
AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections
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(Take whatever is worth)ShyamSP wrote:
INC+TRS is advantageous to BJP and TDP. This effort is to deny opportunities for non-Congress as TRS going to INC means some sections of TRS will go back to BJP and TDP. There may be hidden deal TRS goes for Assembly and Congress gets MP seats. This denying also gives TRS to dup BJP which is made up of bunch of dunce people.
Ghardha Vilapam: "Ayyo nena ee mundani. Vuppu ni moshe naku, vuppuni notlo kotte ame pera naaku. Ayyere paga vadiki kuda rakudadu ee dusthiti"
INC+TRS will still go together in some fashion or other. The worst case is both will go alone. I don't really think TRS will go with BJP in Telangana pre-poll. But T-BJP is a wonderful entity that you will not get on this planet and fit for museum only

Here is what is cooking per grapevine.
Reddy brothers are pushing for a Jagan/BJP alliance in SA. Kishen Reddy-Sushma also wants that happen.
Even as of this date TDP+BJP alliance is a done deal including the seats. The deal is privy to only Modi's team and CBN's team. The resistance is coming from AP-BJP and Jagan's honchos inside "everywhere".
(this confirms the Sunday Gaurdian gossip article of leaders positioning/orchestrating alternative to Modi by reducing the overall NDA count)
If you observe the trends, those who are leaving congress on the SA side are joining mostly TDP. On the T side those who are leaving TDP are joining TRS but those who are leaving erstwhile-moribund YSRC are joining BJP. If realistically TRS+INC falls through then you will see more exodus to BJP from real congress too.
The irony is that BJP is far better off in places like Manipur, Tripura, TN or Kerala. However, the internecine war of factions is going in a zero vote state of AP.
At a caste level, anything but TDP for Telangana elites is a realistic statement. It is a wheels-inside-wheels of inter-party and intra-party stuff going on. In other analogy, Modi was an untouchable until he became very powerful. Similarly CBN is kind of a untouchable for the AP elites at this time.
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vivek.rao wrote:Meanwhile Jaggu the Evangelist has other ideas
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I strongly feel TRS will go with BJP after the elections. Modi has tremendous good will on the ground and TRS should not have any objection to it.
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How many times will YSR's son create rukus is anyone's guess. This should have invited a lawsuit long back already.
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If TRS doesn't get majority on its own in Telangana, they will go with MIM to form government. BJP on its own, may not even open account in Assembly.yvijay wrote:I strongly feel TRS will go with BJP after the elections. Modi has tremendous good will on the ground and TRS should not have any objection to it.
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did he actually go in the temple with shoes?
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Not inside. He was stopped and asked to remove.fanne wrote:did he actually go in the temple with shoes?
http://www.apherald.com/Politics/ViewAr ... Tirumala-/
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Recall his father brought along Sonia Gandhi to the temple and took her inside using his perogative as CM of the state!
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I'm talking about parliment elections. MIM with congress support got 7 Assembly seats last time. Infact TDP split the votes enabling BJP defeat in some closely contested constituencies. So I don't think TRS need or take MIM support.nageshks wrote:If TRS doesn't get majority on its own in Telangana, they will go with MIM to form government. BJP on its own, may not even open account in Assembly.yvijay wrote:I strongly feel TRS will go with BJP after the elections. Modi has tremendous good will on the ground and TRS should not have any objection to it.
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We don't know how many TRS will get. TRS is not strong in Adilabad, Bhongir, Khammam, Mahabubabad, Warangal, and Nalagonda seats. That removes about 42 seats at once from TRS. I doubt they can win 10 from these constituencies. Even in Peddapalle, and southern constituencies like Nagarkurnool, Chevella, and Malkajgiri, they are only so-so (too many SAs still) Add another 10 from those four constituencies. Hyderabad is MIM stronghold, so they won't get anything there. That leaves Secunderabad, Nizamabad, Zahirabad, Karimnagar, Mahabubnagar, and Medak. From the last 6, he will have to get 40 out of 42 seats for majority. Not easy. Even with a sweep, I don't give him more than 30-35 out of 42. So-yes, he will need an ally post poll, and MIM is the most convenient.yvijay wrote: I'm talking about parliment elections. MIM with congress support got 7 Assembly seats last time. Infact TDP split the votes enabling BJP defeat in some closely contested constituencies. So I don't think TRS need or take MIM support.
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Here is a most open indication from CBN that TDP will go with NDA.
We are with NDA - CBN
(Long article - hence translating only a bit)
We are with NDA - CBN
(Long article - hence translating only a bit)
We will be travel with NDA. I am currently thinking whether to go with them pre-poll or post-poll.
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KCR is just playing hard ball with mafia. In 2009 with TDP he has won some 10 MLAs. Now he does not have any support if goes alone. He may drum up a lot but people know about him in many places. In twin cities and seats around he will not get almost anything. The districts like Warangal wherein he got some good support he may win quite a few, MIM will get 7 seats.
BJP winning any seat is a big doubt. Now they got 2 but Kishan Reddy may not win in his seat this time. I do not see anyone else winning.
Mafia and Sushma has same interests in AP and KA. That is stop NM, reduce TDP and have their base in the two states and bid for their time to back stab NM.
I hear both NM and termite queen are coming to coastal districts but it seems mafia queen got chickened out. NM date now officially announced.
BJP winning any seat is a big doubt. Now they got 2 but Kishan Reddy may not win in his seat this time. I do not see anyone else winning.
Mafia and Sushma has same interests in AP and KA. That is stop NM, reduce TDP and have their base in the two states and bid for their time to back stab NM.
I hear both NM and termite queen are coming to coastal districts but it seems mafia queen got chickened out. NM date now officially announced.
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oh oh! now another phase of nautanki. let's wait and see if there is any truth to this so called "unhappiness" between INC and TRS. my gut feeling is it's a nautanki. but as I said before TRS will not be free of factions. also, among the V's, I still have some hope for the younger generation. let's see what happens. ultimately, the V's will not stack their fortunes with Saffron. they see saffron as a threat to their personal power agenda. but Rama Rao has his own ambitions. ambitions are always good, especially when this fellow is trying to permanently make INC a junior street player. I hope he forces INC to spend more time, energy, and resources in this increasingly winner-less "game".
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Mafia seems to have been outplayed in AP by TRS and may be even Jagan. There is no guarantee that these cheats will all join together before of after elections. Self interest rules in politics and mafia thought everyone will bow before termite queen and with defeat staring at their face they may find some hard truths Jagan being allowed to join BJP is a very bad thing. He should be politically stopped in this elections. I hope for good sense.
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>>Uma Sudhir @umasudhir 24m
AP governor has reportedly called for review files signed by Kiran Kumar Reddy in days before he resigned as chief minister
AP governor has reportedly called for review files signed by Kiran Kumar Reddy in days before he resigned as chief minister
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A friend told Pepper spray artist MP is the front man for AP CM. It seems PepperSpray colects hafta and KKR signs the filesHari Seldon wrote:>>Uma Sudhir @umasudhir 24m
AP governor has reportedly called for review files signed by Kiran Kumar Reddy in days before he resigned as chief minister
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TRS and INC merger will mean BJP gets opposition space and TRS and INC aspirants will have to accommodate each other. Rather both can now sell tickets.
Considering BJP is a 0 in T and Seemandhra why vacate opposition space, make it anther WB, Kerala or Orissa model
Considering BJP is a 0 in T and Seemandhra why vacate opposition space, make it anther WB, Kerala or Orissa model
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AP elections are different type of business. Middle class politicos of BJP fighting with moneybags of other parties with caste caliculations etc? Not so easy. BJP need to do lot of work in AP even to be a strong contender. Not this election.
In any event the Governor of AP has to go. Too much mafia chamcha man.
In any event the Governor of AP has to go. Too much mafia chamcha man.
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Narayana Rao-garu,Narayana Rao wrote:AP elections are different type of business. Middle class politicos of BJP fighting with moneybags of other parties with caste caliculations etc? Not so easy. BJP need to do lot of work in AP even to be a strong contender. Not this election.
In any event the Governor of AP has to go. Too much mafia chamcha man.
Whose side is Kishan Reddy on? He has made zero moves to strengthen BJP in T. All the `we are zo strong in T' seems garam hawa. I doubt that the BJP will even win a single seat, VS or LS, on its own. Only one with any chance seems to be Nagam Janardana Reddy.
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Nagam won by about 1500 votes in Mahaboobnagar Assembly seat. These guys are now thinking he can win LS. I doubt even one LS if BJP goes alone. Kishen Reddy tells in BJP meets that in 2019 he himself will be CM of T. Going with TDP, TRS will reduce BJP's growth is his take. BJP did not grow an inch in Telangana for a decade but they keep telling these stories. They even did not try to occupy any space being left by INC on the SA side. Other than a bunch of story tellers there are none.
On top of that they spin Takleefs like SA consists of 75% Christians and T consists of 30% jihadis etc. Too much of bs gets spread about AP demographics.
BJP has two options:
(1) go with TDP on both side and sink or shine with them
(2) cook unholy alliance with Jagan on one side and TRS on other side. For both Jagan and TRS, BJP's alliance is a liability. All they want is to ensure that BJP does not go with TDP so that they can have advantage.
option-2 is more in line with anti-Modi forces.
Latest CSDS survey is clearly pointing that TRS or Jagan are no biggies and they are defeatable. Jagan is really going down.
On top of that they spin Takleefs like SA consists of 75% Christians and T consists of 30% jihadis etc. Too much of bs gets spread about AP demographics.
BJP has two options:
(1) go with TDP on both side and sink or shine with them
(2) cook unholy alliance with Jagan on one side and TRS on other side. For both Jagan and TRS, BJP's alliance is a liability. All they want is to ensure that BJP does not go with TDP so that they can have advantage.
option-2 is more in line with anti-Modi forces.
Latest CSDS survey is clearly pointing that TRS or Jagan are no biggies and they are defeatable. Jagan is really going down.
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Ex-Bureaucrats tell me Telangana has been handed an empty shell with a lot of noise to mask it. KCR is now realizing he and the region have been duped by Congress.
No state has been created like this where they have no control. Its defacto UT for next ten years.
No state has been created like this where they have no control. Its defacto UT for next ten years.
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Will election be under undivided or divied AP?
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Muppalla saar,
the problem for the lotus in T(or in most of AP) is the leadership which is moribund. It is similar to situation in UP before Shah was sent. If a taskmaster like Shah is sent to AP, things can turn around.
As for TRS, it seems to be highly over-estimated. KCR seems to have the brains to realize that going with the kongis will lead to anti-incumbency wave taking them down along with kongis. Unless some special pressure gets applied on him, KCR may not ally with the kongis. Even if there is alliance, they are not going to sweep. Infact, that may help the TDP which would be the only anti-kongi option for the people. Otherwise, the anti-kongi votes will get split between TDP and TRS. Even here, TRS was all about separate T. Now that separate T has happened, there is no need for their existence. I think TDP will perform very well in T.
Ramana saar,
T is the real loser in this separation as T was the real gainer in the united AP. If the cards were played right, T people could have had a very good situation especially because Hyd was the capital...especially now that there is a leadership crisis, if a good strong leader had emerged from T background, he could have easily ruled for long. If KCR had really as much popularity in T as is projected, he could have ruled entire AP. The problem is lack of leadership specially in T areas. T-kongis are jokers who can't win their own seats and depend on their high command to break the state. T-kongis are now competing with T-lotus guys and both are jokers. Thats why KCR was able to project himself as the sole voice even then KCR could not do much dent when a strong leadership existed at state level. When TDP or YSR was in power, KCR couldn't do much. Even now, he is being projected larger than he really is.
I have not seen anywhere else where people of the region that has the capital want the state to be broken. Thats sheer madness. This is only going to benefit politicians in short-term. The common people of T are losers. Many people seem to have supported T because they expected an immediate exodus(forced or voluntary) of people and a sort of grabbing the properties and real estate. The proximity of Hyd would have helped the T people and migration from coastal and seema regions diluted the ijlamic presence(again a gain for the T people).
It would have been beneficial for the T people to ask for some special packages or privileges within the united AP. That would have helped them to eventually get to power within the state if that was the aim.
The real discrimination is not on the basis of regions but castes. There is a lot of nexus and nepotism on the basis of castes rather than region/sub-region.
the problem for the lotus in T(or in most of AP) is the leadership which is moribund. It is similar to situation in UP before Shah was sent. If a taskmaster like Shah is sent to AP, things can turn around.
As for TRS, it seems to be highly over-estimated. KCR seems to have the brains to realize that going with the kongis will lead to anti-incumbency wave taking them down along with kongis. Unless some special pressure gets applied on him, KCR may not ally with the kongis. Even if there is alliance, they are not going to sweep. Infact, that may help the TDP which would be the only anti-kongi option for the people. Otherwise, the anti-kongi votes will get split between TDP and TRS. Even here, TRS was all about separate T. Now that separate T has happened, there is no need for their existence. I think TDP will perform very well in T.
Ramana saar,
T is the real loser in this separation as T was the real gainer in the united AP. If the cards were played right, T people could have had a very good situation especially because Hyd was the capital...especially now that there is a leadership crisis, if a good strong leader had emerged from T background, he could have easily ruled for long. If KCR had really as much popularity in T as is projected, he could have ruled entire AP. The problem is lack of leadership specially in T areas. T-kongis are jokers who can't win their own seats and depend on their high command to break the state. T-kongis are now competing with T-lotus guys and both are jokers. Thats why KCR was able to project himself as the sole voice even then KCR could not do much dent when a strong leadership existed at state level. When TDP or YSR was in power, KCR couldn't do much. Even now, he is being projected larger than he really is.
I have not seen anywhere else where people of the region that has the capital want the state to be broken. Thats sheer madness. This is only going to benefit politicians in short-term. The common people of T are losers. Many people seem to have supported T because they expected an immediate exodus(forced or voluntary) of people and a sort of grabbing the properties and real estate. The proximity of Hyd would have helped the T people and migration from coastal and seema regions diluted the ijlamic presence(again a gain for the T people).
It would have been beneficial for the T people to ask for some special packages or privileges within the united AP. That would have helped them to eventually get to power within the state if that was the aim.
The real discrimination is not on the basis of regions but castes. There is a lot of nexus and nepotism on the basis of castes rather than region/sub-region.
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Who is Peddamma?
Who is Chinnama?
Who has divided?
Who has supported?
Who has revolted?
Who has sacrificed?
Its all me all the way !
KCR taking credit for the formation of Telangana, leaving the Congressmen and T-students red-faced. All part of the larger game for power and money!
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JohneeG, Think about Partition of Bengal by Curzon in 1905. That one too was a zinger to benefit the Crown. Yet it finally resulted in Bangla desh after 65 years.
Same way Congress split AP to reduce the power.
Same way Congress split AP to reduce the power.
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+10.ramana wrote:Ex-Bureaucrats tell me Telangana has been handed an empty shell with a lot of noise to mask it. KCR is now realizing he and the region have been duped by Congress.
No state has been created like this where they have no control. Its defacto UT for next ten years.
You don't need to go for any expert opinions. Just regular news will tell it. AP has one investment vehicle. Now SA and T. SA is getting tax holidays and T is not getting packages. SA has infrastructure, private money and Government support. What does T has? 10 years of Hyd could go either way unless supreme court cuts down the crap.
See the statement of T-industries body. According to him, Tax-holidays increases 10 to 15% in margins. With a capitalist bend of mind and money, the SA will get a lot of industries. Per him there will be some who instead of putting in HYD could go and put it in SA. There will be shifts too.
Taking out all the crap related to pride and justice and false histories, it is a story of killing the golden egg laying hen.
One private sector port, one international airport and a tax holiday of five years will change the resource rich SA which can attract a lot of investments. That is why there is huge opposition to any package for SA.
JohneeG garu,
Before we being critical of someone doing something or not doing something, I ask the following:
(1) Who are the ones who are proposing HYD as UT and why?
(2) Who are the ones who actually proposed Rayala-Telangana and why?
My answer is (1) and (2) did not come from somewhere, and it is a proposal from Coastal AP money bags led by Kavuri Sambasiva Rao, Daggupati Purandhareshwari et al.
Why?
Several answers. Decent answer is they want a pure rich area and throw all the backwards areas as one state. In addition keep the rich HYD as separate entity.
Dirty answer is make a state where Reddys are all in one portions and less influence on the other.
This is the level of thinking that these folks have to extract their pound of flesh when they are asked to fight for United AP.
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Muppalla, Also Rahul wanted Hyd as UT for loot to continue. So its not all that.
Besides common folk did not want T.
It was a mandate from Soniamma and Chinnamma.
Lets be focussed on real C-section obstetritians,
Besides common folk did not want T.
It was a mandate from Soniamma and Chinnamma.
Lets be focussed on real C-section obstetritians,
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AP BJP produced 2 nation presidents for BJP both of whom never won a Lok Sabha seat from AP. It won 4 seats max in its entire history out of 42. I d not remember them every being serious contender for at least 10 MLA seats out 294. I never got a feeling that we were taking on TDP or congress while doing election work in BJP. I know we are going to lose every time.
The main reason is in spite of having the goodwill etc mafia and TDP always occupied ruling and opposition space in AP. Money bags are with them only. When I was offered to a seat in the elections I had to refuse because I do not have money. My close friend has to refuse district president post as he do not have capacity to maintain a car.
Does anyone think with this kind of financial and social background BJP leaders will win seats in any areas of AP???
The main reason is in spite of having the goodwill etc mafia and TDP always occupied ruling and opposition space in AP. Money bags are with them only. When I was offered to a seat in the elections I had to refuse because I do not have money. My close friend has to refuse district president post as he do not have capacity to maintain a car.
Does anyone think with this kind of financial and social background BJP leaders will win seats in any areas of AP???
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Chalo good news as Center has to provide more baksheesh to both regions now. Otherwise they would not have given anything.
Centre proposes 4000MW NTPC plant in Ramagundam
Muppalla, Where is Duggirajapatnam?
Thanks, ramana
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Found out its in Nellore and has been considered for a long time since atleast two years earlier. Its close to Chennai and need to think is this smart to undercut Chennai.
Centre proposes 4000MW NTPC plant in Ramagundam
Maybe in the end it will be good for all. Now if BJP can be persuaded to provide more tax incentives if they come to power.Hyderabad, March 4:
To address power shortage in the Telangana region after the division of Andhra Pradesh, the Centre has proposed setting up a 4000 MW mega power project by NTPC.
The company will take up development of the plant once it secures coal linkages. The coal requirement could be met by the State-owned Singareni Collieries and other sources.
After the bifurcation of Andhra Pradesh into Telangana and Seemandhra, the Telangana region is likely to be short by about 2,000 MW.
While efforts would be made to bridge the gap through Central power stations and purchases, setting up of a mega power plant would be a long-term solution.
NTPC has a super thermal power project in Ramagundam.
It is exploring the possibility of expansion at the site. During a recent interaction, the NTPC management had indicated at the move to expand and also consider purchase of power assets.
In its efforts to boost the infrastructure in both the regions, the Centre has proposed several projects, including setting up a major port at Duggirajapatnam and conducting feasibility studies for a steel plant by Steel Authority of India in Telangana and another steel plant in Kadapa.
It has proposed that Indian Oil and and Hindustan Petroleum explore the possibility of setting up a petrochemical complex. The existing airports at Visakhapatnam, Vijayawada and Tirupathi could be improved.
Feasibility study
While taking up a feasibility study for developing the Vizag-Chennai industrial corridor, it was proposed that the National Highways Authority of India would develop roads, while the Indian Railways would build a rail coach factory in Telangana.
The Government will also explore the feasibility of metro rail projects in Visakhapatnam, Vijayawada- Guntur- Tenali.
(This article was published on March 4, 2014)
Muppalla, Where is Duggirajapatnam?
Thanks, ramana
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Found out its in Nellore and has been considered for a long time since atleast two years earlier. Its close to Chennai and need to think is this smart to undercut Chennai.
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It was after that episode YSR was fried in a Helicopter and Sonia was diagnosed with Cancer. It is only a matter of time before this YSJ bites the dust.ramana wrote:Recall his father brought along Sonia Gandhi to the temple and took her inside using his perogative as CM of the state!
No body messes with Tirumala Balaji!! I thought his fathers death must have taught him the lesson.
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Sonia was not dignosed for Cancer , she went to US to collect money bags for splitting AP, which could be used to form 3rd Front Govt. At center and break the alliance in 2-3 years and then resurrect shehzada as PM and get him married. Everything is going according to plan. She was determined to break AP, only after her visit to US. There was a report that Madhu Yashki told to someone to wait till she returns, so that there will be announcement for Telangana, when a lot of folks were trying to abandon the ship and jump to other parties, on the Telangana side.Altair wrote:It was after that episode YSR was fried in a Helicopter and Sonia was diagnosed with Cancer. It is only a matter of time before this YSJ bites the dust.ramana wrote:Recall his father brought along Sonia Gandhi to the temple and took her inside using his perogative as CM of the state!
No body messes with Tirumala Balaji!! I thought his fathers death must have taught him the lesson.
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Yesu Reddy's dismembered gory death taught a lesson to CBN. CBN would have met a similar fate. Interestingly, that was also very close to Thirumala. After the death of Yesu Reddy, one finds a picture of Venkateshwara in CBN office.
After the recent events in AP division, I am convinced that the world runs only because of God/Goddess. If it were left to human beings, they would have ended it long back due to petty politics and short-sightedness.
The comeuppance is a dish that is served coldly. Look at Rapepal. Even most of the dynasty ultimately met gruesome end. Similarly, Yesu also met his end. As for Gajan, he is done. Most probably, he will not do as well as he is being predicted. His kongi protectors will also be gone. If NaMo simply allows the law to take its course, then Gajan is over. Most probably, TDP will be in alliance at center, so they will push for it. Gajan seems to be mentally unstable and egoist who manages to rub everyone the wrong way. As for the 'bro' Anil who claims to have powers to bring down showers, he couldn't stop his wife from having affairs. He is already the second husband. Now, she may acquire a third one. It seems only black goggles in TN continues to evade death while cursing Shri Raama. Power of Maha looks like he was slapped on the cheek by the God/Goddess. Well, atleast, these thoughts warm the heart even if they are just thoughts for mental peace. I think its better to believe that there is some justice in the world.
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Ramana garu,
yep, division of AP has reminded me also of division of Vangal for atleast an year now. The first division of Vangal was undone within a decade. The same can happen with regard to AP also. If the division is short-lived, it might be beneficial to T side. It allows T to get control of Hyd and then ask for merger on their terms after a decade.
First Vangal division seemed to signal the end of brit empire. Once the brits lost Vangal, they could not consolidate in the country. They relocated to Dilli, but could not consolidate. It remained unstable. When Kolkatta was the capital, brits had a solid time from 1860 - 1890 atleast. Primarily, their seat of Vangal was not threatened which gave them the safety to introduce all sorts of things and play all sorts of games. They introduced macualyte edu. They set up archeological division. Max Muller was pushed and EJs were very active. Babus were manufactured. Kongis was set up. Railways was created. Everything was fine and dandy. I think the brits tried to clever by half when they tried to split Vangal and killed the goose that laid golden eggs. Once they lost Vangal and shifted to Dilli, they seemed to be very unstable. It seems that Dilli cannot be the seat unless Afghanisthan & Nepal are secured.
It seems there was section in Vangal that supported the brits and that section was alienated due to the split of Vangal. Once the brits moved to Dilli, they tried to sow seeds of division between Sikhs and Hindhus to create some loyal faction for themselves. It seems this was the time when, brits seriously wanted to Sikhs to behave like Muslims as separate from Hindhus. It seems this project did not fructify by 1947. Similarly, it seems after they located to Dilli, AIT theory that was already pushed in academic circles seem to have been given a political outlook and was seriously pursued by the brits to divide North and South. Dhravida-naadu idea seems to be floated to atleast secure the south, if the control of North was lost. Remember, South was one of the first places to be conquered by the brits. They had presence in TN regions for a long time before they ventured into North.
All in all, division of Vangal was a bad idea for the brits. I wonder why they wanted to divide Vangal. Was it just vinashe kaale vipareetha buddhi?
The same applies to kongis and AP division. Division of AP means end of kongis. Frankly, if kongis wanted, they could have easily gotten atleast 10 seats from united AP this time. And there is always next time. But, after the division, kongis are finished. They don't have any place where they can consolidate and remain safe. KTK is with them for now, but I don't know how long it will be with them. If they lose in center, then the sarkaar in KTK may also fall if some guys are bought and made to resign on some issue, then it will lead to another election.
So, division of AP does not make much sense from kongi perspective.
If TRS allies with kongis, then lotus and TDP may be the beneficiary. Because the voters of TRS may go to lotus if it allies with kongis while TDP will retain its voters. If TRS does not go with kongis, then lotus would be the looser. Either way, I think kongis are loosers. It seems to me that anyone who allies with kongis will also be a loser & only losers are allying with kongis. Anyway, I think KCR is being over-rated. It seems to me that TDP will perform well in T. It would be interesting to see who will be projected as the CM of T from TDP for polls.
Also, KCR is very similar to Fordriwal. If he does get power, he is likely to cut and run or lose his halo. So, far, he has been cleverer/luckier than Fordriwal in not taking up any position of responsibility and concentrating on being only criticizer.
It seems KCR had previously been labour minister and that may have given him links to labour groups which he seems to have used during his 'agitation' period to prop himself up. Many of the labour unions in T seem to have supported the separate state. That may be due to the previous stint as labour minister.
If the kongis seriously wanted to neutralize KCR, they could have given him a straight-forward chance to rule AP and then pulled the plug like it happened to Fordriwal.
After the recent events in AP division, I am convinced that the world runs only because of God/Goddess. If it were left to human beings, they would have ended it long back due to petty politics and short-sightedness.
The comeuppance is a dish that is served coldly. Look at Rapepal. Even most of the dynasty ultimately met gruesome end. Similarly, Yesu also met his end. As for Gajan, he is done. Most probably, he will not do as well as he is being predicted. His kongi protectors will also be gone. If NaMo simply allows the law to take its course, then Gajan is over. Most probably, TDP will be in alliance at center, so they will push for it. Gajan seems to be mentally unstable and egoist who manages to rub everyone the wrong way. As for the 'bro' Anil who claims to have powers to bring down showers, he couldn't stop his wife from having affairs. He is already the second husband. Now, she may acquire a third one. It seems only black goggles in TN continues to evade death while cursing Shri Raama. Power of Maha looks like he was slapped on the cheek by the God/Goddess. Well, atleast, these thoughts warm the heart even if they are just thoughts for mental peace. I think its better to believe that there is some justice in the world.
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Ramana garu,
yep, division of AP has reminded me also of division of Vangal for atleast an year now. The first division of Vangal was undone within a decade. The same can happen with regard to AP also. If the division is short-lived, it might be beneficial to T side. It allows T to get control of Hyd and then ask for merger on their terms after a decade.
First Vangal division seemed to signal the end of brit empire. Once the brits lost Vangal, they could not consolidate in the country. They relocated to Dilli, but could not consolidate. It remained unstable. When Kolkatta was the capital, brits had a solid time from 1860 - 1890 atleast. Primarily, their seat of Vangal was not threatened which gave them the safety to introduce all sorts of things and play all sorts of games. They introduced macualyte edu. They set up archeological division. Max Muller was pushed and EJs were very active. Babus were manufactured. Kongis was set up. Railways was created. Everything was fine and dandy. I think the brits tried to clever by half when they tried to split Vangal and killed the goose that laid golden eggs. Once they lost Vangal and shifted to Dilli, they seemed to be very unstable. It seems that Dilli cannot be the seat unless Afghanisthan & Nepal are secured.
It seems there was section in Vangal that supported the brits and that section was alienated due to the split of Vangal. Once the brits moved to Dilli, they tried to sow seeds of division between Sikhs and Hindhus to create some loyal faction for themselves. It seems this was the time when, brits seriously wanted to Sikhs to behave like Muslims as separate from Hindhus. It seems this project did not fructify by 1947. Similarly, it seems after they located to Dilli, AIT theory that was already pushed in academic circles seem to have been given a political outlook and was seriously pursued by the brits to divide North and South. Dhravida-naadu idea seems to be floated to atleast secure the south, if the control of North was lost. Remember, South was one of the first places to be conquered by the brits. They had presence in TN regions for a long time before they ventured into North.
All in all, division of Vangal was a bad idea for the brits. I wonder why they wanted to divide Vangal. Was it just vinashe kaale vipareetha buddhi?
The same applies to kongis and AP division. Division of AP means end of kongis. Frankly, if kongis wanted, they could have easily gotten atleast 10 seats from united AP this time. And there is always next time. But, after the division, kongis are finished. They don't have any place where they can consolidate and remain safe. KTK is with them for now, but I don't know how long it will be with them. If they lose in center, then the sarkaar in KTK may also fall if some guys are bought and made to resign on some issue, then it will lead to another election.
So, division of AP does not make much sense from kongi perspective.
If TRS allies with kongis, then lotus and TDP may be the beneficiary. Because the voters of TRS may go to lotus if it allies with kongis while TDP will retain its voters. If TRS does not go with kongis, then lotus would be the looser. Either way, I think kongis are loosers. It seems to me that anyone who allies with kongis will also be a loser & only losers are allying with kongis. Anyway, I think KCR is being over-rated. It seems to me that TDP will perform well in T. It would be interesting to see who will be projected as the CM of T from TDP for polls.
Also, KCR is very similar to Fordriwal. If he does get power, he is likely to cut and run or lose his halo. So, far, he has been cleverer/luckier than Fordriwal in not taking up any position of responsibility and concentrating on being only criticizer.
It seems KCR had previously been labour minister and that may have given him links to labour groups which he seems to have used during his 'agitation' period to prop himself up. Many of the labour unions in T seem to have supported the separate state. That may be due to the previous stint as labour minister.
If the kongis seriously wanted to neutralize KCR, they could have given him a straight-forward chance to rule AP and then pulled the plug like it happened to Fordriwal.
Re: AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections
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Re: AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections
Telangana will be born on June 2
NEW DELHI: Telangana, the country's 29th state, will be born on June 2 and start functioning from that day.
A home ministry spokesperson said on Tuesday night that the Foundation Day of the new state will be June 2 when Telangana will come into existence and start functioning as a separate state.
The central government has already issued a gazette notification on the formation of the 29 th state of the country.
This came after Parliament gave its approval on February 20 for the creation of Telangana by bifurcating Andhra Pradesh.
The declaration of the "Appointed Day" or the foundation day came a day before the Election Commission's proposed announcement of the schedule of the general election.
The EC may announce a separate schedule for assembly elections in Telangana and residuary Andhra Pradesh.
Hyderabad will be the joint capital of the two states for 10 years.
The Union Cabinet had on Sunday given its nod to accord special category status to the residuary state of Seemandhra for five years.
The central government's proposals for the residuary state include a six-point development package for Seemandhra like tax incentives among other concessions.
Re: AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections
JohneeG, Thanks for the good overall summary of the historic parallels to partition of Bengal and the demise of British Empire in India. Only no one saw it like that in those days. Same way hopefully the Brown EIC will also die off with AP.
Re: AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections
However we have lost Bengal now. Post independence only if some(or a few say) Tulus could have moved to Bengal instead, things might have been different perhaps.ramana wrote:JohneeG, Thanks for the good overall summary of the historic parallels to partition of Bengal and the demise of British Empire in India. Only no one saw it like that in those days. Same way hopefully the Brown EIC will also die off with AP.