Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 13 Feb 2014 21:29

Sucks that my state still has the Palm. Aaackk thooo to us.

But I blame the BJP, they spat at all the goodwill they had.

member_28397 · Post by **member_28397** » 13 Feb 2014 21:31

I was watching C Voters poll on TimesNow its 227 for NDA, 27 for Jaya and 10 for TDP. So according to poll a stable and strong NaMo led Govt. is coming

, I will open Blue Label on the day NaMo takes oath as PM

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Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 13 Feb 2014 21:34

muraliravi wrote:I think above all, if he starts indigenous defence manufacturing, that is the west's most important agenda, india's should not makes its own weapons.

Spot on saar spot on, and that's why I want Namo to hold onto defence ministry or put a person as our DM who shares his vision and will get the job done. Sonia-MMS combo weren't on a purchase spree to "fill" our defence needs but to make India dependant on US and hence a vassal state.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 13 Feb 2014 21:38

the worrying thing for bjp is NDA is not able to fill the vacuum created by cong downturn. others are at 210+, not much less than NDA at 227.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 13 Feb 2014 21:47

MaharathiArjun wrote:I was watching C Voters poll on TimesNow its 227 for NDA, 27 for Jaya and 10 for TDP. So according to poll a stable and strong NaMo led Govt. is coming , I will open Blue Label on the day NaMo takes oath as PM .

You think JJ will support BJP? She might be eyeing the PM post herself.

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 13 Feb 2014 21:48

even more worrying for me is that the projected NDA tally is lesser than the mandate UPA got in 2009. The tally will only improve in run up to elections but that still is a point of disappointment.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 13 Feb 2014 21:51

Rahul M wrote:the worrying thing for bjp is NDA is not able to fill the vacuum created by cong downturn. others are at 210+, not much less than NDA at 227.

True. Primarily becoz if you look at the map it is absent in the east coast to south belt.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 13 Feb 2014 21:52

JJ isn't stupid. She sees what is happening to Nitish. If she doesn't ally with BJP her entire vote share in the state will be decimated in less than 5 years. She will ally and get a cabinet post. However, I don't think Modi or Amit trust her in any capacity. Better she gets neutralized.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 13 Feb 2014 21:53

SanjayC wrote:Aggressive Narendra Modi brings up Devyani Khobragade, 26/11 attack in meet with US Ambassador

How does this make him Aggressive per the News report?

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 13 Feb 2014 21:54

JJ is not very sane. She dumped NDA in 1998 on frivolous grounds.

member_28397 · Post by **member_28397** » 13 Feb 2014 21:54

SwamyG wrote:
MaharathiArjun wrote:I was watching C Voters poll on TimesNow its 227 for NDA, 27 for Jaya and 10 for TDP. So according to poll a stable and strong NaMo led Govt. is coming , I will open Blue Label on the day NaMo takes oath as PM .
You think JJ will support BJP? She might be eyeing the PM post herself.

PM for 6 months... 1 Year may be in 3rd front circus with outside CON support maybe , but this will dent her vote bank pretty seriously and she probably knows that. Instead of that if she supports NaMo she will get atleast 2-3 Cabinet(she can become a deputy PM in long run) level ministers for 10-15 years and total control of foreign policy with respect to Lanka. And will probably keep her incumbent in TN for a long time. She is politically smarter than all of us combined. NaMo is destiny's child now she will support NaMo4PM. I am pretty confident.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 13 Feb 2014 21:57

I think that Rajiv Malhotra is going to be a big player in education reform if Modi makes it to the PM seat. It will take about 1-2 decades to reverse the damage and promote dharmic thought. Competitive university system in social and hard science is a must if we want to overtake the West and China.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 13 Feb 2014 21:58

RoyG wrote:JJ isn't stupid. She sees what is happening to Nitish. If she doesn't ally with BJP her entire vote share in the state will be decimated in less than 5 years. She will ally and get a cabinet post. However, I don't think Modi or Amit trust her in any capacity. Better she gets neutralized.

Bihar not equal to TN. Modi has to do something very hard to sway and decimate *MK vote share. And JJ is no Nitish. Different region, different priorities and issues.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 13 Feb 2014 21:59

I think we should create a Modi wish list thread. Everything from cabinet posts, to foreign policy.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 13 Feb 2014 22:00

SwamyG wrote:
RoyG wrote:JJ isn't stupid. She sees what is happening to Nitish. If she doesn't ally with BJP her entire vote share in the state will be decimated in less than 5 years. She will ally and get a cabinet post. However, I don't think Modi or Amit trust her in any capacity. Better she gets neutralized.
Bihar not equal to TN. Modi has to do something very hard to sway and decimate *MK vote share. And JJ is no Nitish. Different region, different priorities and issues.

What is she feeding her state to stay in power?

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 13 Feb 2014 22:03

I think the essence of the kongis is that they manage to make the people(even the passionate ones) lose all interest and hope in dhesh. Eventually, people start feeling,"This is a useless country. Lets just look after our own interests." So they also indulge in hook or crook activity to get ahead. Kongis pit every individual against the others, every group against the others, every caste against the others, and every region against the others. Its like there are 10 hungry mouths and kongis throw only one bread piece. Obviously, there will be fights between these people for that bread piece and the kongi will stand as the judge in that fight. Kongis and its proxies also posture as the moral keeper even while creating conditions that destroy all morality.

The starting point for the degradation is the lose of hope that something positive can be done. During the NDA rule, there was a lot of confidence in Bhaarath. That confidence can make people do lot of things. The kongis destroyed it completely. Whenever the kongis rule, there is always complete breakdown on all fronts. They keep blaming everyone and everything. Things look bleak on every issue. There is no hope. People want to just get away from such a depressing situation. Those who can get away, get away. Those who can't get away are struck and keep cursing their fate for being born in such a country. People simply lose interest in politics. This is the essence of the kongi rule. (One saving grace for dhesh is that people here are very religious. So, religion offers them solace. Due to strong philosophical depth of indic religions, the people get some solace. And the strong family system of Bhaarath, also helps the country in many ways to weather the kongis and their rule. But, the despicable kongis attack even the indic religions and the family system.)

The best thing about NaMo is that he is able to inspire hope that things can change for better. This hope makes the people do things in positive ways. If NaMo can faciliate the efforts of people by removing the red-tape of babugiri, then lot can be achieved.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 13 Feb 2014 22:03

JJ is now more intelignet than ever(and crazy as always). NDA projected tally does not include TDP which is projected to get 10 seats. But if T is not given because BJP is now opposing it and NM and CBN join there may be 25-30 seats in AP and suddenly we have NDA at 257 projected seats. CBN is meeting with lot of regional leaders and if NM reasonable towards regional leaders I am sure they will be doing business with him. Most like Patnaik and even Mamtha may prefer not to deal with mafia once again and with no chance of thurd gang will be reconsoiled to be CMs.

UP was projected as 34 seats with 28% votes. I feel this is going to increase. So we are very near and going towards 272plus.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 13 Feb 2014 22:05

RoyG wrote:What is she feeding her state to stay in power?

Amma canteens, Amma mineral water. No big ticket scam to attract undue attention. People are still angry at DMK and Cong for 2G scam. No real opposition. All are these Amma's plus points. But IT returns case needs to be watched out.

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 13 Feb 2014 22:07

RoyG wrote:I think we should create a Modi wish list thread. Everything from cabinet posts, to foreign policy.

1) Amit Shah: Ministry of Home Affairs and Ministry of Information & Broadcasting.

member_28397 · Post by **member_28397** » 13 Feb 2014 22:09

RoyG wrote:I think we should create a Modi wish list thread. Everything from cabinet posts, to foreign policy.

My Wish(in order of priority) is
1.Pipeline stopped from West and Saud for missionaries-islamists and CONs-Media
2.Congress uprootment drive
3.More Indic universities(Classical Literature, Ayurveda, Music)
4.River Linking and Faster rail networks. P
5.Pokharan 3

Don't care much for good governance if NaMo can create at least 10 million jobs every year I will say India will become 4th largest GDP by the end of his 1st term.

disha · Post by **disha** » 13 Feb 2014 22:10

2). Varun Gandhi: Ministry of minority affairs

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 13 Feb 2014 22:14

in Chai pe Charcha Modi brought up issue of black money. Last time this topic started getting mileage AH and AK happened. Wonder what will happen this time.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 13 Feb 2014 22:15

disha wrote:2). Varun Gandhi: Ministry of minority affairs

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 13 Feb 2014 22:15

disha wrote:2). Varun Gandhi: Ministry of minority affairs

My wishlist: Don't accomodate any dynast. If anyone from X's family(papa, mama, in-laws, bros or sis) was in cabinet in the past, then X should not be in the cabinet. X may be very deserving, but surely one can find replacements for X. There is too much power concentrated into very few political families. That needs to be ended. This oligarchy is the root for all sorts of problems like corruption, inefficiency, and even phoren intervention through blackmail and honeytraps.

I know its too unlikely, but one can dream, right?!

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 13 Feb 2014 22:17

3) Subramanian Swamy: MHRD (harvard controversy)

member_28397 · Post by **member_28397** » 13 Feb 2014 22:20

anmol wrote:3) Subramanian Swamy: MHRD (harvard controversy)

The more apt ministry for Subramanian Swamy should be Congress+BTeam Uprootment Ministry. NaMo should take fortnightly status from Swamy on this.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 13 Feb 2014 22:29

kmkraoind wrote:
RoyG wrote:What is she feeding her state to stay in power?
Amma canteens, Amma mineral water. No big ticket scam to attract undue attention. People are still angry at DMK and Cong for 2G scam. No real opposition. All are these Amma's plus points. But IT returns case needs to be watched out.

TN has not had a national party for almost half a century anywhere near the state power corridors. That is its political culture. If people do not like her, they are not going to go overnight and vote for Modi, they might vote for the other local leaders.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 13 Feb 2014 23:41

MaharathiArjun wrote:
anmol wrote:3) Subramanian Swamy: MHRD (harvard controversy)
The more apt ministry for Subramanian Swamy should be Congress+BTeam Uprootment Ministry. NaMo should take fortnightly status from Swamy on this.

I would say, best not to give him any ministry at all and keep him out of nda/bjp. Knowing his antics, i still wonder why he was taken into bjp.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 13 Feb 2014 23:46

Maybe the need to meet Modi so urgently was due to the AP state division bill in Lok Sabha?

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 13 Feb 2014 23:49

I forget, but one recent comment from somebody (non-aam-admi, maybe a journalist) said "Subramanian Swamy who most likely be the deputy prime minister in Modi's government ..."

KLP Dubey · Post by **KLP Dubey** » 13 Feb 2014 23:53

kmkraoind wrote:
RoyG wrote:What is she feeding her state to stay in power?
Amma canteens, Amma mineral water. No big ticket scam to attract undue attention. People are still angry at DMK and Cong for 2G scam. No real opposition. All are these Amma's plus points. But IT returns case needs to be watched out.

Some time ago a few relatives of mine visited the Madross zoo. Some of the tour guides were introducing the female animals as Amma snake ("Jayalalitha paambu"), Amma leopard etc.

There is extreme sycophancy towards some "women leaders" in the south, especially Andhra and TN. A sure-shot way for Antonia to survive in Indian politics is to run for CM in Andhra.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 14 Feb 2014 00:08

anmol wrote:3) Subramanian Swamy: MHRD (harvard controversy)

I prefer he is deported.

Guys, don't count the chicken before the hatch. For all we know there will not be general elections any time soon. Presidential rule, emergency etc because of chaos and anarchy.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 14 Feb 2014 00:11

I think MR Venkatesh should take over ICAI or put in charge of the RBI or Gurumurthy should take over RBI.

Amit Shah is an obvious choice for HM.

Brahma Chellaney as NSA (This will send a strong message to the Chinese)

Shourie should be in charge of a committee to revamp the entire political structure (presidential) and divestment.

Piyush Goel should be finance minister

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 14 Feb 2014 00:16

Kya kar rahe ho boss?! BJP will lose onleee...

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 14 Feb 2014 00:17

ADMK wont get chennai seats is my guess. In the assembly elections, after a long time admk breached chennai and took some seats from dmk stronghold areas. This time her game is up. No projects in the city, shoddy management of the metro project started by previous govt, bad power situation. In my opinion, when stalin was mayor of chennai, he did far better. Chennai is essentially a DMK city, they gave her a chance and i am not sure she has shown any results for them to vote her back. Of course people hate the usual natak that she does like, moving out of the CM bhavan DMK built and making another just because they made it etc..

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 14 Feb 2014 00:18

SwamyG wrote:
anmol wrote:3) Subramanian Swamy: MHRD (harvard controversy)
I prefer he is deported.

Guys, don't count the chicken before the hatch. For all we know there will not be general elections any time soon. Presidential rule, emergency etc because of chaos and anarchy.

+1000. I mean isn't it time, i am surprised they have not announced dates yet, shouldn't the 1st phase be conducted in early april.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 14 Feb 2014 00:24

SwamyG wrote: Guys, don't count the chicken before the hatch. For all we know there will not be general elections any time soon. Presidential rule, emergency etc because of chaos and anarchy.

Presidential rule and chaos can happen if there is no clear mandate (like in Delhi) after the elections. It won't happen instead of elections.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 14 Feb 2014 00:31

Supratik wrote:JJ is not very sane. She dumped NDA in 1998 on frivolous grounds.

people change. while she is still not a person to be crossed, she is much mellowed. has cut out bad influences etc.

her first stint was probably the worst TN had to endure. dmk may have made more money off scams in the last govt, but the JJ antics of early 90s were unimaginable.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 14 Feb 2014 02:54

I like how she administered a fine jhappad on Karan Thappad.