Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 18 Feb 2014 08:47

Vote for Narendra Modi is vote for Mukesh Ambani: Arvind Kejriwal

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... aign=cppst

member_28352 · Post by **member_28352** » 18 Feb 2014 09:01

Incredible. How does this guy even come up with such gems? His methodology seems to be to take two words, juxtapose them, and create a conspiracy theory. Explanations are an afterthought at best.
So here are some counter conspiracy theories.
a. A vote for AAP is a vote against Telangana/Seemaandhra (see which fits best)
b. A vote for AAP is a vote for US permission to cavity search/rape female Indian diplomats.
etc etc....

niran · Post by **niran** » 18 Feb 2014 09:03

That is the bitter truth, MPs in UP has been horrible
the list includes Tandon,RNS, VG,MMJ,Agra is a bit complicated, 29% Muslim voters
9% public services people, in agra all public services people stay in the same compound
including Judges, these people vote enbloc like members of same family the sitting MP has enraged the judge compoundies coz his family members were found to have been acting like manjanu salmon khan or srk
when complained the mp janab has been busy in dilli for few months, desperate the public did what the usual thrashed the manjanu and proper legal action followed.

member_28352 · Post by **member_28352** » 18 Feb 2014 09:15

More such simplistic conspiracy theories here
c. Vote for AAP is a vote against woman. Proof: no big women leaders.
d. Vote for AAP is a vote against SC/ST rights. Proof: no sops for SC/ST in AAP. in 49 days did nothing for SC/ST
e. Vote for AAP is anti minority vote. Proof: in 49 days did nothing for muslims.
Actually its easy being an AAPtard.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 18 Feb 2014 09:45

ShankarCag wrote:Incredible. How does this guy even come up with such gems?.

Its not hard, if some one decides to fund the random rants of one of our specially prominent members here, he will also have a full flegded party, in fact, Farzi is restricted to Ambani, our member will go all the way up to Rotshchild.

The shoot and scoot and spit is standard tactic.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 18 Feb 2014 10:21

As far as pro-business, capitalism and natural resources go. BJP has been pro-America, pro-business or pro-capitalism. However that is what I would like Modi or BJP to eschew. Instead bring back "sustainability" {a.k.a Purushartha model} as the core essence of "Indianness" and "way of life". For example: One does not indiscriminately cut down forests, but cut them with responsibility.

One of the Rajdharmas of our Rajahs were to maintain the chaturvarnashrma - essentially it is giving all the 4 engines of society room to flourish and prosper within their limits. The businessmen could not encroach onto the agriculturalists (crops and natural resources), the agriculturalists had their domain without intruding on the soldiers (security), the soldiers revered the scholars (elites, intellectuals), the workers had their own space (rights) that others could not violate. There was a cyclic redundancy built into the system in which the 4 engines were dependent on each other with a balance.

The Purushartha model where an individual (and the society) enjoys the fruits of passion, prosperity, economic advancement all within reasonable balance is a model now fast catching up even in the West - albeit with all post-modern sounding terms.

Modi does speak of balance and sustainability. I have seen signs of maturity and immense understanding in his words. I hope these are not just election rhetoric and that he would not capitulate to the big business/industrialists.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 18 Feb 2014 10:26

SwamyG wrote:Hari garu, Amit is truly an asset. Hopefully they can clone him in the south. They have to understand regional differences. What works in UP will not work in TN today. What works in AP will not work in KL. Etc.

Is there some time to have primaries at seat level? Potebtial candidates should get his supporters or referendum at his own cost. Show of confidence?

The BJP is crowdsourcing for all constituencies. You need to register on India272 to give your feedback.

http://www.india272.com/2014/02/16/indi ... ic-issues/

You can raise your local constituency issues, your opinions on candidates, manifesto that should reflect your local concerns, etc.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 18 Feb 2014 11:24

subhamoy.das wrote:2014 has thrown up 2 clear choices - work hard and lead a good life or have no work and lead a measurable life. Cong(i)'s 2014 budget had the biggest allocation for minority appeasement - 1750 cr. This is 5 times than of what allocated for back ward cast allocation and more than every single other fixed asset ( read infrastructre ) creation allocation. The news papers are screaming - "doles over development". Namo need to bring this up in public rally right away. How much congi can stoop for minority appeasement at the expense of majority?

We all know this 1750 crores cannot be enough to improve lives of its minorities even in one state. This fund is purely for funding the thekedaars. A decent mid-sized bus terminal costs 110 crores (ex. Vadodara but terminal), not counting the land acquisition, how on earth minorities lives will improve with this amount? It is all showbaji, and the sad part is many ARE falling for it.

Improving lives entails better access to water, health, security, education. Building compound walls against Waqf properties will only empower the Mullah not the aam junta, who are always on the tenterhooks of being denied burial ground, if they say/do something unpalatable.

Only when people see East-Germany/West-Germany type of disparity coupled with full support (mainly against Goonda-tatva controlling those ghettos) of the government, there can be improvement in lives of minorities. This island type of investment will only enrich the thekedaars.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 18 Feb 2014 11:27

NM addresses 2 rallies in KA today. Will Yeddy be on the stage with him or not? Its high time Yeddy is 'properly' rehabilitated into the BJP, IMO.

Javee · Post by **Javee** » 18 Feb 2014 12:16

Hari Seldon wrote:The challenge is supremely in places where the lotus has had no org to speak of (KL, TN, AP, WB, Odisha) or where the org has withered away (UP and KA to an extent).

Atleast in TN, you dont have to target all the 40 constituency in this election. They already know where they are strong and they just need to make sure they have solid booth agents and door to door canvassing of those wards.

Visit http://www.tamilnadu4modi.com It squarely aims to do the same. It gets the booth level details of the registering individual, so it will be easy to mobilize and concentrate on that specific area.

Any one here from TN, who wants to volunteer for BJP, go ahead and register in that site.

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 18 Feb 2014 12:42

gandharva wrote:Vote for Narendra Modi is vote for Mukesh Ambani: Arvind Kejriwal

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... aign=cppst

Farji is right in the sense that, a vote for 'anybody' is a vote for MA. Motabhai is a shrewd businessman and a capitalist to boot. I don't know any good match to him in that regard. He will fund/support ANY party that is likely to come into power. He would not hesitate to support even Oweisi if he is a likely PM candidate. During NDA regime Pramod Mahajan was his darling. He has been fully in bed with UPA1-2. That is the reason NM propped up Adani. But now that NM is the new Hulk in politics he is supporting BJP. My guess is that NM knows him too well and also knows how to use-and-throw him.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 18 Feb 2014 12:46

Hari Seldon wrote:NM addresses 2 rallies in KA today. Will Yeddy be on the stage with him or not? Its high time Yeddy is 'properly' rehabilitated into the BJP, IMO.

Yeddy on stage, robust crowd response. Is Davangere his area of influence?

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 18 Feb 2014 12:53

kapilrdave wrote:Farji is right in the sense that, a vote for 'anybody' is a vote for MA.

A vote for Narendra Modi is a vote for India. Simple.

Indirectly though - a vote for Modi, is also a vote for every businessman / farmer / professional / unemployed youth who stands to benefit when India progresses.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 18 Feb 2014 12:56

prahaar wrote:
Hari Seldon wrote:NM addresses 2 rallies in KA today. Will Yeddy be on the stage with him or not? Its high time Yeddy is 'properly' rehabilitated into the BJP, IMO.
Yeddy on stage, robust crowd response. Is Davangere his area of influence?

Yes, but BJP unlikely to win Davanagere this time. BCs have deserted BJP for Siddaramaiah.

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 18 Feb 2014 13:01

disha wrote:^ Hmm - Rona & Dhona? What is 2G/3G/4G spectrum auction? Auctioning of "natural resources" only.

What is "Coal block allocation"? Auctioning of mining sites to mine coal only!

What is Gas or oil block allocation? Auctioning of oil and gas block for "mining" - incl. deep sea drilling only.

Since all of the above is "no value for its natural resources" - can I suggest a country to live? - Iceland.

Your sarcarsm is uncalled for. The things you mentioned is precisely why INC is desh drohi. I am not talking about 2g/3g but selling off "natural" resources should always be done carefully and in a limited manner. In KA, the reddy bros have removed entire mountains. This is why the US of uncle A keeps its drilling of oil in places like alaska to a minimum but is the first to invade a country to take oil. Destroying ones own forests and wildlife (among other things) in the name of "development" is like selling your kidney and saying you are rich. Anyway, this debate is OT here.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 18 Feb 2014 13:05

Hari Seldon wrote:NM addresses 2 rallies in KA today. Will Yeddy be on the stage with him or not? Its high time Yeddy is 'properly' rehabilitated into the BJP, IMO.

B.S. Yeddyurappa ‏@BSYBJP 20h
Looking forward to share dais 2moro with Modiji at Davanagere. My first public meeting with NAMO after BJP-KJP merger! #NaMoinKar

subhamoy.das · Post by **subhamoy.das** » 18 Feb 2014 13:59

A vote for Modi is a Vote against HUNGER
A vote for Modi is a Vote against CORRUPTION
A vote for Modi is a Vote against RIOTs
A vote for Modi is a Vote against POWER CUTs
A vote for Modi is a Vote against THIRST
A vote for Modi is a Vote against JEHADIS and CHINESE and PAKI sponsors of terrorism
A vote for Modi is a Vote against PAKI and CHINSE Army
A vote for Modi is ..... well we can go on and on

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 18 Feb 2014 14:31

X-post from AAP thread:
I think I agree with Sridhar on this issue. NaMo has not raised this issue except as part of wider inflation topic. There are also other points which seem to be worrying:

Hari Seldon wrote:This is so what I have wanted to hear.... shall await confirmation from more overt and official sources...

BJP PLAN TO PUSH INDIA INTO BIG LEAGUE (Pioneer)

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The party will recommend that savings be encouraged at the national level and income below Rs 1 lakh per month (that is Rs 12 lakh per annum) be made “tax-free.” All savings would be “tax-deductible” and losses of tax would be offset by “auctioning of natural resources”, sources told The Pioneer. The recommendations are part of the BJP’s Vision 2020 that seeks to completely dismantle the existing model of planning and replace it with ‘aggressive market economy’, particularly at the State levels.
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Shonu wrote: eh? Are they saying, each time they are in deficit they will chop down forests, destroy mountains and sell off the rivers? If that's what they mean, I am not for this nonsense. India seems to be one of those countries that has no value for its natural resources.

disha wrote:^ Hmm - Rona & Dhona? What is 2G/3G/4G spectrum auction? Auctioning of "natural resources" only.

What is "Coal block allocation"? Auctioning of mining sites to mine coal only!

What is Gas or oil block allocation? Auctioning of oil and gas block for "mining" - incl. deep sea drilling only.

Since all of the above is "no value for its natural resources" - can I suggest a country to live? - Iceland.

Link

'Auctioning off natural resources' is not just an environmental issue, its equivalent to neo-colonialism. If phoreners or corporations control the natural resources needed by the people to live a proper life, then they control their lives. Its equivalent to slavery/colonialism. Already, one can see the increase in petrol prices and consequent increase in inflation as soon as the corporations were allowed to set the prices according to their wish.

These are not very encouraging signs. While, its alright to humour the MNCs and use them to stimulate the growth and jobs, sarkaar must not sell away the natural resources to MNCs and enslave the populations.

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Arjun saar,
I haven't seen that video about Chavez, but I can get the gist from your post. But, one does not want to swing to the other extreme and let the MNCs own all the natural resources and let the politicians become the pawns of the MNCs. Neither extreme is good. As SwamyG pointed out, there needs to be healthy balance between various organs of a society.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 18 Feb 2014 14:42

How does auctioning as a method of allocation of resources == selling the country to MNCs.

Lets get a grip please. What is merely being said is that Govt can raise higher revenue through auctions and market-place as opposed to "allocations".

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 18 Feb 2014 14:57

Agree with Sanku.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 18 Feb 2014 15:40

Congis have been printing and sending cancellation letters for coal blocks.

india will soon become a pastoral wonderland where people will hunt in the woods with bows and arrows.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 18 Feb 2014 16:27

Sushma already reduced some 25plus MP seats to NM. No one is going to vote for BJP. Most of the people are going for 3rd front in the next elections. Jagan was even ready to support BJP and if could have been done there would have been some 30plus seats.

Let us see how the final moves of the game is played out.

I do hope secessionist moves are not going to take place.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 18 Feb 2014 17:27

member_28397 · Post by **member_28397** » 18 Feb 2014 17:33

I dont see how this will affect NaMo tally. BJP is not present in AP at all may be a seat or two they could have got.

Any Seema Andhra gainers will join the Party which have the biggest numbers on the pretex that more packages can be brought for SA. And may be not opposing Telengana would have left some scope for BJP/NDA in long term.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 18 Feb 2014 17:39

Kiran Kumar Reddy expected that all the leaders from Seema-Andhra will support him in the launch of a new party. However the cozying up by Lagapati Rajgopal, Rayapati Sambasiva Rao and Sabbam Hari to the BJP has become a game changer. All the three MPs who were suspended from the Parliament are in constant touch with Venkaiah Naidu and Rajnath Singh since the past two days. They feel that it would be better to go along with the BJP and capitalize on the Narendra Modi wave and target the 40 per cent urban votes in Seema-Andhra. They also feel that a tie up between the TDP and the BJP will also help them in the long run.

http://vickynanjappa.com/2014/02/18/lag ... -doubtful/

member_28257 · Post by **member_28257** » 18 Feb 2014 17:53

Narayana Rao wrote:Sushma already reduced some 25plus MP seats to NM. No one is going to vote for BJP. Most of the people are going for 3rd front in the next elections. Jagan was even ready to support BJP and if could have been done there would have been some 30plus seats.

Let us see how the final moves of the game is played out.

I do hope secessionist moves are not going to take place.

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What a political sucide

25 seats in seemandhara gone for a decade at least, killed any chances of alliances with either CBN n Jagan, no way TRS gng to bring any new seats from T-State as till morning D4 was opposing creation without a package to S-State so no love gained with T-State junta. Just before Panja decided to blackout why come openly in public n say that we will support the bill.

One shd ask why SS after being a seasoned politician is doing such hara Kiri ??? IMO SS is fully compromised now n her patron Loh purush is using her to create anti BJP sentiments to limit NaMo in fence sitting kinda states so that lotus stay just under 200 n then NDA under pressure makes NaMo go sideways n get Loh Purush to be the PM choice. Point to be noted no where NDA as an alliance has jointly released any press statement to call NaMo as PM candidate. It would be easier to do that later with this stand of partners. May be NK may also come back in NDA as supporting from outside once NaMo is sidelined.
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gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 18 Feb 2014 17:59

D4 has done some serious damage to Modi's PM dream.

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 18 Feb 2014 18:24

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 18 Feb 2014 18:26

BJP's chances in Seemandhra might have taken a hit, but to think that NDA's overall chances will take a hit is naive. If TRS doesn't merge with the congress, BJP can tie up with whatever combination(excluding the congress) wins the most LS seats in either states.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 18 Feb 2014 18:31

NM clearly, despite being the RSS nominee, has nowhere near as much control over his party's stand on crucial issues as I was thinking he did.

The NDA and not just the BJP has lost seats net-net in not opposing the congress scheme for AP. Beggars belief they let it pass just like that. If 2014 is lost, NM will likely have lost his first and biggest and perhaps only chance to become head of govt.

Somehow, maybe its the time but am feeling all down now. Very saddened to see lotus give away 17 T-seats to INC just like that and lose all hope in the other 25, just like that.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 18 Feb 2014 18:35

BJP had 2% vote share in SA. Why vote INC and then ask for BJP help? And then when BJP tries to help w/o letting T down blame everything on NM and BJP as if there are no other players in this. Vote Jagan and say hello to "hallelujah".

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 18 Feb 2014 18:43

Supratik wrote:BJP had 2% vote share in SA. Why vote INC and then ask for BJP help? And then when BJP tries to help w/o letting T down blame everything on NM and BJP as if there are no other players in this. Vote Jagan and say hello to "hallelujah".

Don't even bother. These andhrites are spoiled. They vote for all these Ej/INC jokers and then when things get out of control they ask for help. Then when things don't go there way, BLAME MODI. Kashmiri type mentality.

SanjayC · Post by **SanjayC** » 18 Feb 2014 18:45

Don't even bother. These andhrites are spoiled. They vote for all these Ej/INC jokers and then when things get out of control they ask for help. Then when things don't go there way, BLAME MODI. Kashmiri type mentality.

Same with Hindus overall -- kept supporting Gandhi and Nehru and when their daughters started getting raped by Muslims in Partition riots, started screaming to Savarkar and RSS for help, despite the latter pleading to Hindus again and again to vote for them so that they can bargain well with Jinnah and protect their interests by purging India of all Muslims.

I would say just desserts to Andhra people for fanatically voting Cong all these years and rejecting BJP and RSS. You can't keep choosing anti-Hindu forces as your leaders in good times and run to Hindu nationalists in bad times to save your arse. Bongs and Tamils are going the same path.

With Adhraites, there is also the problem of emotional immaturity -- when a film industry hero dies, I don't know how many commit suicide.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 18 Feb 2014 18:47

I don't think it is right to blame regionalism. We all have that north east west south. However, I see a blame BJP series of posts. If BJP had opposed it then people from T will blame it. It is a no-win situation.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 18 Feb 2014 18:48

I am amazed that Modi or his inner circle did not see this coming or may be they did but could not prevent this. Eitherways, it reflects badly on the man & RSS leadership. Wonder what games are underway.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 18 Feb 2014 18:52

Chandragupta wrote:I am amazed that Modi or his inner circle did not see this coming or may be they did but could not prevent this. Eitherways, it reflects badly on the man & RSS leadership. Wonder what games are underway.

Do you honestly believe that Modi is the supreme fuehrer of the party? There are factions within every party. There are obviously elements within BJP who HATE this guy. They achieved ONE battle win. Congress will win a few more and Modi will learn and fight back. This is chess not checkers.

member_28352 · Post by **member_28352** » 18 Feb 2014 18:53

It is always the Yindoo's fault. If things go right then BJP is communal force, so vote for INC/AAP etc. If things go bad then why didn't BJP do enough. Same logic from AAPtards on gas pricing.

member_28257 · Post by **member_28257** » 18 Feb 2014 19:12

Golu wrote:
Narayana Rao wrote:Sushma already reduced some 25plus MP seats to NM. No one is going to vote for BJP. Most of the people are going for 3rd front in the next elections. Jagan was even ready to support BJP and if could have been done there would have been some 30plus seats.

Let us see how the final moves of the game is played out.

I do hope secessionist moves are not going to take place.
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What a political sucide 25 seats in seemandhara gone for a decade at least, killed any chances of alliances with either CBN n Jagan, no way TRS gng to bring any new seats from T-State as till morning D4 was opposing creation without a package to S-State so no love gained with T-State junta. Just before Panja decided to blackout why come openly in public n say that we will support the bill.

One shd ask why SS after being a seasoned politician is doing such hara Kiri ??? IMO SS is fully compromised now n her patron Loh purush is using her to create anti BJP sentiments to limit NaMo in fence sitting kinda states so that lotus stay just under 200 n then NDA under pressure makes NaMo go sideways n get Loh Purush to be the PM choice. Point to be noted no where NDA as an alliance has jointly released any press statement to call NaMo as PM candidate. It would be easier to do that later with this stand of partners. May be NK may also come back in NDA as supporting from outside once NaMo is sidelined.
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RMji agree abt ur point but why cutting the entire point abt NE suggestion ? I think that is well within the gambit of all other suggestions.

Anyways repeating again ......Send SS to NE in the name of strengthening organizational structure for Lotus n keep her away from active media presence to limit her negative impact

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 18 Feb 2014 19:18

Modi will not be calling full shots as of now and not till he is the PM. Modi many speeches said he did not like the way AP was being divided. I doubt he called the shots on this decision. But he's too much a team man to let even his detractors within the party down. HE doesn't even do that for PC, MMS when he goes abroad. My respect for the man only keeps increasing.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 18 Feb 2014 19:21

So now the Andhrites in all their wisdom will be voting for EJ again b/c MODI let them down. Bunch of jokers.