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SanjayC wrote:
geeth wrote:Yes, I will continue to sit on my high horse and condescend, because that is the least I can do against the chu#%yappa going on in the name of division of Andhra. With no disrespect to Laloo or Biharis, even they behaved in a much more respectful way, when Bihar was divided. At that time Advani was HM (betenoire of Laloo) Bihar lost most of its natural resources..by behaving in such cantankerous ways, Telugu people are making division of any other state that much more difficult. It is high time India shows Telugus their place in the country
The problem is over-emotionalism -- the same thing which makes Tamils and Telugus set themselves on fire or consume poison if a political leader or film star kicks the bucket. They are unable to think rationally and with a cool head. That is how now BJP keeps getting abused when it is in power neither in the center nor in the state. Notice that hardly a word of abuse has been said about Cong or Sonia on this board by the "hurt" Telugus.
More bunk. Who in AP consumed poison/set themselves on fire because some leader or film star kicked the bucket?

Care to substantiate it? Or is it "let me take a potshot since an open season has been declared on telugus."
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geeth wrote:It is high time India shows Telugus their place in the country
Go ahead and Telugus will show India its place then ? Happy ?
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As i have said many times in past Cow-belt Lottas(acroos the parties) are cancer to the body of Mother India
Why BJP is very upset with Sushma Swaraj

BJP sources said their party has consistently maintained that while it is committed to the formation of a separate state of Telangana, it also wanted the concerns of the Seema-Andhra region to be adequately addressed. Oddly enough, Sushma Swaraj did not press this issue in the Lok Sabha on Tuesday. Anita Katyal reports.

There is growing anger in the Bharatiya Janata Party against its Lok Sabha leader Sushma Swaraj for her failure to draw attention to the concerns of the Seema-Andhra region when she rose to support the Telangana Bill in the Lower House on Tuesday.

The United Progressive Alliance government was able to pass the controversial Andhra Pradesh Reorganisation Bill in the Lower House only after the principal opposition party decided to back the legislation.

The BJP, however, had second thoughts on Wednesday and insisted on moving amendments to the bill when it realised that Swaraj’s oversight had put its alliance with the Telugu Desam Party in jeopardy and sent out a message that it had colluded with the Congress in passing the bill in the midst of chaos. It now wants to make amends by putting its imprint on the legislation.

BJP leaders are particularly upset as the Tuesday developments have also hit its prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi’s image in the Seema-Andhra region where his effigies were burnt during the bandh called by the anti-Telangana parties on Wednesday.

“Sushma Swaraj has effectively spoilt Modi’s party in Andhra Pradesh,” remarked a senior BJP leader. A section in the party was quick to point fingers at Swaraj for deliberately queering the pitch for Modi.

BJP sources said their party has consistently maintained that while it is committed to the formation of a separate state of Telangana, it also wanted the concerns of the Seema-Andhra region to be adequately addressed. Oddly enough, Sushma Swaraj did not press this issue in the Lok Sabha on Tuesday.

The BJP resorted to this balancing act as it could not be seen to be going back on its decades-old commitment to the formation of Telangana. At the same time, it did not want to turn its back on Seema-Andhra as it was hoping to make political gains in this region in partnership with the TDP.

Consequently, the BJP belatedly picked holes in the Telangana Bill passed by the Lok Sabha and insisted on moving amendments to the legislation in the Rajya Sabha on Wednesday.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, Home Minister Sushilkumar Shinde and Parliamentary Affairs Minister Kamal Nath had extensive discussions with BJP leaders Arun Jaitley and Venkaiah Naidu but the talks proved inconclusive. As a result, the Telangana bill could not be taken up for discussion on Wednesday though it was listed on the agenda.

Rural Development Minister Jairam Ramesh was sitting with BJP leaders till late on Wednesday evening to sort their differences so that the bill can be passed in the Upper House on Thursday.

The ruling alliance is not agreeable to the BJP’s amendments as the bill will then have to go back to the Lok Sabha for ratification. The government’s parliamentary managers believe this will prove to be an uphill task given the pandemonium they encountered during the passage of the bill.

BJP’s Rajya Sabha leader Arun Jaitely, who led the discussions, pointed to the lacunae in the bill and asked for several amendments which include a substantial compensation package for the Seema-Andhra region and a change in the powers of the common governor of the two states which will have a common capital in Hyderabad for ten years. This will necessarily require a constitutional amendment in the bill which will have to be approved by a two thirds majority, an impossible task given the mood of the members.

“This is another instance of BJP’s doublespeak…Why are these concerns being raised now? Its leaders(Means Sushama) never moved any amendments in the Lok Sabha and nor did they seek a package for Seema-Andhra when the Finance Bill was discussed,” Parliamentary Affairs minister Kamal Nath told Rediff.com

BJP leader Prakash Javadekar , however, insisted that they had discussed their list of amendments with the government before the debate in the Lok Sabha and had agreed to back the bill only when their leaders were assured that their suggestions would be incorporated. “But when we read the bill we realised that our amendments had not been included,” he explained.

Hectic efforts are on to end the stalemate as there are only two more days to go before the curtain comes down on the last session of Parliament after which all political parties will hit the campaign trail for the forthcoming Lok Sabha elections.

Faced with strong anti-incumbency, the Congress naturally wants to go out on a victorious note by showcasing statehood for Telangana as one its major achievements. The BJP obviously does not want the Congress to grab all the credit and would like to share the limelight.

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/why-b ... id=twshare
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Rony wrote:
geeth wrote:It is high time India shows Telugus their place in the country
Go ahead and Telugus will show India its place then ? Happy ?
isn't it curious how many people are equating Congress/BJP/NaMo with India? Are we back to the `Indira is India' days? India did not show Telugus their place. The Congress, aided by a supine BJP, did. The crimes perpetrated on SeemaAndhra are done by the Congress and their BJP bootlickers, not by India. India holds Telugus in high regard, and vice versa. This whole business of people speaking for `India showing Telugus their place' is getting a little tiresome.
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Muppalla wrote:Lilo Saab, don't u think Andhra is sitting pretty from the above table?. Subtract hyd, rr from all the calculations as though they don't exist and see where it will be.
Or even add half to SA and half to T so that the percentages add to 100%. Then one would see the a slight difference. So SA or T going to dogs after the division is an incorrect prognosis. It boils down to money making by cronies which has bee turned into an emotional issue. The best course of action for both regions in Hyderabad is to not provoke each other. I hope any thoughts of rioting in Hyderabad and T areas is nipped in the bud and the law us implemented with an iron fist till the passions cool down and people realize that life can go on as before.
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The problem is there are many outside the state who pretend to be Indics and have no clue how to go about it. If you have bothered to understand the nuances of the present problem then talk abt it here if you didnt then keep you preachy statements where the sun dont shine. If you dont understand the Tutsis v/s Hutus war somewhere in south eastern Africa, then better stop preaching them about world peace!
Frankly I'm running out of patience with the 'all-indians-from-south-are-madrasis' type.
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geeth wrote:It is high time India shows Telugus their place in the country
I wonder if you can even place where AP is on a map of India
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prahaar wrote:Sir, with full respect there is no such thing as schadenfreude happening, may be for some in Telengana, most people in India wanted a speedy amicable resolution of this problem.
As far as I can tell no T supporter here on BRF has shown any schadenfreude. It is simply that the Samaikyandhra supporters were optimistic that the division would not happen because BJP/NaMo would come riding on a horse and rescue at the last moment. For many T formation was a forgone conclusion. The task in front of everybody is to prevent an xenophobic sentiment take root in Hyderabad so that the hardworking SA commons who have been there for a major part of their lives and have businesses/livelihood can go on as before once the current emotional crisis passes and passions cool down.
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SanjayC wrote:The problem is over-emotionalism -- the same thing which makes Tamils and Telugus set themselves on fire or consume poison if a political leader or film star kicks the bucket. They are unable to think rationally and with a cool head.
The understanding of "these people" to issues involving Telugus is similar to Wendy doniger's understanding of Hinduism. They know jack shyte but pretend to know everything.
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RajeshA wrote:... but in Telangana the Velamas would get the upper hand through TRS. Also many would be Seemandhra-based Reddys with commercial interests in Hyderabad and Telangana.
In T it would be a Velama-SC/ST with Brahmin-Bania in the background. Velamas do not have the numbers. Some Brahmins are reform minded and are for tearing down the caste walls. IMHO and all that.
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KSKumar wrote:Because the effing point is, both Congress and BJP endorsed the fanatic telenganite propaganda of Seemandhra folks being cheaters, looters and worse. No one, not even NaMo stood up and said, the state is not being divided because Telengana has been cheated.

That's the effing point.

It is effing galling that all the great analysts on this forum have no clue about the genesis of the fake dispute between some feudal telenganites/naxals and Seemandhra folks (mainly businessmen, professionals and employees).

Of course, being all great Indics, an understanding of the issue is not required.
You are drenched in some rare koolaid of your own, I don't think logic/facts work for you. Please continue with what pleases you.
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Sagar G wrote:
KSKumar wrote:Because the effing point is, both Congress and BJP endorsed the fanatic telenganite propaganda of Seemandhra folks being cheaters, looters and worse. No one, not even NaMo stood up and said, the state is not being divided because Telengana has been cheated.

That's the effing point.

It is effing galling that all the great analysts on this forum have no clue about the genesis of the fake dispute between some feudal telenganites/naxals and Seemandhra folks (mainly businessmen, professionals and employees).

Of course, being all great Indics, an understanding of the issue is not required.
You are drenched in some rare koolaid of your own, I don't think logic/facts work for you. Please continue with what pleases you.
Yeah,thanks for the illuminnation
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KSKumar wrote:Yeah,thanks for the illuminnation
You are welcome.
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KSKumar wrote:More bunk. Who in AP consumed poison/set themselves on fire because some leader or film star kicked the bucket?Care to substantiate it? Or is it "let me take a potshot since an open season has been declared on telugus."
From Wikipedia on YSR:
A Telugu television station, NTV, reported that as many as 122 people died of shock or committed suicide upon hearing the news of Reddy's death, many of whom were young supporters or those who benefited from his social welfare schemes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y._S._Rajasekhara_Reddy
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chaanakya wrote:Language as a basis for division of state and the factor that unites people have long been disproved and/or abandoned. MP, UP and Bihar was divided though they had same linguistic background or at least majority of them had.
You cannot compare that with AP division. They are already three states speaking Hindi. Splitting them is not like splitting AP since AP was the only state with Telugu speaking people.
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^^^ I have always believed that linguistic basis of creating states was a disaster, and as usual for all disastrous ideas floating at the time of Independence, this too got Nehru's support. It has only promoted regionalism and weakened the national identity, as Nehru was warned it would.

It would have been better to have created Indian states by drawing straight lines on the map, like in the US, so all this chest beating about language would have stopped.
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matrimc wrote:
Muppalla wrote:Lilo Saab, don't u think Andhra is sitting pretty from the above table?. Subtract hyd, rr from all the calculations as though they don't exist and see where it will be.
Or even add half to SA and half to T so that the percentages add to 100%. Then one would see the a slight difference. So SA or T going to dogs after the division is an incorrect prognosis. It boils down to money making by cronies which has bee turned into an emotional issue. The best course of action for both regions in Hyderabad is to not provoke each other. I hope any thoughts of rioting in Hyderabad and T areas is nipped in the bud and the law us implemented with an iron fist till the passions cool down and people realize that life can go on as before.
matrimc,

Sustainability of both states is, at best, a red herring created by people against the division.

Also, the bifurcation had become inevitable after all the sustained drama.

But, the bunk of large scale cheating against Telengana, the most ccommonly sightedreason, should have been debunked.

I don't know to what extent the common people of telengana have swallowed this line, but this leaves a ready made excuse for future political leadership in telengana. Once, the andhra bogey stops paying dividends, a new bogey will be created. It maybe some other language group, of even the Central Govt.

The maya of "dochukunnaru" will return and many failures can be covered up under this cloak,
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KSKumar: your argument presupposes T people are bozos and freeloaders. May I put it to you that this is part of the problem too?
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KSKumar wrote: .
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So, will UP be divided? The assembly has already passed a resolution, presumably the people of UP want it.

So, why does NaMo not raise it at all?
Gorkhaland is a matter of time. It will happen soon. It is giving Didi and Pranabda sleepless nights.
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I wonder if you can even place where AP is on a map of India


My knowledge level is none of your concern. If you are intelligent enough, worry about the future of your state because this is going to happen and mark my words (I will be happy if proved wrong).

1. Andhra divided will again vote for mafia gang on either side of the fence.
2. EJs & IJs will make merry on either side and wipe out Indic culture from the state
3. Rowdy gangs will keep asking for funds from contre which is hard earned money of Indians including me. They will then use it to fatten their own pockets.
4. Needless to say, these rowdy gangs will take the state down a path in 5 years time , that would make every Indian feel that, afterall, Laloo was an angel.
5. Aftr 5 years, Chiranjeevi will be asked to resurrect PRP and fight elections- again the theme will be to teach BJP a lesson or two ( Telugu people are not at all emotional ..no)
6. They will also ensure Soniamma is back in the saddle (I.e., if there Isa break).


You see, it is the fault of the rest of the Indians particularly BJP/ Yindoos that the Telugu people are in such a sorry state of affair
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SanjayC wrote:
KSKumar wrote:More bunk. Who in AP consumed poison/set themselves on fire because some leader or film star kicked the bucket?Care to substantiate it? Or is it "let me take a potshot since an open season has been declared on telugus."
From Wikipedia on YSR:
A Telugu television station, NTV, reported that as many as 122 people died of shock or committed suicide upon hearing the news of Reddy's death, many of whom were young supporters or those who benefited from his social welfare schemes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y._S._Rajasekhara_Reddy
This was debunked effectively right at that time as Jagan Reddy's imagination. Or at least that of his team to create massive media hype.

So, you read that Wiki entry and made your silly post? Or you shot off your mouth and went looking for justification?

TOI LINK
YSR 'shock deaths' a charade to claim money?
TNN | Sep 17, 2009, 01.15AM IST
HYDERABAD: Andhra Pradesh CM Y S Rajasekhara Reddy's death earlier this month sent shock waves across the state that reportedly claimed lives of 457 people, including 40 who committed suicide. Now, what appears to be macabre "dead body politics'', overzealous Congress workers are allegedly offering money to the families of the dead many of whom died natural deaths or committed suicides for other reasons to claim that YSR's death pushed them into taking their lives.

The families have been allegedly promised anything between Rs 5,000 and Rs 15,000 for the favour.

The Jagan Sena or the brigade supporting YSR's son Jaganmohan Reddy allegedly handed over money to the families of even those who died due to natural causes. "Once Jagan is made CM, they said they would give them more money,'' a TDP leader alleged. Two youth who attempted suicide in Warangal for personal reasons were portrayed as trying to end their lives for YSR.
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SanjayC wrote:
KSKumar wrote:More bunk. Who in AP consumed poison/set themselves on fire because some leader or film star kicked the bucket?Care to substantiate it? Or is it "let me take a potshot since an open season has been declared on telugus."
From Wikipedia on YSR:
A Telugu television station, NTV, reported that as many as 122 people died of shock or committed suicide upon hearing the news of Reddy's death, many of whom were young supporters or those who benefited from his social welfare schemes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y._S._Rajasekhara_Reddy

lol Many of these deaths would be either fake or natural deaths or accidents made out to be "because of YSR death" by supporters and friendly media.
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SanjayC wrote:
KSKumar wrote:More bunk. Who in AP consumed poison/set themselves on fire because some leader or film star kicked the bucket?Care to substantiate it? Or is it "let me take a potshot since an open season has been declared on telugus."
From Wikipedia on YSR:
A Telugu television station, NTV, reported that as many as 122 people died of shock or committed suicide upon hearing the news of Reddy's death, many of whom were young supporters or those who benefited from his social welfare schemes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y._S._Rajasekhara_Reddy

Yup these including still borne babies and 98 year olds
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matrimc wrote:KSKumar: your argument presupposes T people are bozos and freeloaders. May I put it to you that this is part of the problem too?
You are reading it incorrectly. I am referring to what the political class will do.

And I do believe the "dochukunnaru" argument is nonsense.

I did say that I do not know if the ordinary telengana folks believe this.

But, the danger of this tactic being repeated in the future is very great. It would be harmless if the ordinary folks never bought it in the first place, But, if they did, that's not a very pleasant prospect.
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Yes lying out of the teeth and invective is valued over reasoned logic and dialogue for most Tvaadis .
Becomes obvious from the kind of puff pieces being penned dedicated and circulated as praise for the Tvaadi in chief.
K Chandrasekhar Rao’s acerbic tongue does the trick for Telangana
Ch Sushil Rao,TNN | Feb 18, 2014, 08.25PM IST
HYDERABAD: It was K Chandrasekhar Rao's acerbic tongue that did the trick for Telangana. The Telangana Rashtra Samithi (TRS) leader's Telangana dialect caught the attention of the masses in the region who loved the way he spoke. No one leader - either in the Congress, TDP or for that matter in the TRS itself - could match the power of his tongue.

With a post-graduate degree in Telugu, KCR always spoke in the language his crowd best understood. What distinguished from politicians of his ilk was his ability to speak in the very same dialect in the Telangana districts he would visit. There is a change in the way the dialect is spoken in different parts of Telangana and KCR knew the local jargon just too much to connect with the masses. The sarcasm against top political adversaries was not lost. Tragedy was they could not match his language skills. Such was his sarcasm that he even poked fun at the biryani that is made in the Andhra region. "Adhi biryani kaane kaadhu (That is that biryani at all)," he said taking criticism of Andhra region to a different level. In fact, he referred to the Andhra biryani as 'cow dung' resulting in protests in the Andhra region.

What enraged politicos in other parties was that he used flowery Telangana language to abuse them. On the face of it, the language would seem 'unparliamentary' or 'abusive' but KCR would give an explanation: "That is the way we speak in Telangana."

KCR gave a 'clue' to find out if a person belonged to Andhra or Telangana. "Sit at the Secretariat and talk to people who come out of it. If someone calls a patoto as 'Alugadda' he is from Telangana and if he calls it 'bangaladumpa', he is from Andhra," KCR said much to the delight of his audience at public meetings. He listed out several other vegetables names like that.

At times, he would go overboard but that would only seem entertaining to the masses that he represented. There was one other way that KCR used to connect to the people when he addressed public meetings. He would simply wipe his mouth with his bare hand with no handkerchief. If he wanted to take a dig at anyone big leader who criticised him or the Telangana cause, he would never take his name on the stage. "Ayanovaro Unde. Gayana perenti? (Who was that man? What is his name?" he would ask others on the podium as if the person he wanted to criticise did not merit even his name being uttered from the podium.

The moment he came on to the Telangana firmament through his TRS, KCR targeted Tollywood. He warned the film industry against typecasting Telangana people as villains in movies. That was the time when villains were made to speak only in the Telangana jargon. The warning worked. There was a change in the Telugu film industry.

To connect to his crowds, KCR would always narrate tales. At a public meeting one day, he lambasted TDP leader N Chandrababu Naidu. "When we were flying in a 'gaalimotor' (helicopter) over Medak district one day, Naidu laughed when I said the district needs water for irrigation," he told the crowd. Needless to say, he was successful in instigating people against Chandrababu Naidu.

KCR would never spare even the crowd if they disturbed his speech. "Avvo Gatlendu Maataduthundru. Sappudu Cheyyaka Kosondi (Why are you'll talking? Be quiet)" he used to say in the Telangana slang with effect.

The Telangana leader was mocked and made fun of for his language by his political adversaries. But very soon, even newspapers started reporting him verbatim, for effect. Some television channels also started bulletins with new readers reading reports on the Telangana slang.

What is also interesting is KCR's command over the English language and also Urdu. That gave him the ability to muster support for his cause speaking to national leaders of different parties. KCR's tongue has more than done the trick for Telangana.

http://m.timesofindia.com/india/K-Chand ... 632130.cms
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geeth wrote:My knowledge level is none of your concern. If you are intelligent enough, worry about the future of your state because this is going to happen and mark my words (I will be happy if proved wrong).

1. Andhra divided will again vote for mafia gang on either side of the fence.
2. EJs & IJs will make merry on either side and wipe out Indic culture from the state
3. Rowdy gangs will keep asking for funds from contre which is hard earned money of Indians including me. They will then use it to fatten their own pockets.
4. Needless to say, these rowdy gangs will take the state down a path in 5 years time , that would make every Indian feel that, afterall, Laloo was an angel.
5. Aftr 5 years, Chiranjeevi will be asked to resurrect PRP and fight elections- again the theme will be to teach BJP a lesson or two ( Telugu people are not at all emotional ..no)
6. They will also ensure Soniamma is back in the saddle (I.e., if there Isa break).


You see, it is the fault of the rest of the Indians particularly BJP/ Yindoos that the Telugu people are in such a sorry state of affair
Ask AP to secede and, hey presto! Your money is safe.

Your intelligence is truly great. I wonder why this simple plan did not occur to you.
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How does one say "Zeher ki Kheti" in Telugu?
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nagesh ji, thanks for the explanation. agree on you on many points and from that article it seems many bjp leaders do as well.
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RajeshA wrote:How does one say "Zeher ki Kheti" in Telugu?
Zeher= Visham (poison)
Kheti = Polamu (field)

Wrong analogy.

Think Shumb + Nishumb for Congress
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Thanks ramana garu!
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KSKumar wrote:
geeth wrote:My knowledge level is none of your concern. If you are intelligent enough, worry about the future of your state because this is going to happen and mark my words (I will be happy if proved wrong).

1. Andhra divided will again vote for mafia gang on either side of the fence.
2. EJs & IJs will make merry on either side and wipe out Indic culture from the state
3. Rowdy gangs will keep asking for funds from contre which is hard earned money of Indians including me. They will then use it to fatten their own pockets.
4. Needless to say, these rowdy gangs will take the state down a path in 5 years time , that would make every Indian feel that, afterall, Laloo was an angel.
5. Aftr 5 years, Chiranjeevi will be asked to resurrect PRP and fight elections- again the theme will be to teach BJP a lesson or two ( Telugu people are not at all emotional ..no)
6. They will also ensure Soniamma is back in the saddle (I.e., if there Isa break).


You see, it is the fault of the rest of the Indians particularly BJP/ Yindoos that the Telugu people are in such a sorry state of affair
Ask AP to secede and, hey presto! Your money is safe.

Your intelligence is truly great. I wonder why this simple plan did not occur to you.
Its strange pseudo secularists Andhris keep voting for CONs and when they get their dues blaming indics and BJP for not supporting them. And saying BJP lost blah blah 25 seats, which will any way is going for CONs, with or without BJP the division would have happened because you choose representatives like you Andhris only(yatha Raja tatha Praja), so now stop complaining and accept its you SEEMA ANDHRA voters who are to blame for division of your state. Andhra will anyway go to same road as Bengal and Kerala due to its voting pattern. You guys are most welcome to vote against BJP again, as I don't think you guys make much difference in BJP tally now or ever made. if not pseudo secular Andhra parties then probably pseudo secular party from Bengal will need BJP support for funds from center.
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ramana wrote:
RajeshA wrote:How does one say "Zeher ki Kheti" in Telugu?
Zeher= Visham (poison)
Kheti = Polamu (field)

Wrong analogy.

Think Shumb + Nishumb for Congress
Correction

Zeher = Visham (poison)
Kheti = panta (crop)
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Paul wrote:
KSKumar wrote: .
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So, will UP be divided? The assembly has already passed a resolution, presumably the people of UP want it.

So, why does NaMo not raise it at all?
Gorkhaland is a matter of time. It will happen soon. It is giving Didi and Pranabda sleepless nights.
I will believe it when it hppens. Also, Gorkhaland and AP division are not exactly similar. Neither are the 3 states BJP created ealier.

In the present economic situation, prosperous state capitals are terribly important as both sources of revenue a d educational d emoliyment destinations.

Separating a state and depriving it of its capital of many decades is a big blow.

Even that can be overcome. But, division without debunking the stupid (and false) exploitation arguments is very alienating.
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SandeepA ji,

thanks. I have already sent an email on this. :|
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MaharathiArjun wrote:
KSKumar wrote: geeth"My knowledge level is none of your concern. If you are intelligent enough, worry about the future of your state because this is going to happen and mark my words (I will be happy if proved wrong).

1. Andhra divided will again vote for mafia gang on either side of the fence.
2. EJs & IJs will make merry on either side and wipe out Indic culture from the state
3. Rowdy gangs will keep asking for funds from contre which is hard earned money of Indians including me. They will then use it to fatten their own pockets.
4. Needless to say, these rowdy gangs will take the state down a path in 5 years time , that would make every Indian feel that, afterall, Laloo was an angel.
5. Aftr 5 years, Chiranjeevi will be asked to resurrect PRP and fight elections- again the theme will be to teach BJP a lesson or two ( Telugu people are not at all emotional ..no)
6. They will also ensure Soniamma is back in the saddle (I.e., if there Isa break).


You see, it is the fault of the rest of the Indians particularly BJP/ Yindoos that the Telugu people are in such a sorry state of affair "

Ask AP to secede and, hey presto! Your money is safe.

Your intelligence is truly great. I wonder why this simple plan did not occur to you.
Its strange pseudo secularists Andhris keep voting for CONs and when they get their dues blaming indics and BJP for not supporting them. And saying BJP lost blah blah 25 seats, which will any way is going for CONs with or without BJP the division would have happened because you choose representatives like you Andhris only(yatha Raja tatha Praja), so now stop complaining and accept its you SEEMA ANDHRA voters who are to blame for division of your state. Andhra will anyway go to same road as Bengal and Kerala due to its voting pattern. You guys are most welcome to vote against BJP again, as I don't think you guys make much difference in BJP tally now or ever made. if not pseudo secular Andhra parties then probably pseudo secular party from Bengal will need BJP support for funds.
What the heck is "Andhris" ?
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lilo crying :(( wrote: What the heck is "Andhris" ?
Sickularists from Andhra Pradesh who keep voting Sickularists like themselves In power and blame indic forces when their Karma bites them back.
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MaharathiArjun
Its strange pseudo secularists Andhris keep voting for CONs and when they get their dues blaming indics and BJP for not supporting them. And saying BJP lost blah blah 25 seats, which will any way is going for CONs, with or without BJP the division would have happened because you choose representatives like you Andhris only(yatha Raja tatha Praja), so now stop complaining and accept its you SEEMA ANDHRA voters who are to blame for division of your state. Andhra will anyway go to same road as Bengal and Kerala due to its voting pattern. You guys are most welcome to vote against BJP again, as I don't think you guys make much difference in BJP tally now or ever made. if not pseudo secular Andhra parties then probably pseudo secular party from Bengal will need BJP support for funds from center.
Yeah, yeah. We had it coming.

Vote for party that is hard pressed to find booth agents? Why would anyone?

Also, have your state level leadership team up with naxals and abuse the very people whose votes you want.

Brilliant strategy by indics.
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MaharathiArjun wrote:
lilo crying :(( wrote: What the heck is "Andhris" ?
Sickularists from Andhra Pradesh who keep voting Sickularists like themselves In power and blame indic forces when their Karma bites them back.
^ So you Maharathi Arjun and "your" BJP (who would be Bhagvan Krishna here I guess) appoint yourselves as the dispenser of Karmic retribution for the "sins" of dutty SAs which includes not electing JinnahArjuna Advani in 2009?
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Aditya_V wrote:Yup these including still borne babies and 98 year olds
Suicide epidemic jolts South India

By Lydia Polgreen, International Herald Tribune:

These politically motivated deaths are just one aspect of a troubling trend

Sai Kumar Meegada, a 20-year-old chemical engineering student at a prestigious university in Hyderabad, came home from breakfast one morning early this month, slipped a length of clothesline around his neck, tied it to the ceiling fan in his dorm room and hanged himself.

“For the people of Telangana, this is my final salute,” said a note he left, referring to the decades-old struggle to create a separate region in Andhra Pradesh. “My final and last request is take my body to the legislative assembly. Goodbye.”

With that, Meegada became one of a surprising number of people — many of them young and educated, with bright futures awaiting them — to have committed suicide over the battle to carve out India’s 29th state. Some estimates have attributed more than 200 suicides to the cause. But these politically motivated deaths are just one aspect of a troubling trend. Suicide has become something of a phenomenon in India, especially in the south, which now has one of the highest suicide rates in the world — a fact that has both puzzled and alarmed public health experts.

Suicides by indebted farmers are frequently reported in the news media and pointed to as a sign that India has forgotten its rural poor. But according to Indian government statistics, bankruptcy or poverty provoke less than 5 per cent of Indian suicides. A family conflict, a broken love affair or an illness is a more likely spur.

Then there are politics. The number of ideologically motivated suicides in India doubled between 2006 and 2008, the last year for which statistics were available, according to the government. While the overall number remains small, mental health experts say these deaths illustrate the increasing stress on young people in a nation where, elections notwithstanding, the masses often feel powerless.

“Young people see this as a way to give meaning to what seem like meaningless lives,” said Sudhir Kakar, a prominent psychoanalyst and novelist who has written extensively about mental health in India. “It is a way to become a hero, to take a stand.”
Suicide is generally considered taboo in Hinduism, the religion of most Indians, because it disrupts the cycle of reincarnation that is central to the soul’s progress, Kakar said.

Epic fasts
But the willingness to die for a cause, as exemplified by Gandhi’s epic fasts during the struggle for independence, is seen as noble and worthy. Ancient warriors in Tamil Nadu, in southeastern India, would commit suicide if their commander was killed, Kakar said. And the practice of sati, or widow burning, although outlawed, remains a potent symbol of wifely devotion. In modern, democratic India, however, such drastic measures seem like a bizarre and troubling throwback that has shattered many families.
The political causes that spur multiple suicides can seem remarkably provincial. When Andhra Pradesh’s popular chief minister, Yeduguri Sandinti Rajasekhara Reddy, died in a helicopter crash last year, the news media reported suicides by dozens of his supporters, though such reports are difficult to verify.

Other suicide epidemics have had nothing to do with politics. When a gangster kidnapped the Indian actor Rajkumar, one of the biggest stars of Kannada-language films, in 2000, it was reported that dozens of his fans had committed suicide out of despair for their hero’s safety.

The fight for statehood for Telangana, an inland region that sees itself as marginalised by coastal elites, gained attention when a fast brought the movement’s leader, K Chandrasekhara Rao, to the brink of death in December.
Since then, confusing political brawling has left the region’s statehood hopes in limbo, but dozens of young people besides Meegada, the engineering student, have succumbed to the emotional pull of the issue. M Sunil Kumar was a 25-year-old reporter at a local newspaper in the provincial town of Warangal. His older brother Anil had dropped out of high school to run the family’s mutton shop when their father died so that Sunil could go to college.

Statehood movement
Kumar apparently became obsessed with the statehood movement, attending every meeting of the local activist group. One day in early March, the family went to a distant temple, but Kumar stayed behind. His mother discovered him hanging from a beam, one of her shawls around his neck. “I am sacrificing my life for Telangana, to wake up our leaders,” he wrote in a suicide note.

But his family has also sacrificed, losing not only a son but also their biggest breadwinner. “I lost my son because of Telangana,” his mother, Swarupa, wailed. “Don’t burn your mother’s womb,” she shouted, imploring other statehood supporters not to commit suicide.

Nevertheless, local political leaders have exploited Kumar’s death. Outside the family’s two-room house hangs a banner with Kumar’s photograph superimposed over his suicide note. “Those who commit suicide for Telangana, we salute you,” the text on the poster says. “Wake up people and fight for Telangana.”

Political leaders of the movement said that they tried to discourage young people from committing suicide. “We tell them, don’t die for Telangana, live and fight for Telangana,” Rao said. But other leaders seem less wary about celebrating suicide for the cause. “They are real heroes,” said Peddi Sudarshan Reddy, a member of the governing council of the main pro-statehood party. “But we are not glorifying that heroism.”

Glory is perhaps what Karunakar, 20, a lower-caste eighth-grade dropout, was looking for when he doused himself in kerosene and set himself alight in January.
He instantly became an icon in his village. A poster of him in a tough, Bollywood-style pose of defiance hangs in the village square, next to a small temple to the monkey god Hanuman. In life, he was unheralded: a day laborer who grew up in a part of town notorious for prostitution. In death, he was a hero.

“He was all the time talking of Telangana, Telangana, Telangana,” said his 70-year-old grandfather, Musku Hanumanthu. “I tried to persuade him not to get too involved. But he used to say, ‘I will sacrifice everything for Telangana.’ ”
“Even in the hospital he kept saying, ‘Long live Telangana,’ ” Hanumanthu said.
North-south divide in Indian suicide rates

The southern states of Kerala, Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh and Tamil Nadu have a suicide rate of greater than 15 while in the Northern States of Punjab, Uttar Pradesh, Bihar and Jammu and Kashmir, the suicide rate is less than 3.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_India
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Lilo wrote:
MaharathiArjun wrote: Sickularists from Andhra Pradesh who keep voting Sickularists like themselves In power and blame indic forces when their Karma bites them back.
^ So you Maharathi Arjun and "your" BJP (who would be Bhagvan Krishna here I guess) appoint yourselves as the dispenser of Karmic retribution for the "sins" of dutty SAs which includes not electing JinnahArjuna Advani in 2009?
What is the punishment for the dutty Keralites, Tamils, Bengalis, Marathis, and heck, even Gujaratis (12 seats were won by Congress) who did not vote for the BJP? When are they getting their states ripped up? What level of voting for BJP absolves people from the Karmic retribution decided by the self-appointed dispensers of Karmic justice?
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