Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

negi · Post by **negi** » 13 Feb 2014 08:21

There is an old hindi saying "Ek jungle mein do sher nahin reh sakte" (There cannot be two lions in the same jungle). USA thinks that it is a lion and has always behaved like that, note that all countries with whom it enjoys good relations with are essentially headed by poodles who literally sck upto Amrika. India has had a similar regime for last 10 years and that is why as per America our relations with them have improved because by and large all advances have been made towards forwarding Ameica's interests , if something good has come out of them for us then it has been primarily a consolation for MMS to hold on to.

So what has above rant got to do with NM ? Key issue is on socio economic front NM might not cause Unkil major takleef for NM himself is viewed as a supporter of capitalists by the west , however NM can become an eye sore for America as far as latter's ambitions in the sub-continent are concerned specially related to TSP. MMS and his nopel aspirations might go down the toilet drain with NM coming to power and with Siachin being pulled permanently of the table the only thing remaining on the table will be POK which our PM has not even uttered in last 10 years. Basically we have good times ahead of us and hopefully some takleef for Unkil.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 13 Feb 2014 08:32

Full video of NM's Kerala speech where he takes the marxists head-on... when last did we see a 'right' wing leader take the marxist bull(shit) by the horns...

negi · Post by **negi** » 13 Feb 2014 08:43

Meeting US officials is fine and dandy , however if and when NM becomes the PM and he actually pulls out Siachin off the discussion table and replaces J&K with POK for me personally he would become the best PM we could have got. Bahut dekh liya napunsakon ko, ab utha le re baba in sab ko.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 13 Feb 2014 08:47

SwamyG wrote: Missionaries

How is my CT ?

Doest work, because while it correctly capture AIFs, it fails to see that USA and Missionaries are a very much overlapping set and therefore makes wrong conclusions.

habal · Post by **habal** » 13 Feb 2014 08:53

the health secretary Keshav Desiraju who was recently 'suspended'/'transferred' by Ghulam Nabi Azad on grounds that he opposed the re-induction of the scam hit Ketan Desai back into MCI board happens to be none other than the grandson of C. Rajagopalachari.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 13 Feb 2014 08:59

Modi is not going to go against America in any big way. He might strengthen India as a nationalist, but he will not be anti-American. BJP cozies up with America as much as Congress. He has talked about black money and Congress. But he has never launched a diatribe against America. He urges India to grow, BJP has been pro-business and pro-America. BJP government will continue to buy arms from America and elsewhere - though Modi has urged domestic production of armaments. Modi is not an isolationist.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 13 Feb 2014 09:00

^^

I agree, he will treat USA as a freminy. With America the continent itself I am sure he has no gripe.

negi · Post by **negi** » 13 Feb 2014 09:01

^ NM!=BJP.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 13 Feb 2014 09:01

Sanku wrote:
SwamyG wrote: Missionaries

How is my CT ?
Doest work, because while it correctly capture AIFs, it fails to see that USA and Missionaries are a very much overlapping set and therefore makes wrong conclusions.

What are AIFs? USA is not === to Missionaries. However lots of missionaries money comes from America.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 13 Feb 2014 09:03

negi wrote:^ NM!=BJP.

Right now, Modi ==== BJP. Left to BJP, they will pull defeat from the jaws of victory. http://5forty3.wordpress.com/2014/02/12 ... l-strategy

It is literally Modi (his team) vs REST of India match. The Rest of India includes BJP.

Aur jungle kafi bada hain. Ek sher se kooch nahin hone wala.

negi · Post by **negi** » 13 Feb 2014 09:05

On NM going against America, well it is not that one has to go against someone for the heck of it. The fact of the matter is America's ambitions in SA in some key areas detrimental to ours however until now we have not seen anyone from India to step up to the plate and first at least call these out leave alone act on them. NM has been pretty clear on how he would deal with TSP on numerous occasions, no one said that before not even ABV now only time will tell if he delivers on his talk too.

Point is with MMS at the helm India was just another poodle for the USA they got things done their way , it is not going to be the same with NM and that for a start is a major PITA for GOTUS.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 13 Feb 2014 09:10

Being a poodle matters little for the aam admi. Maybe jingoes might not like a PM to be the poodle of a foreign power. If the country had truly progressed, would it have mattered to the people on the street what MMS did or did not do? British PMs were known as poodles, only when the economy tanked did people experience takleef. Canada is a big neighbor (larger neighbor), it happily places second fiddle - it is forced to do so.

At some point it does matter how a leader approaches other countries/leaders and how he interacts with them. A leader will give and take for the interests of the country. And I see Modi as a capable leader. He probably will not suck up to America; but if opportunity rises for him to make use of it, he will definitely not let go of it.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 13 Feb 2014 09:11

i ahve bad feeling.. lka met kala vasiyat and lost 2009. he simply mellowed down his tone against mms after he met kala vasiyat. this looks eerily similar. god knows what did kala vasiyat whisper in old man's years. no meeting phoren person till one becomes PM.. no visiting phoren (western and china and pakland and BD) countries in first term. of course this is suggestion onlee. everyone is free onlee.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 13 Feb 2014 09:13

SwamyG wrote:
Doest work, because while it correctly capture AIFs, it fails to see that USA and Missionaries are a very much overlapping set and therefore makes wrong conclusions.

What are AIFs? USA is not === to Missionaries. However lots of missionaries money comes from America.

Which is precisely what I said, that USA and Missionaries are a overlapping set (not identical) -- so yes, your theory is wrong.

AIF == Anti India Forces

negi · Post by **negi** » 13 Feb 2014 09:13

kala vasiyat ? Gurudev ye kya bala hai ?

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 13 Feb 2014 09:15

Swamy saar,
Bakis, commies, cheen, kongis, NGOs, jihadhs and EJs are ultimately propped up directly or indirectly by the amirkhans. So, you are wrong.

Infact, amirkhan is the ringleader of all these elements that seek to stop dhesh(not NaMo). NaMo is being sought to be stopped because he is seen as someone who can help Bhaarath. Why stop Bhaarath? Well, because, Bhaarath is one of the competitors of amirkhan. The other competitors are Russia, Brazil, & China.

Even here, Bhaarath is the only country that has civilization that offers alternative version to the amirkhan lifestyle in totality.

NaMo is no fool. So, he will go about in steps, IMHO. He will not oppose outrightly, but take incremental steps for the eventual goal of freeing up the shackles of Bhaarath(which means a threat to Bhaarath's competitors).

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 13 Feb 2014 09:27

habal wrote:the health secretary Keshav Desiraju who was recently 'suspended'/'transferred' by Ghulam Nabi Azad on grounds that he opposed the re-induction of the scam hit Ketan Desai back into MCI board happens to be none other than the grandson of C. Rajagopalachari.

Small correction, he is grandson of Dr. Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan.

SanjayC · Post by **SanjayC** » 13 Feb 2014 09:28

Even here, Bhaarath is the only country that has civilization that offers alternative version to the amirkhan lifestyle in totality.

This is the crux of the issue. Goras know that Hinduism offers a much superior and more attractive philosophical alternative to bigoted monotheistic creeds that deny freedom of thought. This alternative, more refined world view is a clear and present danger to their civilization. This is the real reason for them to try to destroy India and Hindus. They are scared that their younger generation will fall for the philosophy of Upanishads and Gita (much like the Hippie days), and hence they have created a horde of "scholars" whose only job is to misrepresent Hindu texts and turn the philosophy into a caricature.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 13 Feb 2014 09:30

Atri wrote:i ahve bad feeling.. lka met kala vasiyat and lost 2009. he simply mellowed down his tone against mms after he met kala vasiyat. this looks eerily similar. god knows what did kala vasiyat whisper in old man's years. no meeting phoren person till one becomes PM.. no visiting phoren (western and china and pakland and BD) countries in first term. of course this is suggestion onlee. everyone is free onlee.

Or Modi can pretend he will be mellow, they will believe him, given their low opinion of Indians in general -- in any case NaMo HAS mellowed significantly -- he is focusing only on development and nothing else.

These is ZERO contentious content in his speeches.

The difference between LKA and NaMo is, that although 1998-2004 allowed the media to "forget" RJB, 2002 has been kept alive, so NaMo's creds are not forgotten.

So silly tactics like posting a picture of NaMo with a congress leader wont fly, because in all mind the subliminal programming about 2002 is burned in. Not so for other BJP members.

Truly, the AIF have created their own nemsis. Lord Voldemort vs Harry Potter.

Talk about self fulfilling prophecies.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 13 Feb 2014 09:32

negi wrote:On NM going against America, well it is not that one has to go against someone for the heck of it. The fact of the matter is America's ambitions in SA in some key areas detrimental to ours however until now we have not seen anyone from India to step up to the plate and first at least call these out leave alone act on them. NM has been pretty clear on how he would deal with TSP on numerous occasions, no one said that before not even ABV now only time will tell if he delivers on his talk too.

Point is with MMS at the helm India was just another poodle for the USA they got things done their way , it is not going to be the same with NM and that for a start is a major PITA for GOTUS.

+1008

disha · Post by **disha** » 13 Feb 2014 09:33

Chalo meeting ho chuki:

This is before meeting: http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/us-en ... 1392265782

Gandhinagar: US Ambassador to India, Nancy Powell, has reached the residence of Narendra Modi in Gandhinagar, for a meeting with the BJP's candidate for prime minister.

[Disha: Maar dalaan - saalon taak amerikhans kauva khayenge]

....

After meeting Mr Modi, Ms Powell will meet Congress leader and Leader of Opposition in Gujarat Shankarsinh Vaghela.

[Disha: Vaghela ke bhin bhaag khool gaye. Woh aab Modi ko Ladoo bhejenga - har din aur NaMo mantra gayanga - aur Dilli jayenga ]

Reuters has quoted a senior Gujarat government official as saying that the US Embassy had been seeking a meeting with Mr Modi for the past two months.

[Disha: Ek chota sa pyara sa kutte ka baccha bhi meeting mangta hain toh NaMo ko daya ati hain or meeting de deta hain. Yahaan toh kutte-ke-salo (dog years) taak amerikhan meeting maan raha tha]

And some dogs still bark ....

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1140213/j ... vxL3vldW6M

... But his delight should be tempered with the awareness that a meeting with the US ambassador in India and gestures of friendship from the state department do not necessarily mean the granting of a US visa. That remaining hurdle should not lead to the undermining of the importance of the meeting between Ms Powell and Mr Modi. If Mr Modi does become the prime minister a few months from now, he will be aware that the US state department had taken positive steps to remove all residual bitterness that had existed between it and Mr Modi. Ms Powell would also have earned for herself and her government a certain amount of goodwill — brownie points as the current jargon has it — by travelling to Gandhinagar to meet the Gujarat chief minister. Mr Modi is now elated with a sense of victory: he is now being wooed. By imparting to Mr Modi this sense of elation and satisfaction, the US state department has gained an enormous amount without apparently conceding much. Metternich would have applauded.

(Disha: Who the **** is matronich?]

Putin must be studying NaMo now, in one shot - NaMo has humbled US - Thank you India! But yes, amerikhan dogs will paint it as "US magnamity".

SanjayC · Post by **SanjayC** » 13 Feb 2014 09:35

US envoy at Narendra Modi's home for meeting that signals thaw

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 13 Feb 2014 09:37

Modi bik gaya re.....

Now what will happen onlee???

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 13 Feb 2014 09:38

Atri wrote:Modi bik gaya re.....

Now what will happen onlee???

BJP will lose onlee.

disha · Post by **disha** » 13 Feb 2014 09:40

^^ Good to see Atri and Sanku some rona-dhona., Modi toh bik gaya - saath mein vaghela ko bhi bech diya!!!

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 13 Feb 2014 09:43

negi wrote:kala vasiyat ? Gurudev ye kya bala hai ?

It ij raabart bilackvill, saar.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 13 Feb 2014 09:48

Modi bika nahin, Modi ne toh bheekh dhiya ek meeting...

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 13 Feb 2014 09:55

Sanku wrote: Or Modi can pretend he will be mellow, they will believe him, given their low opinion of Indians in general -- in any case NaMo HAS mellowed significantly -- he is focusing only on development and nothing else.

Really, are Americans that naive? For that matter any politician or leader of any country including Pakistan, North Korea and China have reached where they are because of their abilities - which includes working for or against other leaders.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 13 Feb 2014 09:59

Atri wrote:
negi wrote:kala vasiyat ? Gurudev ye kya bala hai ?
It ij raabart bilackvill, saar.

Kaali Khwahash!
Yeh Kaali Khwahash Kaali
Kaali Khwahash Ki Har Baat Kaali
Bogey Jalli, Bacche Jalley, Soye Kitne Shollo Ke talle
Iss tarah Jalleh Kye Zinda,
Lo,
Maut Hui Thii Sharminda
Yeh Jang Abhi Ham Par Kyon Zaarri Hai
Vote Bank Banna Kar, Raaj Kartte Hai
Gandhis,PSers woh Gaddari Hai
.........
Gorrey Talve Chattne waloSey
Indians Yeh Poochte Hai
Jis Desh Ka Leeder Pappu Ho
Tho Uss Desh Ki kahani Kya Hoggi ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-sZ4JDXt84

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 13 Feb 2014 10:02

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 13 Feb 2014 10:05

Anyway, on the other hand, Susy aunty seems to be trying hard to facilitate kongis on T. With friends like that who needs enemies. But this sort of attitude is the reason for the rise of Fordriwal. And this is also the reason why existence of multiple parties is good in the long run. If only two parties exist, then they can form a cartel at highest level. Infact, it is always easy to co-opt the higher echelons of the opposition to cement the power instead of continuing to fight them. And it is easy to co-opt them by threatening to expose the skeletons in the opposition's closet or unleashing the state power. In the long run, such co-opting leads to loss of credibility for the entire system and people resort to those who promise complete over-haul of the system like Fordriwal.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 13 Feb 2014 10:13

SwamyG wrote:
Sanku wrote: Or Modi can pretend he will be mellow, they will believe him, given their low opinion of Indians in general -- in any case NaMo HAS mellowed significantly -- he is focusing only on development and nothing else.
Really, are Americans that naive? For that matter any politician or leader of any country including Pakistan, North Korea and China have reached where they are because of their abilities - which includes working for or against other leaders.

No one is prefect, least of all USofA (not americans) who have many blind spots, one of them is their false assurance of their abilities. It can be played to.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 13 Feb 2014 10:33

negi wrote:kala vasiyat ? Gurudev ye kya bala hai ?

blackwill, then us ambassador

Nitesh · Post by **Nitesh** » 13 Feb 2014 10:45

Keshubhai retires from politics, wishes GPP will merge with BJP.

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/keshu ... 140212.htm

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 13 Feb 2014 10:59

disha wrote: And some dogs still bark ....
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1140213/j ... vxL3vldW6M
Putin must be studying NaMo now, in one shot - NaMo has humbled US - Thank you India! But yes, amerikhan dogs will paint it as "US magnamity".

Quoting some select lines from that article written by a nameless coward under the _guise_ of opinion.
If you ever had any doubts that India media bats for foreign interests ,then the following should lay it to rest.

This boycott and the refusal to grant Mr Modi a visa to visit the US was, it is believed, carried out at the behest of the US CongressSuch a decision may not have had the complete approval of the US state department which operates more on pragmatism rather than idealistic principles

Mr Modi can now bask in the sense that he is back within the folds of civilization. But his delight should be tempered with the awareness that a with the US ambassador in India and gestures of friendship from the state department do not necessarily mean the granting of a US visa.

Ms Powell would also have earned for herself and her government a certain amount of goodwill — brownie points as the current jargon has it — by travelling to Gandhinagar to meet the Gujarat chief minister. Mr Modi is now elated with a sense of victory: he is now being wooed. By imparting to Mr Modi this sense of elation and satisfaction, the US state department has gained an enormous amount without apparently conceding much. Metternich would have applauded.

Every line quoted above coming from Telegraph India, a Indian newspaper, is fully loaded with opinion from a US perspective.
The editor of this newspaper must be whipped for writing something so blatantly unsubtle and cringeworthy.
Edit:
I looked at the editorial board fpr the telegraph

Dr Ashok S Ganguly, current chairman
Aveek Sarkar, Chief Editor of the Ananda Bazar Group of Publications.
Dipankar Das Purkayastha, MD & CEO
Githa Hariharan, author & Columnist
Swapan Dasgupta, Columnist
Ramachandra Guha, Columnist and writer
Sunanda K. Datta-Ray, Columnist
Suhani Pittie, Columnist
Rudrangshu Mukherjee, Editor, Editorial Pages, The Telegraph, oversees the editorial pages and the book review section of The Telegraph
Khushwant Singh – An editorial writer whose column With Malice towards One and All appears in the Friday edition.

That explains it doesnt it.
It sure looks like one of Mr.Guha's opinions.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 13 Feb 2014 11:12

Nitesh wrote:Keshubhai retires from politics, wishes GPP will merge with BJP.

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/keshu ... 140212.htm

Wish he'd also wished that LKA lead leaders of his generation into retirement.... wonlee...

SanjayC · Post by **SanjayC** » 13 Feb 2014 11:14

Goras have kept some Indian editors as pets. They are easy to identify with the way they write about India from an American perspective.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 13 Feb 2014 11:16

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 13 Feb 2014 11:47

Modi sets conditions, US swallows Meet on third attempt
telegraphindia.com | Feb 12th 2014

New Delhi, Feb. 11: The US made Narendra Modi wait for more than eight years. But in the end, it was the Gujarat chief minister who forced Washington to plead — not once, not twice, but thrice in the past three months before agreeing to terminate a diplomatic spat that began when the US denied Modi a visa in 2005.

US ambassador to India Nancy Powell will meet Modi on Thursday in Gandhinagar, ending America’s boycott of the BJP’s prime ministerial candidate ahead of the Lok Sabha elections where he is widely viewed as a front-runner.

But it is the US embassy here that was eventually made to sweat for the meeting by Modi after a series of tense attempts at ice-breaking that failed, Indian and American officials aware of the details of the outreach have confirmed to The Telegraph.

Modi eventually agreed only to a meet strictly on his terms, the officials said. The location had to be Gandhinagar; the choice of subjects had to be in tune with his national role; and the US had to discomfit his rivals, the Congress-led central government, by obtaining its approval for the meeting even though Modi and Powell could have circumvented the foreign ministry nod.

The US, left alone in its boycott of Modi for the 2002 Gujarat riots after the European Union and Britain made up with him, accepted the conditions.

“He got what he wanted, and he got it exactly the way he wanted,” an official said. “In the end, they (the US) were chasing him.”

Modi first snubbed the US in November, when the American embassy requested a meeting between Powell and him in New Delhi on the margins of a series of rallies he was to hold in the last week of the month leading up to state elections in the capital.

A meeting on the sidelines of a public event would have helped Washington limit the criticism of an about-turn on its human rights concerns that a full-fledged, one-on-one meet would trigger.

It would also eliminate the need for Powell to seek prior approval from the external affairs ministry. The foreign office, under diplomatic protocol, only expects to be consulted for pre-scheduled, one-on-one meetings between foreign diplomats and constitutional office-holders in India. The foreign ministry, officials confirmed, was not told about the attempted November meet.

But Modi refused to meet Powell on the sidelines of any public event in New Delhi, insisting that any meeting take place in his Gandhinagar office.

The US embassy spokesperson hinted at the November attempt at brokering a truce, but did not comment on details.

“This (the February 13 meeting) is a part of our concerted outreach to senior political and business leaders that began in November to highlight the India-US relationship,” the spokesperson told The Telegraph.

The second snub came in December, when US Congresswoman Madeleine Bordallo from Barack Obama’s Democratic Party wanted to meet Modi along with five Republican Congressmen. Republican Congressmen had earlier too met Modi, but the presence of a Democrat was meant to signal a thaw from Obama’s party.

But Modi turned down a meet with the delegation, citing the arrest of diplomat Devyani Khobragade in New York on charges of visa fraud.

The Gujarat government then told the US embassy that Powell would need the foreign ministry’s approval for a meeting with Modi. The US embassy wrote to the foreign ministry in January, officials said.

Although Modi and the Congress leadership have traded vitriolic barbs in election campaigning, the government had no reason to block the meeting, and approved it on February 7, officials said.

When foreign diplomats meet chief ministers, talks usually revolve around investment. But Modi and Powell will talk about India-US relations, in a willing recognition by Washington that he may be Prime Minister in a few months.

Modi’s snubs appear rooted both in the US delay in breaking the ice with him, and in a specific spat in September 2013.

The BJP had invited Powell to attend Modi’s rally in Delhi on September 29, but the US embassy indicated that Powell would not be able to attend the event.

Washington had begun a thaw in ties with Modi that began on November 16, 2010, when then American consul-general in Mumbai Michael Owen met him in Gandhinagar.

But in September, 2013, the US was still contemplating whether to formally signal an end to its boycott --- a message that would need a meeting between Modi and a senior representative of the Obama administration like the American ambassador to India.

The European Union’s top envoy in India and the ambassadors of Italy, Germany, Greece and six other European nations had already met Modi earlier in the year. And in October, British high commissioner James Bevan travelled to Gandhinagar to meet Modi, the highest diplomatic contact between the UK and the chief minister since the riots.

An angry BJP withdrew the September invitation, leaving US officials worried that they may have burnt under-construction bridges with Modi, who had earlier that month been declared the party’s prime ministerial candidate. This Thursday, the reconstruction will start.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 13 Feb 2014 11:58

Political insult administered by US to Narendra Modi shouldn’t be overlooked - Kanwal Sibal in Economic Times

US diplomacy is a cynical mixture of principle and expediency. The world's foremost power needs to project internationally that its policies are based on certain high principles so that its global hegemony is not seen as resting on raw power alone, but has a moral basis. Hence, its crusade for democracy, rule of law, human rights and individual enterprise, on which rests its 'soft power'. Juggling moral posturing and hard-headed pursuit of national interest often lands the US into contradictions from which opportunism is the only way out.
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Now that Modi appears to be coasting towards political success in the coming elections, the US ambassador has received the green light to engage him. If the US believes in the democratic process legitimising a political leader, why has it disregarded the fact that Modi has won two legislative polls after 2002? If despite sustained enquiries, police investigations and court proceedings Modi has not been found guilty of the acts of commission and omission imputed to him in the 2002 riots, why has the US treated him as a political pariah for the last eight years? So much for US championship of democracy and the rule of law internationally.
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Naturally, the US reach-out to Modi will be interpreted as signifying that the US now expects a change of government in Delhi and acknowledges his possible ascension to power. The US is belatedly trying to extricate itself from an untenable position; its step should not be given any undue importance as its political impact is highly marginal. Exaggerating its importance will only play into US hands, persuading the Americans that they can take objectionable decisions and retract from them at a moment of their choosing, without paying any price because they are too important to be ignored or penalised. The US ambassador need not be rebuffed, but the political insult administered to Modi should not be overlooked easily or too soon.