 Feb 2014 00:59

I think BJP is playing good politics given that AP has sent *NO* single BJP MP to LS. If SA guys do a lot of rona-dhona - they themselves have to blame for trusting the CongI dhongis (time and again).

First., asking for a financial package as an amendment to the bill will make it a "money bill" which RS cannot pass. There is no need to pass the bill as it is without the amendments (so the bill will not pass without amendments being insisted).

Two, Sending the bill to LS will raise the necessary din. Hopefully the bill is lost in the din. Also #pappu's pet bills will be lost - including the CVB type of bills. The point is Telangana bill is important but there are several NACxalite bills that need to be defeated as well.

If the T-Bill is passed with amendments incl. a financial package for SA (and loss of #pappu bills)., they could be tom-tomm'ed in SA by TDP+BJP. In worst case CongIs will get all 17 seats from Telangana.

But look at this way, instead of getting 40 LS seats from AP, they will now get 17. But everywhere else they are showing loss and they may still end up winning the battle but losing the war!

Vamsi.R · Post by **Vamsi.R** » 11 Feb 2014 02:40

if T-bill is passed and if TDP goes along with BJP in elections they will fail pretty badly....this is a sensitive issue and people's feelings and emotions will play bigger role than talk of development and growth

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Feb 2014 02:42

Politics party has it own take on the whole issue.
http://www.politicsparty.com/shownews.php?newsid=367

He wonders whether BJP is on fast trak to commit suicide by helping INC get the separation done with before 2014 elections.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 11 Feb 2014 03:02

Even if T is given congress is not going to 17 in Telangana.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 11 Feb 2014 03:10

Muppalla wrote:Even if T is given congress is not going to 17 in Telangana.

They are limiting themselves in 17-seat T area with hope of INC+TRS+MIM+YSRC reaching 20-25 seats. For political purpose they gave up Seemandhra with the hope that in the future they can get YSRC and residual INC back into its fold.

With the bill, Congress is essentially challenging BJP whether BJP wants to take 0 or 25. Whether Congress+ gets 17 in T and BJP+TDP gets 25 in SA is elections time issue but Congress is asking BJP to make choice.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 11 Feb 2014 03:19

ShyamSP wrote:
Muppalla wrote:Even if T is given congress is not going to 17 in Telangana.
They are limiting themselves in 17-seat T area with hope of INC+TRS+MIM+YSRC reaching 20-25 seats. For political purpose they gave up Seemandhra with the hope that in the future they can get YSRC and residual INC back into its fold.

ShyamSP-ji,
BJP has apparently been proposing amendments for Polavaram (areas should be transferred to SeemaAndhra), Hyderabad revenues sharing, students from SeemaAndhra getting access to Telangana colleges for a certain duration of time, a large financial package for SeemaAndhra, etc. Will that have any effect on SeemaAndhra anger? I don't know if this is tactical - time stalling, or if they genuinely mean it. But they are proposing amendments and want to debate all of them.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 11 Feb 2014 03:29

nageshks wrote:
ShyamSP wrote:
They are limiting themselves in 17-seat T area with hope of INC+TRS+MIM+YSRC reaching 20-25 seats. For political purpose they gave up Seemandhra with the hope that in the future they can get YSRC and residual INC back into its fold.
ShyamSP-ji,
BJP has apparently been proposing amendments for Polavaram (areas should be transferred to SeemaAndhra), Hyderabad revenues sharing, students from SeemaAndhra getting access to Telangana colleges for a certain duration of time, a large financial package for SeemaAndhra, etc. Will that have any effect on SeemaAndhra anger? I don't know if this is tactical - time stalling, or if they genuinely mean it. But they are proposing amendments and want to debate all of them.

If BJP can get revenue-sharing from Hyderabad for next 25 years, rest are meaningless. Center doesn't need to provide any other packages.

Polavaram is more than 25 year old project, they are linking it as if it is a bargaining deal instead of independent water project.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 11 Feb 2014 05:15

Telangana bill woes worsen for the UPA govt

Time is running out for a hapless UPA govt over the Telangana bill, and the latest observation by the Rajya Sabha secretariat -- that the bill has financial implications and so must be introduced and passed in the Lok Sabha first -- has only worsened the crisis for the ruling alliance. Anita Katyal reports.

The United Progressive Alliance government’s plan to table the controversial Andhra Reorganisation Bill in the Rajya Sabha on Tuesday has run into fresh trouble.

The ruling alliance has been forced to defer its introduction after the Rajya Sabha secretariat asked the Union law ministry to clarify if the proposed bill involved financial implication.

A money bill has to be necessarily introduced and passed in the Lok Sabha first.

UPA sources told Rediff.com that there are two views in the government on this issue. Law Minister Kapil Sibal had told the last Cabinet meeting which cleared the Telangana Bill that the legislation had direct financial implications and, therefore, should first go to the Lok Sabha. He was, however, overruled by Finance Minister P Chidambaram who argued that this qualified as a “B” category bill which had “consequential financial implications” and could, therefore, be introduced and passed in the Rajya Sabha first.

This argument has been revived with the Rajya Sabha seeking a clarification from the law ministry on Monday night.

The UPA government’s senior leaders were huddled in a late night meeting on Monday to resolve this issue but the discussion remained inconclusive. It was, therefore decided to defer the bill till there was greater clarity on the points raised by the Rajya Sabha secretariat.

Having been embarrassed on the Prevention of Communal Violence Bill last week, the ruling alliance does not want to take any chances on this politically crucial legislation.

Congress sources told Rediff.com that the government had originally decided to table the bill in the Rajya Sabha first as it felt it had it had a better chance of getting it passed here since the number of anti-Telangana MPs in the Upper House is smaller as compared to the Lok Sabha.

The latest glitch has once again shown how the Congress-led UPA government has bungled in handling the Telangana statehood issue. Its own chief minister Kiran Kumar Reddy has defied the party leadership by openly opposing the division of Andhra Pradesh while the Seemandhra region is in a state of turmoil as the ruling alliance has failed to get all the stakeholders on board.

However, political compulsions have pushed the Congress leadership into pursuing its plans to bifurcate Andhra Pradesh before the upcoming Lok Sabha polls. In fact, the ruling alliance is racing against time. Although the ongoing winter session of Parliament ends on February 21, it has become imperative for the UPA government to get the Telangana bill passed this week itself as the vote-on-account has been scheduled for February 17.

Once this financial business is completed, no MP will be interested in participating in the ongoing Parliament session as they will all be keen to hit the campaign trail for the upcoming Lok Sabha elections.

Well aware of this constraint, the Congress is trying to placate its protesting MPs from Seemandhra while Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has invited senior Bharatiya Janata Party leaders L K Advani, Rajnath Singh, Sushma Swaraj and Arun Jaitley for lunch on Wednesday to enlist their party’s support in the passage of the statehood bill.

The government needs the BJP’s help in the Upper House as the ruling alliance does not have the numbers to push it through on its own.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 11 Feb 2014 05:15

Hyderabad will become UT. nobody will get it. if KCR is expecting to have a fiefdom there, he is sorely mistaken. the Ashrafs are higher in the pecking order.

but that in itself will not be enough ignite any bitterness on his part. he has inherited Ashraf-bootlicking in his genes. he will be faithful to the new Nawabs no matter what. and in turn will fatten himself.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 11 Feb 2014 05:28

devesh wrote:Hyderabad will become UT. nobody will get it. if KCR is expecting to have a fiefdom there, he is sorely mistaken. the Ashrafs are higher in the pecking order.

but that in itself will not be enough ignite any bitterness on his part. he has inherited Ashraf-bootlicking in his genes. he will be faithful to the new Nawabs no matter what. and in turn will fatten himself.

UT is terrible compared to revenue-sharing and joint capital. INC is having UT idea propped up by Chiru like lackey leaders. UT benefits those with large assets in Hyderabad but doesn't benefit Seemandhra.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 11 Feb 2014 06:12

Is this true?

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 11 Feb 2014 06:50

As usual "Vajpayee Congresss" of BJP to rescue Sonia.

UPA Government reaches pact with BJP on Telangana

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... aign=cppst

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 11 Feb 2014 07:22

Most likly phy-ops by media. I am not sure NM will allow this and lose some25-30 seats to mafia and its b teams. Nothing on Tv Telugu channels this morning. Just wait and see in parliament. I wonder what speaker will do on no confidence motion notice given by mafia own MPs and TDP MPs. Will BJP support their explution??? It it does welcome to UPA3 which may be desire of D4.

Further the reports say BJP people were invited to dinner to discuss this matter. Why dinner when a deal is already reached?

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 11 Feb 2014 07:50

Narayana Rao wrote:Most likly phy-ops by media. I am not sure NM will allow this and lose some25-30 seats to mafia and its b teams. Nothing on Tv Telugu channels this morning. Just wait and see in parliament. I wonder what speaker will do on no confidence motion notice given by mafia own MPs and TDP MPs. Will BJP support their explution??? It it does welcome to UPA3 which may be desire of D4.

Further the reports say BJP people were invited to dinner to discuss this matter. Why dinner when a deal is already reached?

I can't understand a word but as per this link "BJP to oppose T bill....LKA ordered AJ..asked him not to play Cong bill" "https://twitter.com/Bala406/status/433070564689735680"

http://www.andhrajyothy.com/node/64281

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 11 Feb 2014 07:52

BJP to oppose T Bill

http://www.andhrajyothy.com/node/64281

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 11 Feb 2014 07:55

If BJP does not support it this bill will not be passed in Rajya Sabha at least. Lok Sabha also doubtful.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 11 Feb 2014 07:57

Advani finally speaks on this. looks like there still are some intricate wheels within BJP.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 11 Feb 2014 09:21

Okay, folks, looks like battle lines are getting drawn in Andhra finally. TRS chief KCR's son went to meet Sonia todin, and if my sources are to be believed, touched her feet (Did he also sing
त्वद्भृत्य भृत्य परिचारक भृत्य भृत्य
भृत्यस्य भृत्य इति मां स्मर सोनियाजी।? I will leave it to the forum members to guess what I am parodying here).

The topic of discussion was what KCR and family would get post Telangana, in lieu of the merger of TRS into Congress. So - the Congress is certain to introduce the Bill and will give it a good shot at passing it, BJP or no BJP.

Dasari · Post by **Dasari** » 11 Feb 2014 10:07

Either they are stupid to do this to provoke BJP to vote against the bill or they are so sure about the stupidity of BJP to support the bill. We will know which one in a week.

member_28352 · Post by **member_28352** » 11 Feb 2014 10:46

^^^BJP may do something chunkian like abstaining from voting. Moral of the story is not to count on BJP support for anything. Regional parties make for far more predictable allies in these one off confrontations.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 11 Feb 2014 11:34

TDP MP Gives Notice Against T-bill in RS
http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/ ... vnEQoV5jih
...
Seemandhra TDP Rajya Sabha member CM Ramesh has given notice under Rule 67 of the Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business in the Council of States, opposing introduction of the AP Reorganisation Bill in the Rajya Sabha.

Speaking to reporters here on Sunday, he had given notice under Rule 67 to Rajya Sabha secretary general on February 6 itself. He has information that President Pranab Mukherjee granted permission to the Centre to introduce the T-bill in the Rajya Sabha and the Centre was planning to do it on Monday, he said

President himself is violating constitution. India has gone to dogs.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 11 Feb 2014 18:00

Congress expels six Andhra Pradesh MPs opposing Telangana

Congress on Tuesday expelled six Lok Sabha MPs from Andhra Pradesh who opposed creation of Telangana and had given a notice of no-confidence motion against the government.

The MPs expelled by Congress president Sonia Gandhi are Lagadapati Rajagopal (Vijayawada), Rayapati Sambasiva Rao (Guntur), A. Saipratap (Rajampet), Vundavalli Aruna Kumar (Rajahmundry), G.V.Harsha Kumar (Amalapuram) and Sabbam Hari (Anakapalli).

Mr. Hari and some other members had given a notice of no-confidence motion against the government a few days back.

With the decision to expel the MPs, the Congress apparently seeks to send a strong message to party members including Andhra Pradesh Chief Minister N. Kiran Kumar Reddy who are fiercely opposing creation of Telangana even as the party has made up its mind on the issue.

Meanwhile, contrary to earlier expectations, the Telangana bill will now be introduced in Lok Sabha first instead of Rajya Sabha with the government seeking a fresh recommendation from the President after the Upper House secretariat has held it as a money bill.Sources said the move comes after questions were raised over the constitutionality of introducing the bill first in the Upper House.

NC, Trinamool to oppose Telangana bill in Parliament

In an embarassment to the UPA government, Union Minister Farooq Abdullah on Monday spoke against its decision to divide Andhra Pradesh and create Telangana, saying, the state should not be divided when its people do not want it

Trinamool Congress on Monday said it would oppose in Parliament the Telangana Bill seeking to bifurcate Andhra Pradesh.“We are for united India and our party will oppose the Telangana Bill in Parliament,” party spokesperson Derek O’Brien said.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 11 Feb 2014 18:03

T S Sudhir ‏@Iamtssudhir 8m
Attack at TDP office in Hyd by pro-Telangana lawyers. Assault on @JP_LOKSATTA in Delhi. Why this, when the T Bill is abt to be tabled in LS?

T S Sudhir ‏@Iamtssudhir 4h
The Congress has systematically demolished its House of 33 MPs from Andhra Pradesh. Two went to YSRC, two to TRS and now 6 expelled.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 11 Feb 2014 18:17

Two Qs for our resident Andhra experts.

1) Only 6 of the 19 SeemaAndhra MPs from Cong. have opposed the Telangana carve out and have been expelled. Is this all the opposition we can expect from the Congress? Or are there other hidden MPs who can be expected to vote against the Bill when it is introduced in Lok Sabha. Personally, I am not seeing any real opposition to the Cong. agenda. Most have accepted the upcoming division, and are meekly toeing the party line. What happened to the others like Ananta Venkatarami Reddy, etc, who were initially fighting for SeemaAndhra? And what about ministers? Pallam Raju, Chiranjeevi, Subbarami Reddy? All have fallen in line?

2) Forget for the moment the BJP's vacillations. Let us assume for the moment that the BJP does get its act together and vote against the Bill. In the aftermath, what voteshare (note I am not talking about an alliance with TDP, just BJP alone) do you think BJP can garner in SeemaAndhra?

Thanks in advance for your opinions.

Dasari · Post by **Dasari** » 11 Feb 2014 18:33

nageshks wrote:Two Qs for our resident Andhra experts.

1) Only 6 of the 19 SeemaAndhra MPs from Cong. have opposed the Telangana carve out and have been expelled. Is this all the opposition we can expect from the Congress? Or are there other hidden MPs who can be expected to vote against the Bill when it is introduced in Lok Sabha. Personally, I am not seeing any real opposition to the Cong. agenda. Most have accepted the upcoming division, and are meekly toeing the party line. What happened to the others like Ananta Venkatarami Reddy, etc, who were initially fighting for SeemaAndhra? And what about ministers? Pallam Raju, Chiranjeevi, Subbarami Reddy? All have fallen in line?

2) Forget for the moment the BJP's vacillations. Let us assume for the moment that the BJP does get its act together and vote against the Bill. In the aftermath, what voteshare (note I am not talking about an alliance with TDP, just BJP alone) do you think BJP can garner in SeemaAndhra?

Thanks in advance for your opinions.

1. The remaining MPs are bound by servility to Gandhi family. Panabaka, Killi Krupa Rani, JD seelam, Pallam Raju, Kavuri and Kotla have minister positions. They do lip service. Botsa Jansi cannot open mouth and when she did, she already said that in no circumstances that she will go against Sonia. The Botsa think think that they can win with money and liquor. I've some hope for Purandareswari as there are strong rumors that she is joining BJP. Rest have no guts. I only wish six more congress MPS give no confidence motion. But that is my wildest dream.

2. In order to win a seat, one has to get 32-38% vote share. This is true even under intense triangular fight which would be the norm in the coming elections. On its own, BJP at best can garner 10-15% vote, mostly in urban areas. They need another ally to bring the total tally to 32+%. Otherwise they may have impressive total number of votes in SA but none converted to seats. The only exception would be few popular persons who can use the Modi wave and win on their own. For example Krishnam Raju can win.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 11 Feb 2014 19:12

In some ways it is indeed a victory for BJP that the AP Reorganization Bill would have to be introduced in Lok Sabha, and not in Rajya Sabha, as it is considered a 'Money Bill'.

Now Congress would have to deal with the pandemonium in Lok Sabha - 6 Congress MPs, 6 TDP MPs, 2 YSRCP MPs. So at least these guys would be bringing the house down with their vocal cords.

Once Lok Sabha deals with that, it is all a game of numbers. If BJP plays coy, INC would have to look for numbers elsewhere.

How Third Front votes on the issue could determine whether Congress can push through the bill or not. NC, TMC have already said they would vote against the bill.

BJP has to look at the issue of Telangana from a purely electoral perspective.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 11 Feb 2014 19:13

Dasari wrote: 1. The remaining MPs are bound by servility to Gandhi family. Panabaka, Killi Krupa Rani, JD seelam, Pallam Raju, Kavuri and Kotla have minister positions. They do lip service. Botsa Jansi cannot open mouth and when she did, she already said that in no circumstances that she will go against Sonia. The Botsa think think that they can win with money and liquor. I've some hope for Purandareswari as there are strong rumors that she is joining BJP. Rest have no guts. I only wish six more congress MPS give no confidence motion. But that is my wildest dream.

Thank you, Dasari-ji. I am hearing similar things. I think Chinta Mohan (Tirupathi MP) said that he is a good servant and will go with the commands of his mistress. I had a lot of faith that some of the ministers would discover their guts, but that does not appear to be the case. I feel truly annoyed with Subbarami Reddy (my family and his have been close for 30+ years now), but even he does not seem to have the courage to go against the Mafia queen.

2. In order to win a seat, one has to get 32-38% vote share. This is true even under intense triangular fight which would be the norm in the coming elections. On its own, BJP at best can garner 10-15% vote, mostly in urban areas. They need another ally to bring the total tally to 32+%. Otherwise they may have impressive total number of votes in SA but none converted to seats. The only exception would be few popular persons who can use the Modi wave and win on their own. For example Krishnam Raju can win.

Thanks, Dasari-ji. Yes, this is again what I am hearing. The BJP can get around 15% of the votes, but not many seats. In fact, i personally think they can still go alone with this. If the BJP, on its own, can get 2 MP seats (maybe the BJP can poach on those whom the Congress has expelled to win 1/2 seats? Sabbam Hari, Lagadapati, and Rayapati are people with half decent chances themselves, I should think, and they are favourable towards the BJP. Sai Pratap will probably go with Jagan. Not sure what Harsha Kumar will do) and 10-15 MLA seats on its own, I shall be more than satisfied with the BJP performance. The principal thing that the BJP should do this time is to establish itself as party of significance in SeemaAndhra.

On that related note, if the BJP went on its own with the poached Congressmen (and poached anyone else), and its existing organisation, whose vote would it end up stealing? Remaining Congress? Praja Rajyam bits? Jagan's vote? Or the TDP vote? Would appreciate your thoughts, Dasari-ji.

In the end, I would like to say that BJP non-existence in SeemaAndhra and their overt focus on Telangana has always annoyed me. The SeemaAndhra is like Gujarat, with a ruthless competitive spirit, and a strong business focus, but their existing relationships were all locked up in Congress and TDP (and to an extent, Jagan). Now those relationships are all broken, and everything is in a flux. I would like the BJP to utilise this opportunity to build the party, using its pro-business credentials. Ideally, SeemaAndhra with its demographic profile, should be the southern Gujarat for the BJP.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 11 Feb 2014 19:18

nageshks wrote:I would like the BJP to utilise this opportunity to build the party, using its pro-business credentials. Ideally, SeemaAndhra with its demographic profile, should be the southern Gujarat for the BJP.

Yes, BJP should be aggressive on this.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 11 Feb 2014 21:25

nageshks wrote:Two Qs for our resident Andhra experts.

1) Only 6 of the 19 SeemaAndhra MPs from Cong. have opposed the Telangana carve out and have been expelled. Is this all the opposition we can expect from the Congress? Or are there other hidden MPs who can be expected to vote against the Bill when it is introduced in Lok Sabha. Personally, I am not seeing any real opposition to the Cong. agenda. Most have accepted the upcoming division, and are meekly toeing the party line. What happened to the others like Ananta Venkatarami Reddy, etc, who were initially fighting for SeemaAndhra? And what about ministers? Pallam Raju, Chiranjeevi, Subbarami Reddy? All have fallen in line?

2) Forget for the moment the BJP's vacillations. Let us assume for the moment that the BJP does get its act together and vote against the Bill. In the aftermath, what voteshare (note I am not talking about an alliance with TDP, just BJP alone) do you think BJP can garner in SeemaAndhra?

Thanks in advance for your opinions.

none has fallen in line. They will also damage at the right time. There are certain caste configs under play here. But when it comes to damging INC there will be no stopping this time.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 12 Feb 2014 04:08

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 12 Feb 2014 05:42

TDP People from t areas have met LKA and was told that this bill is the worst one he has seen in his political life. Not going to support this one. Expelling the MPs from party is the first step for disqualification under anti defection law. Are they doing that? No news. No one cares for congress membership in AP anyway. Mafia has to understand that it will have membership of people whom it can give some benifits. As its loses its power to do so its people will go away. If it actively damage their interests they will rebel. It seems this simple things they have not factored. What happing to the famous manipulative brains of mafia. Seems termite queen internally damaged mafia very badly.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 12 Feb 2014 05:47

^^^
wow, that's a hel* of an endorsement.

Dasari · Post by **Dasari** » 12 Feb 2014 06:24

Narayana Rao wrote:TDP People from t areas have met LKA and was told that this bill is the worst one he has seen in his political life. Not going to support this one. Expelling the MPs from party is the first step for disqualification under anti defection law. Are they doing that? No news. No one cares for congress membership in AP anyway. Mafia has to understand that it will have membership of people whom it can give some benifits. As its loses its power to do so its people will go away. If it actively damage their interests they will rebel. It seems this simple things they have not factored. What happing to the famous manipulative brains of mafia. Seems termite queen internally damaged mafia very badly.

I don't think they will be under the purview of anti defection law, because they didn't defect to any other party. In fact niw they have freedom to go anywhere as they were expelled. At least that is that my understanding of anti-defection law. I could be wrong.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 12 Feb 2014 07:33

devesh wrote:^^^
wow, that's a hel* of an endorsement.

which one? the expulsion from the party is certainly a heck on an endoresement in SA for sure.

Or that weird tweet from an unverified account from amisha dame?

Dasari · Post by **Dasari** » 12 Feb 2014 07:55

nageshks wrote: On that related note, if the BJP went on its own with the poached Congressmen (and poached anyone else), and its existing organisation, whose vote would it end up stealing? Remaining Congress? Praja Rajyam bits? Jagan's vote? Or the TDP vote? Would appreciate your thoughts, Dasari-ji.

I think it will cross all those parties, but biggest loser will be congress. Execpt those six that got expelled and barring few, none of the remaining SA congress MPs can win on any party ticket. But these six can easily win. Even before the explusion, i'm noticing that these six are lot more closer to the public, active in press and on road all the time. But none of them will join BJP, if BJP votes for the bill.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 12 Feb 2014 08:11

Hari Seldon wrote:
devesh wrote:^^^
wow, that's a hel* of an endorsement.
which one? the expulsion from the party is certainly a heck on an endoresement in SA for sure.

Or that weird tweet from an unverified account from amisha dame?

amisha.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 12 Feb 2014 14:38

From teetar

>>Firstpost ‏@firstpostin 3m
BJP leaders tell PM that the party will support Telangana bill only after concerns of Seemandhra region are addressed.