AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 13 Feb 2014 17:50

merlin wrote:
Vamsi.R wrote:Can someone tell me why BJP is quiet ?
D4.

Exactly. The idea of D4 is to deliver Telangana to SONIA and Andhra to Jagan so that Modi falls short and SS can take over

Vamsi.R · Post by **Vamsi.R** » 13 Feb 2014 17:56

nageshks wrote:
Vamsi.R wrote: Ok..what is this vote on account thing .and also can the govt introduce the bill on voice vote ?
Vote on account is in place of the budget. Money allocation for the remainder of the term, until the next government can present the full budget.

Can the congress introduce the t bill on voice vote to get it passed and will it work ?

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 13 Feb 2014 17:58

http://www.gulte.com/news/25027/Lok-Sab ... ill-Monday

Loksabha Speaker Meira Kumar has adjourned the session till Monday. Hence the Bill would be considered on Monday again. As soon as the 3 o clock session has started within few seconds loksabha was adjourned. Today was a real dramatic day at the parliament, in and outside the house. With the Time nearing Telangana people are in real worry if the time would be sufficient. On the other hand Rajnath Singh from BJP has said that it cannot support the bill with this kind of situation.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 13 Feb 2014 18:03

Vamsi.R wrote: Can the congress introduce the t bill on voice vote to get it passed and will it work ?

As proceedings showed today, CON MAFIA can do anything and every thing.

Do you remember how they bought votes in 2009 and got away with it with help of CNN/IBN. All the dirty players were let off by courts.

Vamsi.R · Post by **Vamsi.R** » 13 Feb 2014 18:12

vivek.rao wrote:
Vamsi.R wrote: Can the congress introduce the t bill on voice vote to get it passed and will it work ?
As proceedings showed today, CON MAFIA can do anything and every thing.

Do you remember how they bought votes in 2009 and got away with it with help of CNN/IBN. All the dirty players were let off by courts.

These cungis

@$&+)%#@$+()))+$@

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 13 Feb 2014 18:21

D4 is now forced to oppose this attempt. It is now clear mafia has lost its "management" ability. Now it survives on manupulation of media (which also it lost due to people like Pappu and MMS who can not communicate at all and social media) CBI, IB, governers, "interlecturals" like Ametha Sen. each of these weapons are proving to be useless against NM. D4 can only support mafia to some extent. Now even they can not support mafia openly.

Basically no one is ready to bailout mafia from this mess. See how RS chairman a mafia appointee refused to take the bill before it is taken up by Lok Sabha. See how US going to meet NM. Everything points to impending all of mafia. Failure of this effort will the grand ending of 10 years of evil.

Vamsi.R · Post by **Vamsi.R** » 13 Feb 2014 18:24

http://m.firstpost.com/india/cong-not-s ... 88969.html

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 13 Feb 2014 18:27

I think in the Interest of normalcy INC and its Chamcha KCR-TRS, should state they needed Telegnana issue to defeat NDA, now forget about it. Yes you were fools to vote for us.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 13 Feb 2014 20:10

Directly from Pepper Spray MP. He says he used to defend him and a TDP MP against attack from Congress goonda MPs.

He also says bill is not introduced the bill the way it should be.

Lagadapati press meet part 2
www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd-VHU7Y3yEa

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 13 Feb 2014 20:30

Pepper spraying Parliament: How Congress is using subterfuge for law making

Apparently, the UPA believes that its electoral mandate from 2009 permits it to introduce and pass a law in Parliament regardless of whether the bill is properly debated, vetted, amended to perfection and whether it at the very least has the consensus of its own cabinet members. That dissenting cabinet members, and dozens of dissenting parliamentarians from its own fold can be ignored because there is a whip or because the numbers for a vote can be managed.

Even assuming that Union Home Minister Sushilkumar Shinde spoke the words indicating the introduction of the bill in the House, it can only be in the theatre of the absurd that such a performance of law-making by a government caught in a legislative gridlock of its own making is considered acceptable. Thursday's melee in the well of Lok Sabha is certainly a new low, but perhaps it was an inevitable new low given the UPA's track record on debate and discussion, those forgotten hallmarks of parliamentary democracy.

In the past weeks, we have seen the UPA exhibit quite unreservedly that law-making for political expediency is not the exception; it is the norm. Rahul Gandhi’s anti-corruption bills (now discarded), the Lokpal Bill, the unseemly hurry with which the Justice Verma Commission’s recommendations were turned into law – the Congress has made subterfuge a habit while legislating.

In fact, the Congress-led UPA has shown complete disregard for Parliamentary process, conventions, the tradition of dialogue across party lines and accommodating, encouraging and comprehending the value of dissent in the process of law-making. The Congress has spent much of its last five years refusing to talk to the Opposition parties and cede some fair ground amid accusations of widespread corruption.

After Thursday’s incident in Parliament, the BJP is crying conspiracy, expectedly so. No papers were placed before the House, no supplementary agenda was circulated mentioning that the bill would be introduced, said Leader of the Opposition in the Lok Sabha Sushma Swaraj. "We were not against the introduction of the bill, but is this the way to do it?"

Its allegation that the ruckus in Lok Sabha on Thursday was stage-managed to engineer a quiet introduction of the Bill and its possible passage under similar circumstances will never be evidenced, but nevertheless, is this the rights based governance that Congress vice president Rahul Gandhi has been promising?

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 13 Feb 2014 20:47

Sonia has 2 goals in mind

1. If she loses vote, she claims as martyr in Telangana and BJP is villain.

2. If she wins, CON in Telangana and Jagan in Andhra.

BJP should claim moral high ground, claim the process is fraud and defeat it and announce they will work with all parties and pass bill next parliament.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 13 Feb 2014 20:54

vivek.rao wrote:Sonia has 2 goals in mind

1. If she loses vote, she claims as martyr in Telangana and BJP is villain.

2. If she wins, CON in Telangana and Jagan in Andhra.

BJP should claim moral high ground, claim the process is fraud and defeat it and announce they will work with all parties and pass bill next parliament.

Congress had 10 years to pass Telangana Bill. Trying to pass it in the last 4 days of the last Parliamentary session of 10 year rule is just not credible or serious!

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 13 Feb 2014 20:59

RajeshA wrote:
vivek.rao wrote:Sonia has 2 goals in mind

1. If she loses vote, she claims as martyr in Telangana and BJP is villain.

2. If she wins, CON in Telangana and Jagan in Andhra.

BJP should claim moral high ground, claim the process is fraud and defeat it and announce they will work with all parties and pass bill next parliament.
Congress had 10 years to pass Telangana Bill. Trying to pass it in the last 4 days of the last Parliamentary session of 10 year rule is just not credible or serious!

But PAPPU & his MAMA think people are such ullus that they will blame it on Naidu,BJP and Modi. They are confident that they screwed 1 Billion Indians for so long that they think they can taken for another 5 years. Do you beg to differ?

People should realize the dangers of this crooked MAFIA and throw them out Telangana or not or samikya andhra or not. Unfortunately, people on this forum itself start infighting as soon as an emotional topic comes.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 13 Feb 2014 21:00

Arnad is hyper as usual. Not allowed Lagadapati to speak. Mafia kick all opposition out and proceeding with creation of the T state. There are some 100 people in the well and only one set of MPs were suspended from the house. I wonder where the degeneration ends. Sushma and other BJP leaders saying that the bill was not even introduced and mafia ministers saying that it is. Entire event is stage managed to push. Had mafia showed the same levels of desire in development these 10 years of evil time would have been a golden era.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 13 Feb 2014 21:15

well lagadapati has confirmed his election in 2014 elections.

His title is now andhra bhagat singh

repeated ads on tv expressing the same

whether sonia or meira kumar will be there next parliament, he will be there

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 13 Feb 2014 21:28

The neat thing about this drama in Parliament is several fence sitters in towns/cities will be disgusted with MAFIA and jump the ship to dump Congis. They would want Modi to restore order.

Sonia might win her 17 seats in Telangana vs 12 she has now but will lose a major share outside if BJP projects it all over India. I am sure Modi will use it in his rallies

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 13 Feb 2014 21:36

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 13 Feb 2014 21:38

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 13 Feb 2014 21:40

gandharva wrote:

Is this the suave Angreji-speaking Jairam Ramesh?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 13 Feb 2014 21:40

Thats JaiRam "Tapori" Ramesh? Fellow is a RS member from AP!

member_28352 · Post by **member_28352** » 13 Feb 2014 21:43

Who is the receipient of Jairam's affections?

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 13 Feb 2014 21:45

latest anti-pepperspray deflection technology on display by Jairam ji.

bhavani · Post by **bhavani** » 13 Feb 2014 21:46

The overall end game as per my understanding

Before Elections
1. If Congress is not able to table and Pass the Telangana Bill

- TRS might go with BJP and Blame Congress, So it makes every sense for Congress to pass the bill as it will be to retain atleast Telangana MP seats.
- Congress will still lose all of Andhra, In any case 25 seats in Andhra are not up for grabs for Congress
- It is a lose lose situation for Congress and BJP gets a Solid foothold in Telangana.
- TDP can go with BJP at the national Stage

2. If Congress get the Bill up for proper Discussion and voting
- BJP might have to Support it as it might not want to lose the minimal support it has in Telangana
- Congress and BJP will lose all of Andhra.
- Congress Will lose Andhra and Gain Telangana a partial Victory
- TDP might no go with BJP at the national level

So the best Case scenario for BJP - The Bill does not come up for discussion at all before elections
So the best Case scenario for Congress - The Bill gets passed before elections

After Elections

If NaMo is able to get all the parties together and get a proper financial resolution and Passes Telangana Bill, Then the BJP will gain a Foot hold in Both sides. It will be a good victory for BJP and TDP.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 13 Feb 2014 21:46

V Hanumanth Rao, popularly known as VH

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 13 Feb 2014 21:56

ShankarCag wrote:Who is the receipient of Jairam's affections?

V. Hanumantha Rao, a Telangana RS MP, ex-APCC president.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 13 Feb 2014 21:57

The bill has been tabled, during the pepper spray time.

It was HM's reading out which was attempted to be blocked by the seemandhra politicians. According to their statements, a 10-15 member congress, i.e. Azharuddin, Raj Babbar, Vijaya Shanti, lal singh etc surrounded him and the speaker. One tdp mp tried to pierce the rings and was physically blocked. They are saying that the mps in ring was actually physically hitting that tdp mp, when lagadapati tried to stop it and pepper sprayed.

Well this is the story according to suspended mp, lagadapati.

Anyway I dont see this is as a badder day than cash than votes day. That was murder for me, this is a nuisance. So yawn ...

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 13 Feb 2014 22:02

The dynasty has to pass this bill. Politically this is as important as creating AAP to salami slice NDA. Here are the steps:
(1) They very well know this will be opposed with extreme violence
(2) They have created a scenario where in the worst case they can blame BJP for not giving Telangana (Plan

.

Plan A:
Step-1 Try via RS. Failed
Step-2 Try in LS failed
Step-3 suspend MPs failed
Step-4 Permanently remove all the nuisance from Parl (success)
Step-5 Negotiate with BJP to get it passed (worst case is to convince BJP to walkout)
Step-6 If BJP votes creates a din announce that the bill passed by voice vote
Step-7 If BJP votes against it then if Government falls then Sonia maam directly goes to Telangana, we even tried with our lives but Modi's BJP is reason for not getting Telangana (PlanB operations)

SA strategy is also like NFL:
(1) No-confidence
(2) creating din every day
(3) they very well know they will be suspended
(4) now the SA Ministers will do the nuisance next (they already gave a glimpse of what they can do on Rly budget day)

At the end of the day come what may this bill has to be passed for dynasty to even survive in India. Telangana is their heart and soul for survival.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 13 Feb 2014 22:06

BJP walking out will NOT happen. That will leave the credit to congress.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 13 Feb 2014 22:15

In my view, BJP should directly say they can't be a party to murder of democracy and they will vote against it. Even if MAFIA passes it, what is the worst that can happen?

CON goes from 12 to 17 in Telangana and 0 in Andhra. TDP/BJP might win 10-15 in AP and Jagan 10 instead of 20+ for Jagan.

C-Survey shows 6 for MAFIA in AP. It goes from 6 to 17 (+11) but this whole drama reduces it on 5-10 seats outside of AP. I don't see any reason for BJP to vote for this bill

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 13 Feb 2014 22:16

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 13 Feb 2014 22:19

vivek.rao,

Remember there is also the factor of its word or trust with people.

It has been the stand of bjp since 1989 kakinada resolution to be for telangana. What will be the value of its word if it goes against a pretty consistent stand.

It can do nothing but not go directly against it.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 13 Feb 2014 22:19

Muppalla wrote:At the end of the day come what may this bill has to be passed for dynasty to even survive in India. Telangana is their heart and soul for survival.

I think Sonia, KCR and Owaisis are trying to build an Islam-protected #Razakaristan in #Telangana, which is supposed to have a strong anti-outsider streak to it, to keep it segregated. It becomes a hub of Islamic money flow in Deccan, with borders with Maharashtra to the north and north-west, Karnataka to the west, Chhattisgarh to the north-east and Odisha to the east, as well as Coastal Andhra and Rayalseema. Such a hub can be protected using Saudi money.

member_28352 · Post by **member_28352** » 13 Feb 2014 22:25

Like Nizam ul Mulk, Rahul Gandhi or Priyanka Gandhi and her children will try to create a new Darul-ul-Islam in Telangana. This will be their new home. If the Owaisis have any sense they will not oppose Hyderabad being given to Telangana.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 13 Feb 2014 22:27

RajeshA wrote:
Muppalla wrote:At the end of the day come what may this bill has to be passed for dynasty to even survive in India. Telangana is their heart and soul for survival.
I think Sonia, KCR and Owaisis are trying to build an Islam-protected #Razakaristan in #Telangana, which is supposed to have a strong anti-outsider streak to it, to keep it segregated. It becomes a hub of Islamic money flow in Deccan, with borders with Maharashtra to the north and north-west, Karnataka to the west, Chhattisgarh to the north-east and Odisha to the east, as well as Coastal Andhra and Rayalseema. Such a hub can be protected using Saudi money.

I said many months ago this is exactly what they are doing - to make T as their Adda. In case of defeat iin elections T can act as shield.

There was rush to give investments in huge sums for Hyderabad.

All these criminal strategies are there. BJP is acting as partner in allowing them to do these make T a Congress zone by voting for it.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 13 Feb 2014 22:36

ShyamSP wrote: I said many months ago this is exactly what they are doing - to make T as their Adda. In case of defeat iin elections T can act as shield.

A Q. for you ShyamSP-ji. The MIM is spreading its tentacles, even into Secunderabad and neighbouring areas like Mahbubnagar. Can they be crushed by the BJP-TDP alliance in the coming elections if Telangana is not formed? Or will they still win? I am not talking about Hyderabad where Muslims are majority, but neighbouring areas like Secunderabad cantonment, etc.

There was rush to give investments in huge sums for Hyderabad.

All these criminal strategies are there. BJP is acting as partner in allowing them to do these make T a Congress zone by voting for it.

There are many things at work here, mainly pressure from the useless Telangana BJP cadre (What did they do all these years? They don't even get as many votes as MIM) and some personal egos involved. But in the end, the BJP will most likely vote against the Bill. LKA spoke against it today, and even SS seems to be backtracking about Telangana.

Secondly, my main grouse against CBN is that he did not do anything against EJs when he (and even NTR, for that matter) were in power. Is there anything to show he is rethinking about the EJs now? After all, EJs are his political enemies now, supporting Jagan. If you have any links that CBN will act against EJs, please add them. You can add Telugu links, I do understand Telugu reasonably.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 13 Feb 2014 22:40

Virupaksha wrote:vivek.rao,

Remember there is also the factor of its word or trust with people.

It has been the stand of bjp since 1989 kakinada resolution to be for telangana. What will be the value of its word if it goes against a pretty consistent stand.

It can do nothing but not go directly against it.

THat is fine. BJP and in fact I do think too much time was spent on stupid Andhra/Telangana debate and lets get it over with it.

But there has to be a due process and you can't let this set a precedent for future actions.

Modi can sit down with Andhra, Telangana for 72 hour negotiation, come up with a proper plan and make it happen.

I don't understand why PAPPU/QUEEN BEE did that. Call all the parties, sit down for negotiation and come up with a proper plan and announce it grandly and show some leadership? How hard is that? Still don't get it. Rajagopal seems to be MAFIA chela for long time.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 13 Feb 2014 22:46

Most of the MPs in andhra today are NOT because of some political work.

They are here because they provide money bags and can summon muscle power.

Before today, nobody voted for lagadapati because of him. He received votes because he is the son in law of Upendra
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P._Upendra

Now today that person is andhra bhagat singh

BJP shouldnt touch these mps, they are toxic and is better off with capturing the lower cadre.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 13 Feb 2014 22:47

So coastal areas and Rayalaseema goes for Jagan with EJ and Hyd and T regions for the faithfuls. Great return for Telugu people for supporting anti national forces at Delhi and anti Indic forces in the state. I am still surprised to see Jagan projected to win 13 seats. Why are people going to vote for him I am not sure. but if this is true then Telugu people deserve what they are getting.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 13 Feb 2014 22:53

^^ I asked a telugu friend. People don't even comprehend the way EJs, CONgis, Naxals all work together. The only thing they see/care is doles of YSR. So Jagan inherits all his goodwill

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 13 Feb 2014 22:54

Narayana Rao wrote:So coastal areas and Rayalaseema goes for Jagan with EJ and Hyd and T regions for the faithfuls. Great return for Telugu people for supporting anti national forces at Delhi and anti Indic forces in the state. I am still surprised to see Jagan projected to win 13 seats. Why are people going to vote for him I am not sure. but if this is true then Telugu people deserve what they are getting.

This is a wave election.

Only Jagan's party today stands for united AP. Without this factor, he would have been a bygone. Problem is with the telangana issue, there is no other issue. So corruption by Jagan became a non factor. Even then he is on the downward trend, if the elections were somewhere in 2015-16, he would have got 4-5 seats.