Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

SanjayC · Post by **SanjayC** » 12 Feb 2014 16:47

Lilo wrote:Massa begins negotiations and as if on que sAAP jolts into an overdrive against him.
Time for all nationalists including RM ji to strengten him (at this balpradarshan stage) for him to make the strongest possible deal for bharat.

This quest for transparency in Indian political system is strange coming from a party which refuses to reveal its sources of funding despite being asked by the Home Ministry.

Vril · Post by **Vril** » 12 Feb 2014 16:55

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member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 12 Feb 2014 17:13

SanjayC wrote:
Lilo wrote:Massa begins negotiations and as if on que sAAP jolts into an overdrive against him.
Time for all nationalists including RM ji to strengten him (at this balpradarshan stage) for him to make the strongest possible deal for bharat.
This quest for transparency in Indian political system is strange coming from a party which refuses to reveal its sources of funding despite being asked by the Home Ministry.

Saar that is occupational rather civilizational hazard of being born a Bharatiya. These people are actually doing us a favour by doing the jhaadu pocha in our country. That they themselves are the problem is only a minor nitpick by fanbois only - not worth 2 pence. You have to get used to being advised exactly because you are born in this hive. Something built into your karmas. Just kidding, not you but people in general have to get used to this. That is the sum total of all this aman-o-shanti ka paigam brought to a theater near you by Puss Johar.

You want Bharat to get rich but the sickulars will point out how the whole system is wrong and exploits dalits/women/poor men/children by all others.

You want Bharat to have a better food security you will be helpfully pointed out the rampant bhukhmari.

You want Bharat to stand on its own two feet on strategic & defence matters and world peace gets threatened

You want Bharat to start respecting Bharatiyas within and you will learn how that is not possible because we have khaps and corrupt politicians

You want Bharatiya nari and bal-bala well protected in a secure society and somebody will come up with ideas like Women Commando force.

You bloody well know that the present administrative and legal structure needs investments and you will be handed over some alokpal kind of bull.

Agar Bharatiya paida hue ho to thoda sahana seekh lijiye.

You see we are the problem. The people who unfortunately know too much for our own good.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 12 Feb 2014 17:31

sushmajis chemistry with Antoniaji is great in the picture posted by vipinji.sushmaji looks like a pet of Antoniaji.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 12 Feb 2014 18:08

svenkat wrote:sushmajis chemistry with Antoniaji is great in the picture posted by vipinji.sushmaji looks like a pet of Antoniaji.

Either Sushma is a Useful idiot for baajpa or a huge liability. Only time can tell

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 12 Feb 2014 18:18

Seriously wtf is wrong with Indian media. Svaradarjan manages to bring in Modi into his tweet in Penguin book withdrawal issue.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 12 Feb 2014 18:19

What happened to the woman who fought spiritedly against Sonia in 1998? The woman who coined the slogan `Desi Beti vs Videshi Bahu'? The woman who promised to shave her head off and eat groundnuts if Sonia became the PM? The woman who physically fought off Devi Lal (and Chauthala's) goons in Ambala?

SS was all fire, and brimstone against Congress, and In Bellary, in 1998, SS toured the entire constituency with volunteers, travelling around on foot, coming up with slogans, speaking words of Kannada in a funny, yet endearing North Indian accent `ಸೋನಿಯಾ ಕೊಡುಗೆಗಳು - ಎಲ್ಲ ಸೊನ್ನೆ' (Sonia's contributions - all zero). Even in private conversations with volunteers, she was scathing on Sonia. The last thing one would expect of SS would be a bonhomie with Sonia. Yet, here she is, behaving like a courtier with a queen, a handmaiden with Zenobia. That pic of SS and Sonia is so revolting to any old time BJP person, yet we cannot deny what has been happening with SS.

SandeepA · Post by **SandeepA** » 12 Feb 2014 18:22

Chai pe Charcha now LIVE on youtube

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 12 Feb 2014 18:30

Pandurangahari ji
Curiously Swapan Das Gupta too came out in support on withdrawal of Wendy Donigers Hindu baiting book - on the larger interests of "Freedom of Speech".

Swapan Dasgupta, who describes himself as “politically conservative,” tweeted: “Very uneasy about Penguin decision on Wendy Doniger book. Ideas & academic studies however contentious cannot be handled by censorship.”

After Paki Mishra , Wendy's takleef too on display..

Ms. Doniger said she was “deeply troubled by what it foretells for free speech in India in the present, and steadily worsening, political climate.”

However, she was full of praise for Penguin’s efforts to save the book. “Penguin India took this book knowing that it would stir anger in the Hindutva ranks, and they defended it in the courts for four years, both as a civil and as a criminal suit.”

The publisher, she said, was finally defeated by the “true villain of this piece – the Indian law that makes it a criminal rather than civil offence to publish a book that offends any Hindu, a law that jeopardises the physical safety of any publisher, no matter how ludicrous the accusation brought against a book.”

As word got around, Penguin India came in for flak. Describing the decision as “atrocious,” Union Minister Jairam Ramesh said: “The book is not blasphemous. She is a scholar without any political agenda. The organisation that demanded Penguin take such action is clearly some Taliban-type outfit . It is distorting and destroying our liberal traditions.

http://www.thehindu.com/books/books-aut ... 677451.ece

My prediction - political climate will worsen so much that all left lib sikular "intellectuals" will not be able to keep up those supercilious detached pretenses and desperation guised as exasperation will be revealed more and more in their farticles.

Btw Hindu organisations are Taleban according to Jairam Ramesh .

Somemore quotes below..

Noted columnist Swapan Dasgupta was one of the first to comment on twitter. He said he disagreed with the publishers decisions in this matter. "There is a bit of peculiarity in this case. This is not a state action, but something that the publishers have done. There are two things at work here, one is that publishers probably do not believe in the integrity of the work that they have published or, because this isn't a bestseller like a Jeffery Archer, therefore doesn't have commercial implications, they take the line of least resistance," he told ET.

"This is a dangerous trend and may open the doors to publishers falling prey to any organised pressure. I don't agree with much of what Doniger has written but that is not the reason to withdraw the book," he added.

BJP too maintained a distance from the entire controversy. "We have not asked for a ban. This book has been around for a few years, none of the BJPruled states have banned it. We may or may not agree with the contents but the party has nothing to say on the matter," said party spokesperson Nirmala Sitharaman.

Congress hinted that Right wing groups were exerting influence over social media and other fora in order to "brow beat opinion." The party's media in charge Ajay Maken said that the events were a "portend of what would happen if the Right wing came to power."

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 12 Feb 2014 18:47

Rahul Mehta wrote:The rumor mill says that BJP-leaders are going to promise policies in manifesto that will make it easy for MNC-owners to open banks in India and also devor land. So my conjecture that MNC-owners will use AK-420 to force BJP-leaders to make policies to favor MNC-owners policies may come true.

This is rumor. May not come true. But may come true. Lets wait.

My take is --- we dont need banks except for fund transfer and storage. There is no need for loans and savings business -- it is scam of worst order. And land should be owned ONLY by Indians, and MNC-owners should have ONLY rental agreement for at most 20 years. If we are going to hand-over plots and plots and plots, and banks and banks and banks to MNC-owners, then might as well elect Rothschilde as PM of India.

This is a point worth exploring. However, it is not just BJP. Congress is also likely promising its masters goodies and infant their actions with MNCs have been even more detrimental
How do we prevent this sell out from all sides

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 12 Feb 2014 18:54

Swapan Gupta!!!

So, is freedom of speech supposed to be unlimited? Anyway, where is the freedom of speech when some phoreners and their lackeys can easily get their anti-Hindhu views published while any criticisms of abrahanic ideologies are hard to publish and popularize?

'Freedom of speech' is actually threatened by 'conspiracy of silence' by informal omerta code enforced by the threat of ostracization. For example, Subbramania Swamy was thrown out by Harvard for his political views. This is the real threat to freedom of speech. Atleast, when something is censored, it has an official reason and people can contest it. But when the censorship or omerta is enforced informally through old boys network or through nepotism, then it becomes very difficult to contest it.

Hindhuism is one of the last ancient civilizations that is still standing and is still facing threats from the newer and newer ideologies(including commieism). All these attacks on Hindhuism have been carried out under the veneer of 'freedom of speech' or 'rationalism' or 'atheism'. They don't even have the intellectual integrity to stand up and claim that they are simply trying to abuse Hindhuism because it is fundamentally different from abrahanic creeds and offers an alternate lifeview and lifestyle. Many a times, Hindhuism is identified by the phoreners as the last chain holding the Bhaarath and its society together. So, an attack on Hindhuism, is also done with an ultimate aim to weaken the country and ready it for phoren slavery(mental/physical/economical). No wonder that every invader has tried to attack Hindhuism in some way or the other. All of them have failed. And this latest attacks in the garb of 'freedom of speech' will also fail. But, it does give everyone an opportunity to clearly see who stands where on such issues. And despite all the rhetoric of being a 'right-wing intellectual', Swapan Gupta takes interesting views when such things come to fore. For example, he had tweeted something at the time of Rapepal's expose that he was in dharam sankat. He was in a dharam sankat and didn't go hammer and tongs against Rapepal. But, he has no such dharam sankat, now? He is clear that 'freedom of speech' is far more important than the concerns of Hindhus.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 12 Feb 2014 19:59

Nobody lamented taslima nasreen's books and plays banned, overt and open threats made to her, her functions disrupted etc all in broad daylight.... yeah, we all know about the credibility of the so-called defenders of the freedom of speech. In truth only anti-hindu speech has freedom, seems like.

anyway, good to see at least some panic in the ranks of the psecs and sellouts. Shows that its getting through even their thick skulls that the winds of change are here to stay...

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 12 Feb 2014 20:01

gandharva wrote:

What happened to the rivaaz of door se namaste?

Is Sushma ji standing up for elections for Lok Sabha, or is she hoping to move to Rajya Sabha. I think one reason LK Advani still wants to stand for elections for Lok Sabha is so that other D4 Uncles and Aunties also can stand from Lok Sabha. If LKA doesn't do it, then all these D4 U&A would hate being under the direct command of Narendrabhai Modi.

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 12 Feb 2014 20:05

Swapan perhaps does not know about RISA leela. Is their any point educating him?

The Bharatiya itihaas has to be re written otherwise this will go on and on.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 12 Feb 2014 20:06

Time to tel LKA to shove it and either take RS or bust. The only one who can tell him that message is Mohan Bhagwat. Time to get the wheels rolling.... ye sara D4 bhi khatam karo, have done enough damage.

To D4's credit, their confident false assurances to mafia did serve to stall mafia moves against NM somewhat, at least initially...

member_28352 · Post by **member_28352** » 12 Feb 2014 20:15

Windy Dingdong wrote:the Indian law that makes it a criminal rather than civil offence to publish a book that offends any Hindu,

Again lie. IPC295A is available as a remedy for all Indians irrespective of caste or creed.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 12 Feb 2014 20:21

Why are people who file defamation cases and do not respect other "Freedom of Speech" so critical of the Ban.

I feel either one should accept Ban on this Bigoted Book or you should go for absolute Freedom of speech which means

1) No use of the word Provacative or Hate Speech in Media, or support any laws which use the words. anyone/channel which has done that in the past must admit they are guilty of hypocracy.

2) Freedom to state whatever one likes or upload video's on social media

3) All defamation laws should be revoked, those have used defamation, IT cases and yet support the book should condemn themselves as Hypocrites publically

manju · Post by **manju** » 12 Feb 2014 20:33

Just now coming back from a Chai pe Charcha karyakram that I organized in Bellary, Karnataka. Will post details soon.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 12 Feb 2014 20:35

At tea party, Narendra Modi stirs black money kettle

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/nare ... 43177.html

Nice coverage of the very first 'chai pe charcha' experiment in mass outreach circumventing traditional mass media intermediaries... Turdesai ki phat lee hai, evident from his twitter spin...

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 12 Feb 2014 20:37

Cross post from AP thread

Two things which are coming to my mind. Congress though a currpt/criminal gang was not overtly anti-national as long as Indira was there. The Rajiv times it slowly started moving to 'Internaltionalisum" and Sonia gang made it compleately a gang of looters and anti nationals. The extent of subversions taken place under Indira and Nehru were very bad but Sonia could achive great sucess in exceeding them. An unwritten emergency, purchasing of entire opposition, wholesale loot of national resourses, complete negation of nation identity (Rama Sethu) Out right attepts to sell the nation by allowing freedom to Goras to do what ever they want. Now they do not even care for the areas which voted them in full (22 out of 25). Great achivement indeed.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 12 Feb 2014 20:46

Hari Seldon wrote:At tea party, Narendra Modi stirs black money kettle

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/nare ... 43177.html

Nice coverage of the very first 'chai pe charcha' experiment in mass outreach circumventing traditional mass media intermediaries... Turdesai ki phat lee hai, evident from his twitter spin...

The math is staggering. Reports are that almost every location had 1000 people on an average. 1000 locations, 10 lakh outreach in one shot. And it will be a multiplier effect, the guys who attended will talk to others etc..

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 12 Feb 2014 20:54

Narayana Rao wrote:Cross post from AP thread

Two things which are coming to my mind. Congress though a currpt/criminal gang was not overtly anti-national as long as Indira was there. The Rajiv times it slowly started moving to 'Internaltionalisum" and Sonia gang made it compleately a gang of looters and anti nationals. The extent of subversions taken place under Indira and Nehru were very bad but Sonia could achive great sucess in exceeding them. An unwritten emergency, purchasing of entire opposition, wholesale loot of national resourses, complete negation of nation identity (Rama Sethu) Out right attepts to sell the nation by allowing freedom to Goras to do what ever they want. Now they do not even care for the areas which voted them in full (22 out of 25). Great achivement indeed.

The interesting thing is all these Nikkammas who support AK420 for his corruption won't question why all these scums Yogendra yadav, Manish, AK all worked or part of organizations supporting Sonia and how billions of thorium ore has been made to disappear. They don't talk about 2G or Coal and identify the real dealer "Ahmed Patel" who is the front of the SONAI. Even lowest sales person in mining company knows every company has to pay 5K to 10K per ton of ore to Ahmed Patel designated guy. Doesn't AK know this? He acts dumb when it comes to SONIA or Rahul. Not a single word. Not a single word.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 12 Feb 2014 21:29

The people are mostly locked in. I have spoken many UP people in difforent districts and a senior Jat leaders son from areas near muzaffarpur area. There is going to be a hindu-muslim vote in UP this time and 40 is minimum seats. But condidate selection is a serious thing and hope AS will do good job there. Once of the reasons for election sucess of BJP in Guirath is the clear and proactive selection of candidates wherein non performers were removed. When Patel leaders broke away and challenged Modi he has give huge number of seats to yound Patel leaders. Similar inteligent tactics needed for UP.

Nothing going on in respect of BJhar wherein some 25 are at least needed.

WHERE IS NEWS ON ELECTION MANIFESTO??? CREAZY IDEAS LIKE ARDHAKRANTHI TRANSACTION TAX OR SS IDEA OF REMOVING INCOME TAX ARE NOT BEING HEARD. WHO IS DOING MANIFESTO WORK?

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 12 Feb 2014 22:47

^^ Panagariya, key figure in BJP manifesto, calls for big rollback of UPA laws

The markers in Panagariya's roadmap are easy to find: Quick recapitalisation of banks, extensive labour reforms, scrapping the new Land Acquisition Act, kickstarting privatisation of public undertakings and making sweeping changes in right to food and right to education laws. The question is whether the next Prime Minsiter will be able to do all these things unless he is aided by a strong majority in Parliament and a will to get the country back on the path of reforms.

Speaking at the G D Deshmukh Memorial Lecture yesterday, Panagariya made several observations about the sweeping changes needed in India's economic policies so that it goes on to become the world's third largest economy in the next 15 years. He termed these economic reforms as Track I and Track II reforms.

Some importants statistics first to understand the potential India's economic growth has even today when there is a perceptible policy paralysis. If India's economic growth stagnates at 5 percent, our $1.8 trillion economy will grow to only $3.8 trillion in the next decade and a half. This by itself is not bad since it will make us the fifth largest economy on the globe by 2029-30. But we will still be behind the United States, China, Germany and Japan. To edge out Germany and Japan and become the third largest economic power, India's economy needs to be worth $8.8 trillion in the next 15 years. This goal is impossible to achieve unless the country adopts sweeping economic reforms as soon as the next government comes to power at the Centre. Panagariya said India needs faster progress in reducing poverty, expanding health and education facilities to be able to compete with the global biggies.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 12 Feb 2014 22:57

I think you have to be cautious on labor reforms, LA and the various dole schemes of UPA. You don't want to win the economics and loose the politics and hand the country back to NAC. The dole schemes should be frozen at the current level so that growth makes them less of a drag. LA should not require more than 2/3rd consent and can be tweaked around to make LA easier. Labor reforms should be taken only in slow steps. So is pvtization. Once the economy is booming you expedite the reforms.

disha · Post by **disha** » 12 Feb 2014 23:44

Then you are caught in a catch-22 situation., that is what happened with the first NDA - their "track II" reforms set the stage for growth in UPA-I and got UPA-II back and they did an excellent job of running it down.

The dole schemes of UPA is actually "get vote" schemes. As long as there are other "get vote" schemes in place, one can carry out both track-I and track-II reforms. What NDA failed was to cut down this various "get vote" schemes and they infact tried to co-opt it. And utterly failed.

In Guj/Raj/MP/C36Grh/Goa it is turning out that as long as the larger pop. is getting services (roti-kapda-makaan-bijlee-sadak-paani) for a fair price, basic governance and issue resolution., they will stick with current government w/o large dole schemes.

So there is risk and and there is opportunity to implement both track-I and track-II changes.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 13 Feb 2014 00:04

The song have the BRF Themes.
Angrejo Sey Jyada Kiye Xongress Ney Atyachaar
Hindustan KO Congress I Bannade Pakistan

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 13 Feb 2014 00:13

NAMO ANTHEM - THE BEST EVER SONG ON NARENDR MODI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e9r4b_uRFw

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 13 Feb 2014 00:33

http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/l ... z2t8c4dGZA

U.S. seeks meeting with prospective India leader Narendra Modi

MUMBAI, India -- In a bid to head off another potential crisis in U.S.-Indian relations, the State Department has requested a meeting with a controversial Indian politician who is a front-runner to become the country’s next prime minister, officials said Tuesday.The meeting between the U.S. ambassador to New Delhi, Nancy Powell, and Indian politician Narendra Modi is scheduled to take place later this week and would end a decade-long chill that began when the State Department refused to grant Modi a visa to the United States in 2005.That decision stemmed from Modi’s tenure as leader of the western state of Gujarat, where communal riots in 2002 left more than 1,000 people dead, most of them Muslims. After a lobbying campaign led by evangelical Christian groups, the State Department denied Modi a visa, saying he bore ultimate responsibility for the failure of Gujarati authorities to protect minority Muslims.
Modi has steadfastly denied culpability, and an Indian court ruled in December that there wasn’t enough evidence to prosecute him. Meanwhile, Gujarat, which he still leads, has become an economic engine and attracted investment by U.S. companies such as Ford and General Motors.As the opposition Bharatiya Janata Party’s candidate for prime minister, Modi is touting his economic record and is widely seen as the favorite to win India’s top post in elections this May.A State Department official described the meeting between Modi and Powell as “part of our concentrated outreach to senior political and business leaders which began in November to highlight the U.S.-India relationship.” The meeting could occur as early as Thursday in Gujarat, according to Bharatiya Janata Party officials quoted by Indian news media.As recently as last June, the State Department said its policy on granting Modi a visa had not changed. “We will consider his application if he applies,” spokeswoman Jen Psaki said.Officials of his party said Modi was unlikely to apply for a U.S. visa anytime soon. But the State Department’s decision to end its boycott of the 63-year-old leader reflects a desire to patch relations with India that remain marred by mutual suspicion despite growing investment by American companies and India’s efforts to portray itself as a rising world power.
“If opinion polls are anything to go by, Washington will soon have to do business with a government in New Delhi headed by Modi,” Viju Cherian, a journalist with the Hindustan Times daily, wrote Tuesday.Other countries have decided to end boycotts of Modi, with the British high commissioner and European ambassadors in New Delhi holding meetings with him in recent months. U.S. consular officials, members of Congress and business leaders have paid visits to Modi in Gujarat, but the meeting with Powell would be the highest-level contact by a U.S. official since Modi’s visa was revoked.U.S.-India ties were badly strained in December, when an Indian diplomat in New York was arrested and charged with visa fraud for lying about underpaying her housekeeper. The diplomat, Devyani Khobragade, did not appear in U.S. court and was allowed to return to India after Indian officials began revoking perks -- such as permits to import alcohol duty-free -- for U.S. diplomats in New Delhi.

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 13 Feb 2014 01:15

Better late than never: 3 Reasons the US ambassador to India should meet with Narendra Modi
by Sadanand Dhume, aei-ideas.org
February 10th 2014 7:05 PM

The Hindustan Times reports that the US has decided to end its nine-year-old boycott of opposition Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi, ahead of national elections in the spring. Here’s why this makes sense:

1. India’s courts have exonerated Modi for the 2002 Gujarat riots. The US decision to boycott Modi, chief minister of the Western state of Gujarat, can be traced to anti-Muslim riots that took place on his watch 12 years ago. (Following the burning alive of 59 Hindu pilgrims on a train, about 1000 people died in the riots, three-fourths of them Muslim.) In 2005, the US denied Modi a diplomatic visa and revoked his tourist visa, and no U.S. ambassador has met with him since.

Since then, however, an investigation ordered by India’s Supreme Court cleared Modi of culpability in the riots in February 2012, and in December last year a court in Ahmedabad upheld the investigation. In short, as things stand, there’s no legal case against Modi. (His moral responsibility for the violence on his watch remains hotly debated.)

2. The US was an outlier in continuing the boycott. Since Modi won a record third straight election as chief minister of Gujarat in December 2012, Western countries once wary of him have begun to acknowledge his stature as the most popular politician in India. The United Kingdom broke the ice with Modi before the state election, when its high commissioner (ambassador) visited Modi in Ahmedabad in October 2012. In January 2013, the German ambassador in New Delhi hosted a lunch with Modi for fellow EU ambassadors. Then in August 2013, the Australian high commissioner saw Modi and invited him to visit Australia. When Amb. Nancy Powell meets with Modi later this month, she will only be following some of America’s closest allies.

3. Modi is frontrunner to be prime minister. While Indian election surveys should be taken with a grain of salt, by most accounts Modi is the frontrunner. About 34% of Indians would like to see him as prime minister, compared to 15% for Rahul Gandhi, his nearest rival. And even if Modi doesn’t become prime minister, he will remain a powerful politician with a vast following.

At this point, the larger question of granting Modi a US visa is moot. He appears to be in no hurry to apply for one, and likely won’t have time for foreign visits before the election anyway. But the US has rightly (if belatedly) calculated that it’s about time it normalized its relations with one of the most important politicians in India.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 13 Feb 2014 01:22

What exactly is controversial about Narendra Modi?

1. That he calls himself Nationalist Hindu?
2. That he was sent unelected to administer a Gujarat ravaged by an earthquake?
3. That 3 months of taking over Muslims burnt to death women, children and men in Godhra?
4. That there was a reaction to what happened in in Godhra?
5. That when it happened he first ordered his top cop to assist returning Haj pilgrims to safety?
6. That he requested Army reinforcements from the Center with alacrity?
7. That he requested 3 neighboring states to provide additional police?
8. That cops under him shot dead almost 300 Hindu's to control riots?
9. That his secular vision is India first for all Indians and no sops?
10. That his development vision is for all Indians and no sops?

shyamoo · Post by **shyamoo** » 13 Feb 2014 02:25

harbans wrote:What exactly is controversial about Narendra Modi?

1. That he calls himself Nationalist Hindu?
2. That he was sent unelected to administer a Gujarat ravaged by an earthquake?
3. That 3 months of taking over Muslims burnt to death women, children and men in Godhra?
4. That there was a reaction to what happened in in Godhra?
5. That when it happened he first ordered his top cop to assist returning Haj pilgrims to safety?
6. That he requested Army reinforcements from the Center with alacrity?
7. That he requested 3 neighboring states to provide additional police?
8. That cops under him shot dead almost 300 Hindu's to control riots?
9. That his secular vision is India first for all Indians and no sops?
10. That his development vision is for all Indians and no sops?

All the above.. if you ask certain group of individuals..

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 13 Feb 2014 02:44

Harbans ji,

Would you mind writing a small post on what you see happening in the 5 seats of uttarakhand in the lok sabha election. Can you post that in the state and GE election thread. If you can throw some more light on the dehradun seat, even more welcome. Is BJP expected to sweep all 5 or are there any weak seats?

Thanks

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 13 Feb 2014 03:11

I can give three reasons why Modi should not meet Powell before the elections.

Saral · Post by **Saral** » 13 Feb 2014 06:24

harbans, do a screen capture of the points and post them on teetar under your id (what is it?)

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 13 Feb 2014 06:26

After 9 years whats the rush. Why do we need the approval of the US. as to who our leader ought to be. besides, he is yet to become the pm of India. So why bother.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 13 Feb 2014 06:40

Modi should not meet any US official. The US just wants to make nice since he will become PM. He should let them sweat a bit longer.

disha · Post by **disha** » 13 Feb 2014 06:41

Ramana'ji please do.

There are are reasons why Modi should not meet Powell. Personally I am all for that.

At the same time Modi is a realpolitik and will look at larger Indian interests if he decides to meet or not to meet. For example instead of meeting on the sidelines (that would have given US an easy way out)., he asked them to take permission from the central government for an official meeting. This is akin to eating a crow for US. Then there is the location, where the Her Excellency, Ms. Susan Powell, US Ambassador to India - *travels* to G'nagar, Gujarat to meet CM of Gujarat (and Gujarat is a province which is 1/4th of UP and right across Delhi!)

Note that all amby's are addressed as Her/His Excellency. This is to infuse the power of the people the country they represent. And an ambassador speaks on behalf of their people being their representative in the host country.

Coming back, the point is the ambassador is made to travel to Guj. and to speak on what? Not some ribbon cutting for a gift from the US to India - but - but to discuss matters of international importance like the state of relations between India and US - the matters are decided by the CM of Guj!!

So yes, US has to eat 3-Crows (publicly so far)., now the real question still remains - "What are the Indian national interests served by Modi not meeting US"?

One I could easily think of why Modi *should not* meet - is never give undue advantage to US to poke its matter in another country - particularly a civilizational country like India.

I would like to know more. At the same time I do expect Modi *will* meet if Modi+Team feel that it *will* server larger Indian interests. So do not get disappointed if he meets. The question then will be what larger Indian interest did Modi see that will be satisfied. If he does not meet (the meeting has not happened yet, and Modi is still travelling) and keeps stalling, we know that he is playing for and would be great to know what larger Indian interests are not satisfied.

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 13 Feb 2014 07:44

After seeing Congress\BJP\AAP advt on youtube\FB, I felt sorry that Indian leaders have to pay MNC-owners' companies to reach to the very Indian voters !!! IOW, Indian leaders dont even have an Indian media to reach Indian voters. Thats because all leaders including BJP leaders hoarded wealth in gold and plots and didnt spend any money creating a parallel ToI or parallel Facebook or parallel Youtube. Congress , lesser said better. And AAP-leaders are FDI themselves. Why bother them with Swadeshi. So now all Indian leaders depend on foreign media to reach their own voters in India !!

If these leaders cant reach Indian voters without foreign help, then it appears that they will also need foreign help to run PSUs, Military and over-all administrative system. Solution I propose is that nationalists should start looking beyond leaders and campaign for law-drafts to fix India.

Rahul Mehta: The rumor mill says that BJP-leaders are going to promise policies in manifesto that will make it easy for MNC-owners to open banks in India and also devor land. So my conjecture that MNC-owners will use AK-420 to force BJP-leaders to make policies to favor MNC-owners policies may come true. This is rumor. May not come true. But may come true. Lets wait. My take is --- we dont need banks except for fund transfer and storage. There is no need for loans and savings business -- it is scam of worst order. And land should be owned ONLY by Indians, and MNC-owners should have ONLY rental agreement for at most 20 years. If we are going to hand-over plots and plots and plots, and banks and banks and banks to MNC-owners, then might as well elect Rothschilde as PM of India.

Jarita: This is a point worth exploring. However, it is not just BJP. Congress is also likely promising its masters goodies and infant their actions with MNCs have been even more detrimental
How do we prevent this sell out from all sides

Thanks for paying some attention. And more thanks for replying, because when you reply with my post as quote, many who have put me in ignore list also end up reading my post

, and get pained.

Now Congressa-apex has become MNC-owners' puppet since 1991. So as time goes, Congress-apex will hand over more and more of India to MNC-owners and Missionaries. The claim was that BJP-apex will not yield. But given that MNC-owners now have media and BJP-apex has no media to reach voters. So BJP-apex seems to yielding to MNC-owners's demands. Also, Indian elitemen have no technology to run India anymore. So Indian elitemen are left with no option but to give huge portion of economy to MNC-owners and MNC-owners will leverage using that. The visa issue is creating a good show that NaMo doesnt care about USA, but those who know NaMo's dependence on mediamen know that reality is other way. Now lets see the policies GoI makes in jun-2014 on how much banking and plots are given MNC-owners in the name of growth.

You asked a very relevnt question - "How do we prevent this sell out ...". The solution I propose is in this thread --- http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... =24&t=6646

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 13 Feb 2014 08:09

Pakistan, China, Congress, NGOs, Marxists, Mullahs and Missionaries do not want to see the raise of Modi - and eventually become the PM. After becoming the PM if Modi handles his cards well, then he could change the national character. None of the parties mentioned like this turn of events, and will help each other to thwart Modi becoming the PM.

USA has got wind of this, and knows details about Congress and AAP. The systematic creation of chaos is a cause for worry. Like sage Agastya was sent down south to handle that region, USA needs India. A broken down India is no use and good for USA. For American companies to make money of Indian consumers, it needs a strong economy requiring a strong government. USA cannot stretch its butter too thin, and would like somebody to take control of South & South East Asia. Russia and China are belligerent, and can crush American balls. However India is known to be neutral and reasonable. In the past America and India have had tussles and rubbed each other wrongly - for over 50 years now. Yet USA sees value in befriending India.

As the actions of the nefarious parties seek to destabilize India, USA wants to meet Modi and convey its concerns and share secrets. BJP like Congress has always been pro-America. Only the Commies of India have been strongly against America. Modi has the intellect to recognize he can play ball with America for mutual benefit.

And Nancy Powell is being sent to meet Modi to caution, support and assure him. It is a recognition of the inevitable - that is ONLY BJP CAN SCREW ITSELF UP AND LOSE THE ELECTION. Powell will be telling Modi, "Please don't screw up for the sake of India and America - we are with you". It is a warning to BJP to gets its act together and win the elections.

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