AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Rajagopal · Post by **Rajagopal** » 22 Feb 2014 02:00

matrimc wrote:
All T got is Hyderabad. As long as commoners are not forced to leave why should they not hitch their bogey to T train pulled by Hyderabad? A few more engines - Warangal and Nizamabad - may be added in the future (hopefully near future).

matrimc: That is the key here. Without Hyd, T means nothing. It is the service/IT sector that is the primary engine of Hyd. Large number of SA's(& other states) make their living on this sector. Despite fears and misgivings of many, KCR and the rest would not harass the SA/Non-T's *beyond a point* simply because driving away "Goddess Lakshmi" will leave one penniless.

Do watch for the mad scramble to buy property in the new SA capital, once it is announced. Interesting times ahead.

Ashok Sarraff · Post by **Ashok Sarraff** » 22 Feb 2014 02:07

What is the status of Hyd? Is it going to be a UT?

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 22 Feb 2014 02:21

Rajagopal wrote:Do watch for the mad scramble to buy property in the new SA capital, once it is announced. Interesting times ahead.

It has been happening already. Some of my extended family (from T) have been buying plots etc. in Vizag. An old friend was Vijayawada's VUDA (or whatever it is called) head honcho for a time. May be I will take his advise and invest in some good places in and around Vijayawada/Gunturu given the resourcefulness of the people and the food. Hopefully "they" will let a Telugu literature loving "TVadi" to establish roots in a place from where one branch of his SHQ's family comes.

Of course, SHQ's side have had plots and houses in Hyderabad. My sis's in-laws have had plots and houses in Hyderabad too.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 22 Feb 2014 02:38

See Vizag real estate. It is mad scramble. Things are already as beautiful and competitive as Hyderabad even about five years ago.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 22 Feb 2014 02:44

Follow where Robert Vadra is buying land. That will be the new capital

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 22 Feb 2014 02:46

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 22 Feb 2014 02:57

TRS Wary of Merger, Ready for Alliance

TRS chief K Chandrasekhar Rao is understood to be dodging the issue of merging his party with the Congress, giving the jitters to the latter’s Telangana leaders.

Though he had offered to merge the TRS with the Congress if the ruling party carved a separate State of Telangana out of AP, KCR now appears to be reluctant to keep his word for the simple reason that his stock is on the rise in Telangana after the Lok Sabha passed the T Bill. The Congress is, however, using all the tricks up its sleeve to bring him to heel. Party leader Digvijaya Singh, when he met KCR recently, tried his best to elicit his views on merger.

The TRS chief has of late been repeating only one thing to his party leaders — “we can take a call on merger only after the formation of T State.” A TRS leader told Express on condition of anonymity, “There may not be a merger. At the most, he might say yes to an alliance though he does not need it either.” As Telangana State is now more or less a reality, party workers too are reminding their chief of the “problems” the party would have if it merges with the Congress.

First, it will lose its identity and KCR would have to play second fiddle to Congress leaders just like Chiranjeevi. Second, he will have to allow several Congress candidates to contest from constituencies where he intends to have his men. Those who have been hoping to get party tickets from KCR had requested him to keep their interests in mind while dealing with the Congress. KCR, sources said, is also not in faovur of merger.

“KCR will take a call on merger or alliance at the time of elections,” a TRS source said. KCR is at the moment interested in a victory rally in Hyderabad in March first week. Congress leaders too are planning a rally this month-end.

BJP should ask TRS go with 12 to 4 with INC and the four that TRS should give are all the border seats with Seemandhra especially Khammam type seats.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 22 Feb 2014 04:07

ramana wrote:yvijay, Unlike what Naidu hopes its important that TRS does not join Congress for that will doom Telangana. TRS fought for it, took a lot of heat for it and they should be allowed to have an independent identity. Submerging into Congress will defeat the purpose of the fight.

Ramana garu,

The relationship between TRS and Sonia becomes clear in one incident.

KCR starts his fast (after getting the green signal from someone) and it enters its 11th day which happens to be Sonia's Birthday and she in a fit of benevolence characteristically projected onto the die-nasty by national media announces Telangana state formation via Chidu on December 9th 2009.

Why did KCR choose such an auspicious time window ending with Sonia's Birthday , to begin his fast which otherwise cant be significantly more than around a week due to TV media fatigue from continuous coverage setting in and the danger of a supposed "Fast onto death" turning into a normal humdrum issue in public mind...?

It it just a coincidence ?
Are there such unexpected coincidences in politics ?

In light of this umbilical relationship evident between KCR and Sonia during the Fast and the subsequent Telangana declaration drama , if the BJP currently allies with TRS now does it mean BJP is the final refuge for Sonia's Interests represented by KCR ?

Just as an example sample below statement by KCR posted recently by Gandharva garu.

Mon, 27 Dec 2010 08:33:36 GMT
TRS chief ready to wash Sonia's feet
Hyderabad: Telangana Rashtra Samithi chief K. Chandrasekhara Rao on Sunday said that he is ready to merge his party with the Congress if a separate Telangana state is formed. Rao also said that he would worship Congress President Sonia Gandhi if she initiated the process of creating the state

http://news.in.msn.com/national/article ... id=4741736

Why did Nancy Powell yesterday(I.e on the auspicious occasion of T bill getting passed by parliament) make a courtesy call going all the way till WB and not to meet Mamta but to meet MK Narayanan cooling his heels as WB governor (who is held by many as the cheif architect behind congress Telangana declaration in 2009) ?

http://zeenews.india.com/news/west-beng ... 13189.html

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 22 Feb 2014 04:16

Lilo, She is trying to salvage business contracts in last days of UPA. Recall MKN was NSA and chief interlocutor for the nuke deal.

I think he had a some thing to do with YSR par lok gathi.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 22 Feb 2014 04:27

Ramana garu,

A news report from that time..

Headline:Why was Narayanan ousted?
NEW DELHI: The abrupt ouster of M K Narayanan from the powerful post of National Security Adviser has, it seems, more to it than just the sharp differences which emerged during his day-to-day functioning with Union Home Minister P Chidambaram.

There are three reasons to which sources attribute Narayan’s being shunted out to West Bengal as Governor.

The first is that he goofed up on the Telangana issue, misreading the spread of the agitation and drawing Chidambaram to commit a blunder by announcing initiation of the process for the formation of Telangana. The sources said Narayanan relied a bit too much on the judgement of a senior IB man who was sent from New Delhi to AP to gauge the situation, as analysis later revealed that the agitation could have been dealt with at the state level despite TRS chief K Chandrasekhara Rao’s fast unto death....

http://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/ ... 224159.ece

What ever the above artecal is trying to pull , MKN was in the thick of the things during T announcement.

Kakkaji · Post by **Kakkaji** » 22 Feb 2014 07:11

Some more gratuitous, unsolicited advice (after all, my name is Kakkaji

) for the SA-BRFites:

I understand that you are feeling hurt, aggrieved, despondent, and rebellious. However, I see silver linings in these dark clouds for SA.

I cannot help but think about the parallels with the division of Bombay state into Maharashtra and Gujarat.

The loss of Mumbai city was perhaps as hurtful to Gujaratis as the loss of Hyderabad is to SA-ites. Of course Mumbai was far beyond the borders of Gujarat, just as Hyderabad is from SA, so no claim on the city was geographically tenable.

Gujarat had no cities comparable with Mumbai. Ahmedabad even today has only a quasi-international airport. Gujarat had no major seaports (Kandla and Hazira were built much later). Agriculturally, Gujarat was arid, and industrially way behind Maharashtra.

In comparison, SA has a major seaport (Vizag), and fertile land. It is much better situated to prosper than Gujarat was at the time of separation.

VenkataS wrote that agriculture has no relevance for modern economy which is built on services such as IT. I disagree. Gujarat under NaMo over the last 10 years has shown that investment and rapid growth in agriculture leads to widespread rural prosperity, which is very important to remove poverty in the Indian context. Manufacturing also, in the Indian context, is not a step backward but a step forward in bringing a whole lot of people into the modern economy and out of poverty.

With fertile land, a good port, proximity to offshore gas fields, and enterprising people, I think SA is well-placed to become an agricultural and industrial powerhouse. All that is needed is for SA-ites to shake off the 'Mohini' of Hyderabad IT and real estate, and find NaMo style focused leadership.

What I am apprehensive about is that SA-ites, in their anger and dejection, elect a crook like Jagan to CM-ship, who will only loot and waste valuable time. Now CBN is not NaMo, but I understand he is also development oriented. So I don't understand why SA-ites are giving him the short end of the stick.

When Bihar/ Jharkhand were separated, it was JH that was supposed to prosper and Bihar was supposed to get poorer. However, good leadership in Bihar over the last few years, and bad leadership in JH, have resulted in just the opposite. Same way, I think with good leadership, SA can prosper even more than Telangana.

In summary, I don't mind SA-ites being mad at both Cong and BJP, but please vote for TDP instead of YSRC.

JMHO

bhavani · Post by **bhavani** » 22 Feb 2014 07:49

Kakkaji,

I think these feelings of betrayal etc have been simmering down below for some time, In fact if you see see the recent actions of Jayalalitha in Tamil Nadu, while The Main stream media is projecting it as a political gambit, but it is also a middle finger to the central government and the Delhi power center.

The demand for a separate state is an outburst of the same discontent which is about everything from unequal coverage in media to enough representation in Central Politics. For example this below article about ANR's death is also a classic example of that

The south is just a curiosity to the national media, Rajinikanth and his stunts, Kathakali dance, the lungi, 150 Lok Sabha seats and stories for Salman Khan's movies.
http://deccan-journal.com/node/1

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 22 Feb 2014 07:54

Completely OT:
nageshksji,
Question for you in language thread

chandrasekhar.m · Post by **chandrasekhar.m** » 22 Feb 2014 08:01

Rajagopal wrote:
matrimc wrote:
All T got is Hyderabad. As long as commoners are not forced to leave why should they not hitch their bogey to T train pulled by Hyderabad? A few more engines - Warangal and Nizamabad - may be added in the future (hopefully near future).
matrimc: That is the key here. Without Hyd, T means nothing. It is the service/IT sector that is the primary engine of Hyd. Large number of SA's(& other states) make their living on this sector. Despite fears and misgivings of many, KCR and the rest would not harass the SA/Non-T's *beyond a point* simply because driving away "Goddess Lakshmi" will leave one penniless.

Do watch for the mad scramble to buy property in the new SA capital, once it is announced. Interesting times ahead.

Rajagopal, matrimc and other saars, please don't take this negatively.
But, before the thread gets locked by ramana saar, can anyone explain why KCR and the rest think they can harass a group of people upto a point? Does the constitution or any law provide definition of such groups and the degree(s) of justifiable harassment? Why is there a fear of a group of people being forced to leave? Is the answer "this is India onlee"?

Are there government rules which justify who can be forced to leave? Or is it upto KCR and every two-bit strongman to define such groups and rules as per his feelings? Are there leaders with similar thoughts in the Rayalaseema and Coastal Andhra areas too? However much one may have wanted or opposed the division, are such thoughts considered OK in these times? Isn't anyone irrespective of which side they support, condemning such people?

I was not following the forum in between for a few years. If this has been discussed before, I will be satisfied to go read that, if someone can point the relevant pages/posts in threads. I can go start reading this thread from the start but will take a lot of time. I will wait and see if someone gives me pointers.

Dasari · Post by **Dasari** » 22 Feb 2014 08:51

Kakkaji wrote:Some more gratuitous, unsolicited advice (after all, my name is Kakkaji ) for the SA-BRFites:

I understand that you are feeling hurt, aggrieved, despondent, and rebellious. However, I see silver linings in these dark clouds for SA.

I cannot help but think about the parallels with the division of Bombay state into Maharashtra and Gujarat.

The loss of Mumbai city was perhaps as hurtful to Gujaratis as the loss of Hyderabad is to SA-ites. Of course Mumbai was far beyond the borders of Gujarat, just as Hyderabad is from SA, so no claim on the city was geographically tenable.

Gujarat had no cities comparable with Mumbai. Ahmedabad even today has only a quasi-international airport. Gujarat had no major seaports (Kandla and Hazira were built much later). Agriculturally, Gujarat was arid, and industrially way behind Maharashtra.

In comparison, SA has a major seaport (Vizag), and fertile land. It is much better situated to prosper than Gujarat was at the time of separation.

VenkataS wrote that agriculture has no relevance for modern economy which is built on services such as IT. I disagree. Gujarat under NaMo over the last 10 years has shown that investment and rapid growth in agriculture leads to widespread rural prosperity, which is very important to remove poverty in the Indian context. Manufacturing also, in the Indian context, is not a step backward but a step forward in bringing a whole lot of people into the modern economy and out of poverty.

With fertile land, a good port, proximity to offshore gas fields, and enterprising people, I think SA is well-placed to become an agricultural and industrial powerhouse. All that is needed is for SA-ites to shake off the 'Mohini' of Hyderabad IT and real estate, and find NaMo style focused leadership.

What I am apprehensive about is that SA-ites, in their anger and dejection, elect a crook like Jagan to CM-ship, who will only loot and waste valuable time. Now CBN is not NaMo, but I understand he is also development oriented. So I don't understand why SA-ites are giving him the short end of the stick.

When Bihar/ Jharkhand were separated, it was JH that was supposed to prosper and Bihar was supposed to get poorer. However, good leadership in Bihar over the last few years, and bad leadership in JH, have resulted in just the opposite. Same way, I think with good leadership, SA can prosper even more than Telangana.

In summary, I don't mind SA-ites being mad at both Cong and BJP, but please vote for TDP instead of YSRC.

JMHO

You are completely off. Hyderabad was the capital of AP for 60 years in independent India. It was not an arrangement made by some imperial powers. It was created after a long struggle by leaders who sacrificed their lives - not by opportunistic politicians to win few seats. In any case, it is not the division that made the people of SA dejected and completely alienated from the country. It is the process of division and how Congress-BJP colluded to rush the process two months before election, one day before the last parliament session, completely ignoring the basic tenets of fairness to SA. Especially when BJP became an accomplice, people lost complete faith in democracy. There may not be repercussions to national integrity immediately but make no mistake SA a new fault line across south and north was created and its impact would be felt at an opportune time.

bhavani · Post by **bhavani** » 22 Feb 2014 09:07

Andhra Students have lost the most because of this split. There is a lot of confusion with regard to the home state quota factor. The students fear that post bifurcation, they would lose the quota, as they will come under another State.

At present 80 per cent of the PG and Ph.D students in University of Hyderabad (Central University) were from the Andhra region.“It is surprising the government had set up three Central Universities in Hyderabad and not one in any other region. Medical students, especially PGs, would suffer as all super speciality courses are taught in Hyderabad region only,”

http://deccan-journal.com/content/seema ... -uncertain

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 22 Feb 2014 09:39

It is exactly what I also felt Dasari sir. The anger is more towards BJP because BJP divided 3 states with Assembly acceptance and always sold the point how well and fairly did the process was done. NM also repeatedly said that. Yet they disregarded the same principle when it comes to this division. The CBN and NM alleance was on the cards for few months and NM seriously tired to rope in TDP even during his Hyd visit. The manner in all this was done in LS and BJP in Sushma supporting it with not even a single one available to speak for them left many Telugu people dejected. Non Telugu people like Chidambaram, Moily, Shide, Digvijay and all were deciding Telugu people, all the ministers are cheating them after being sold themselves to mafia queen and supposed good people like AJ and NM even allowed this kind of treatment.

To me the rest of India just lost moral right to decide how and what Telugu people should feel and can not now lecture on nation etc to six and half crores people. TN can now give a damn to Delhi and release Rajiv killers. They are doing right thing. When mafia does not want to kill Muslim terrorists why JJ want to keep Tamil Terrorist in jail.

It pains me to know RSS/BJP with which I have actively involved gave in this kind of treatment of Telugu people.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 22 Feb 2014 10:09

Dasari wrote: You are completely off. Hyderabad was the capital of AP for 60 years in independent India. It was not an arrangement made by some imperial powers. It was created after a long struggle by leaders who sacrificed their lives - not by opportunistic politicians to win few seats. In any case, it is not the division that made the people of SA dejected and completely alienated from the country. It is the process of division and how Congress-BJP colluded to rush the process two months before election, one day before the last parliament session, completely ignoring the basic tenets of fairness to SA. Especially when BJP became an accomplice, people lost complete faith in democracy. There may not be repercussions to national integrity immediately but make no mistake SA a new fault line across south and north was created and its impact would be felt at an opportune time.

+1. The way they created Telangana felt like being kicked in the gut, with open match fixing between the ruling and opposition party. Twitter is ablaze with hatred for India, and how India betrayed Telugus. But it was not India, although I realise we elected the swine who betrayed SeemaAndhra. No good will come of this monumental piece of stupidity, either for Andhra or for India.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 22 Feb 2014 10:17

Narayana Rao wrote: It pains me to know RSS/BJP with which I have actively involved gave in this kind of treatment of Telugu people.

+1 Narayana Rao-ji,
Since they screwed SeemaAndhra, I have not found it in my heart to campaign for BJP. I had negotiated leave with my university, was supposed to return yesterday to India to campaign for NaMo, and had made plans to campaign for the next two months in Karnataka and TN. But after the SeemaAndhra screw up, I cancelled out my plans and have returned to my work. Not sure if I want to campaign for NaMo or even vote. Maybe I will feel better in time, but for now, I am too bitter. I can only imagine how you, Dasari-ji, and other SeemaAndhra people must be feeling. I genuinely apologise, as someone associated with BJP, for the dastardly deed done by BJP in the dark.

member_28397 · Post by **member_28397** » 22 Feb 2014 10:37

nageshks wrote:
Narayana Rao wrote: It pains me to know RSS/BJP with which I have actively involved gave in this kind of treatment of Telugu people.
+1 Narayana Rao-ji,
Since they screwed SeemaAndhra, I have not found it in my heart to campaign for BJP. I had negotiated leave with my university, was supposed to return yesterday to India to campaign for NaMo, and had made plans to campaign for the next two months in Karnataka and TN. But after the SeemaAndhra screw up, I cancelled out my plans and have returned to my work. Not sure if I want to campaign for NaMo or even vote. Maybe I will feel better in time, but for now, I am too bitter. I can only imagine how you, Dasari-ji, and other SeemaAndhra people must be feeling. I genuinely apologise, as someone associated with BJP, for the dastardly deed done by BJP in the dark.

+1 Saar z for finally taking up a stance, BJP Congress same same, Modi RaGa no difference,
But one question why would you were willing to campaign in Karnataka and TN and not in your SA?

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 22 Feb 2014 10:47

MaharathiArjun wrote: +1 Saar z for finally taking up a stance, BJP Congress same same, Modi RaGa no difference,
But one question why would you were willing to campaign in Karnataka and TN and not in your SA?

Because I am not from SA.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 22 Feb 2014 10:48

Narayana Rao wrote:It is exactly what I also felt Dasari sir. The anger is more towards BJP because BJP divided 3 states with Assembly acceptance and always sold the point how well and fairly did the process was done. NM also repeatedly said that. Yet they disregarded the same principle when it comes to this division. The CBN and NM alleance was on the cards for few months and NM seriously tired to rope in TDP even during his Hyd visit. The manner in all this was done in LS and BJP in Sushma supporting it with not even a single one available to speak for them left many Telugu people dejected. Non Telugu people like Chidambaram, Moily, Shide, Digvijay and all were deciding Telugu people, all the ministers are cheating them after being sold themselves to mafia queen and supposed good people like AJ and NM even allowed this kind of treatment.

To me the rest of India just lost moral right to decide how and what Telugu people should feel and can not now lecture on nation etc to six and half crores people. TN can now give a damn to Delhi and release Rajiv killers. They are doing right thing. When mafia does not want to kill Muslim terrorists why JJ want to keep Tamil Terrorist in jail.

It pains me to know RSS/BJP with which I have actively involved gave in this kind of treatment of Telugu people.

Fair arguments sir. With one year of help that PM is touting, Seemandhra is good for a year. From next year, Seemandhra will be in technical default with 17K crore deficit/year and 60% loan burden with many other burdens yet-to-tabulated.

At 17K rate with some minimal growth, AP will have 3-lakh loan burden even if AP reduces deficit in 10 years.

Ananthapur requires like 2k-3K crore to sustain as it is 70% deficit district every year. That means healthy districts needs to produce like Super extreme and efficient economies.

member_28397 · Post by **member_28397** » 22 Feb 2014 10:55

nageshks wrote:
MaharathiArjun wrote: +1 Saar z for finally taking up a stance, BJP Congress same same, Modi RaGa no difference,
But one question why would you were willing to campaign in Karnataka and TN and not in your SA?
Because I am not from SA.

M wid u only Kejriwal for PM and President and Supremo of Supreme Court, AAP is the only alternate. CONgress divides people, BJP divides state. We need to divide country

.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 22 Feb 2014 10:57

MaharathiArjun wrote: M wid u only Kejriwal for PM and President and Supremo of Supreme Court, AAP is the only alternate. CONgress divides people, BJP divides state. We need to divide country .

Please do not be silly. I have no intention of supporting AAP or Kejriwal.

member_28397 · Post by **member_28397** » 22 Feb 2014 11:23

Deleting

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 22 Feb 2014 11:32

Serious financial conditions which are now to follow will create anger etc quite soon which people Jagan etc are going to exploit to the hilt. I only hope the bitterness will not lead to anything more drastic. But as time progresses I am less hopeful because we know how cheating and evil people like Jagan are and they are the only ones who are left standing for united AP in the end for whatever their evil reasons. They are completely sold out to anti national forces and will lead the telugu people in the same paath.

But which nation is that is the question many telugu people ask? When Telangana which does not want to be part of AP can be cut the rest of AP can also get cut from India by the same logic. Lahori logic works for all kinds of crazy arguments and once you accept one such argument is correct other such arguments are also correct. Right?

member_28397 · Post by **member_28397** » 22 Feb 2014 11:42

Narayana Rao wrote:Serious financial conditions which are now to follow will create anger etc quite soon which people Jagan etc are going to exploit to the hilt. I only hope the bitterness will not lead to anything more drastic. But as time progresses I am less hopeful because we know how cheating and evil people like Jagan are and they are the only ones who are left standing for united AP in the end for whatever their evil reasons. They are completely sold out to anti national forces and will lead the telugu people in the same paath.

But which nation is that is the question many telugu people ask? When Telangana which does not want to be part of AP can be cut the rest of AP can also get cut from India by the same logic. Lahori logic works for all kinds of crazy arguments and once you accept one such argument is correct other such arguments are also correct. Right?

+1000 sir z, in the words of Great Churchil It is no more a single country than the equator.

India is long suffering from higher casts and fanatic Hindus and they are ruling on dalit and peacefull minorites for long. India needs to be divided immediately. I respect your view of separate nation of Telugu people. It was a mistake of Patel to do so called police action on state of Hydrabad, What so called India needs is separate nations.

chandrasekhar.m · Post by **chandrasekhar.m** » 22 Feb 2014 12:09

MaharathiArjun wrote:
nageshks wrote: MaharathiArjun >> M wid u only Kejriwal for PM and President and Supremo of Supreme Court, AAP is the only alternate. CONgress divides people, BJP divides state. We need to divide country

Please do not be silly. I have no intention of supporting AAP or Kejriwal.
sir z what about Turd Front, why didnt third front get dedicated people like ourselves. We would bring Turd front into Goberment with the outside support of CONs and then Saint Farziwal will rule us for 49 days after throwing all FDI and MNCs out of India some frustrated #AAPtards after losing their job will cut his tounge, Mayawati till someone shoot her then Mulla Mulayam will resign after he found involved in ravaging constitution and putting a finger into US President Clinton's arse. Then Mamta will come and open all borders and create a secure madarassa environment all over Bharat then some Godse will shoot her too and she will become another Gandu, Bongs will remember her as mother of bongal until all get converted. Then Amma will come and create Tamil Elam nation . Finally around end of term of Turd Front. republic of India will be a history, then we will realize our dream of Telugu Nation hell with India.

Mods I will delete it soon please dont Ban me I just support SA people only.

^^Maybe it is time to lock this thread.
MaharathiArjun saar, what is the point of writing stuff like above that is condescending to the people of the state that was divided and mocking others who are appalled at how it was done? We are finding fault with how ruling and opposition parties decided to divide without addressing our grievances. And we are also criticising the ugly way in which the actual legislative process was conducted. It was certainly not in the spirit of the Constitution, even if it followed its letter.

Land does not make a nation, its people do, said a famous Telugu writer Gurajada Apparao. Do you really expect the people of a state to shut up and meekly accept it when a committee of BJP, Congress leaders and assorted yes-men from elsewhere split up that state without addressing the concerns of the people of that state? People accepted this division was going to happen, and I guess it is a good thing. When a large percentage of the people want a separate state, it has to be done. I don't really worry that this division increases MIM's influence or opens up a new faultline and weakens the national integrity. But the precedent set by the way it was done is not healthy for the nation. I repeat what I quoted earlier that a nation is not its land, but its people. Affect the psyche of the people through dramas like this, and the nation is affected in the long run. I don't believe the leaders who created this nation would have ever imagined their children would go about dividing states willy-nilly in this manner.

Some of the AP folks are talking about seceding. Those folks are venting their anger. I am not sure if they should not, but I am sure there is no need to rub salt in their wounds.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 22 Feb 2014 12:12

I am not saying we are not a nation etc but saying we are doing evil and stupid things for political gains and with this nation will pay heavily. for example just see this press report http://freepressjournal.in/venky-lets-o ... gana-deal/

if this is true, then this is the most stupid thing a politico like Venkayya did.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 22 Feb 2014 12:28

Narayana Rao wrote:I am not saying we are not a nation etc but saying we are doing evil and stupid things for political gains and with this nation will pay heavily. for example just see this press report http://freepressjournal.in/venky-lets-o ... gana-deal/

if this is true, then this is the most stupid thing a politico like Venkayya did.

So it is not D4 but D420, many more than 4. So both BJP and Congress are preventing smaller/regional parties forming alliance outside of the two to stake claim on forming Government. Oligarchical government is dangerous.

Rajagopal · Post by **Rajagopal** » 22 Feb 2014 16:02

chandrasekhar.m wrote:
Rajagopal wrote: Rajagopal, matrimc and other saars, please don't take this negatively.
But, before the thread gets locked by ramana saar, can anyone explain why KCR and the rest think they can harass a group of people upto a point? Does the constitution or any law provide definition of such groups and the degree(s) of justifiable harassment? Why is there a fear of a group of people being forced to leave? Is the answer "this is India onlee"? Are there government rules which justify who can be forced to leave? Or is it upto KCR and every two-bit strongman to define such groups and rules as per his feelings? Are there leaders with similar thoughts in the Rayalaseema and Coastal Andhra areas too? However much one may have wanted or opposed the division, are such thoughts considered OK in these times? Isn't anyone irrespective of which side they support, condemning such people?

I was not following the forum in between for a few years. If this has been discussed before, I will be satisfied to go read that, if someone can point the relevant pages/posts in threads. I can go start reading this thread from the start but will take a lot of time. I will wait and see if someone gives me pointers.

chandrasekhar.m: This is what i meant.

*up-to a point*: The SA's will be walking on the eggshells for the next couple of months. Being surrounded by "victorious forces" there will be many open changes in HYD area proclaiming T struggle, replacement of "SA culture" boards, banners, signs etc. They would also be "encouraged" to identify themselves as telanganites, fly the pink flag, raise and speak T lingo, directives to movie industry to show T culture in only positive light etc. Non-telanganites would play along as they can swallow the hurt up-to a point.

*Beyond a point*. This is the line which the T forces should not attempt to cross. This would be taking action on the Police, administrative and media forces which identified with the SA agitation, making wholesale changes in the bureaucratic and police forces, passing laws with quotas for jobs, education seats, political seats for only Telangana born people.

As much as you and i wish, the truth is "government rules" cannot baby sit each and every department and official.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 22 Feb 2014 16:38

ShyamSP wrote: Fair arguments sir. With one year of help that PM is touting, Seemandhra is good for a year. From next year, Seemandhra will be in technical default with 17K crore deficit/year and 60% loan burden with many other burdens yet-to-tabulated.

At 17K rate with some minimal growth, AP will have 3-lakh loan burden even if AP reduces deficit in 10 years.

Ananthapur requires like 2k-3K crore to sustain as it is 70% deficit district every year. That means healthy districts needs to produce like Super extreme and efficient economies.

If Ananthapur is getting something it doesn't deserve - eye demand Adilabad should get something first - else NaMo should forget the support of Telangana.

NaMo should immediately speak about a special package to Anantapur in his speeches at least before the 3 months before election, although "they" don't deserve a singal rupee from any package

. In the bustling city of Hindupur even the dutty SAs kids roaming around chaddiless are decked in silver and gold

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 22 Feb 2014 17:02

Regarding Anantapur, I have a few suggestions:
1. Now a days, all Kanchi sarees are just brands, but most of them are weaved around Dharmavaram only. Anyhow India is importing most of silk from China, better to develop weaving industry around Hindupur-Dharmavaram-Anantapur belt, I bet it can provide 1-2 lakh employment (both direct and indirect). Just give GRPS-instaslled subsidized jari making machines (presently they are importing it from Surat and China) and GRPS-instaslled subsidized weaving machines (so that they are not moved out of dist/state) with 2-3 polytechnic and 1 engineering college solely dedicated for textile industry.
2. Do you know many jeans that comes to market are made in Bellary, Karnataka, which is as arid and hot as Anantapur. Previously, people from Rayadurgam were taking cut-clothes from Bellary and tailored it and send back it to Bellary. Now a days, people of Rayadurgam too are manufacturing ready-made clothes. So its highly possible to develop garment industry around Rayadurgam and Kalyanadurgam. Even, Pamidi (near Gooty) has their own garment/jeans industry.
3. For arid Anantapur, just give encouragement to horticulture (without corruption/diversion), I bet within a decade or two, it can become citrus growing hub.

Small nitpick: Do you know, the cost of sewing one pant is around Rs. 20-30 only, but they get cut clothes, zips, threads and buttons. Usually an experienced person can stitch 20 pants per day. Usually, the manufacture gives 100-200 pieces worth of raw materials to households and collects them after 1-2 days. Its a very distributed model. Of course, some brands do all their work in their premises.

Instead of wasteful NREGA, if we can develop a suitable model, I bet we can employ millions of Indians in garments, shoe stitching and other industries. It consumes, scant natural resources, and make people self employed, rather than beggars. To happen this, we need a true statesmen as our political head.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 22 Feb 2014 19:51

BJP match fixing with congress - Sonia - Jagan Reddy, Sushma - Gali Janarthan Reddy

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 22 Feb 2014 19:51

from twitter:

>>Bala ‏@Bala406 5m
CBN made an interesting comment today:Only A guy with Administrative capabilities understand the plights of SA! Read btw lines!!

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 22 Feb 2014 20:20

Rony wrote:BJP match fixing with congress - Sonia - Jagan Reddy, Sushma - Gali Janarthan Reddy

Can someone translate?

I heard SS got 100 crore gift for her services?

AjitK · Post by **AjitK** » 22 Feb 2014 20:27

I'm not sure whether this has been posted earlier. Jaitley has many friends in the media. Fwiw:

How Jaitley made sure BJP, Modi will still gain from Telangana

Arun Jaitley privately held the view that the contentious Telangana baggage need not spoil their prospective government’s honeymoon. In any case, the party had in the past stated that they would create Telangana in 100 days of their coming to power. Though Advani held that the NDA should come to power and give Telangana statehood in style, other leaders including Sushma Swaraj, Rajnath Singh and Narendra Modi came to subscribe to Jaitley's original view.
...

“Justice for Seeamndhra people” may or may not have been achieved, but the BJP in the Upper House at least got something to show to TDP chief Chandrababu Naidu and impress upon him that the BJP should not be treated as untouchable. Party leaders believe that with Modi’s charisma and with the BJP’s pitch for a package for Seemandhra, the PM candidate could get the required add-on punch to help take on YSR Congress.

Kakkaji · Post by **Kakkaji** » 22 Feb 2014 20:30

I vote for kmaraoind as the CM of SA.

He has the positive spirit and ideas.

But seriously folks. 'India' did not do anything to you. It is the people you, as Indians, elected as your representatives that screwed you.

Fixing it means electing the right people the next time. So please step out of the D&G. The election is only 2 months away. Elect CBN as your CM and Modi as PM. You will see the difference in fortunes of SA, and in rest of India.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 22 Feb 2014 20:49

Electing cbn as cm may be good. But what NM has be elected by Telugu people? His signal is he does not need these 25 seats. Right? So why AP vote for bjp?

sudarshan · Post by **sudarshan** » 22 Feb 2014 21:01

Because NaMo is about a development vision and progress for all, maybe? There are other considerations than "united AP," maybe?

I'm talking about the ideal case, of course. Probably the people of AP would now vote on this single agenda of "NaMo killed united AP." Hope that sense of hurt dies down sometime soon.