Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Jan 04, 2014

[Lilo]

marshallah! bhat a motivational video from Mitranwali, Punjab province.

Ho raha Bakistan nirman.



Pakistan music industry is way ahead of Indian music industry. India may have better musical equipment but Pakistan has way better singers.

The phakthoon baccha singing to his assorted Yaara Talibs is more akin to their bacchabazi nights, onlee this is the halal version .

He sings of their mardangi and ghairat with talebs themselves on the stage and in the crowd.
The expectation of the imminent blasts in the gathering onlee looks too palpable for all unprepared munnas to lift up their loose shalwars and make a run for it before this song gets over

[Anujan]

East Pakistan playing west Pakistan? Why didn't they invite northwest Pakistan too?

[SSridhar]

seriously though - has LeT fragmented significantly? the consensus seems to be that 26/11 was launched more to keep LeT together in the strategic toolkit
if enough cells/groupings have left to form other units, where does that leave the kashmir front?

It is difficult to say how much LeT has fragmented, but certainly it lost cadres to the rival organization(s). Then, it tried to embed itself within the TTP itself in order to protect its strength from further erosion but the sense of disquiet among the 'bad Taliban' because of the proximity of the LeT to the PA put paid to that too largely. In some places, like Kunar, where it had always had a big presence, they continue to thrive. They also go with the Haqqanis as the attacks on Indian Emnbassy and other interests showed.

[sum]

If true, more powers to the faithfools:

Top IM men have joined al-Qaeda, fighting in Af-Pak: NIA chargesheet

Top Indian Mujahideen (IM) leaders have joined al-Qaeda and are “fighting in Afghanistan-Pakistan border” and Afghanistan, the National Investigation Agency (NIA) has claimed. Based on Internet chats among alleged leaders of the IM, the NIA has said that “one IM operative Bada Sajid is fighting in Afghanistan-Pakistan border region” and “was also wounded in one of the skirmishes”.

The claims are part of the supplementary chargesheet filed by the NIA against the alleged co-founder of the IM Yasin Bhatkal, his aide Asadullah Akhtar, and two other alleged IM members in a special court in Delhi.

According to the chargesheet, the IM is now an al-Qaeda affiliate whose members are trained by the global terror network, and who have been instructed to focus on Myanmar and to “kidnap Jews in India”.

The chargesheet says that at a meeting in Dubai five years ago, the IM leadership decided to cut ties with Pakistan’s ISI, and join the al-Qaeda.

“Investigations revealed that during the stay of the accused (Akhtar) in Dubai (in 2008-09), Iqbal Bhatkal was elected as the leader of Indian Mujahideen and it was decided to sever the association with ISI as soon as possible, and shift towards the Al Qaida, since everyone unanimously felt that the ISI was against the true Jihadi ideology,” says the chargesheet.

“…Senior IM operatives… were not very happy with the ISI’s control on their activities and wanted to intensify their jihad… against India with the assistance of global terrorist organisations like the Al Qaida and the Taliban. The passion for fighting the NATO forces in Af-Pak region by becoming part of Al Qaida is also motivating the IM operatives based in Pakistan who internally want to maintain a distance from ISI. One IM operative Bada Sajid is learnt to be fighting in Afghanistan-Pakistan border region from the chat. He was also wounded in one of the skirmishes.”

Internet chats, the NIA says, have “established… that Riyaz Bhatkal travelled to the tribal belts… for establishing contacts with Al Qaida. After the meeting which was very fruitful, the Al Qaida gave specific tasks to the IM for execution and also agreed to train their cadres in terrorist activities”.

[SSridhar]

If true, more powers to the faithfools:

Top IM men have joined al-Qaeda, fighting in Af-Pak: NIA chargesheet

But, they will come back to create more chaos in India. We do not want to slide into that situation.

[Peregrine]

If true, more powers to the faithfools:
Top IM men have joined al-Qaeda, fighting in Af-Pak: NIA chargesheet

But, they will come back to create more chaos in India. We do not want to slide into that situation.

SSridhar Ji :

Indian will slide into that situation since the IM Men and other Non-State Actors from the Land of the Pure and Home of the Terrorists will have Free Access to Enter India as the Congress in General and Manya Shree Man Mohan Singh Ji - ably supported by MSA & Ilk - are most anxious to give Visa Free Entry to the Terrorists.

Cheers

[sum]

If true, more powers to the faithfools:

Top IM men have joined al-Qaeda, fighting in Af-Pak: NIA chargesheet

But, they will come back to create more chaos in India. We do not want to slide into that situation.

I was thinking that since India will never do anything to touch these vermin residing in TSP, atleast let me get themselves hallaled by squaring off against the Afghans or Amrikans.

Less headache for us

[Dilbu]

Pakistan military will strike terror groups’ HQ, if required: Interior Minister
Only if it is really required, mind you.

[Lalmohan]

all over the world the hard core jihadis are heading for syria or afghania
personally, i think let them go, hell - lets buy them tickets
the more of them that embrace the full objective of martyrdom over there, the better for the rest of the world

[shiv]

all over the world the hard core jihadis are heading for syria or afghania
personally, i think let them go, hell - lets buy them tickets
the more of them that embrace the full objective of martyrdom over there, the better for the rest of the world

To me this looks like a replay of Afganistan before 9-11.

9-11, Chechnya, Philippines terror etc occurred simply because a whole bunch of jihadis who were trained for India were getting eliminated and they headed out.

The US came in and tried to mess up things a bit and now the US is going. India of course will have to be eternally vigilant but I doubt if the most hardened Al Qaeda can really "defeat" or overwhelm Indian defences. Sadly we will lose men in the process.

Pakistan is the problem as always. Pashtunistan needs to be created officially or informally, so that Pakistan is eternally fighting on all sides.

[Lalmohan]

i see china enmeshed in afpak within 5 years

[anupmisra]

Pakistan military will strike terror groups’ HQ, if required: Interior Minister
Only if it is really required, mind you.

So, PA knows the whereabouts of the terror groups' HQ, eh! What else do they know that they are not revealing?

[shiv]

Pakistan military will strike terror groups’ HQ, if required: Interior Minister
Only if it is really required, mind you.

So the ( ) "civilian government" says what the army will do? That'll be the day.

"If necessary" indeed.

But I do want an offensive to occur. It costs money to mobilise the army and attack the area and Pakistan has a lot of money for all that - they are buying F-16s and all..

[Brad Goodman]

all over the world the hard core jihadis are heading for syria or afghania
personally, i think let them go, hell - lets buy them tickets
the more of them that embrace the full objective of martyrdom over there, the better for the rest of the world

To me this looks like a replay of Afganistan before 9-11.

9-11, Chechnya, Philippines terror etc occurred simply because a whole bunch of jihadis who were trained for India were getting eliminated and they headed out.

The US came in and tried to mess up things a bit and now the US is going. India of course will have to be eternally vigilant but I doubt if the most hardened Al Qaeda can really "defeat" or overwhelm Indian defences. Sadly we will lose men in the process.

Pakistan is the problem as always. Pashtunistan needs to be created officially or informally, so that Pakistan is eternally fighting on all sides.

Can I ask a question here. COIN in J&K was tough because we decided not to use helocopters fearing the stingers. If situation arises can we use them this time?

[shiv]

decided not to use helocopters fearing the stingers. If situation arises can we use them this time?

I think helicopters (and UAVs) are used regularly at the LOC. But the methods change once terrorists slip in and occupy a house in a civilian area. Pakistan deals with the latter by artillery a nd bombing. The IA takes casualties, but cordons off one hole and eliminates terrorists from there.

[partha]

Pakistan military will strike terror groups’ HQ, if required: Interior Minister
Only if it is really required, mind you.

Is the interior minister saying that Pakistan military will bomb its own headquarters?!!

[partha]

Pakistan military will strike terror groups’ HQ, if required: Interior Minister
Only if it is really required, mind you.

So the ( ) "civilian government" says what the army will do? That'll be the day.

Big thing is that the "civilian government" "approved" pre-emptive strikes after two days of PAF bombings.

[ramana]

Look at the irony, The Interior Minster is stating that TSP Military would bomb the terror groups HQ!

A clear case of crossing the lines!!!

I guess this new Army chief is another badmash, so civilians think they can order around the TFTA jihad-e-fistulas!!!

[kish]

Pakistan is the problem as always. Pashtunistan needs to be created officially or informally, so that Pakistan is eternally fighting on all sides.

Shiv ji, They are already fighting on "all sides". Though the intensity of the fighting is a little less on the Eyeranian border.

[url=httpxxx://www.dawn.com/news/1089630/iranian-morta ... -territory]Iranian mortar shells fired into Pakistani territory[/url]

Pakisatan is fighting 3 countries externally (India, Afghanistan & Iran), and 2 countries internally (Pashtunistan & Balochistan)

If what is happening in karachi is replicated in all of Sindh, panjabi mussalman will know its their end. pakisatan will begin to crumble under its own contradiction & cease to exist as a nation.

[partha]

Lahore High Court -



https://twitter.com/gulbukhari/status/4 ... 1589675008

[Prem]

No Entry for Qadiani in LOL High court!
India should assign only Qadiani as visa, immigration and custom official to process Pakiandhars. Every Paki visiting India must be tested for Polio and go through LOLiogram check up by Qadiani officer.

[SSridhar]

. . . and Pakistan has a lot of money for all that - they are buying F-16s and all..

The F-Solahs might after all be coming for next to nothing as a parting gift from the US, as they have done before. I would even imagine that a recent employment of PAF to hit at what 'Pakistan' termed as terrorist hideouts was to convince the Americans that the more F-Solahs that they had, the more would be Pakistan's effective handling of the terrorists. The reasoning is the same as that of the 50s and 60s when Pakistan demanded equipping and expanding the Pakistani military with American assistance as a frontline state to fight Communism. We know the real reason, for Pakistan never sent even a single soldier to fight communists and instead reached a deal with the Communist China in 1963. This is the right time to get these gifted weapon platforms as a lame duck GoI is moving towards its elections and eyes are off Pakistan (not that it would be better even in normal circumstances).

[shiv]

. . . and Pakistan has a lot of money for all that - they are buying F-16s and all..

The F-Solahs might after all be coming for next to nothing as a parting gift from the US, as they have done before. I would even imagine that a recent employment of PAF to hit at what 'Pakistan' termed as terrorist hideouts was to convince the Americans that the more F-Solahs that they had, the more would be Pakistan's effective handling of the terrorists.

Sridhar the Jordanian F 16s are "A" and "B" which are air defence only as far as I know. So mainly anti-India, not anti TTP. If the US approves their sale, what we need to start concentrating more and more upon in future is American perfidy aimed against India. Pakistan, over the years has become, if not a "lesser problem" - a problem that we have managed to keep at bay. We are simply not paying enough attention to the US.

US policies that are anti-India need to be made to fail. We spend a lot of time talking about Pakistan, and les about China. But we say very little about the mother of all sponsors of Pakistan the terrorist state, the USA.

That Jordan sale will not come through without the GOTUS' blessing

[Anujan]

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/opinion/27 ... rds-action

What the army is formally and informally putting out for public consumption suggests a focused operation against the TTP in NW while leaving the HQN and the Hafiz Gul Bahadur group alone. While the knee-jerk reprisal attacks against the TTP go on, a paradigm shift in military thinking, which discards the arbitrary distinction among the ‘good’ and the ‘bad’ Taliban, does not seem imminent. The security establishment has not put even half the effort in dissipating this flawed and highly dangerous notion of good/bad Taliban, which it created post-2007.

The Pakistani policy still appears to be that the good Taliban, a la the HQN, Mullah Omar’s gang and Hafiz Gul Bahadur’s group, etc., will eventually move to and/or focus on Afghanistan after the US withdraws. The presumption also seems to be that the bad Taliban of the TTP variety can, on the other hand, be forced to negotiate or restrained through sporadic punitive action. Inherent in this premise is a calculation that the ‘good’ Taliban will not come out on the side of the TTP. The idea perhaps is to capitalise on the fissures within the TTP and between the TTP and other jihadists in NW. Some of their reluctance may actually be a serious capacity issue with the Pakistani forces to prosecute an asymmetric war against a guerilla enemy.

Expect a few artillery attacks, a million people displaced and living in tents. JuD performing "relief operations" for the refugees and recruiting for the LeT.

[krisna]

teetar

Dr Majorly PhD ‏@majorlyp 18h

Before Afghanistan protests against Pak sheltering people who attack them, they should realize Pak shelters people who attack Pakistan too!

[SSridhar]

Russia Asks Saudis Not to Arm Saudi Rebels with Pakistani Missiles - Atul Aneja, The Hindu

Russia’s ties with Saudi Arabia seemed to have suffered another jolt after Moscow warned Riyadh not to try and change the balance of power in Syria, by supplying Pakistan-made shoulder-fired anti-aircraft weapons to the armed opposition.

On Tuesday, the Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement that it was “deeply concerned” by reports that Saudi Arabia was planning to buy Pakistani-made shoulder-launched surface-to-air missiles and anti-tank weapons for the Jordan-based Syrian opposition, battling the government of President Bashar al-Assad.

Alarmed by the possible transfers, the Ministry said that such a move would pose a security threat that would be felt far beyond Syrian borders.

“If this sensitive weapon falls into the hands of extremists and terrorists who have flooded Syria, there is a great probability that in the end it will be used far from the borders of this Middle Eastern country,” said the Foreign Ministry statement. Analysts point out that Moscow is well aware of the game-changing nature of these arms in the light of its experience in Afghanistan, where the transfer of shoulder-fired Stinger missiles by the United States had neutralised the air advantage that had been exercised by the Soviet Red Army battling the western-backed Afghan Mujahideen.

AFP is reporting that Saudi Arabia is in talks with Pakistan to provide Anza anti-aircraft missiles — its own version of a Chinese shoulder-launched system.

The Syrian opposition claims the United States, fearing that these weapons could end up with the extremists had previously opposed their exports. But Washington has apparently now softened its stance, following the perceived failure of the Geneva 2-talks between the Syrian government and the anti-Assad forces in Switzerland.

Quoting a Saudi source, the report said that Pakistan’s Army Chief of Staff, General Raheel Sharif, had visited Riyadh earlier this month, where he had met Crown Prince Salman Bin Abdul Aziz.

Last week, Prince Salman had himself led a large delegation to Pakistan — the visit reinforcing the earlier visit to Islamabad by Prince Saud Al Faisal, the Saudi Foreign Minister.

The new category of weapons, once they are sent, will be stored in Jordan, Syria’s neighbouring country and a long-time Washington ally. Ahmad Jarba, the head of the Syrian opposition, has already said that “powerful arms will be arriving soon.” Observers say that the plan to upgrade weaponry follows the decision by the U.S. and Saudi Arabia to support the Islamic Front — a combination of Islamist organisations that are technically not affiliated with Al Qaeda — in order to mount an offensive against Mr. Assad.

From the way Pakistan and the US have conducted their business in the past and until now, I won't be surprised if the Jordanian F-16s are a price demanded by the Pakistanis for their missiles, with a rider that they should be upgraded too. China is very cleverly selling its JF-17 and small missiles through Pakistan and is studiously silent in the background but always controlling the strings. Again, we see that just like in 1979, the alliance of Pakistan, US, KSA & China playing up. As then, Russia is on the other side now also. We also have an Islamist in power in Pakistan now as it was then. Under the ruse of Syria, Pakistan is supplying these weapons to the Afghan Taliban as well because some of these are mysteriously going to end up there. We saw 'Russian' weapons then being supplied to the mujahideen and this time around, it will be Chinese weapons.

[Lalmohan]

the f16's might be jaziya that unkil has to pay tspa to cover its exit from afpak

[anupmisra]

Another one bites the dust in green on green tiffs.

Religious scholar Allama Taqi Hadi Naqvi shot dead

A religious scholar was shot dead in Karachi's Nazimabad area on Thursday

Meanwhile, back at the zoo, a police officer suffered gunshot wounds during a scuffle with a colleague

[anupmisra]

Origins of militancy or, why are pakis inherently terrorists?

So what are the root causes of terrorist violence in al bakistan

The state of Pakistan has been getting weaker as the years go by

How? Lets count the ways (remember, don't include the root cause - malsi):

The areas ... are many, and they include intelligence and law enforcement capacity, growing “injustice and inequality” in society, “elite capture and abuse of state institutions”.

These dysfunctions “make disenfranchised youth vulnerable to messages of hate and intolerance

There is something seductive about this analysis

there is symmetry between the anger you and I feel at the state of affairs in our country and the anger that animates the Taliban

Terror groups are thriving in our country for one simple reason: they enjoy protection and patronage from the highest authorities of our land

Usually this support comes from outside the country, by neighbours or other great powers

But, this is the cause-celebre of paki-disenfranchisement:

an angry and disenfranchised youth is more likely to take up a life of street crime and armed robbery than embrace holy war against the world

There. Now you know the reason. See you at the next mayhem when the pakis celebrate 23-hour blackouts.

[Peregrine]

Lahore High Court -



https://twitter.com/gulbukhari/status/4 ... 1589675008

partha Ji :

The Government of India MUST post the NO ENTRY FOR QADIANIES Signs at all entry posts in India being used as Points of Entry for the Inhabitants of the Land of the Pure and Home of the Terrorists to ensure that Hundreds of Thousands - nay Millions - of Qadianies who are going to flood India, if not already and if so they must be sent back, to ensure that we do not get all the Traitorous and Kaafir Qadianies into India.

Cheers

[Brad Goodman]

what is going on here
Sex change blesses family with more earning hands

[Brad Goodman]

Christian Fair’s ballistic ways

Sir: A hard-hitting write-up by American Professor Christine Fair, Ten Fictions that Pakistani Defence Officials Love to Peddle seems to be a thorough attempt to hurt Pakistan and its citizens. Her book is an insult to Pakistan’s 55,000 security forces personnel who had lost their lives in the war against terror , which the country initially fought on behalf of the US. I am not a rich person, but whatever I have I am ready to offer to the professor in return for only one US citizen who I can use as a paid fighter against the Taliban. Will she agree to the bargain?

Can her inference that Pakistan was paid to do what it did for the US justify the sacrifices we have made in the line of duty? How insulting! Another pertinent question that I would like to throw at the esteemed professor is about the amount of money given to Pakistan so far. According to The Economist, Pakistan’s losses in the war against terror during the last one decade have been over the $ one trillion mark. Does the $ 35 million Pakistan has received to date from the US match that loss?

Despite over 13 years long stay in Afghanistan, the US has been unable to resettle and rehabilitate millions of Afghan refugees who continue to be a burden on Pakistan’s fledgling economy. Now the US is going back and the fear of civil war looms large. The experts are warning of a further influx of more than a million refugees into Pakistan, adding obviously to the country’s troubles.

I would like to advise Ms Fair to read What Made Christine Fair go ballistic on Pakistan, written by one of her fellow Americans. Or Christopher Walt’s recent article Ten Reasons of Obama’s Failure in Afghanistan. It is my humble request to the professor that if they cannot be healed, at least do not rub salt on our wounds. Stop humiliating us by pointing fingers at our sincerity and honesty. The US has a way to get out of the war by leaving the country and withdrawing its forces while we have no option but to fight the devils out and win the war.

Marya Mufty

Lahore

[abhijitm]

^^^
Ten fictions that pakistani defense officials love to peddle
Should this go in the first page of TSP dhaga?

[anupmisra]

^^^
Ten fictions that pakistani defense officials love to peddle
Should this go in the first page of TSP dhaga?

From the article,

PAKI CLAIM: “Pakistan has an enduring interest with peace with India.”

Really? Tell me more. Pakistan has started every war with India over Kashmir and then failed to win any of them. Pakistan continues to sustain a flotilla of militant groups whose stated objectives are to coerce India to make some concession to Pakistan on Kashmir and generally to foment communal violence between India’s Hindu and Muslim communities. These groups now operate throughout India. Under Pakistan’s expanding nuclear umbrella, these groups have been able to undertake attacks far beyond Kashmir including the 2001 attack on India’s parliament, the 2006 attack on Mumbai’s commuter rail system and the 2008 multi-day siege of Mumbai among numerous other lesser known rampages. While it is true that Pakistan must implement a defense policy based on India’s defense capabilities rather than assumptions about India’s most magnanimous intentions, it is also true that India would have no interest in Pakistan if it were not for the numerous terrorist groups that Pakistan supports.

So, is she off or on her meds?

[abhijitm]

^^ To her credit, she has always maintained that first bolded part. The last sentence is something new I am hearing from her

Why I strongly suspect that she is a BRF lurker?

[anupmisra]

^^ To her credit, she has always maintained that first bolded part. The last sentence is something new I am hearing from her

Why I strongly suspect that she is a BRF lurker?

She may even be posting here using an alias. One never knows.

[anupmisra]

Positive news from al-bakistan. No comment.

Goats and daaru in Majlis-e-Parliament-e-rahikhana

Liquor, girls being brought to parliament lodges, alleges Dasti

Independent Member National Assembly (MNA) Jamshed Dasti has made shocking claims in the lower house of the parliament, saying that liquor worth Rs 40 to 50 million is annually supplied to the parliament lodges

He claimed that girls have also been brought to the parliament lodges for ‘immoral activities.’ There is always a smell of hashish in the lodges

Hearing this, Acting Speaker Naeema Kishore turning off Jamshed Dasti’s microphone

What about mujras and kushti in the majlis? Hain?

[anupmisra]

Another kirkit unibrow in police trouble. Kamran Akmal fined for violating traffic rule

Akmal was caught talking on phone while driving near Kalma Chowk (that is sacrilegious and blasphemy)

The cricketer paid Rs500 fine unlike his brother Umar Akmal who had landed in a lockup after tearing apart officer’s uniform when he was caught for crossing speed limit

[Lalmohan]

so which part of the officer's uniform did he rip?

[anupmisra]

Big birather is watching you (from now on). Islamabad: Renting property sans informing police prohibited

The District Magistrate on Friday issued two separate orders, which prohibit the owners/dealers/hoteliers from renting out property/rooms to anyone without informing the police

District Magistrate has prohibited renting out any kind of property to any person by a property dealer/broker/owner without informing concerned police station regarding the particulars of tenants

In order to discourage the insurgents from trying to find hideouts within the city, it is necessary to verify the particulars of person occupying commercial/non-commercial properties on rent through estate agents/owners on regular basis the Order said