Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

member_28397 · Post by **member_28397** » 18 Feb 2014 22:02

Rahul Mehta wrote:
SwamyG wrote:One of the Rajdharmas of our Rajahs were to maintain the chaturvarnashrma - essentially it is giving all the 4 engines of society room to flourish and prosper within their limits.
Someone MUST publicly ask NaMo if he supports Varna Vyavastha. And the question is relevant because he was a pracharak in RSS and many RSS-apex people ave made statements in favor of Varna Vyavastha. So somone must publicly ask NaMo if he supports Varna Vyavastha. If he says "NO, I oppose Varna Vysvastha", then good, more dalit votes will go to and more glory to him. And if he says "YES, I support VV" OR gives gol gol answers, then he will lose dalit votes, and so be it.

But its time we finish this VV for good. And this may-2014 seems to be good oppurtunity to finish VV.

(I am anti-VV)

lol do you think even if some crazy journo asks this to NaMo the answer will be plain Yes/No?

look at this and see how deep this man's knowledge is on Dharma shashtra he will turn this question in to a chakravahu for the liberal viewers of that media house and they will end up praising NaMo :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc0xW-_w ... Ph2CUABhdQ

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disha · Post by **disha** » 18 Feb 2014 22:24

RoyG wrote:RajeshA, I'm not sure that your arguments however logical it may be will work at the present time. Andhrites are in presently suffering from shock and despair. If Modi is to blame, then he is to blame. Let them cool down.

Who is Modi? CM of AP? Leader of Opposition? President of the Congress (Ruling party)? President of India? Prime minister of India?

Modi is just this:

1. CM of Gujarat
2. Prime minister candidate of BJP.

So isnt' it brainless for the seema-andhra folks going around saying #blow2modi #blow2bjp - particularly when they have ZERO (read again ZERO) representation in AP.

It is like blaming the owner of a well-reconstructed house at the end of the street for your poodle biting your own a$$ in your fight with your SHQ!

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 18 Feb 2014 22:32

bhargava wrote: D4 or not...hard to understand, how in the current state of affairs, this kind of "vibe" exists..

Because at that level they all have to co-exist, and have chai biskoot sessions. They cannot be angry and at logger heads 24/7/365. Nothing will be achieved. A Congress or Communist supporter would say Shinde or Yechuri are sold-out and firmly in the BJP camp, no?

They have to maintain a degree of professionalism/friendship even if they are in the opposing parties.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Feb 2014 22:43

But one has to admit Sushma Swaraj in this very thread has been seen to have excess bonhomie. More than required. Sonaji has a curt smile while Ss giggles like a school girl who was given a lollipop. She has exaceberated the BJP stance by her behavior. If 62 amandements were passed she should have first claimed credit for them. Instead she whimpers like a cheated sold out politician. She has done more damage to the BJP image than warranted.

From First Post "Lok Sabha Unplugged"....

We had decried the decision by the government to table the bill amidst bedlam in the house where we noted :

Apparently, the UPA believes that its electoral mandate from 2009 permits it to introduce and pass a law in Parliament regardless of whether the bill is properly debated, vetted, amended to perfection and whether it at the very least has the consensus of its own cabinet members.

If that day was about using subterfuge for tabling the legislation, today has been about ensuring that people of the nation wouldn't know how laws are passed in the country, and fooling them into believing there is a consensus on a legislation that is still very strongly contested.

If the Congress does believe it has the support to pass the bill it should have the gumption to do it despite the protest and as per procedure. Finally the bill was passed with a voice vote amidst the din of protesting MPs. All 62 amendments were passed with no division of votes or voting on any of them except a voice vote.

This is perhaps the only legislation that has been passed in this manner since Lok Sabha television began broadcasting, and if meekly accepted, it only sets a terrible precedent that can be emulated by future governments with disastrous consequences for lawmaking.

And she was displaying excess bonhomie with such Gunday!!!

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 18 Feb 2014 22:48

SwamyG wrote:Because at that level they all have to co-exist, and have chai biskoot sessions. They cannot be angry and at logger heads 24/7/365. Nothing will be achieved. A Congress or Communist supporter would say Shinde or Yechuri are sold-out and firmly in the BJP camp, no?

They have to maintain a degree of professionalism/friendship even if they are in the opposing parties.

that is fine and dandy, if the opposition actually achieves their objectives. if they are merely nodding along on what the administration does, it does call into question what the hell is the bonhomie for except some self-serving back slapping

disha · Post by **disha** » 18 Feb 2014 22:49

In simple words: SS has been gamed by Sonia and compromised.

And the sad thing is that SS has allowed herself to be gamed by her own egos only. She stands up in stark contrast like Vasundhara Raje who clearly credited the right persons for her victory.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Feb 2014 22:54

Disha, From a distance Congress is on the decline and BJP on the rise. Yet SS by her histronics has shown that Congress is still the master. That is what irks.

No need to legitimize the molestation of democratic process in Lok Sabha. Claiming unawareness that the speaker ordered the video cut is lame. By now every insititution of the govt has been suborned by the Congress. And to give this process legitimacy by supporting the divsion in this manner is imbecile.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 18 Feb 2014 22:58

I don't think Modi will do anything to D-gang before elections.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 18 Feb 2014 22:59

It will serve as useful foil to blame SS later for general public consumption. But I was hoping that BRF would be the hansa.

Anyway, no harm done. Looking at the way MIM is squirming, I dont really buy any of the Nizam/Islam dominance issue. In fact the resulting polarization would help BJP in mid-long term + the creeping conversion is Seemandhra is now restricted to Seemandhra, good luck to YSRC and their goons to try and spread it to T region.

It is imperative that Seemandhra now starts facing up to the decisions it has taken in the past, and figures what its future karma holds.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 18 Feb 2014 23:00

Supratik wrote:I don't think Modi will do anything to D-gang before elections.

Modi is not going to do anything to anyone in BJP any time at all. In fact he will pull in proper villains from Congress++ into BJP and use them.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 18 Feb 2014 23:08

Sanku wrote:It will serve as useful foil to blame SS later for general public consumption. But I was hoping that BRF would be the hansa.

Anyway, no harm done. Looking at the way MIM is squirming, I dont really buy any of the Nizam/Islam dominance issue. In fact the resulting polarization would help BJP in mid-long term + the creeping conversion is Seemandhra is now restricted to Seemandhra, good luck to YSRC and their goons to try and spread it to T region.

It is imperative that Seemandhra now starts facing up to the decisions it has taken in the past, and figures what its future karma holds.

MIM is not an issue and will not be an issue. BJP exists only to extent MIM exists.

Step out of a few districts where MIM-BJP matters, beyond that it is INC and TDP where native Telananites starts. What BJP offers is already offset by INC so expansion is limited. TDP-Commies will be challenge to INC, as it is what INC needs.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Feb 2014 23:09

Sanku, Congress strong point was Reddy votes in Rayalseema and Telangana per N. Sanjiva Reddy the first CM. Now its split. All the others were additions to this core vote. YSR was able to get the Reddy support and hence becmae the CM. Jagan continues in same vein.
Read nagsheks compilation of the stats on the Christianity spread.
Put on your non AP hat and let us understand why Congress wanted to separate the two parts. It doesnt make sense and may be you can help understand it.

So far we have been told it is Telangana led by TRS that wants the separation. All media reports are suggest that. What if it is the Congress leadership at the center that wants SeemaAndhra to be separated? PC's sudden announcement of separation, when KCR went on a fast to ask for implementation of some GO is intriguing? Besides KCR was in hospital with juice and biryani.
So hardly in danger of dying except for over indulgence of liquor.

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 18 Feb 2014 23:15

I doubt if NaMo was kept out of the loop on AP issue. Though the implementation in this farcical method may not be his doing.
People have been egging NaMo to side with or sympathise with local/caste groups in his speeches but NaMo has been consistent in raising only what he thinks as national and unifying issues.
I can understand it is an emotive issue for AP folks today. Heck, I am from TN, I can understand how these things work. Who knows if NaMo wants to make Hindi mandatory I am sure there will be a outcry from TN and loss of support.
So it is better to view NaMo as an agent of change in economy, development and all round growth for India. But am sure for a lot of people, rightly from their perspective, that these things come second to what their emotional needs are. There are people who think NaMo is backing out on temples building, there are people who think NaMo is responsible for riots, who think NaMo will destroy liberalism, the queue is long and a few more might get added today. And they are all right from their own standpoint.
It is better to view NaMo from India's development perspective than expect something different and get disappointed.
EDIT: Maybe analysing politics using Indicness as a central theme is pointless? Because that is the first thing that goes out of the window.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 18 Feb 2014 23:24

ramana garu; I believe this is indeed a case of looking for intelligence as a motive where stupidity suffices -- this might be hard for people of AP, but the fact is, this was done because of 2014, short sightedly, It was not done due to long term plan or a great game or anything like that.

Congress is merely using simplest of scorched earth tactics in its sheer panic, and the reason they chose AP is because, AP provided support to them for 10 years. The scorched earth tactics are never carried out in enemy areas, its always a retreating power that does it in its homeland as a last ditch effort.

AP is homeland of congress today, warts and all, that is the reality, and a dying congress is setting fire to its pastures to make sure the enemy does not camp. As simple as that.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 18 Feb 2014 23:27

ShyamSP wrote:
Sanku wrote:It will serve as useful foil to blame SS later for general public consumption. But I was hoping that BRF would be the hansa.

Anyway, no harm done. Looking at the way MIM is squirming, I dont really buy any of the Nizam/Islam dominance issue. In fact the resulting polarization would help BJP in mid-long term + the creeping conversion is Seemandhra is now restricted to Seemandhra, good luck to YSRC and their goons to try and spread it to T region.

It is imperative that Seemandhra now starts facing up to the decisions it has taken in the past, and figures what its future karma holds.
MIM is not an issue and will not be an issue. BJP exists only to extent MIM exists.

Step out of a few districts where MIM-BJP matters, beyond that it is INC and TDP where native Telananites starts. What BJP offers is already offset by INC so expansion is limited. TDP-Commies will be challenge to INC, as it is what INC needs.

+1. Real test for the BJP is the Reddy votebank outside the urban areas. Let us see if Kishan Reddy can negotiate the Reddy politics of Nalagonda. Also, those thinking that the BJP can take the TDP vote bank are, I am afraid, going to be sorely disappointed. BJP with its Reddy leadership is going to find it hard to take the BC votes of the TDP. All in all, TDP is not going to disappear from Telangana, as many BJP afficionados are hoping. Khammam, Warangal and Adilabad are going to have a strong TDP presence, and even in Nalagonda, their Communist allies will be strong. BJP strength will, at best, be limited to Mahabubnagar, and Nizamabad. BJP has shot itself in the foot.

Anyway, my last post on this subject. My interest in this election is done. I had hoped for better from the BJP, but it seems that away from the cameras, and working in the dark, is the BJP's modus operandi as well. And the way the BJP raised SeemaAndhra expectations and then let them down is nothing short of emotional manipulation and criminal.

Good luck to NaMo.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Feb 2014 23:35

BTw, Sushma Swaraj claims of unawareness of the Lok Sabha TV cutoff is plain falsehood.

First post reports:

LINK

It justifies the Congress decision in an Orwellian manner but has this nugget on SS role.

The decision to suspend the telecast was not exactly a blow for transparency. But it isn't the end of democracy, either. This isn't exactly the equivalent of Indira Gandhi asking President Fakhruddin Ali Ahmed to declare Emergency. The House Speaker's decision—taken with the assent of Opposition leader Sushma Swaraj—was, at worst, bad politics. A stupid decision that has inflamed an already incendiary situation, and ensured there will be no closure despite the passing of the bill. And made stupider by Lok Sabha TV head to now pretend it was just a technical glitch.

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And The Hindu has the text of her speech which shows her claiming credit and reminding Telegana peopoe to not forget her role. She calls herself "Chinna Amma" ie "younger mother"!

I am sure the Reddy brothers rue the day she walked into their lives and stole their money and had them sent to jail.

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nageshks, Also TDP has its own Reddy supporters in Telangana. Its not like its all BCs.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 18 Feb 2014 23:37

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Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 18 Feb 2014 23:39

nageshks wrote:
"Sanku">>It will serve as useful foil to blame SS later for general public consumption. But I was hoping that BRF would be the hansa.

MIM is not an issue and will not be an issue. BJP exists only to extent MIM exists.

Step out of a few districts where MIM-BJP matters, beyond that it is INC and TDP where native Telananites starts. What BJP offers is already offset by INC so expansion is limited. TDP-Commies will be challenge to INC, as it is what INC needs.
+1. Real test for the BJP is the Reddy votebank outside the urban areas.

So TDP will not die, goody. Where is the expectation that it will die ? Let it live, let it tie up with BJP, if the fool CBN wants to throw a hissy fit and die completely, he is welcome to, in 5 years the rest of TDP will come to BJP like AGP is dissolving in Assam.

Lets face it -- the fact of the matter is that BJP has a much stronger organization in Telengana than Seemandhra. Also there is sufficient religious polarization. It is not a given, but there is a fighting chance.

Compared to that, with the complete sway of YSRC + congress in seemandhra there is no remote chance in short-medium term.

Apart from emotional reasons, I see no issue from a BJP or a national perspective, yes, its hard for people in Seemandhra, but they are paying for their choices, it is not meaningful to blame anyone else.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 18 Feb 2014 23:43

sudarshan · Post by **sudarshan** » 18 Feb 2014 23:45

Hopefully the stages of grief will play out in people's minds in a couple of weeks. For India, there's no alternative to Modi at the moment. Wonder why TINA never works for the good guys?

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 18 Feb 2014 23:54

Sanku wrote:So TDP will not die, goody. Where is the expectation that it will die ? Let it live, let it tie up with BJP, if the fool CBN wants to throw a hissy fit and die completely, he is welcome to, in 5 years the rest of TDP will come to BJP like AGP is dissolving in Assam.

Lets face it -- the fact of the matter is that BJP has a much stronger organization in Telengana than Seemandhra. Also there is sufficient religious polarization. It is not a given, but there is a fighting chance.

Compared to that, with the complete sway of YSRC + congress in seemandhra there is no remote chance in short-medium term.

Apart from emotional reasons, I see no issue from a BJP or a national perspective, yes, its hard for people in Seemandhra, but they are paying for their choices, it is not meaningful to blame anyone else.

T is not uniform unlike you think. MIM and BJP areas are limited. Beyond that where Hyderabad doesn't matter, BJP doesn't matter. Issue is with BJP or TDP both weaken, INC will rule in T. TDP will have to go with communists to win in eastern districts.

I already mentioned in the other thread what BJP success is. It is not for self gain but for limiting Congress.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 18 Feb 2014 23:59

ShyamSP wrote:
T is not uniform unlike you think. MIM and BJP areas are limited. Beyond that where Hyderabad doesn't matter, BJP doesn't matter. Issue is with BJP or TDP both weaken, INC will rule in T. TDP will have to go with communists to win in eastern districts.

I already mentioned in the other thread what BJP success is. It is not for self gain but for limiting Congress.

Even if was to accept that you are right, for the moment, it still means that BJP has a better chance in T than in Seemandhra, you are saying it does not have a great chance. Ok, fine. As if any alternate move would give it a better chance that it has thrown away.

This is a fairly good out come for BJP, as things will crystallize to as the dust settles.

The need of the hour now is to to attack SA with the claim that they got something from a burning house for SA, while congress was burning it.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 19 Feb 2014 00:03

Sanku wrote:ramana garu; I believe this is indeed a case of looking for intelligence as a motive where stupidity suffices -- this might be hard for people of AP, but the fact is, this was done because of 2014, short sightedly, It was not done due to long term plan or a great game or anything like that.

Congress is merely using simplest of scorched earth tactics in its sheer panic, and the reason they chose AP is because, AP provided support to them for 10 years. The scorched earth tactics are never carried out in enemy areas, its always a retreating power that does it in its homeland as a last ditch effort.

AP is homeland of congress today, warts and all, that is the reality, and a dying congress is setting fire to its pastures to make sure the enemy does not camp. As simple as that.

I agree with you but lets take this one step further. Kongis was established by the brits to carry out their agenda. So, in the same mould, kongis maybe trying to finish the games started by the brits. Brits partitioned as a parting shot. If they had some more time, they would have ensured separate kingdoms along with separate south with T and Mysore being independent. Patel spoiled the plans despite the oppositon of chacha. Maybe the kongis knowingly or unknowingly taking south to pre-47 arrangement as a parting shot.

There are reports that k-sea-r met amirkhan amby in past. And his party office seems to resemble white house. So, this plan may not be of the kongis. There are reports that antonio pushed for it while other kongis were sceptical. Kongis could have easily won more seats in united AP, if they had invested this much time and effort on some other productive issue. It seems to me that this move is not about saving kongis who are doomed, but rather to sow seeds of unstability.

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Lotus has no cadre in T. The recent addirion in cadre or leaders are not sustainable in T. Lotus is limited to hyd and that is due to dilution of hindhuthva which is its unique selling point.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 19 Feb 2014 00:47

Telengana bill cleared

Apart from its consistent advocacy for Telangana, the BJP supported the bill because it, increasingly confident of its prospects in the coming elections, did not want to inherit the "mess" created by Congress.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Feb 2014 01:07

Yet looks like SS has managed to divert ire towards Modi and BJP by her needless tactics of kissing up to Congress.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 19 Feb 2014 01:20

Sanku ji excellent post. But sushma is a strange politician. Remarkable amount of stupidity on display. She even made a statement that LS blackout was logistical misstep when everybody thinks it was a dictate. She is going extra mile to protect Congress which doesn't make sense.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 19 Feb 2014 02:01

One thing I haven't understood is why many are disenchanted with NaMo due to the Telangana Bill.

When Food Security Bill was passed, Narendra Modi made his displeasure more than clear. He wrote to the PM with a list of questions and comments. He called it anti-federalism. Did anything happen? D4 went ahead giving their support to the Bill.

During the passage of Land Acquisition Act, again Narendra Modi gave examples of how they help raise the land price in favor of farmers when some industry wants to buy land from them. Were his ideas incorporated in it? It was considered to be against the interests of industry.

So how can people this time expect any different outcome in Parliament. LK Advani, Sushma Swaraj and Arun Jaitley are responsible for BJP's stand in Parliament. They decide.

Now people are expecting Narendra Modi to come out strongly against his party leaders on Telangana. He has never undermined the authority of anybody in BJP before, especially if he or she is an office bearer. That is just not how he ticks. He takes full responsibility for his own portfolio. There the buck stops with him. Just like he doesn't undermine anybody else's authority in BJP, he would expect nobody else to undermine his authority when he is in office. NaMo doesn't believe in mutiny. He would let his opinion be known to his party leaders. He may in general speak out against some injustice or wrong he sees in Indian polity. But he does not go around tearing down other BJP leaders, not for principle, not for power and not for politics.

That is why NaMo always asks for full authority whenever he takes up a job, like it was in the case of CM of Gujarat. Now he is asking for full authority as PM, not Deputy PM, not Home Minister. No. He wants to be PM and wield power in the way he deems fit.

NaMo worked hard to get CBN on board NDA. He made a direct appeal to CBN in Hyderabad. He wanted an alliance with CBN and TDP.

But D4 had other plans. NaMo would most probably not complain. He uses the pack of cards that are dealt to him and he makes the most of it.

So if one wants to hold NaMo accountable, do it for only those things which fit under his portfolio. Telangana issue was not his doing!

Sridhar · Post by **Sridhar** » 19 Feb 2014 02:40

ramana wrote: fanne, By closing the Lok Sabha the speaker has ensured there is no accountability and peolpe can claim what they ant without fear of being challenged later. If it was D4 only then what were their interests in supporting the split.

Do we really know if the vote tally was for the division?
Media claiming BJP's support enabled it to pass.

While there was no live telecast, this was not a closed session. The press was in the galleries.

BTW, this is not the first time a Government has chosen to block live telecast of proceedings related to a contentious issue.

The prior such incident was in 2002, when a censure motion was being discussed about the Gujarat government after the riots.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/afte ... 19742.html

Major parliamentary debates are usually covered live by Doordarshan, but with the Government ordering the switching off of the cameras, viewers across the country were deprived of the chance to see their elected representatives indulge in doublespeak.

In today's case of course, in addition to a shutting down of cameras, there is what seems like an attempt at a cover up.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 19 Feb 2014 02:42

Good post Rajesh. Modi is still in the process of consolidating. When real development takes place, many of these issues and state boundaries are going to be irrelevant. I mentioned in a blog post of mine how irrelevant many issues people were glued to in the 80's have become with growth..Modi realizes that. Though they may have an immediate impact and give some stature, it is temporal. There are larger issues at stake, and Modi is educating, exhorting these. In that way he is making D4 irrelevant. Already cancellation of many bills that UPA like Land acquisition is imminent with Modi coming to power. Raw materials are going to be used for wealth creation and i think Modi is the best person to oversee allocation of same for same. We don't want coal, iron ore, oil rotting within meters of us while we pay millions to import them. And we need the most efficient way to extract and use them to our benefit, even if that efficiency is German, American, Japanese, Korean or Indian. Only it need benefit the Indian. Modi is only even amongst us most aware of that.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 19 Feb 2014 02:42

I think what is disappointing BJP supporters is that Modi is not in control of his party the way Sonia is. BRF knows his limitations but outside world does not. They have lot of expectations from him. Sample these BJP supporters

sudarshan · Post by **sudarshan** » 19 Feb 2014 02:43

Hoo boy. Just when BJP seems to be getting a handle on the Kejri drama, here's a fresh new bomb lit under Modi's butt. Paki technique of 'ek dhakka aur do.' The Kejri dhakka shook up fence sitters, this one seems to have shaken up hardcore BJP supporters, even on this forum. Has the congress run out of ammunition yet, or are there more weapons arriving from the dirty tricks department?

Public memory and grievances have to die down for sanity to prevail. What would it take to sideline SS for good?

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 19 Feb 2014 02:44

To me the problem with blaming everything on D4 is that, that BJP does not have the guts to throw them out, or Modi and others do not have the wherewithal to walk away and create a new party. This "D4" business is going to be around BJP's neck as a convenient way to deflect some problems of BJP.

Why cannot Rajnath kick Sushma out of BJP - citing disciplinary action or actions leading to the anti-party activities? The party needs to cut its losses, and by removing the D4, we will know what BJP is really made of.

sudarshan · Post by **sudarshan** » 19 Feb 2014 02:47

For instance, somebody was mentioning that sooner or later this unconstitutional bill was going to be challenged in the supreme court. What if Modi, as a private citizen, not in any official capacity, were to initiate this SC proceeding? What would be the pros and cons?

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 19 Feb 2014 02:56

harbans is on the dot.
He even hugged Gehlot after Rajasthan elections.

Neela ji, this man is not a vindictive, frothing in hate kind of person. When Godhra happened he never even stood any election. HE doesn't believe in Morcha's and agitations. He has no hatred or Nafrat in him. He is a very very gentle soul. This man is and will demonstrate himself as the greatest Indian figure in a century at the minimum. Too many people will hate him, but he will not return the hate. Even with LKA he just remained humble. When Krishna said only a few in a million make it to him..my guess is he had only a person like NM in mind. In life my judgement calls have been accurate, i am doubly certain here, i am on the dot. This man is the turnaround in Indian history. That turn that takes us from the negativity of the last 1000 years to a positivity for the next 1000. One thing i am sure. What INC did in 65 years he will do in 3. And i just want him for that. Telangana and D4 are small fry that perspective.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 19 Feb 2014 02:57

>>One thing I haven't understood is why many are disenchanted with NaMo due to the Telangana Bill.

because many people here are from united AP and they wanted the person they believe in to somehow save the day, and keep the current status quo.

its hard, but bihar and jharkhand had the same issue. chattisgarh and MP. punjab and haryana.
in a few years time, AP/ telangana will be the same way, hopefully without rancour.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 19 Feb 2014 02:59

SwamyG wrote:To me the problem with blaming everything on D4 is that, that BJP does not have the guts to throw them out, or Modi and others do not have the wherewithal to walk away and create a new party. This "D4" business is going to be around BJP's neck as a convenient way to deflect some problems of BJP.

Why cannot Rajnath kick Sushma out of BJP - citing disciplinary action or actions leading to the anti-party activities? The party needs to cut its losses, and by removing the D4, we will know what BJP is really made of.

Saar - outside of NaMo and a few self made leaders, most of the BJP is compromised, powerless, or useless. Rajnath is also a D4 that did not make it into the D4. He is now riding the Modi bandwagon for his own benefit. He is just as useless, probably compromised too. Recall his consorting with the Mulayam government in 2005-2007, leading to loss of BJP credibility as an opposition to the SP? Rajnath has been single handedly responsible for finishing off the BJP in UP, and decimating the BJP in Jharkhand (Rajnath engineered the sidelining of the very capable politician and administrator, Babulal Marandi if he returns to the BJP, I have hopes he will be the next NaMo) to favour his protege, Arjun Munda. The idea that Rajnath will take on the compromised elements in BJP is utterly laughable.

Santosh · Post by **Santosh** » 19 Feb 2014 03:06

Modi should go on record that if elected he will challenge legality of T bill and bring it in parliament again for proper discussion. Boom 25 seats. Is such a thing legally possible? Blame the BS on Congi for passing it unconstitutionally.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 19 Feb 2014 03:07

Karan M wrote: because many people here are from united AP and they wanted the person they believe in to somehow save the day, and keep the current status quo.

No - not really. Many wanted to ensure an equitable split. And the Congress wanting to punish SeemaAndhra to shore up its position in Telangana is something people understand here. But BJP going along with the Congress plan and murdering democracy in the darkness, after switching off cameras, brings back a lot of bad memories. For the uninitiated, the newspapers in Delhi were published a day later, due to `technical reasons' when Emergency was imposed This is a similar occurrence. But in 1975, the Jan Sangh courageously opposed Emergency. Today, BJP was hand in glove with the Congress in the arbitrary decision to split Telangana off. Further, the BJP raised hopes in SeemaAndhra that it would oppose the decision to split off Telangana arbitrarily, would take care of SeemaAndhra concerns, and so forth, and then, when the push came to the shove, went with whatever the Congress wanted. This callous emotional manipulation was criminally negligent, or just criminal. It has, understandably, left a lot of people bitter.