AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Feb 2014 01:08

No matter. Info is info.

And right on about Uneven Cohen.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 19 Feb 2014 01:12

ramana wrote:Anyone monitoring the twitter accounts to get feel for what the others feel?

Mixed feelings. Some BJP members are defending what happened, saying gains in T will accrue. Others, many T BJP members, are disgusted. See RohitBJP's (BJP guy from Telangana) tweets. However, ther is also the feeling that it is a bad day for democracy, and BJP has colluded with Cong. Sense of disgust emanating from a lot of BJP supporters.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 19 Feb 2014 01:15

As for the fears of T turning into MIM fiefdom, I would say they are ill-placed. The real danger is conversions to Christianity. Islam is a danger only as far as demographics go - considering that Hindus have swallowed the Birth Control pill. But if the Muslims also modernize then the relative percentages will be maintained because there are hardly any conversions from Hinduism to Islam what with all the negative connotations the latter engenders now a days (correctly so, I may add). On the other hand, Christianity offers certain attractions - IMHO they are only mirages but the marketing usually is in top gear - like no-caste system, women's emancipation, modernity, English language etc. T people are a little resistant to this than the SA people.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 19 Feb 2014 01:21

The logic of Andhra Pradesh division
Mayank Mishra | New Delhi
February 19, 2014 Last Updated at 00:34 IST

On August 19, 1953, the then member of Parliament from Nizamabad in Andhra Pradesh said in the Lok Sabha: "Unfortunately, in the whole of Andhra, that is the 11 districts, there is no single town, which, I think, would be worth calling even a district centre. Fortunately, in Hyderabad, we have got a readymade capital, one of the best cities in the whole of India, very good cement roads, many buildings and all the amenities of city life. Therefore, if a decision about Hyderabad city could have been taken, Hyderabad city would have been a very easy and ready capital and so many difficulties and hurdles would have been easily overcome." (Quoted in Srikrishna Commission report, 2010.)

The city of Hyderabad used to fascinate the people of Andhra Pradesh then and the fascination continues till date. For, Hyderabad not only has very "good cement roads and many buildings" but is the engine that drives the economy of the state. It contributes as much as eight per cent to the state's gross domestic product (GDP), is home to top educational institutions, has a per capita income that is almost double the state average, contributes 5.51 per cent of the state's industrial output, generates 14.11 per cent of state's total services and possesses a thriving real estate and IT sector.

Is Hyderabad the reason Telangana wants separation from the rest of Andhra Pradesh as the region has geographical claim to the capital city? Or has perceived backwardness of the Telangana region fuelled demand for a separate state? Former bureaucrat and now head of Lok Satta Party Jayaprakash Narayan is not way off the mark when he says: "There is no economic reason behind the division of the state. It is essentially a political issue. If that is not the case, why did the Centre take the decision in the manner in which it did, against the will of 60-70 per cent people of the state."

Ironically, as the Srikrishna Commission report notes, while the demand for a separate state of Telangana was made in the 1960s and 1970s, it gained momentum after the state made rapid progress for almost three decades. "Indeed, it could arguably be said that this very progress has led Telangana to revive the demand for a separate state in order to gain greater political space and to bridge more rapidly the remaining, though diminishing, disparities," the report observes.

A detailed analysis of the Srikrishna report clearly establishes the diminishing disparities among the three regions of the state - Coastal Andhra, Rayalaseema and Telangana. A recent paper by G Gangadhar Rao, director, Agro Economic Research Centre, Andhra University, Visakhapatnam, takes the argument further with updated data. In terms of per capita income, while Telangana (with or without Hyderabad) and Coastal Andhra top the state average, Rayalaseema is a clear laggard.

The pattern is similar if one analyses each region's contribution to three segments of the state economy - agriculture, industry and services. Telangana contributes 36.43 per cent to the state's agriculture, 43.18 per cent to the industrial output and 30.91 per cent to the services sector. For Coastal Andhra, the numbers read 46.98 per cent, 37.16 per cent and 39.79, respectively. The much smaller Rayalseema's contributions are in low double digits at 16.4 per cent, 14.15 per cent and 13.77, per cent, respectively.

However, the picture changes if one looks at the per capita revenue generated in all three regions. Rao's paper (EPW, October 19, 2013) says: "An examination of the revenue of regions in AP in 2012-13 reveals that Telangana (inclusive of Hyderabad) has a share of Rs 48,000 crore (69 per cent); Rayalaseema, Rs 5,000 crore (7 per cent); and Andhra, Rs 17,000 crore (24 per cent), while the population shares stand at 42 per cent for Telangana, 18 per cent for Rayalaseema, and 40 per cent for Andhra."

Rao told Business Standard that following the division, "Telangana will be a net gainer of revenue worth Rs 19,000 every year whereas Coastal Andhra and Rayalaseema would suffer a loss of revenue to the tune of Rs 11,000 crore and Rs 7,000 crore, respectively." Is it possible for the Centre to compensate for such a loss of revenue to would-be Seemandhra, asks Rao.

Telangana's revenue generating power comes from Hyderabad. However, even without Hyderabad, the region can compete with the rest of the state on all parameters. If backwardness is not the reason, what is? Why did the people take to the streets while demanding a separate state of Telangana? Srikrishna commission report offers some answers.

"So far as the income change dynamics is concerned, the coastal Andhra region has moved over to a more equitable distribution of income where the deprived, the wage labourers, and the SCs/STs/minorities have gained income during the decades of 1990 and 2000; whereas these communities were not able to improve their household income and living conditions in Telangana. This analysis provides credence to the fact that the most of the deprived communities in Telangana are facing hardship and therefore are vulnerable to mass mobilisation on one pretext or the other, including political mobilisation with promises which may or may not be met," the report observes.

So, relative deprivation of a section of the population is the reason behind protest movements for a separate Telangana, led by the same set of people who would have perhaps ensured that the deprived stayed deprived! And leaders of the movement have been clearly driven by the ambition to become chief minister and ministers. Andhra Pradesh has been in existence for 57 years now. Leaders of Telangana region occupied the chief minister's chair all of four times spanning almost 12 years. Two of the prominent ones being M Channa Reddy and P V Narasimha Rao, with the latter subsequently becoming the Prime Minister as well.

However, Andhra Pradesh knows better that the chief minister from a particular region does not ensure overall development of that region. Otherwise, how will one explain the relative backwardness of Rayalaseema, whose leaders have occupied the CM's chair for 28 long years?

While leaders from the Telangana region are eyeing ministerial berths and the chief minister's chair, the fear of losing Hyderabad is now driving protests in Seemandhra.

The Bill to carve out Telangana was passed by the Lok Sabha on Tuesday.
http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 023_1.html

Compare above facts with the narratives of "oppression" "exploitation" "OUTRAGE" "jeeehaaarrrd on dutty SAs" accompanied by alarming music etc in one of the recent YouTube videos commisioned by massabased T-vaadis (linked here by gandharva ji) harping (on ultimately irrelevant) gentleman's agreement and various unsustainable lift irrigation( I.e against gravity ) proposals on traditionally rain fed semi arid clime of T.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Feb 2014 01:23

nageshks wrote:
ramana wrote:Anyone monitoring the twitter accounts to get feel for what the others feel?
Mixed feelings. Some BJP members are defending what happened, saying gains in T will accrue. Others, many T BJP members, are disgusted. See RohitBJP's (BJP guy from Telangana) tweets. However, ther is also the feeling that it is a bad day for democracy, and BJP has colluded with Cong. Sense of disgust emanating from a lot of BJP supporters.

So SS has managed to turn the ire towards BJP and Modi!

That was her game plan to check rise of Modi?

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 19 Feb 2014 01:25

Forget MIM Naxals EJs - Biggest threat is from the T vs SA schism going to be exploited by all and sundry - you thought riots and burnings in Bangalore over the piddly Hogenakkal falls are stupid - wait till you see the future T vs SA confrontations fanned with glee by Islamist EJ forces among others. The groundwork is now laid .

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 19 Feb 2014 02:08

Massa based T vadis are of no consequence other than to make hula-Gullah on the net. It is the situ on the ground.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 19 Feb 2014 02:23

What of the situ on the ground did these Massa based Tvaadis actually knew when they commissioned below video (credits are displayed in the beginning) ?
One can only wonder....

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 19 Feb 2014 02:29

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 19 Feb 2014 02:40

Timeline: Telangana

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Feb 2014 03:50

Business Standard op-ed

Singling Out Andhra

Singling Out Andhra

The Andhra Pradesh Reorganisation Bill, which was passed in the Lok Sabha on Tuesday, has moved forward like a juggernaut despite determined protests inside and outside Parliament. Even the interim Budget speech on Monday was delivered by a finance minister with three burly Congress parliamentarians from Tamil Nadu standing by his side throughout; in the background, strident shouts in support of a united Andhra Pradesh could continually be heard. The Congress party and the United Progressive Alliance (UPA) leadership should ask itself: has its support for the creation of Telangana in this manner, missing out on possible processes and making a special case of it, been worth the continual disruption of its legislative agenda?

Whatever the merits of the formation of a new state, the fervent opposition within the political system can be relatively easily explained. Money is made in cities; in Andhra Pradesh, it's made in Hyderabad. Were the rump of Andhra Pradesh - generally called Seemandhra now - to lose control of Hyderabad, the costs to several would be severe. This perhaps explains the anger of the businessman-politician Lagadapati Rajagopal, who produced and used pepper spray in the Lok Sabha last week. His Lanco group, with major investments in real estate in power, would lose a great deal if Hyderabad were no longer his bailiwick. Yet, regardless of objectors' motivations, the simple fact is that by making a special case of Telangana - by, essentially, saying that the Union Cabinet can create a new state and Parliament can make it law, and no other real processes are required - the government has contributed to the anger. Nobody likes a fait accompli. Equally, nobody likes the sense that they are being singled out. And the people and politicians of Seemandhra can justifiably say they have been singled out.

From the beginning, a second States Reorganisation Commission that looked at the administrative arguments for bifurcation of Andhra Pradesh as well as several other states - especially Uttar Pradesh, so large as to be ungovernable - was the better option. Instead, in search of quick political gains, the UPA chose to avoid this process. The consequences of this decision are visible for all to see. Politically, too, the Congress will almost certainly be wiped out in Seemandhra. Its pursuit of Jagan Mohan Reddy appears to have further embittered the son of Andhra Pradesh's former Congress chief minister; he launched a personal attack on the Congress president on Monday. And, even in the seats that comprise Telangana, it is far from certain whether the Congress will benefit from the decision. The Telangana Bill is yet to be passed by the Rajya Sabha. Were it to fail there, the situation can be recovered by the next government - or by this one before it leaves office. A States Reorganisation Commission that would allow voices from both parts of Andhra Pradesh to be heard - and to feel that they are part of a larger process and not being focused on unfairly - could still happen. Without that, the bitterness will endure.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 19 Feb 2014 05:24

Hyderabad: Revenue sharing agreement and UT status.

Kakkaji · Post by **Kakkaji** » 19 Feb 2014 06:36

On the BJP's side Sushma Swaraj, Like Ghatotkach, should be made to take the fall for the manner in which the bill was passed. At the very least, she should be denied a Lok Sabha ticket in the next election.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 19 Feb 2014 06:51

vijayanagara has collapsed and AP will be torn up into smaller kingdoms now.
eventually someone like the rayalaseema nayaks might emerge to offer an alternative power stability but for a few years it will resemble china after the central rule collapsed, all sorts of warlords and secret societies running amok.

in the past this is the same way in which Assam was torn apart , first meghalaya and then many more. and we can see the end result decades later
- ethnic strife on a unheard of scale
- demands for even smaller divisions so smaller warlords get their own thrones
- none of the states are economically viable in agriculture or industry - dependent on 90% grant 10% loan bailout formula on a permanent basis
- EJs ran amok
- civilizational disconnect from mainstream india based on external narratives and cats paw powder sprinklers
- a loss of pride in native cultures/dress/customs - rootless hard rock listening wonders
- a thin layer of so called "tribal" elites rule the roost and send their kids to delhi and abroad for education.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 19 Feb 2014 06:56

^^^
Zero confidence in Parliament now. People don't have to follow central laws.

Lights-off, feed-cut, voice vote will screw this country in the future.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 19 Feb 2014 06:58

Kakkaji wrote:On the BJP's side Sushma Swaraj, Like Ghatotkach, should be made to take the fall for the manner in which the bill was passed. At the very least, she should be denied a Lok Sabha ticket in the next election.

What is the use, saar? There is a Kannada proverb, ಕೆರೆ ಒಡೆದವನ ಹತ್ತಿರ ಕಂಬಳಿ ಕಿತ್ತು ಕೊಂಡರು. Roughly translated, it means, they seized the rug from the man who had destroyed the village lake. What you do to SS now is irrelevant. She has destroyed the BJP and TDP chances in SA, and helped the Mafia substantially. If you were to chop her to pieces and feed her to the crows, it still would not materially alter the damage she has already done.

By the way, those who are counting the Mafia as finished in SA maybe a little too optimistic. I won't rule out Jagan reuniting with the Mafia, two years hence.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 19 Feb 2014 07:29

Singha wrote:vijayanagara has collapsed and AP will be torn up into smaller kingdoms now.
eventually someone like the rayalaseema nayaks might emerge to offer an alternative power stability but for a few years it will resemble china after the central rule collapsed, all sorts of warlords and secret societies running amok.

in the past this is the same way in which Assam was torn apart , first meghalaya and then many more. and we can see the end result decades later
- ethnic strife on a unheard of scale
- demands for even smaller divisions so smaller warlords get their own thrones
- none of the states are economically viable in agriculture or industry - dependent on 90% grant 10% loan bailout formula on a permanent basis
- EJs ran amok
- civilizational disconnect from mainstream india based on external narratives and cats paw powder sprinklers
- a loss of pride in native cultures/dress/customs - rootless hard rock listening wonders
- a thin layer of so called "tribal" elites rule the roost and send their kids to delhi and abroad for education.

+1, saar. You have precisely articulated what moi lacked the sophistication to express. This is the unsaid fear at the heart of this wantonly done division.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 19 Feb 2014 07:33

Hari Garu, Nothing of that sort will happen. It could only be a political clout that may be lost. I'll take a bet that an economic powerhouse will emerge.

Dasari · Post by **Dasari** » 19 Feb 2014 08:43

Muppalla wrote:Hari Garu, Nothing of that sort will happen. It could only be a political clout that may be lost. I'll take a bet that an economic powerhouse will emerge.

No chance of that in the next 5-10 years. The biggest issue I've with SA is not the division, not the Hyderabad, and not Polavaram. It is the leadership vacuum. Now Jagan, the criminal and the looter, will be the CM for next 5 years, leading a team of 'who is who' list of looters. To pick up the pieces from there would be a herculean task for anybody. Just watch the circus around capital city selection-it would be nauseating.

vina · Post by **vina** » 19 Feb 2014 08:53

Muppalla wrote:Hari Garu, Nothing of that sort will happen. It could only be a political clout that may be lost. I'll take a bet that an economic powerhouse will emerge.

Exactly. Coastal Andhra will be an economic powerhouse. Like I said earlier, build an Albany/Sacremento equivalent for a capital in some boondocks, kick out the Babus and Mantris there and build grand economic, trade, cultural and industrial centers out of Vizag, Vijaywada, Rajahmundry, and Cudappah etc. The AP thing was too concentrated in Hyd. Not good. You need to get some 4 or 5 medium sized cities that are dynamos of economic output and wealth. Very doable. You need the equivalents of Salem, Karur,Tiruppur , Coimbatore , Trichy, Madurai and Tirunelveli and Tuticorin in Andhra.

Dont make Vizag a capital. It is a civilized highly industrial place and baboons running amok here will poison it forever. Baboons and Mantris and assorted politicos are best barricaded and quarantined in some Canberra/Ottawa/Sacramento/Albany/Gandhinagar kind of place where they can do their own toxic things and keep out of others hairs .

Remember, this entire Telengana vs Semmandhra split is ALL ABOUT BABOONS AND MANTRIS not he common man. News of "Telengana" folks in the secretariat bursting crackers and distributing sweets vs "Seemandhara" folks doing R&D is illustrative. The Seemandhra guys in Hyd must be pretty apprehensive about getting assigned to SA region in the division of bureaucracy and other things that will follow. Moving from HYD back to Guntur is the primary reason of the Babu khujli , especially chances are that he paid a pretty packet as bribe to get a "posting" in HYD in the first place, while the likes of Lagdapati Pepper Spray is about loss of big rent seeking opportunities in HYD. For the common man, it wont matter a f*ck. People will still visit ,move, mingle and marry and do business and whatever as they always did, folks from Coastal Andhra and Rayalseema will have a big and outsized presence as they always did in Bangalore, Madras and of course Hyderabad, the Reddy land sharks will keep putting up "Reddy Made" apartments , in short life goes on as usual. Give this R&D a rest and just relax.

vina · Post by **vina** » 19 Feb 2014 08:54

Dasari wrote:Now Jagan, the criminal and the looter, will be the CM for next 5 years, leading a team of 'who is who' list of looters. .

Was his dad a lesser criminal and looter? Dad was a known thug, grandpa was even more thuggish and iirc got knifed by the TDP folks. Pepper Spray dude's FIL, was he a saint?

a_bharat · Post by **a_bharat** » 19 Feb 2014 09:19

No significant concessions for SA. Mostly empty promises.

There is a mention of Metro for Vijayawada-Guntur-Tenali and another for Vizag. Perhaps capital will be in either of these two.

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... a-worries/

Official amendments to Telangana Bill moved by the government Tuesday attempted to address concerns of Seemandhra region by committing the Central government to provide an unspecified quantum of “special development package” and safeguard existing and ongoing irrigation projects, besides a slew of higher education institutions in Seemandhra.

Amendment 17 moved by Home Minister Sushil Kumar Shinde binds the Centre to give a “special development package” through central “grants” and “incentives” for Seemandhra region in particular, Rayalseema and north coastal regions. The amendments do not fix a floor level of grants for Seemandhra.

Given Seemandhra has special concern over river water sharing and its impact on irrigation projects, amendment 23 says “the consent for Polavaram Irrigation Project shall be deemed to have been given by the successor state of Telangana” with compulsion on the Centre to “obtain all requisite clearances” for the project.

Amendment 36 restrains both successor states from squabbling over six irrigation projects — Handri Niva, Telugu Ganga, Galeru Nagiri, Venegondu, Kalvakurthi and Nettempadu — with a condition that these projects under construction “shall be completed as per plan notified by the existing State of Andhra Pradesh”.

Apart from an IIT, an NIT, an IIM, an IISER, a Central University and an IIIT, the amendments provided “a Petroleum University” as well to Seemandhra along with a National Institute of Disaster Management. As for infrastructure, the amendments specified “six months” for PSUs to provide feasibility of infrastructure projects assigned to them with the addition of “establishing an integrated steel plant in YSR (Kadapa) District” and exploring “Metro Rail facility in Visakhapatnam and Vijayawada-Guntur-Tenali Metropolitan Urban Development Authority” within a year.

However, none of 38 amendments sought to alter the Governor’s independent responsibility over common capital Hyderabad, which the BJP claimed required a Constitution Amendment. BJP is likely to move an amendment to this effect in the Rajya Sabha.

The Lok Sabha rejected five amendments moved by TMC member Saugata Roy and 19 moved by AIMIM member Asaduddin Owaisi. Hyderabad MP Owaisi’s amendments sought to reject the common Governor and sought to restrict Hyderabad as joint capital to two years.

wasu · Post by **wasu** » 19 Feb 2014 09:48

AjitK wrote:PRS Legislative @PRSLegislative : https://twitter.com/PRSLegislative/stat ... 4852191232 Text of the Andhra Pradesh Reorganisation Bill, 2014: http://t.co/SdoSNY1VdB

PRS Legislative : https://twitter.com/PRSLegislative/stat ... 7959109632 Text of Lok Sabha debate on the Andhra Pradesh Reorganisation Bill today:http://bit.ly/N6nSQ4 and http://bit.ly/1jC5EB4

Went thru these links. There is no record of SS speaking at all. Very fishy. Only 4 people spoke. Shinde, Jaipal, Owaisi & Roy. No info on the first 38 amendments. Here is the info on the clauses and the rest of the amendments.

C2: Polavaram Villages Exclusion
C3: No Info
C4: No Info
C5: No info
C6: 45 days instead of 6 months to finalize new capital
C7: No info
C8: No info
C9 – C14: Bunched together and approved – No info
C15: Delimitation as per 2008
C16: No info
C17: Legislature numbers
C17A: Anglo-Indian nominations
C18: Page 5, line 13, omit “provisional”.
C19: No info – Dropped
C20: Page 5, line 40, omit “provisional”.
C21: Speaker
C22: No info
C23: Legislative council mumbo jumbo
C24: Legislative council mumbo jumbo
C25: Legislative council mumbo jumbo
C26: Legislative council mumbo jumbo
C27: Increase the legislative assembly seats to 225 and 153 in seemandra and telangana
C28-31: Bunched together and approved – No info
C32: no info
C33: no info
C47:

"Provided that on the appointed day, the President shall make a reference to
the Fourteenth Finance Commission to take into account the resources
available to the successor States and make separate awards for each of the
successor States.

(2) Notwithstanding anything in sub-section (1), the Central Government
may, having regard to the resources available to the successor State of
Andhra Pradesh, make appropriate grants and also ensure that adequate
benefits and incentives in the form of special development package are
given to the backward areas of that State.

(3) the Central Government shall, while considering the special
development package for the successor State of Andhra Pradesh, provide
adequate incentives, in particular for Rayalseema and north coastal regions
of that State.".

C48: no info
C49: no info
C50 – 54: Bunched together and approved – No info
C55: no info
C56- 59: Bunched together and approved – No info
C60: no info
C61-72: Bunched together and approved – No info
C73: Page 18, line 7, for "89", substitute "88".
C74-75: Bunched together and approved – No info
C76: no info
C77: no info
C78: no info
C79: no info
C80: no info
C81: Central govt will have final say for any conflicts
C82: no info
C83: no info
C84: public service commission – amendment by owaisi defeated
C85- 90: Bunched together and approved – No info
C91: Pranahita project – amendment by owaisi deafeated
C92: no info
C93: no info
C94: Page 25, line 2, after "successor States", insert "within a period of ten years from the appointed day".
C95: no info
C96: article 371D
C97 – 109: Bunched together and approved – No info

A39 & 40 (Saugata Roy): Hyd joint capital until the new capital for seemandra is ready – defeated
A41(Saugata Roy): No info – defeated
A42(Saugata Roy): governors power – defeated
A43 (Saugata Roy): Minor change to C47 - defeated
A44 (Owaisi): Khairatabad revenue area as interim capital of seemandra for 2 yrs – defeated
A45 (Owaisi): two governors – defeated
A46 (Owaisi): two separate high courts – defeated
A47 (Owaisi): Court judges – defeated
A48 (Owaisi): AP bhavan and other properties – defeated
A49 (Owaisi): division of liabilities – defeated
A51 (Owaisi): pension based on nativity – defeated
A52 (Owaisi): local criteria for institutions – defeated
A53 (Owaisi): govt nativity etc – defeated
A54 (Owaisi): public service commission – defeated
A55 (Owaisi): Pranahita project – defeated
A56 (Owaisi): Singareni Colliery – defeated
A57 (Owaisi): defeated
A58 – 60 (Owaisi): defeated
A61 – 62 (Owaisi): defeated

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 19 Feb 2014 12:16

Drama continues, in RS today. Toothless, rootless BJP says 'no debate without live telecast'. Yawn.

KKR quits all posts - CN, MLAship and INC primary membership... yawn again.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 19 Feb 2014 12:36

Hari Seldon wrote:Drama continues, in RS today. Toothless, rootless BJP says 'no debate without live telecast'. Yawn.

KKR quits all posts - CN, MLAship and INC primary membership... yawn again.

Let's see if Venkaiah Naidu performs any better or goes in the way like Napunsaks like Sushma, Jaitely *, Advani, Rajnath, Namo.

* Jaitely last time during Food security bill in RS - "I'm approving bill but I don't like the bill provisions"

rkirankr · Post by **rkirankr** » 19 Feb 2014 12:44

[quote="SandeepA]RajeshA,
I have always loved your posts and no offence to you but frankly I dont care abt Mata when my house is burnt down. Yes NaMo was our only hope and today we realized he has fatal flaws too. I wanted to be in India for the GE just to add my vote for NaMo but now I dont care anymore and am leaving.[/quote]

Let me get this right. Entire AP voted for Cong , not once but twice even when Cong Promised Telengana in 2004. BJP had no presence, no stake
BJP all along went with the stand , that they are for division of the state into Telengana and SA. The Congis played a dirty game and all the pro and anti groups are playing the roles assigned by High command.
However BJP stuck to its stand till the end as they said they are for Telangana in principle. Oh but is all BJP's fault only, so we will vote some one else who in the end will join cong. All is well. We stopped communal forces. If this is the thinking, I have no hopes. Let us welcome RG baba as PM. Let Namo stay in Gujarat. Atleast those people have done some Punya to get him as their leader.

What were SA guys and MLAs doing from 2004?

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 19 Feb 2014 12:51

From FB, a incisive post

India's 29'th state, the inevitable Telangana, is now a reality. The future of India lies in decentralization, for better governance, so there's logically no reason for crying our lungs out. It's not something like the partition of India has happened and non porous borders have been drawn. What is shameful and deplorable is the way the Bill was passed in the Lok Sabha, by blacking out the telecast and doing voice for vote. A blot on our democracy, but what better can you expect from Congress? Congress maintains its legacy of passing bills in the din of the house. This time, closed doors and black out of proceedings is an additional treat for the democracy! As Sushma Swaraj of BJP rightly put it, Congress calls it a technical glitch, but it was actually a tactical glitch. BJP has been consistent with its demand for Telangana since 1998. No point attacking BJP for supporting Telangana or "cheating" Seemandhra, as morons are putting it. Being the only party with most consistent view on the subject, how do you expect them to backout? Besides, Congress always had the numbers to pass the Bill even with BJP walking out, then why should not BJP get the credit too? Yes it hurts to be called an outsider in a city which "you" built, but then you were the ones who anyway sent MPs to the Parliament who directly/indirectly supported Sonia's urgency to get the bill passed. People of Andhra voted for Congress in 2004 & 2009, in state & centre, and forming Telangana was in their agenda too, though they realised its urgency only now because Rahul Gandhi wishes to fight elections from Medak. Congress floated the idea of Rayala-Telangana also, to please the Owaisis & cripple TRS, but failed there too. Then it tried making Hyderabad a Union Territory, but dismissed it to let its autonomy be with the crook Owaisis. Whether Telangana or not, about 14/17 seats from that region belong to Congress allies. There are sycophants galore in Telangana, like the ones who built temple for Sonia Gandhi, wanted to rename the state to Sonia-Telangana & touched her feet after bill got passed. The sinister game is about the 25 seats of Seemandhra, where Congress can never dare to enter. So what does it do? Demonises BJP in Seemandhra for being the culprit! You never voted for BJP, never gave them the power and authority to fight for you and yet you blame them for your sorrows! BJP has been the only party which has promised compensation bounties for Seemandhra, including a dream capital like Hyderabad. It is upto the people to realise who they trust their future with - annoyingly all Samakyandhra proponents were flag bearers of Telangana in the past, whether Jagan or Naidu. Shockingly, you see this spectacle in Seemandhra that a master-looter who is out on bail is been seen as the destiny man! Jagan, another Chiranjeevi, is Sonia's man, and this is an open secret. And the new martyr in town, Kiran Reddy too wishes to fool the masses with his own rebel party, though he too would merge with Congress post polls. Yes, this bifurcation was only to gain political points, but if you claim to be smart, who is stopping you from seeing through these shenanigans. And yes, do see the turncoats when Modi, with 220+, walks towards Red Fort.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 19 Feb 2014 14:01

Tables with latest data from the EPW article of Oct 2013 issue quoted in the Business Standard artecal.

PDF itself of the EPW article is below

http://www.docdroid.net/file/download/9 ... radesh.pdf

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 19 Feb 2014 14:39

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-new ... 85551.aspx

Modi involved in this matter and major contribute to the BJP actions. But I think he made a serious political mistake here. He has not addressed the steps BJP will take till now. Other than him no one has any credibility in SA. In fact even his voice may not be welcome for many. But effort has to be made as there are 25 MP seats to gain.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 19 Feb 2014 14:40

Lilo Saab, don't u think Andhra is sitting pretty from the above table?. Subtract hyd, rr from all the calculations as though they don't exist and see where it will be.

member_25682 · Post by **member_25682** » 19 Feb 2014 14:48

SandeepA wrote:
Khatri wrote: So since BJP - somehow didn't stop the partition, we should give the mandate again to Mafia ! Jai ho... love the logic of "Bharat" Rakshak posters !
Please point me to one post that said this?

Also guys please note the frustration of the SA folks on this forum - Many of them are staunch NaMo-vadis not that many hardcore Telangana-vadis here. Reason? The idea of Telangana is not Indic, it is rooted in Islamic rule and Dhimmi mindset. Today we have given fillip to these forces again, the repercussions could be far-reaching. I dont think BJP even considered this and thats where the tragedy lies.

Fair enough Sandeep ji re it hurts the cause of Indic... now if and how much we will pay onlee time shall tell.... But Hard Core Fan of #Namo ---> no more supporter of #Namo, #Namo sold out onleee

... what's that ? Its loaded with lots of assumption - 1.#Namo /BJP promised it will be stopped 2. #Namo / BJP agreed and/or said that this hurts the National Unity 3. SA supported #BJP #Namo with whole heart and demanded that TRS be stopped at any cost .... so SA frustration is misplaced... which will only help Mafia... won't it ? e.g. who are the frustrated with #Namo helping by not helping #Namo ?

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 19 Feb 2014 15:08

NaMo has no role and I know from who are dealing with AP in BJP. That HT article is a spin. Latest IBTL survey puts TDP on top.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 19 Feb 2014 15:10

Muppalla wrote:Lilo Saab, don't u think Andhra is sitting pretty from the above table?. Subtract hyd, rr from all the calculations as though they don't exist and see where it will be.

Muppala ji,
Please to quote the specifics and edumacate me .
Btw Recently I've visited guntur govt hospital on a nonspecific purpose, while I was there i was frantically searching for that chaddi less kid decked in gold and silver playing in the wards remembering your constant picturization of Seemandhra in that vein. I didn't find him though.

Maybe you are seeing that golden boy of Seemandhra in the Data, so please to point me his outlines.

And when HYD is being "given" to T in perpetuity wonder why you want to subtract it from the resource division consideration . And wonder why Ranga Reddy district (excluding Hyd) must be subtracted ?
Are developed districts of Telangana not to be considered when appraising the status of Telangana vis a vis rest of the state ?

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 19 Feb 2014 15:55

Muppalla wrote:NaMo has no role and I know from who are dealing with AP in BJP. That HT article is a spin. Latest IBTL survey puts TDP on top.

Can You give the link sir. I am not finding it online. Every one in the paid media predicting jagan to win a landslide.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 19 Feb 2014 16:14

Narayana Rao wrote:http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-new ... 85551.aspx

Modi involved in this matter and major contribute to the BJP actions. But I think he made a serious political mistake here. He has not addressed the steps BJP will take till now. Other than him no one has any credibility in SA. In fact even his voice may not be welcome for many. But effort has to be made as there are 25 MP seats to gain.

I don't really understand the logic in this article.

"Modi talked to CBN and then he decided to screw BJP-TDP alliance and gave his approval to Telangana"

I think Modi should from now on in his rallies, where ever they may be, always take up the issue of Seemandhra. He should always say that Congress did Zeher ki Kheti there and as Prime Minister, it would be his responsibility to put balm over the wounds of Seemandhra, and ensure that they don't lose out materially in any way and help them build a developed Seemandhra. He would make sure that corruption does not eat away the dream of Seemandhra people who will be building a new capital and an industrial corridor over the next years. He should say that Seemandhra voters should shun all those politicians who have indulged in crony capitalism and corruption over the years and that he promises to be a sympathetic partner for Seemandhra at the Center.

Whether CBN joins NDA or not, Modi and CBN should continue to show themselves together at various functions and rallies.

geeth · Post by **geeth** » 19 Feb 2014 16:15

Dear Andhraites,

We all understand your pain and sense of helplessness..but the stupidity of your arguments and blaming BJP is so glaring that public may think some of you are suffering from schizophrenia. For Gods sake stop wailing and do something positive..and don' queue up to vote for Jagan Mohan Rowdy.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 19 Feb 2014 16:35

BJP wants amendments to be included in the T Bill. Congis in a fix. Upper house adjourned for day.

If these have to be included, then they have to go back to Lower house.

What do the SA folks have to say now? As someone said, Shatrughan

negotiating with Ravan for Sita!

a_bharat · Post by **a_bharat** » 19 Feb 2014 16:53

BJP wants amendments to be included in the T Bill. Congis in a fix. Upper house adjourned for day.

If these have to be included, then they have to go back to Lower house.

What do the SA folks have to say now? As someone said, Shatrughan negotiating with Ravan for Sita!

Just dikhawa.
Regret donating money to this stupid/evil party. Are they also stupid enough to refund me?

sum · Post by **sum** » 19 Feb 2014 17:00

geeth wrote:Dear Andhraites,

We all understand your pain and sense of helplessness..but the stupidity of your arguments and blaming BJP is so glaring that public may think some of you are suffering from schizophrenia. For Gods sake stop wailing and do something positive..and don' queue up to vote for Jagan Mohan Rowdy.

^^ +1
Some of the logic seen here is astounding!

merlin · Post by **merlin** » 19 Feb 2014 17:06

geeth wrote:Dear Andhraites,

We all understand your pain and sense of helplessness..but the stupidity of your arguments and blaming BJP is so glaring that public may think some of you are suffering from schizophrenia. For Gods sake stop wailing and do something positive..and don' queue up to vote for Jagan Mohan Rowdy.

I blame the BJP for this mess, maybe not equally as I blame the Congress but a substantially. In this issue they have been meek followers of the Congress and nothing much besides and that is hard to stomach.

1. Colluding with the Congress to get it passed without TV coverage leads to the impression that they have something to hide. Congress wanting to blank out the TVs is very understandable given how they operate, but the BJP also going along with that is something hard to stomach.

2. BJP has stated that they will not support the bill without their amendments being considered. Did they do a volte-face and still go ahead and support if their amendments were not incorporated? If so, what credibility do they have?

3. So how many seats is the BJP going to get both in Telangana and SeemaAndhra? And how many is the Congress/allies going to get in the same areas? So who is the loser here and who is the gainer?