AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 15 Feb 2014 20:16

What is news here. SP does not have another ideas than support mafia in Delhi for the time being and in future as long as Goondaraj is allowed to continue in UP. Serious media war is being waged by mafia on any forces which does not support its T efforts. BJPs D4 now face the test of their capabilities to find advantageous position in these conditions. It is also a serious test for D4 commitment for BJP win in 2014.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 15 Feb 2014 20:33

It is beginning to look like the Mafia will be able to push the bill through, no matter what the BJP wants, in LS (with the SP supporting the Mafia).

What will be the effect in Telangana and SeemaAndhra if the BJP abstains during voting? Oppose the division of the state on the grounds that the BJP agrees with the creation of Telangana, but does not subscribe to the screwing of SeemaAndhra during debate, but abstain during voting, if there is a vote? Would appreciate our resident Andhra experts comments.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 Feb 2014 20:41

It depends on BJP objectives. If its to gain power in Andhra Pradesh they should oppose the bill as it is not equitable. This will get them a foot hold in Andhra. Even if they vote for the bill they wotn get a toe hold in Telangana region.
This is a Cahnkian moment. Congress is making people choose. Not a time for abstaining or walk out.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 15 Feb 2014 21:39

Published on Feb 15, 2014
Jagan Seeking to Rope In Third Front on Telangana: Outlook

YSR Congress, which is opposed to bifurcation of Andhra Pradesh, today appeared to have got a shot in the arm as JD(U) promised to firm up a common position of 11 parties of an emerging 'Front' on the issue.

"We have made a front. We will try to have one opinion over Andhra Pradesh's division and Telangana after talking with each other. This is what I have told Jaganmohan," JD(U) President Sharad Yadav said after his meeting with YSR Congress Chief Y S Jaganmohan Reddy here.

"It's no longer about my party as we have to take everybody along now," Yadav told reporters.

Asked whether he has invited the YSR Congress into the Third Front, Yadav said, "we have not talked about this."

Reddy said Yadav has agreed to discuss the issue with leaders of 11 non-Congress non-BJP parties including Left, AIADMK, Samajwadi Party and Janata Dal (Secular). They will chalk out a strategy on how to deal with the situation on the floor of the House if a discussion on the Bill takes place in Lok Sabha.

"He (Yadav) is going to discuss the matter with other parties who have decided to coordinate on floor management," said the Andhra leader, who was suspended from the Lok Sabha along with 15 other Seemandhra MPs for disrupting House proceedings over Telangana issue.

"We have requested him (Yadav) to positively prevail on the entire 11 parties to ensure that this injustice is stopped. We are just hoping and praying to God that entire opposition would stand together and move against the government to stop this injustice," Reddy said.

The fresh move comes in the wake of the government trying to pass the bill in Parliament but seven parties including the BJP have questioned the manner in which the controversial Telangana Bill was introduced in Lok Sabha.

"We have come here to request Sharad Yadav to fight against the injustice. Because Parliament is going ahead and breaking an unwilling state... A state which has clearly passed a resolution against the division," Reddy said.

Reddy questioned the manner in which the bill was introduced in the Lower House.

He said Speaker Meira Kumer did not seek the House's permission before admitting the Bill.

"Speaker should have said ...I want to see the Ayes and I want to see the Noes. Depending on the number of hands raised... If the hands raised are more in number for introduction of the Bill, then the bill stands introduced. If the number of hands raised so against the bill ,then the bill can not be introduced."

"But such formality was not followed. Speaker directly came, within ten seconds, without asking anybody...Yet the bill was introduced. In no democracy it actually takes place. I am protesting against this...All parties, including BJP... SP...All are protesting against this," Reddy said.

Dasari · Post by **Dasari** » 15 Feb 2014 21:47

ramana wrote:It depends on BJP objectives. If its to gain power in Andhra Pradesh they should oppose the bill as it is not equitable. This will get them a foot hold in Andhra. Even if they vote for the bill they wotn get a toe hold in Telangana region.
This is a Cahnkian moment. Congress is making people choose. Not a time for abstaining or walk out.

Fully agree. If BJP doesn't vote against the bill, they cannot make inroads in SA, no matter how much they want to pacify with post election promises. There are more troubles in the pipeline that will make their position even more untenable 1. The spontaneous debate on rajdhani will rip the SA further, generating even more anger against the parties responsible for the mess. 2. I also anticipate some trouble in Hyderabad- when one side is dejected with defeat and the other side is beaming with joy at the defeat of the other side, expect some trouble.

Think about the two propositions that BJP has: 1. We voted against T, and we will divide it more peacefully after elections 2. We voted for separation but we will financially compensate SA after elections. Which one is more believable, considering you can't get even Rs 10000 crores from the bankrupted center. In the first proposition, TRS has no option other than dumping Congress and aligning with BJP, the winning horse. In that respect congress gets less mileage out of T, and completely routed out of SA. I don't know why BJP is not considering this.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 15 Feb 2014 21:59

Ok, the best case scenario for the kongis is:
7 seats in T and Gajan winning in Coastal-Seema and TRS winning in T. If TRS merges with kongis, then its a factor that can throw strange results. It seems the calculations so far are that if the kongis merge with TRS, then it will sweep the T. But, I don't think thats true. Infact, it may backfire.

The best case scenario for the lotus is:
2 seats in T and TDP sweeping the coastal-seema.

So, on their own the national parties can either win 2 or 7. For this, these people are ready to do anything?! And can't even take a principle stand? If that is the level, then its truly disheartening. What will they do(or doing) where there are bigger stakes? No wonder the dhesh is in mess.

Consider the other side:
Coastal-seema will give 25 seats to anyone who opposes the division of state including kongis and lotus...even at this stage. Even at this stage, if the kongis or lotus change their stand, then they will make windfall gains in coastal and seema regions. Why are these people so interested in 2/7 seats and not worrying about the 25 seats? Is it about seats at all?

Perhaps, the only explanation is:
Kongis think they can ally with KCR and sweep the T, while let the Gajan sweep coastal-seema and later ally with him...which means all the seats are back in kongi bag. This seems like a good plan. But, there are too many factors for it to work. It seems more like a hope than a plan.

I think a more simple explanation is that the kongis are doing a brit equivalent of partition to keep things unstable to screw the next sarkaar.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 15 Feb 2014 22:14

Dasari wrote: Think about the two propositions that BJP has: 1. We voted against T, and we will divide it more peacefully after elections 2. We voted for separation but we will financially compensate SA after elections. Which one is more believable, considering you can't get even Rs 10000 crores from the bankrupted center. In the first proposition, TRS has no option other than dumping Congress and aligning with BJP, the winning horse. In that respect congress gets less mileage out of T, and completely routed out of SA. I don't know why BJP is not considering this.

I absolutely agree with you, Dasari-ji. But from what I am hearing about the Bill from the BJP's IT cell, there are two problems for the BJP in voting against the Telangana Bill.
1) The Telangana BJP cadre (where there are quite a few people, even if they are ineffective) has gone absolutely ballistic about the prospect of the BJP voting against the Bill. Many of the T-BJP cadre are threatening to burn themselves in front of the BJP office in Hyderabad if the BJP does not vote for the bill. I suspect they are being quietly encouraged to do as much drama as possible by Kishan Reddy to pressurise the leadership to bolster his personal political ambitions. This is something that is giving the anti-Telangana BJP pause. Worse, all the anti-Telangana BJP leaders are mostly from outside the state - only Vishnu Kumar Raju, and Venkaiah Naidu are of any consequence in AP in the anti-Telangana camp. The outside leaders' opinions will automatically have lower weight in this matter.

2) There is a senior BJP leaders camp that wants to vote for the Telangana Bill because they have their personal egos invested in the Telangana matter. They keep harping that the BJP credibility will be gone if they vote against the Bill, that they should make a deal with the Congress for a rich package for SA (who will pay for this package? Next government is nearly broke, thanks to the antics of the Congress). They are also selling the claim that the BJP will be able to win Mahabubnagar and Secunderabad on its own, if the BJP votes for the T-Bill and this will be impossible if the BJP votes against the T-BIll (can you offer any insight on this matter? Can the BJP win these seats, and is it only if the BJP supports the T-Bill? What if the BJP goes in alliance with TDP? Can it still win Secunderabad?)

From what I can see, this is the first vital test for Narendra Modi. He will have to take control of the situation, and pull the senior BJP leaders back into line. The wipe out of the Congress is the most important thing in this election. In this matter, we should be able to see just how much power NaMo has over the party. Will he take control of the situation, and rein in the useless `leaders' - none of whom can even win a seat without BJP help, or will he give in to blackmail by a useless bunch of senior leaders, and the Nizam praising T-cadre? We shall soon see.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 15 Feb 2014 22:53

Narendra Modi accuses Congress of playing vote bank politics through Telangana

Bharatiya Janata Party's (BJP) prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi has accused the Congress Party of spreading unrest in Andhra Pradesh by practicing vote bank politics over the Telangana issue.

Addressing a rally in Surat from where he also flagged off a 'Vikas Jyoti Yatra' on Friday, Modi said the Congress is harvesting poison by the course it has chosen to bifurcate Andhra Pradesh and create a new Telangana state. "You sowed the seeds of poison. The whole of Andhra Pradesh is burning. The way you want to create Telangana from Andhra, the vote bank tactics and the harvesting of poison, has led to the result that neither Telangana is happy nor Seemandhra," claimed Modi.

Modi further said: "They are using filmy dialogues that some people indulge in harvesting poison. I would like to tell you who does harvesting of poison and who harvests love."

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 15 Feb 2014 23:29

Sandhya Jain in Niti Central

No one but Congress to blame for lingering Telangana crisis

The fierce resistance of Andhra Pradesh MPs to the tabling of the AP Reorganisation Bill, 2013 to bifurcate India’s first linguistic State assumed a new dimension with the use of pepper spray and possibly the flashing of a knife (vehemently denied) within the hallowed precincts of the Lok Sabha. This incident resulted in the Speaker and four MPs being rushed to the hospital even as Parliament had to be adjourned. As many as 18 MPs, including YS Jaganmohan Reddy, have been suspended from the House, an issue that will not perturb them unduly as the Election Commission will soon declare the schedule of the Parliamentary election.

Meanwhile, YS Jaganmohan Reddy, whose YSR Congress is vehemently opposed to the bifurcation, has challenged the Bill, which is being deemed as introduced by the Speaker as the chaos in the House did not permit voting by ‘Ayes’ and ‘Nos’ and no papers were tabled. This is also the view of the BJP, SP, BJD, the CPI(M) and the TMC, whose leaders met Speaker Meira Kumar to convey the same. For now, the only way out of the maze, as suggested by BJP veteran LK Advani, is for the UPA to retreat, go in for the vote-on-account and pave the way for fresh elections.

Responsibility for Thursday’s shocking turn of events lies solely with the Congress, whose own Andhra MPs and MLAs, including Chief Minister N Kiran Kumar Reddy, were vehemently opposed to the move. Whatever the merits of the bifurcation, the Telangana issue has been seriously mishandled by the UPA from the very beginning. Without any serious homework or preparation, the then Home Minister P Chidambaram suddenly made a midnight announcement on Sonia Gandhi’s birthday, December 8, 2009, that the separate State would be created. He later backtracked a bit saying that much remained to be done in the matter, but thereafter the UPA did little or nothing.

On Thursday, when the lame duck regime made it clear that it would somehow or other table the Bill in the Lok Sabha (this was after Vice-President Hamid Ansari refused permission to table the Bill in the Rajya Sabha on account of it having financial implications), trouble was only to be expected. It bears recalling that Andhra Pradesh was created only after Potti Sriramulu fasted unto death to force the division of Telugu-speaking areas from the then Madras Presidency. This time too, legislators had threatened to immolate themselves. Hence it was no surprise when Telugu Desam Party MP K Narayana Rao collapsed in the House after apparently consuming something and had to be rushed to Ram Manohar Lohia Hospital.

Three other MPs needed medical attention after L Rajagopalan launched a pepper spray attack in which he was also injured. Speaker Meira Kumar was rushed home as she felt the effects of the pepper spray in her office connected to the House, as did many journalists in the balcony above. TDP MP Venugopal Reddy claimed that the ‘knife’ in his hand was a mike broken off the Secretary General’s table; the glass on the table was smashed by L Rajagopalan.

Back in Andhra Pradesh, three MLAs, Adala Prabhakar Reddy and Sridhar Krishna Reddy (of Nellore district) and B Satyananda Rao (East Godavari), have resigned from the Congress to protest against the move to divide the State. Others from Seemandhra are expected to follow as on February 11, the Congress expelled six Lok Sabha MPs from the Seemandhra region for giving notices of No Confidence Motion against the UPA Government. On Wednesday, February 12, even Central Ministers had moved into the well of the House to force adjournment on this contentious issue, forcing the Prime Minister to express sadness at the turn of events.

There is no denying that the Congress has seriously mishandled the entire episode. As the issue now seems postponed for the present, it may be pertinent to recall that in July 2013, the UPA set up the Antony Committee to look into the grievances of all sections of the State; but the Committee never visited the non-Telengana region at all. Till date, it is not known if the Antony Committee made a report; if it did, the report was never made public. However, suddenly in October 2013, the Union Cabinet passed a note regarding the division of the State. The Congress also claimed that till 2008, both the TDP and YSR Congress supported a separate Telengana, and changed their minds later.

Opponents of a separate Telangana point out that the then Prime Minister Indira Gandhi firmly opposed division in 1972 on the grounds that every State and every region within a State has areas that are relatively backward and relatively advanced. She said alleged backwardness is no criteria for division because if States are divided on this basis, the process would go on till each district was separate.

United Andhra proponents say that there is logic in unity because the different regions of the State have been integrated economically and socially since its formation in 1953, a phenomenon strengthened by the post-globalisation economy. That is why, when power sector employees went on strike to protest the proposed bifurcation, this crippled the electricity supply in all regions in the State capital Hyderabad and especially hurt farmers in Telengana. The neighbouring States of Odisha, Tamil Nadu and Karnataka were also hit. Justice Srikrishna Committee established the veracity of more or less equal development and under-development in all regions, and effectively debunked the rationale for a separate State.

With India having made a spectacle of itself before the international community, the Congress owes the nation an explanation for trying the ram the Bill down the nation’s throat even after the Andhra Pradesh Legislative Assembly voted against bifurcation by full majority on January 30, 2014. Knowing the emotive character of the people, having received threats of immolation, the ruling dynasty cannot pretend ignorance of the issue’s potential for violence in the State and in the Capital. Yet it proceeded on its predetermined path with cavalier lack of concern for consequences.

There is no choice now but to let passions cool down. Chief Minister Kiran Kumar Reddy says that the party high command wants to bifurcate the State without any reason or basis and without arriving at a consensus while ignoring its linguistic and cultural homogeneity and the economic and administrative viability of the separated regions. It is now up to the proponents of bifurcation to explain to the rest of India what the rationale is for dividing the nation’s first linguistic State.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 15 Feb 2014 23:39

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 16 Feb 2014 02:56

Punjab has five rivers and the sixth river is the boundary of India since Ghauri.

Historically the area between the Easternmost rivers Satluj and Beaus was the most fertile., thus people of this area became Rich (Jalandhar, Hoshiarpur region) Area called "DOAB". AB means water and Do means Two. So area between two waters.

Other areas between Chenab and Jhelum were called "Chaj Doab"
Areas between Ravi and Chenab was called "Rachna Doab"
Area between Ravi and Beaus was called "Bari Doab"
Area between Jhelum and Indus was called "Sind Sagar Doab"
Area south of Satluj was called "Malwa" and it was mostly desert or not much water with biggest city being Sarhind, Ludhiana, etc.

Then in early years of Mughal power Sikh Gurus established many cities in Bari Doab (Amritsar, Goindwal) close to Mughal towns like Lahore and Batala., the poor people of other areas flocked to these new cities and villages around them so Bari doab became the center of Punjab (Amritsar and Lahore).

Sikhs took over Power between Indus and Yamuna while British were slowly occupying India. The Sikh kingdom in power in the Malwa region (current congress supporters) aligned with British against Maharaja Ranjit Singh who consolidated all the areas west of Satluj and across river Indus. He let British invade Sindh but knew in his life that after him British will take over his kingdom too. In the 39 years of his rule he created many small canals linking the rivers in his areas and thus more people from DOAB moved and settled all over the Western part of Punjab (Cities like Virkgarh which is now called Sheikhupura, Gujranwala, Rawalpindi, etc were expanded).

After British took over they created even more cities like Montomery and Lyallpur to settle the retiring soldiers (from all over India there are many villages that have names of soldiers from Bengal, South, etc). These soldiers were given land (and more land if bravery) so the soldiers who got jungles they and their descendants cleared them.

Sir Ganga Ram was a civil engineer who joined these rivers in Bari doab and made it no.1 in world in wheat production.
He also helped people around Lyallpur to grow cotton (water preservation) and thus Lyallpur (now called Faisalabad) was called "Manchester of the East" (almost all cotton that Pakistan exports now is around this area). The majority of the factories in Lyallpur were owned by non-muslims (some converted mostly came to India and established again).

Then also around the same time 1900-1920s the area of DOAB people started going abroad (Malaysia, Canada, USA, England) for jobs, etc. Due to smaller hand holdings.

Now people of all Punjab area going out of India due to the same problem (smaller land holdings and not enough jobs).
It is all economy and events like Partition, wars, political takeovers that have caused this misery.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 16 Feb 2014 07:43

In the meanwhile the down slide on for Telugu people is nearing completion.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 492996.cms

http://gulfnews.com/news/world/india/an ... -1.1291404.

http://www.mumbaimirror.com/news/india/ ... 479784.cms

The a part of TDP now going to be separatist party??? CBN may have serious problem as he failed to address the opposition to the division. If state is divided with BJP support then it is quite possible TDP leaders may take up separatist demand during elections as they have no face to show to public with CBN as their leader. His development slogan may not be listened as this division went beyond normal administrative one. Suspension of MPs and befor that beating them up in parliament in an organised assault is going to be a serious issue.

The evil politicos will do many thing. I fear this slide may become a long term one and unless Indic forces seriously think on this immediately we may have a long term problem here. Residual Mafia leaders will have to leave mafia and may take up these kind of demands as survival requirement. We already have similar parties in TN in south and now in another state which will have serious financial problems as revenue from Hyd will stop, jobs are not there, all industries, educational institutions etc lost to Telangana. Further serious insults made during T agitations will also shown repeatedly on Telugu Tvs to create further sense of hurt and humiliation. Our politicos are experts in this kind of evil things.

EJ forces fishing in troubled waters and looters like Jagan using these kinds of demands for their ends is also a danger.

Best way would be BJP immediately ensure suspension of MPs revoked. Mafia will not do it. If BJP fails at least in this then they also will have no face to show in 25 MP seats in decades to come. At least allowing MPs to some dramas in Parliament will cool things a bit.

Nuzividu town is famous for mangos. I hope it will remain so. Not as a separatist slogan birth place.

vina · Post by **vina** » 16 Feb 2014 08:32

Narayana Rao wrote: The Residual Mafia leaders will have to leave mafia and may take up these kind of demands as survival requirement. We already have similar parties in TN in south and now in another state which will have serious financial problems as revenue from Hyd will stop, jobs are not there, all industries, educational institutions etc lost to Telangana. Further serious insults made during T agitations will also shown repeatedly on Telugu Tvs to create further sense of hurt and humiliation. Our politicos are experts in this kind of evil things.
Nuzividu town is famous for mangos. I hope it will remain so. Not as a slogan birth place.

The churlishness is breathtaking . Why ,the T guys can come up with the exact same rhetoric if T isn't granted!

This business about Hyderabad's taxes funding your life in Guntur etc is not sustainable. You can't live on perpetual handouts. Not that this is a specifically Coastal Andhra problem, ( eg if old Mysore areas and coastal areas separate out of KTK, north KTK will be a rump), the solution is to build andhra into an economic powerhouse and do what it takes to make that happen. Do that and the T folks will be migrating yo Ancyra in search of jobs and livelihood and not the other way around as present .

Dasari · Post by **Dasari** » 16 Feb 2014 09:01

vina wrote:
The churlishness is breathtaking . Why ,the T guys can come up with the exact same rhetoric if T isn't granted!

What about yours? Why would T guys come with this rhetoric? They were pampered in one form or other for the last 60 years. Now they are given the golden goose for free to enjoy until it is done. It is the other side where the clock is set back by 60 years.

vina wrote: This business about Hyderabad's taxes funding your life in Guntur etc is not sustainable. You can't live on perpetual handouts. Not that this is a specifically Coastal Andhra problem, ( eg if old Mysore areas and coastal areas separate out of KTK, north KTK will be a rump), the solution is to build andhra into an economic powerhouse and do what it takes to make that happen. Do that and the T folks will be migrating yo Ancyra in search of jobs and livelihood and not the other way around as present .

Is this future plan once the golden goose is done? Do you expect the pampering to continue once the division is done, especially when the separatist movement was created by inciting hatred against fellow telugu people.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 16 Feb 2014 09:30

The reasons for division are not economical or social. They are for power in Delhi. Sonia wants her son to be PM and divided AP. Everyone knows and accepts it except Tvadis who are now building temples for her.

Now BJP also may also support it. Thereafter what can you tell to residual state people? There is reason for mafia to abandon that part of India. What is the reason for Indic forces. The unity of this nation is more civilization than political. But if the civilization forces like BJP and RSS abandon a portion of the nation then what???

Politicos in residual AP are mostly Mafia scum. Even CBN is ex-mafia. They are all looking to play on emotions and are least bothered about development. So for they have ruled with mafia picture and support. Now people will not vote for them unless they come up with something else. It is quite possible they they come up with these kinds of divisive ideas. As per the press reports it already started in TDP. People like S ChandraSekhar Reddy of TDP who never opposed division per se is not talking for secession means there is something seriously wrong.

EJ will be happiest lot in all this.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 16 Feb 2014 17:51

TRS leader says Telangana folks are not Indians.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSUlGkTb ... pp=desktop

I expect this sentiment to spread. Thanks to Sonia and her cynical politics, another Khalistan is in the making, this time in the heart of India.

It is time for the BJP to act quickly to stomp out this idiocy. And putting these TRS idiots in power will be the surest way to enable the next Khalistan.

What is with the Nizam worship, even among the supposed Hindutva crowd? Were the Razakar rapists so pleasant to these cretins? Why were they begging India to intervene in 1948, if they wanted to be raped? Isn't what the Hindus are suffering even today in Hyderabad sufficient for them?

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 16 Feb 2014 18:13

nageshks wrote:TRS leader says Telangana folks are not Indians.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSUlGkTb ... pp=desktop

I expect this sentiment to spread. Thanks to Sonia and her cynical politics, another Khalistan is in the making, this time in the heart of India.

It is time for the BJP to act quickly to stomp out this idiocy. And putting these TRS idiots in power will be the surest way to enable the next Khalistan.

What is with the Nizam worship, even among the supposed Hindutva crowd? Were the Razakar rapists so pleasant to these cretins? Why were they begging India to intervene in 1948, if they wanted to be raped? Isn't what the Hindus are suffering even today in Hyderabad sufficient for them?

The Amrikhans and the Jihadi Khans will now piggyback on top of this "cause" and Telangana region is a lost cause.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 16 Feb 2014 18:48

nageshks wrote:TRS leader says Telangana folks are not Indians.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSUlGkTb ... pp=desktop

I expect this sentiment to spread. Thanks to Sonia and her cynical politics, another Khalistan is in the making, this time in the heart of India.

It is time for the BJP to act quickly to stomp out this idiocy. And putting these TRS idiots in power will be the surest way to enable the next Khalistan.

What is with the Nizam worship, even among the supposed Hindutva crowd? Were the Razakar rapists so pleasant to these cretins? Why were they begging India to intervene in 1948, if they wanted to be raped? Isn't what the Hindus are suffering even today in Hyderabad sufficient for them?

It is interesting how a few Islamics and Islam-pasand Hindu-sounding fellas join regional and jativadi parties and using that platform propagate their secessionist cr@p, and the other Hindus in the party seem incapable of breaking their jaw for such outpourings. Every party leadership should be responsible for the statements of their members. If a member speaks such anti-national talk, then he must be thrown out asap. Otherwise the leadership should be called anti-national.

Zero tolerance for anti-national talk from politicos.

And Hindutva groups should take the politico around town with face blackened, body stripped, with a necklace of slippers, sitting on a donkey, AT THE MINIMUM.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 16 Feb 2014 19:13

nageshks wrote:TRS leader says Telangana folks are not Indians.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSUlGkTb ... pp=desktop

I expect this sentiment to spread. Thanks to Sonia and her cynical politics, another Khalistan is in the making, this time in the heart of India.

It is time for the BJP to act quickly to stomp out this idiocy. And putting these TRS idiots in power will be the surest way to enable the next Khalistan.

What is with the Nizam worship, even among the supposed Hindutva crowd? Were the Razakar rapists so pleasant to these cretins? Why were they begging India to intervene in 1948, if they wanted to be raped? Isn't what the Hindus are suffering even today in Hyderabad sufficient for them?

The above news and the below news

Narayana Rao wrote:In the meanwhile the down slide on for Telugu people is nearing completion.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 492996.cms

http://gulfnews.com/news/world/india/an ... -1.1291404.

http://www.mumbaimirror.com/news/india/ ... 479784.cms

The a part of TDP now going to be separatist party??? CBN may have serious problem as he failed to address the opposition to the division. If state is divided with BJP support then it is quite possible TDP leaders may take up separatist demand during elections as they have no face to show to public with CBN as their leader. His development slogan may not be listened as this division went beyond normal administrative one. Suspension of MPs and befor that beating them up in parliament in an organised assault is going to be a serious issue.

The evil politicos will do many thing. I fear this slide may become a long term one and unless Indic forces seriously think on this immediately we may have a long term problem here. Residual Mafia leaders will have to leave mafia and may take up these kind of demands as survival requirement. We already have similar parties in TN in south and now in another state which will have serious financial problems as revenue from Hyd will stop, jobs are not there, all industries, educational institutions etc lost to Telangana. Further serious insults made during T agitations will also shown repeatedly on Telugu Tvs to create further sense of hurt and humiliation. Our politicos are experts in this kind of evil things.

EJ forces fishing in troubled waters and looters like Jagan using these kinds of demands for their ends is also a danger.

Best way would be BJP immediately ensure suspension of MPs revoked. Mafia will not do it. If BJP fails at least in this then they also will have no face to show in 25 MP seats in decades to come. At least allowing MPs to some dramas in Parliament will cool things a bit.

Nuzividu town is famous for mangos. I hope it will remain so. Not as a separatist slogan birth place.

The answer is also below:

yvijay wrote:^^^ I guess the bogey about telegana becoming Naxal raj became boring, people now shifted to Razakaristan. It's funny how you form your opinion about something by talking to anonymous people on twitter. By the way, FYI, Telangana pride is Kakatiya dynasty and not Nizam. They have no love lost for Nizam and Razakars. And they are found only in cities and that too mainly in Hyderabad. So please don't spread these lies. What ever it might it become, it won't be either Naxal raj or Razakaristan !

Some nut case in some place twists his tounge and we go heads and tongs here. This state does not have borders to any country other than bay of Bengal. If push comes to shove, clamp 10 day curfew and everything will be normal. There are no assault rifles or any large army regiments with significant Telugu population to get into some nonsense.

The state division is all about bania-gardi and fighting for the gravy train. Rest is all pulp fiction. The SA common folks are being made to believe that they are getting raw deal but that is not true. The deficits, division of resources will anyway happen and all this resources, water, economy are the smoke screen created to pull wool on the population to exploit the sentiments. This is same as the way T-folks are fooled with multi-crore jobs as soon as T is formed and for every ill (including daily problems of bowel movements) Andhra elite is the reason.

What NaMo said in the last two meetings is perfect summary. Minor fissions due to economic disparity arising out of geographical and historical factors are exploited to create poison. A lot of posters here are well educated but unfortunately are part of same poison.

This division is a very simple story and nothing more. The division is to break the existing hold of power on some so that it can be grabbed by "very similar" others. The existing power structure is menacingly threatening to the hot seat.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 16 Feb 2014 20:57

Any idea what's BJP's position?

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 16 Feb 2014 21:12

^^^AFAIK, the BJP has not taken a clear position. This is a state issue, let the people and state MLAs vote and decide what they want to do within the Indian constitution.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 16 Feb 2014 21:21

It is all in the hands of D4 and Sushma aunty then. But Jagan met CPM leaders and CPM also saying that the bill was not even presented in the house. We now has to see how far tomorrow and the next few days play out. NM left BJP with little option I think. With NM saying mafia doing Zehar ki Khethi in AP, can Sushma and her D4 gang support T bill in parliament?

Mafia does not have majority in either of the houses and its position in Rajya Sabha is very bad. Yet if it manages to get a a bill with is only intended to give it election seats and the main opposition leaders who are time and again insulted by it support it then we need to question the main opposition leader and party integrity or their political intelligence.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 16 Feb 2014 21:22

Mort Walker wrote:^^^AFAIK, the BJP has not taken a clear position. This is a state issue, let the people and state MLAs vote and decide what they want to do within the Indian constitution.

They already did that sir. they have rejected this proposal. The what remains as per your views?

Dasari · Post by **Dasari** » 16 Feb 2014 21:33

When the issue is so divisive and the numbers are like 220 on one side and 225 on the other side (just an example ) how do they conduct voice vote? In the case of state assembly there was a supporting document in the form of 158 written affidavits for the resolution to reject the bill.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 16 Feb 2014 22:02

Narayana Rao wrote:
Mort Walker wrote:^^^AFAIK, the BJP has not taken a clear position. This is a state issue, let the people and state MLAs vote and decide what they want to do within the Indian constitution.
They already did that sir. they have rejected this proposal. The what remains as per your views?

If the AP state assembly has rejected the T-bill (by formal vote in the assembly), then it should be a dead issue and the BJP and all other parties should be formally against it. Everything else is vote bank politics.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 16 Feb 2014 22:20

There is no everything else sir. Everything is about power in Delhi. Nothing else. Mafia queen planning to win AP seats by herself and her proxy gangs of TRS and Jagan criminal gang. That is all.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 16 Feb 2014 22:23

Around 95-99% of bills are voted by a voice vote. A counted vote is used only if a member specifically asks for a split. That a split wasnt asked itself in the normal course can be taken as proof that the vote will win. For example the last time parliament had a counted vote if I remember correctly was during the no confidence motion in 2008. Even the harshest of pro-telanganites will not debate the numbers backing that vote, around 170 pro, 120 against.

Regarding the telangana bill, there was half decent debate for 3-4 days, when the CM thought of rejecting clause by clause to delay it. However there was pressure given that the President had given 45 (+7 after extension) days and if the assembly didnt give its views, it would be regarded as no views. Thus a resolution of Andhra Pradesh assembly was passed saying that the assembly rejects the bill and asking the parliament to reject it.

In short, the Andhra Pradesh assembly rejected the telangana bill completely.

1) The small issue is that the division in assembly was not along party lines but along telangana/seemandhra lines. Most(if not all) of the mlas from telangana were for the bill and from seemandhra were against.
2) Parliament is not bound by that AP assembly rejection. In short, the rejection does not matter constitutionally (there might be some technical issues to be decided by Supreme court.)

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Feb 2014 22:26

It might be legal and all that but is it right?

Dasari · Post by **Dasari** » 16 Feb 2014 22:36

muppala wrote:....
The SA common folks are being made to believe that they are getting raw deal but that is not true.
...

Can you explain how this is not true? We all heard the position of TRS and KCR on govt employees situation. On revenue side, based on 2012-2013 figures, 49% of state revenues came from Hyderabad area. Without this all three regions will be instantly bankrupt. Nobody knows how much of this will be shifted to new state capital and how long it takes. But conservatively, even the proponents of division estimate that there will be 10%-15% immediate shortfall for seemandhra state (similar surplus on the other side). There is no financial guarantee of any sort and the new state is left to fend itself. On top of this it has to build new capital. A ridiculous sum of Rs 5000 crores is suggested, again with no guarantee. Polavaram or the pending projects on krishna will never be completed as T will never accept them.

The division is being done with sole objective of getting 17 seats from T. Lot of care was taken to appease every soul on T to make sure they get all 17. In the process to appease a section of the people that crave for punishing SA, they are careful not to give any financial assistance to SA. It is one thing to say that SA will catch up in next 10-20 years and live with whatever water it gets, but it is wrong to say that SA is not impacted negatively.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 16 Feb 2014 22:40

ramana wrote:It might be legal and all that but is it right?

When has right got to do with anything?

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 16 Feb 2014 22:49

Right or wrong argument is waste of time sir. Which one is politically beneficial is the question. Just like other games this game also will be played under mafia rules using provisions of the constitution just like Art 356, 370 etc earlier times. BJP so for is willing partner to mafia actions.

Let us see what happens next week.

Dasari · Post by **Dasari** » 16 Feb 2014 22:51

The question is very simple..if there are 220 members supporting division and 225 against division, how do you estimate this ? Since it is all estimate, can speaker use her discretion and say that division is passed? Remember the whole process appears to takes less than 30 seconds.The parliament one may take even less.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 16 Feb 2014 23:08

The members may seek a division. It all amounts to what BJP decides. If it says there must be a division then there will be and voting. Most bills are passed on voice vote as ruling party or group has the majority anyway.

In the meanwhile NM in HP meeting today:

http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/te ... 11936.html

Question is - Will BJP support division or not after this kind of speech by NM??? LKA and Sushma are in Lok Sabha and they have to take a call on this. At this twilight of his political innings LKA may pay a critical role of destroying mafia plans in AP. But is he willing to do that or go on to support mafia actions we have to see. Sushma of course love to see t state created and in the process NDA loses of winning opportunity is 25-30 Opps sorry.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 16 Feb 2014 23:27

All BJP needs to say is that it is committed to Telangana through an administrative bifurcation but is not supportive of division of the Telugu people through Zeher ki Kheti, which the current legislation intends to do.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 16 Feb 2014 23:27

Dasari Garu, bankruptcy has no meaning. In 1998 AP state was bankurpt but life went on. Even now there are several waste expenditures and huge useless government employment. Cut down all of it and attract investment everything will be fine. That is far better than these fights. The state has fundamentals to grow and that is all it matters.

what matters in this split is only whether the mafia survives or how much Modi march will be dented. How stupid BJP will cave in?

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 16 Feb 2014 23:50

Dasari wrote:Why would T guys come with this rhetoric? They were pampered in one form or other for the last 60 years

oh yes! what is this pampering? please do elaborate...

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 16 Feb 2014 23:52

ramana wrote:It might be legal and all that but is it right?

well, even in 1956 INC went against recommendation of SRC and granted Union of the the 2 states. how was it right back then?

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 17 Feb 2014 00:42

at 7:00 mins, please watch KKR. he is the "lion" of SA for many. "okka rupayee kuda iyya"... a "lion" indeed.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 17 Feb 2014 00:46

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Rony · Post by **Rony** » 17 Feb 2014 05:50

Telangana bill may be deferred, hints Union minister Jairam Ramesh

NEW DELHI: Uncertainty hangs over statehood for Telangana with Union minister Jairam Ramesh saying the government should not push through the contentious bill in the midst of a din or without discussion.

Rural development minister Ramesh told a news channel, "Such a far-reaching bill should be discussed and debated in Parliament and should not be pushed through in a cacophony or protests of a violent nature that are taking place in Parliament."

Coming a day ahead of the government's likely attempt to seek a discussion on the Telangana bill on Monday, the comment raises questions about the fate of the bill should the protests resurface in Lok Sabha. The lower House was rocked by violence when the bill was introduced on Thursday, leading to the suspension of 16 Andhra MPs cutting across party lines.

While a majority of the anti-T contingent is out of Lok Sabha now, textiles minister K S Rao has indicated that those remaining would continue the protests should the division of Andhra Pradesh be taken up.

As many as eight anti-Telangana MPs including ministers are still in the House after escaping suspension.

In case of continuing protests, the best option for Congress would be to push the bill through in the din. But Ramesh's statement, widely echoed by top Congress managers, seems to take that possibility out of the equation.

Congress is in an unenviable position on Telangana. Ending up on the wrong side of the Seemandhra sentiment after announcing its decision to divide AP and post-Jaganmohan Reddy's revolt, the ruling party needs the support of Telangana electorate to salvage some of its tally in the 42-seat southern state that has one-sidedly favoured Congress in the last two elections.

With 25 seats in Seemandhra and 17 in Telangana, Congress's statehood gambit was aimed at strengthening its position in the latter.

A failure to clinch statehood would weaken the Congress position in Telangana. In that situation, sources said a tie-up with Telangana Rashtra Samithi would be unlikely, which would handicap its efforts to woo the voters. Without Telangana, the Congress plans to go to polls by telling voters that it had shown its commitment to statehood by bringing the bill in Parliament but was undone by BJP's betrayal.

Congress believes it is in for a rout in Seemandhra and only a few MPs who have a personal base in the region are being seen as able contenders.