AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 21 Feb 2014 02:48

^ Although MIM opposed Telangana tooth and nail as claimed by Tvaadis ,it somehow wanted Urdu as Telangana's 1st official language when the time came , http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 1#p1504991

In this regard Prof Kanakaiah may wish to take up the cleaning up of dutty sounding Telugu sounds (which may or maynot have come from Sanskrit) simultaneously with the infusion of the mellifluous Nizami Zaban - so that the resultant Telangana language will sound as different to dutty SAs as possible and even the Owaisis will smile in approval in the resulting sweetness.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 21 Feb 2014 03:07

Muppalla wrote: They are not comfortable. The INC+TRS bonhomie is a very short term one. The clear KHAM is what they built in Telangana for now. But hunch is even if T is not as casteistic as SA is but then it still will have caste stuff with a mix of mullah politics. Velamas and mullahs going together can work and probably fit together as they had centuries of dining deer biryani together

Muppalla-ji, what happens if the INC-TRS merger does not happen at all? What if they remain separate parties?

Reddys + BCs combination will be BJP as it is not competitive to keep Reddys, Velamas for ever in the same basket. TDP vanishes from next election even if it wins few assembly seats this time around. The fissures will lead to clashes as Muslims are in the shadow of SA banigardhi so far and that will probably end.

If the merger does not happen, can't the Reddys and the BCs end up in the Congress? Or how about a Velama+Muslim+BCs combination for the TRS, against the Cong's Reddy+SC+ST? Where does that leave the BJP? Is it a given that the BJP will gain in Telangana?

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 21 Feb 2014 03:34

nageshks wrote:
Muppalla wrote: They are not comfortable. The INC+TRS bonhomie is a very short term one. The clear KHAM is what they built in Telangana for now. But hunch is even if T is not as casteistic as SA is but then it still will have caste stuff with a mix of mullah politics. Velamas and mullahs going together can work and probably fit together as they had centuries of dining deer biryani together
Muppalla-ji, what happens if the INC-TRS merger does not happen at all? What if they remain separate parties?

Reddys + BCs combination will be BJP as it is not competitive to keep Reddys, Velamas for ever in the same basket. TDP vanishes from next election even if it wins few assembly seats this time around. The fissures will lead to clashes as Muslims are in the shadow of SA banigardhi so far and that will probably end.
If the merger does not happen, can't the Reddys and the BCs end up in the Congress? Or how about a Velama+Muslim+BCs combination for the TRS, against the Cong's Reddy+SC+ST? Where does that leave the BJP? Is it a given that the BJP will gain in Telangana?

Nagesh garu,
Without MIM, BJP is no good. They may generate some excitement by bringing Sushma to run in Mahaboobnagar MP seat, if Congress brings Rahul Gandhi or some other to Medak MP seat. You'll have some celebrity matches. Other than that BJP will be zero. They basically are looking for some rejects from other parties to come and join them.

Nalgonda, Khammam, Warangal, Karimnagar, Adilabad (in all 4 BJP will be nill) don't follow the same voting pattern as Mahboobnagar, Rangareddi, Medak, Nizamabad (western districts bordering Karnataka). Hyderabad has its own voting pattern. BJP can't win Secundarabad or Hyderabad on its own. If they get some riots they can get some advantage in Hyd/Sec'bads.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 21 Feb 2014 03:59

nageshks wrote: Muppalla-ji, what happens if the INC-TRS merger does not happen at all? What if they remain separate parties?

For this election leave the caste factor. It is definitely will have a new State wave. But I am not sure if TRS can easily merge with INC. There are folks there who don't want to go with INC.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 21 Feb 2014 04:12

This whole thing was, like in past, fixed match between Mafia and D4. Just like raid on Gadkari, Loh purush showd middle finger to RSS and Modi, saying do whatever you can.

Arun Jaitley, the Rajya Sabha Opposition leader, allowed Naidu to dominate the BJP’s optics in the House even as he negotiated with the Congress to ultimately pass the Telangana bill.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1140221/j ... waMEvjoFUE

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 21 Feb 2014 04:16

ShyamSP wrote: Nagesh garu,
Without MIM, BJP is no good.

I agree absolutely. BJP is limited to MIM border areas, and a few communally sensitive constituencies.

They may generate some excitement by bringing Sushma to run in Mahaboobnagar MP seat, if Congress brings Rahul Gandhi or some other to Medak MP seat.

Sushy auntie is not stupid. She will demand Vidisha or Bhopal or some safe constituency (and believe me, she will get it too). She will never risk her neck in Mahabubnagar. Last time, she was asked to contest from Faridabad to give a boost to BJP in Haryana and she refused. Besides, I thought that BJP was rewarding that TDP defector, Nagam Janardana Reddy with Mahabubnagar ticket, and his son, assembly ticket for Nagarkurnool, or some such place. Good luck to the BJP in retaining that perpetual party hopper.

Other than that BJP will be zero. They basically are looking for some rejects from other parties to come and join them.

So - this is the brilliant strategy? Hope that someone in TDP, TRS, or Cong gets angry enough with the party and comes to them? What did the great Kishan Reddy do for the last ten years? I don't think the party even has a cadre in Nalagonda, Bhongir, Mahabubabad, Warangal or Khammam. So why would anyone even want to contest on BJP ticket?

Nalgonda, Khammam, Warangal, Karimnagar, Adilabad (in all 4 BJP will be nill) don't follow the same voting pattern as Mahboobnagar, Rangareddi, Medak, Nizamabad (western districts bordering Karnataka). Hyderabad has its own voting pattern. BJP can't win Secundarabad or Hyderabad on its own. If they get some riots they can get some advantage in Hyd/Sec'bads.

I did a quick check on the ECI website, and yes you are absolutely right. BJP vote shares in the last election in all 17 constituencies are given below

Adilabad - 6.71
Peddapalle - 7.5
Karimnagar - 12.37
Nizamabad - 12.79
Zahirabad - 4.93
Medak - 6.51
Malkajgiri - 10.8
Secunderabad - 19.7
Hyderabad - 10.33
Chelvella - 10.39
Mahabubnagar - 6.26
Nagarkurnool - 4.85
Nalagonda - 2.09
Bhongir - 4.07
Warangal - 3.5
Mahabubabad - 1.67
Khammam - 0.93

As you can see, BJP has more than 10% of the vote in only 6 out of 17 constituencies (and BJP expects to win in such circumstances on its own, with an insipid leadership, scanty cadres, and no glory? Truly, they are demented!). Anywhere the BJP is <10% can be written off, except for Mahabubnagar, I think (and that is only because of Nagam). All northern and eastern districts (heck, even Zahirabad and Medak are impossible for BJP) from what we see here.

Out of the ones where BJP has >10% of the vote, Karimnagar is KCR's home, I think. Even if Chennamaneni Vidyasagar Rao were to contest for BJP, I think he would lose to TRS (unless TRS takes pity and agrees to do match fixing). Hyderabad is impossible for BJP, and Owaisi will likely win again. Secunderabad, you say, is impossible for the BJP. So that leaves just Malkajgiri, Chelvella, and Nizamabad for BJP. What are their chances in these three constituencies?

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 21 Feb 2014 04:21

Muppalla wrote: For this election leave the caste factor. It is definitely will have a new State wave. But I am not sure if TRS can easily merge with INC. There are folks there who don't want to go with INC.

Will BJP even have representation in Telangana Assembly? Will even Kishan Reddy win?

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 21 Feb 2014 04:41

nageshks wrote:...
I did a quick check on the ECI website, and yes you are absolutely right. BJP vote shares in the last election in all 17 constituencies are given below

Adilabad - 6.71
Peddapalle - 7.5
Karimnagar - 12.37
Nizamabad - 12.79
Zahirabad - 4.93
Medak - 6.51
Malkajgiri - 10.8
Secunderabad - 19.7
Hyderabad - 10.33
Chelvella - 10.39
Mahabubnagar - 6.26
Nagarkurnool - 4.85
Nalagonda - 2.09
Bhongir - 4.07
Warangal - 3.5
Mahabubabad - 1.67
Khammam - 0.93
...

Nagesh, just for reference, do you have BJP's vote share in SA?

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 21 Feb 2014 04:42

putnanja wrote: Nagesh, just for reference, do you have BJP's vote share in SA?

BJP lost deposit in all 25 LS constituencies and all 175 Assembly constituencies. They had just around 2% of the vote.

Kakkaji · Post by **Kakkaji** » 21 Feb 2014 04:46

Chinnamma should be forced to contest from a seat in Telangana. That should be Modi's revenge for spoiling his party in Andhra.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 21 Feb 2014 04:49

Kakkaji wrote:Chinnamma should be forced to contest from a seat in Telangana. That should be Modi's revenge for spoiling his party in Andhra.

If it were up to me, I would force Sushy auntie to contest from Khammam against Renuka Chaudhary (we could call it the battle of the Hags). After forcing Sushy to contest against Renuka, I would campaign for TDP

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 21 Feb 2014 05:03

If BJP's vote share was less than 5% in AP, how will it have gained 15-20 seats even if they opposed creation of telangana? Even in CBN will 20 seats in SA and can't ally with BJP, he is definitely not going to support Congress.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 21 Feb 2014 05:14

putnanja wrote:If BJP's vote share was less than 5% in AP, how will it have gained 15-20 seats even if they opposed creation of telangana? Even in CBN will 20 seats in SA and can't ally with BJP, he is definitely not going to support Congress.

The death of the Congress in SA has opened up a lot of space. If BJP had resolutely opposed the T Bill, the BJP would have been the beneficiary of the death of the Congress. Congress had about 20% of the vote in SA (even after Jagan), and BJP, by grabbing the Congress biz-politicos looking for a new national protector, could have grabbed quite a bit of the vote. Even so, I doubt the BJP's own vote would cross 15% totally in SA, if it contested on its own. But a whole horde of very powerful Congressmen were willing to jump to the BJP. With the TDP alliance, these would have won for the BJP (some 5 seats). And a TDP win in SA would have cemented the alliance, strengthened NDA, and most importantly, a BJP TDP alliance would be even viable in Telangana (maybe not for this election, but certainly for the next).

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 21 Feb 2014 05:19

ShyamSP wrote:Are they going to dump Potana (from Warangal) Andhra Maha Bhagavatam?

lol, since the Telanganas want to imitate pakis and go to the extent of removing Telugu sanskritised letters , i won't be surprised if some genius will modify it in Telangana slang and call it Telangana maha bhagavatam

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 21 Feb 2014 05:46

Terrible. How did it com to this?

Any which ways, I while wishing namo the best no longer expect him to win. But hope springs eternal they say. Not in a mood to hope either.

By colluding in passing the T-bill, the lotus has sh0t itself in the foot. The GE2014's game changer has happened already. UPA3 or its B-team (turd-forth front) has inched marginally ahead in the sweepstakes, I fear. IN such muddied waters does EVM magic best thrive only.

A non-namo PMship will drag the country down the tubes in the next 5 yrs. Doubt if India can survive UPA-3 (or its lite version in a turd front) intact for another 5 years.

P.S.
chalo, under UPA-3, a guy like me can still work towards reversing my RTI if fate is kind... but what of those who can't leave? I recall the optimism and confidence at the time I RTIed in '09 thereabouts. Wanted to stay in India and have the kids grow up here... AP seems destined, despite itself, to once again stop Indic forces from taking Delhi (a la 2004) I fear... And again the same Q, how did it come to this?

Kakkaji · Post by **Kakkaji** » 21 Feb 2014 06:44

I don't think this division can be undone now. In fact, I don't think NaMo could have stopped it, even if he tried (and how do we know he did not try, behind the scenes?).

So, it is time to move on and look to the future.

I hope all the disappointed and hurt SA folks vote for TDP, and not for YSRC.

In T it will be INC+TRS sweep of all 17 seats for sure (unless T folks reward their Chinamma with a Lok Sabha seat

)

But BJP can occupy the opposition space in T, with an eye to the future.

If SA resurrects CBN and TDP, that would be the best political outcome after this messy divorce.

If CBN is elected as CM of SA then, shorn of his pet Hyderabad city, he would hopefully put his considerable administrative skills towards developing new Hyderabads in SA.

And T folks, after 5 years of misrule by INC+TRS, would hopefully elect BJP the next time.

Just hoping(and trying to cheer up Hari Seldonji).

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 21 Feb 2014 06:53

Vsudhir sir,
you are being despondent more than you should be. Let's see some facts -
1. Telengana wanted to separate from SeemaAndhara (without going into the merit of the decision). That demand was more voilent than otherwise.
2. Telengana is not a small hill (like Gorkha in WB) or a small population whose demand (genuine/non-genuine) one can ignore (rather solve one way or the other) and move on. T is atleast 40% of land and population.
3. AP is not a sovereign entity that would have an army and used that army to pacify the population.
4. The game unfortunately was not to reconcile the two sides, but from SeemaAndhra side it was (discounting politicians, they were ba$tards always) to deny a division by using tools like assembly vote etc (or use its size and MPs for it not to matter) and from T side was to get the division done by getting an election dependent on its 17 MPs. Unfortunately, 2014 was that time, congress was that party for which those 18 seats matter a lot (country or AP or Telengana be damned).
Now the current Political scenario
5. It is easy to be dejected by BJP stance. People are heart broken for two main reasons - 1) SeemaAndhra people - Why did BJP support division when I am a staunch Namo supporter 2)BJP supporters- Why did BJP hand over 17 seats to cong and 25 seats to its B team.
6. The only thing I can say, Even without BJP support the division would have happened, and even then just between cong and BJP, Cong would have won more seats and votes than BJP in SA
7. Namo is not all powerful. No one can be in a party like BJP, where a dynasty does not rule by dictate. He still has detractors and he is enough of a gentleman and pragmatist to revolt or throw someone out if they do not agree with him
Future -
8. Both SA and T are going to progress.
9. Both being Telgu speaking (never mind the dialects), it will be easier for people on either side. I suspect SA may develop faster, minus the entitlement based politics. T has to be watched lest it falls into some kind KHAM politics.
10. Buy land in near the future SA capital, you will make more than you stand to loose in the T side. It will all come to pass in the next 10 years.
11. Best is Congress has shot itself. Killed the goose that lays golden egg. Soon these states will develop rythm where con if it wins in one, it will be loosing in another, so at best it will be sweeping 25 seats and not 42. Probably both parts may get rid of this abomination.
12. Cheer up, Both are part of India still, you dont need Visa to travel.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 21 Feb 2014 07:01

Kakkaji · Post by **Kakkaji** » 21 Feb 2014 07:26

The SA folks in Hyderabad must be walking on eggshells right now but in the end, I hope, they survive and thrive like the Gujaratis who stayed in Mumbai after Gujarat was separated from Maharashtra.

My humble advice to both SA and T folks - excessive celebration or excessive R&D could both lead to violence, and violence must be avoided at all costs at this time. Time will heal the wounds, and both states will prosper side-by-side.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 21 Feb 2014 07:51

^^Yes, I know. Despondence and all will pass with time. Continue to hope NM makes it to the PM chair in 2014. Unlike some others here, I do not believe he will get another chance - the dynasty will get rid of him one way or the other at first opportunity should they directly or indirectly retain power.

Nobody else in lotus (or outside it) has shown the verve, nerve and clarity to take on the dynasty head-on. IOW, all the others can be (and have been?) managed with the usual saam-daam-dand-bhed tools. It is now or never in more ways than one.

But BJP can occupy the opposition space in T, with an eye to the future.

If SA resurrects CBN and TDP, that would be the best political outcome after this messy divorce.

If CBN is elected as CM of SA then, shorn of his pet Hyderabad city, he would hopefully put his considerable administrative skills towards developing new Hyderabads in SA.

And T folks, after 5 years of misrule by INC+TRS, would hopefully elect BJP the next time.

Folks assuming both states will plogless etc assume there'll be a recognizable India and an NM in the future to help out with said progress. I doubt it. I see what is happening in kiev and surmise the next 5 yrs of a non-NDA sarkar will usher in color revolutions and insurgencies in our mainstream heartland - or our 'settled' areas (in packee-speak).

But there, there - there goes my despondence getting the better of me again...

5. It is easy to be dejected by BJP stance. People are heart broken for two main reasons - 1) SeemaAndhra people - Why did BJP support division when I am a staunch Namo supporter 2)BJP supporters- Why did BJP hand over 17 seats to cong and 25 seats to its B team.
6. The only thing I can say, Even without BJP support the division would have happened, and even then just between cong and BJP, Cong would have won more seats and votes than BJP in SA

I am in both categories in your point 5 saar. Double whammy onlee. And no, unlike you, I'm not so sanguine about prospects going forward. BJP should have, on a matter of federal principle held back the division for a few more months, denied some 20-30 seats to INC and its B-teams that are now sure to bump up their kitty (makes a difference of 40-60 seats between NDA and UPA tallies in the overall analysis, there goes the election) and done it the right way under a NDA sarkar. Anyway, crying over spilt milk. BTW, no, its not any monetary or property issues I have that make me grieve. After RTIing I couldn't afford to but any land or property in Hyd, such was the situ. Haven't also, since.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 Feb 2014 08:42

Hari Seldon, The vulnerability was always there with Art 3 which powers Delhi sarkar to divide and rule regardless of state assembly voice. The instability was Congress which gave a Radcliffe award redux for their own reasons. Had it been NDA at center, things might have been different. When the instabiliy met the vulnerability it was disaster Caesarean section birth of Telangana.
So the future course should be to remove the instability first and later seek to amend Art 3. The small states slogan should be renounced. Future other states should no be allowed to suffer. Let not Andhras be like the peasant in the Panchatantra tale of Brahman and the Tiger and allow more division.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 21 Feb 2014 08:46

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 21 Feb 2014 08:52

Rony wrote:

If rayalseema comes in, it will have impact upon Karnataka. There will be demand for Bellary to be given back to Rayalseema, Tunghabadra dam is in Bellary.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 Feb 2014 08:59

Hence we need to stop this foolish small states slogan.

SandeepA · Post by **SandeepA** » 21 Feb 2014 09:04

Rayalaseema demand is unlikely anytime soon. Jagan is too powerful there and he will have pan-SA ambitions. Yes, in 5-6 yrs time cant say

TKiran · Post by **TKiran** » 21 Feb 2014 09:06

IMHO, This division has seriously disrupted a whole mass of people to prosper. It is like a Olympic sprinter loosinf his leg when after all the years of preparation for a medal, the sprinter can still run with an artificial limb after a lot of hard work and motivation, but he would be defeated by a street kid.

I know a lot of people came to Hyderabad as Govt. Employees lived meagre lives but made Hyderabad Hindu majority from Razakaristan that truely it was. Even till 90, there was hardly any difference between Hyderabad and any other town in seemandhra except that we had to catch a bus to go from one relative's house to another. The education given primary importance by these Govt employees, andha
Ras were first to catch IT band wagon, not for developing IT sector in AP but to catch a flight to US to run away from poverty. Almost 80% of visas issued from US embassy in chennai was to Andhras in 90's. IT sector was developwd in Hyderabad and all the prosperity started flowing to Hyderabad, as the NRIs were very supportive of CBN. In fact nobody suspected Hyderabad would be snatched away like this, after a number of factors cumulativwly stimulating the growth of Hyderabad, that nobody bothered to develop other areas, as the thinking was, 'right now Hyderabad is the happening place, the others will catch up when the time comes.'

The first sign I got that something was going wrong was in 2007 when a european engg. Conglomerate delegation visted India for setting up mfg. Unit, AP, TN and GJ we were very optimistic that YSR gave better presentation and huge land was given near Shamshabad airport and Tax holiday was given 5 years more than TN and GJ, they chose GJ. The reason was that AP doesn't have engg. Base compared to TN and GJ. They set up IT and Design center I. Hyd. During my one on one talk during a dinner and drinks, they told me, that there is political instability in Hyderabad and that the andhra folks are not good Mechanical engr. But good only at white collar jobs acc. To their appointed agency which did feasibility study.

Also demographic attitudes is to look for greener pastures than hard core enterpreneurship. Only real estate is feeding Hyderabad economy apart from IT.

Now that Hyderabad is gone, there is very likely stoppage of AP progress story.Seemandhra doesnt have necessary ingeedients to be progressive again. Only possibility I see is like Kerala economy. Money from gelf (US) in case of seemandhra. Thats pretty much to it nothing else

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 21 Feb 2014 09:17

Hari Seldon wrote:After RTIing I couldn't afford to but any land or property in Hyd, such was the situ. Haven't also, since.

May be time to buy now? I predict the city is going to rise again especially if those who made it what it is a few years back do not leave.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 21 Feb 2014 09:23

Folks Andhra Pradesh is History. Now talk in terms of Seemandhra and Telangana. "Live long and Prosper".

Let cool heads restore peace and order now that inevitable has happened. Why it happened can be analysed later. Time is to dispel gloom and doom predictions. Both regions and the people have the capacity to rise up to the challenges and Rest of Bharatvarsha would help them.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 21 Feb 2014 09:35

Seemandhra doesnt have necessary ingeedients to be progressive again

I don't get this at all. fertile land all across coast. trade/manufacturing. massive agriculture. fundamentally rich business bases with high ambitions. what are you talking about? and large population base to be employed in various sectors. what more do you need?

SandeepA · Post by **SandeepA** » 21 Feb 2014 09:43

devesh wrote:
Seemandhra doesnt have necessary ingeedients to be progressive again
I don't get this at all. fertile land all across coast. trade/manufacturing. massive agriculture. fundamentally rich business bases with high ambitions. what are you talking about? and large population base to be employed in various sectors. what more do you need?

The answer is in TKiran's post itself

It is like a Olympic sprinter loosinf his leg when after all the years of preparation for a medal, the sprinter can still run with an artificial limb after a lot of hard work and motivation, but he would be defeated by a street kid.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 21 Feb 2014 12:52

Yesterday's CVoter-India Today stats explained in one image. I think only thing they are hyping up is YSRCP.

VenkataS · Post by **VenkataS** » 21 Feb 2014 13:19

devesh wrote:
Seemandhra doesnt have necessary ingeedients to be progressive again
I don't get this at all. fertile land all across coast. trade/manufacturing. massive agriculture. fundamentally rich business bases with high ambitions. what are you talking about? and large population base to be employed in various sectors. what more do you need?

Devesh - The economies of the future (as they are now) are not going to be based on fertile agricultural land. Agriculture is going to constitute a very tiny percentage of a successful state economy (For example, in the US the share of agriculture to the GDP is 1.2%, industry share is 19% and Services share is 80%). And the majority of the entrepreneurial talent in the Seema-Andhra region has in the past (over several decades) migrated to Hyderabad, Chennai, and Bangalore and there is no telling they will move back in the near future.

That means Seema-Andhra would need to attract investments in Services and Industrial sectors. Which cities in Seema Andhra have the infrastructure and top-flight human talent pool to attract large investments in those sectors. When those cities in Seema-Andhra are competing with Hyderabad, Bangalore, Chennai and Pune they are obviously going to lose out on most big ticket investments.

For a city to be attractive for investments, it needs decent infrastructure and top flight human talent.

With respect to infrastructure, none of the cities in Seema-Andhra can compete with other southern cities because none of them have international airports, high quality office space, assured power, decent number of star hotels and decent intra-city and inter city road networks. This means huge investments in infrastructure need to happen in any aspiring Seema-Andhra city which is highly unlikely in the near term because Seema-Andhra after losing the revenue from Hyderabad will start off with a huge revenue deficit.

With respect to top flight human talent being available, what city in Seema-Andhra can compete with Hyderabad (which has IIIT, IIT and ISB), Chennai (IIT, Anna University) or Bangalore (IISc, IIM). Plus these cities have a huge accumulated talent pool because of investments that were made over the last two decades.

Let us face it, it is going to be a hard struggle for the Seema-Andhra region for the next few decades at least.

yvijay · Post by **yvijay** » 21 Feb 2014 13:30

RSS directives behind BJP’s support to Telangana Bill in Parliament

"However it has been our longstanding ideological position that smaller states are good, and that this Bill cannot be allowed to hang fire for the next government to deal with," he added.

"Our support for Telangana has been more than three decades in the making," the RSS insider said. The instructions were passed on to the BJP at its Sunday meeting on the issue.

"About a couple of years ago, the RSS started the exercise of getting feedback from all its units everywhere on who was the BJP leader who could be projected as PM, (and) once the choice of Narendra Modi was made, the rest of the BJP had to fall in line," a senior office bearer of the party said.

"The first casualty of this was the alliance with the Janata Dal (United). When Nitish Kumar started making noises of withdrawing support, and warning statements that this might happen from L K Advani, it was the RSS which put its foot down, asking the BJP to 'let Nitish walk if he wants to'," the person said.

More recently, when the BJP and Narendra Modi started getting cosy with Chandrababu Naidu, the state unit in Andhra Pradesh virtually revolted, and the RSS' own leaders had a less-than favourable opinion of the proposed alliance.

The reason was simple: Naidu stood to gain more than the BJP in the arrangement, and all that the latter would get was the tag that Modi was no longer untouchable.

Read the whole article

VenkataS · Post by **VenkataS** » 21 Feb 2014 13:33

BTW I dislike the term Seema-Andhra. It feels like forced union of two disparate entities.

I would prefer any of the following:
Telugu Desam
Telugu Rashtram
Andhra
Vijayanagaram
Kakatiya Desam

Do you guys have any other suggestions.

wasu · Post by **wasu** » 21 Feb 2014 13:58

Ardha Telugu Rastram

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 21 Feb 2014 14:13

the only two city properly connected by air in Seema Andhra is Vizag. Vijayawada had a big rail tri-junction...could be a future hub of manufacturing. places like Nellore etc are educationally good but lacking in other aspects.

imo make vizag the capital and stick to it. SA has a huge number of NRIs. so some of that wealth can also return as investments.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 21 Feb 2014 14:31

Whole Kosta is fertile and expensive, so acquiring land either in Vizag is not cheap, so I wish:

1. Make Rajamahendravaram (Rajamundry) as administrative capital with assembly with twin HC benches and twin secretariats at Rajamundry and Kurnool.
2. Make Vizag, Vijayawada-Guntur, Nellore, Tirupathi and Kurnool as educational hubs with universities, premium educational institutes like AIIMS, IIT and IIMs. If SA or residual AP takes CBSE as syllabus, it can attract students from all over India. If possible SA should enter PMT, after this I bet all medical colleges will have 8-12% SA folk.
3. Make Vizag, Vijayawada and Tirupathi as health cities with promise of 25 acres of free land to any hospital who can establish a 500-1000 bed hospital.
3. Convert Nellore and Hindupur as satellite cities to Chennai and Bangalore.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 21 Feb 2014 15:18

If the survey report is correct BJP alliance with TDP (in a ratio of (9 & 8 seats) in T and 1/2 seats for BJP in SA means they will have a fighting chance to win some seats. BJP+TDP in T is about 36% (TRS 42%) while TDP will gain 3-4% of BJP votes in SA. I don't see why the RSS should oppose that.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 21 Feb 2014 15:25

Folks - a newbie question from me. In Nalagonda, Bhongir, Khammam regions, Communists have a significant vote share. What is the social base of the Communists? Which section(s) of the society votes for the Communists?

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 21 Feb 2014 15:39

What will be a festering reminder for "us" is how both central parties decided to join the loot and blackmail over "us" (ie on "us" Seemandhra people) fronted by Tvaadis using the fact that "we" face a dishearteningly huge revenue and infrastructure deficit (without Hyderabad and its industrial output painstaking built over 60 years by our taxes and investments) and that most of our SA politicos happen to have their private investments in Hyderabad - as expected by any political leader worth his salt.

The Tvaadi goons ablely fronting the congress govt in center (BJP was as usual satisfied with scraps thrown at them by congress) used "their" dominance in Hyderabad and threat of physical violence and usurpation of personal assets over our SA leaders to string along the common SA people with false promises and cajoling till the last moment that our interests will not be betrayed. Tragically this betrayal was pushed onto "us" by our own leaders (the MPs and MLAs of SA) - all of whom got their own personal assets and investments in Hyderabad blackmailed with threats of future Kabza (usurpation) by Tvaadi and Central goons.

So the common people are now left holding the empty bowl and facing atleast 7000 Crore annual deficit in our new state lacking basic financing for essential services(like Hospitals,Job prospects or educational facilities) in our ramshackle towns and cities.

Only now the people are realizing that they have been screwed from all sides - including from the sides which were supposed to safeguard our interests from going to the dogs, so whatever truth we perceived all along yet didn't vocalize in the interest of a common people and a common state (now proved to be a false hope) must be shouted aloud . However in light of our longterm interests our leaders must be forgiven if they gradually liquidate their interests in Hyderabad and anchor themselves to the new state - others who still want to play the double game(while getting blackmailed) should be crucified through successive electoral defeats.

I expect our political forces who are exclusivist and firmly drawing on Telugu SA regionalism (similar to SAD or Shiv Sena or MKs of TN) to rise out of this travesty- the Seema sub regional issues will be used to blackmail "us" as in Kosta and vice versa by the same Tvaadi-Central govt criminal nexus to suppress any legitimate demands for resources to the residual state from getting traction - they will continue using the old folded SA leaders already under "their" blackmailing thumbs . Telugu regionalism is the only antidote to the poison which will be further injected amongst "us" in the future in the name of sub regionalism.

Anyway long decades of misery lie ahead for "us" when above realignments play out their chaos. Yet ultimately "we" enterprising people of SA have to persist in doing what "we" do best - ie work smart , work hard use our linkages among ourselves and with "outsiders" to the hilt - this time taking full care that our enterprise (be it in pharma, education,agri business,Trade,Health care,petrochemical,real estate,transport,tourism and what not ) is adequately safeguarded backed by locational advantages and political dominance in our own backyards."We" must grow in power to beat back and teach lasting lessons when future attempts by those whose appetite would have been surely whetted by their smash and grab of the previous state and its wealthy capital and who would surely attempt to do it again in a few decades playing up internal dissimilarities among "us" in Seema and Kosta and uttara kosta.

Regarding capital,
I would prefer a distributed approach with ther capital functions scattered in two or more cities like in South Africa , Israel or Taiwan.

South Africa
Pretoria Administrative and Executive capital
Cape Town Legislative capital
Bloemfontein Judicial capital

Israel
Jerusalem Official capital
Tel aviv De facto seat of government

Taiwan
Nanking Official capital
Taipei De facto seat of government

Kurnool , Tirupati and Visakhapatnam should be the cities , if I am in a position to choose. Twin cities of Vijayavada-Guntur will continue to retain their defacto financial capital status with no additional official designation.

Main problem to above scheme is that trampling by central govt over us is not complete and the AP reorganisation bill doesn't leave the choice of capital to residual AP - but it is the center which will alott one based on recommendations by some central panel (basically implying that "they" will choose the capital and will extract another pound of flesh from "us" by playing one sub regional leader against another in SA).

Therefore Its high time for organisation (based on cadre) and leadership. First of the steps for which is that "we" must elect a leader decisively in the coming state elections. The opposition must then cooperate in the rebuilding of our ravaged state.