Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 08 Mar 2014 04:48

This Ravish Kumar has been conducting very nice debates recently.

प्राइम टाइम : देश का नेता कैसा हो?

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/prime- ... o-featured

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 08 Mar 2014 05:01

Sushma no bar for merger

New Delhi, March 7: The BJP appears set to firm up its merger with the BSR Congress in Karnataka, headed by a scam-stung leader, despite the objections raised by Lok Sabha Opposition leader Sushma Swaraj.

Sushma and L.K. Advani reiterated their reservations to party president Rajnath Singh when they met him today.

Karnataka BJP leaders stressed they “very much” want the merger to be formalised “at the earliest” and said some of them would be in the national capital tomorrow to speak to Sushma and try and “convince” her.

BJP sources said the leaders were going through the same rituals of “speaking over and over again” with Sushma, as they had when she and Advani had put their foot down on B.S. Yeddyurappa’s re-entry. If she remained “unmoved”, they would go ahead and announce the merger.

Underlying the strategy to rope in ostensibly “marginal” players like the BSR Congress is the view that although several states may be “awash in the Modi wave”, the BJP would have to focus on each and every Lok Sabha seat to “maximise” its “returns” from the supposed wave.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1140308/j ... xpbVdvoFUE

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 08 Mar 2014 05:16

As i have said in past, by keeping quiet when Hindu terror was manufactured to harras RSS Luteyan BJP made big mistake. They will get culled and nothing can save them. If i were one of them, i will go underground untill 2019.

RSS signal: make way for youngsters

So far, the BJP leadership’s view was that if Advani wished to contest again from Gandhinagar, “nobody would try and stop him”. “However, if he voluntarily opts out, nobody will persuade him to reconsider his decision either,” a source said.

Regarding Joshi, it was learnt that the BJP’s parliamentary board would take the last call. It was also let on that Modi would contest from only one Lok Sabha seat and a constituency from Uttar Pradesh was being “seriously looked at”.

Hosabale also endorsed Modi in reply to a query on how the Sangh regarded him. “Regarding Modi, we are of the view that he is Sangh’s swayamsevak and, of course, a very capable person who has proved himself in Gujarat.”

The RSS had “blessed” Modi’s elevation in May 2012, when its brass refused to intervene and retain pracharak Sanjay Joshi in the BJP. Joshi and Modi were at daggers drawn and the latter made his ouster a condition for attending the Mumbai meet.

Bhagwat was also reportedly unsympathetic to another Modi adversary, Keshubhai Patel, when he floated a new party before the Gujarat polls, although his personal relations with Patel were supposedly “good”.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1140308/j ... xpgKtvoFUE

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 08 Mar 2014 05:26

fanne wrote:I saw the video of Amit Shah vs Sisodia vs DS. It did not appear to me that BJP did good, at best a tie or advantage AAP.

I thought AAP won, because BJP was forced on the back foot all the time. BJP should refuse if AAP is present in such meetings.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 08 Mar 2014 06:18

US signals change, says Modi will get visa if he becomes PM

http://m.timesofindia.com/india/US-sign ... m=referral

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 08 Mar 2014 06:27

Rakhi Sawant Zindabad. Jor se bolor...Rakhi Sawant Zindabad. BJP has to let her lose on AAP. The 'naari shakti' in BJP is mind-boggling. It is like the stars are aligning: Meenakshi, Lalitha, Nirmala, Uma, Raje, Smrit....and now Rakhi. If Jayalalitha does a post poll alliance. Then Modi would like a Krishna onlee.

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 08 Mar 2014 07:16

SwamyG wrote:
fanne wrote:I saw the video of Amit Shah vs Sisodia vs DS. It did not appear to me that BJP did good, at best a tie or advantage AAP.
I thought AAP won, because BJP was forced on the back foot all the time. BJP should refuse if AAP is present in such meetings.

BJP is a political party and it has no choice but to engage other parties and the people. What it needs is to control the conditions of the debate. Right now it is 3 or 4 people against one. The AAP, reputed journalist, Congress and the moderator gang up against the BJP representative. BJP has to start its own tv and news outlets. It has to compete for advertising dollars with ndtv, cnn-ibn etc and force some of them shut down. Without the congress govt. patronage, I am not sure how many of them will be solvent.

Gujarat is still part of India, not one of the rich countries. It inherited the legacy of 50 years of congress rule. Modi or anybody cannot undo all than in a decade. So there will always be things that the opposition can point out. But I am sure, the situation in congress ruled states is even worse. BJP should pick up such situations in congress ruled states and throw back at them.

Rakhi Sawant Zindabad. Jor se bolor...Rakhi Sawant Zindabad. BJP has to let her lose on AAP. The 'naari shakti' in BJP is mind-boggling. It is like the stars are aligning: Meenakshi, Lalitha, Nirmala, Uma, Raje, Smrit....and now Rakhi. If Jayalalitha does a post poll alliance. Then Modi would like a Krishna onlee.

Is Rakhi Sawant being on TV as official BJP representative? BJP should keep an arms distance to her officially, so that she can go on full blast at the others and still have no fall out on the BJP. Plausible deniability.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 08 Mar 2014 07:45

hanumadu wrote:Is Rakhi Sawant being on TV as official BJP representative? BJP should keep an arms distance to her officially, so that she can go on full blast at the others and still have no fall out on the BJP. Plausible deniability.

She mentioned clearly she has not joined BJP. She can with great aplomb strip (pun intended) down others. Check the link posted in the mobcracy thread. She called Kejriwal an "item boy" and worse than her.

Yes, I have been saying for a long time BJP has to dictate/demand the type of shows it will join. Sadly, BJP still has ways to go. Digvijay and Sisodia ganged upon Amit. Rahul Kanwal, for all his faults, at least joked about that ganging up and how Dijvijay was giving pointers to Sisodia in the program.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 08 Mar 2014 08:19

Ford Foundation gave money to Gujarat? And Modi accepted? http://storify.com/AamAadmiParty/ford-f ... rder=false

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 08 Mar 2014 08:19

hanumadu wrote: Is Rakhi Sawant being on TV as official BJP representative? BJP should keep an arms distance to her officially, so that she can go on full blast at the others and still have no fall out on the BJP. Plausible deniability.

Problem is MSM looks to always have 1 BJP speaker and 3 anti-BJP speakers (AAP/Congi/"senior journalist") who will be allowed to gang up on BJP and drown it out. Rakhi Sawant may not be allowed to bat on BJP side as an independent and the only way to ensure she gives her dialogue may be to have her as a BJP representative. I would not be surprised if her dialogue is already vetted by BJP. It would be great if she could get airtime as an independent though.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 08 Mar 2014 08:21

People shout "Modi Modi" Chants in Rahul Gandhi's Dhule, Maharashtra Road Show on 05.03.2014

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 08 Mar 2014 08:35

gandharva wrote:US signals change, says Modi will get visa if he becomes PM

http://m.timesofindia.com/india/US-sign ... m=referral

Modi should never visit the usa officially or privately even if he becomes pm.
there r many others more deserving of state visits like asean,soko,Japan,saarc,east Africa etc

neither we need to invite potus

just have trade transactional relations that's all

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 08 Mar 2014 08:57

Victor wrote:
hanumadu wrote: Is Rakhi Sawant being on TV as official BJP representative? BJP should keep an arms distance to her officially, so that she can go on full blast at the others and still have no fall out on the BJP. Plausible deniability.
Problem is MSM looks to always have 1 BJP speaker and 3 anti-BJP speakers (AAP/Congi/"senior journalist") who will be allowed to gang up on BJP and drown it out. Rakhi Sawant may not be allowed to bat on BJP side as an independent and the only way to ensure she gives her dialogue may be to have her as a BJP representative. I would not be surprised if her dialogue is already vetted by BJP. It would be great if she could get airtime as an independent though.

That is why BJP should have its own media outlets.

hanumadu wrote:BJP has to start its own tv and news outlets. It has to compete for advertising dollars with ndtv, cnn-ibn etc and force some of them shut down. Without the congress govt. patronage, I am not sure how many of them will be solvent.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 08 Mar 2014 09:19

It is easy to split the media. One only has to have the courage and decision making ability. For example, pick TimesNow from the English media, and boycott ALL other English media outlets. Do it for a week, and check the reaction from public, cadres and supporters. If it is negative slowly release spokespeople to them as well. Of course keep participants in the non-English channels, but ensure there are 2 supporters at the minimum. Else deny participation.

English Media needs Modi now than the other way around.

SanjayC · Post by **SanjayC** » 08 Mar 2014 09:30

SwamyG wrote:I thought AAP won, because BJP was forced on the back foot all the time. BJP should refuse if AAP is present in such meetings.

With just a couple of months or less to go for elections, BJP should avoid all media debates now, especially those that appear fixed by anti-BJP channels. Only direct outreach to people through televised speeches, chai pe charcha, etc. should be done. Cong and AAP and media strategy is to call the BJP into pit frequently where pigs can be let loose on them, resulting in a public spectacle, which will harm the image of BJP. These TV channel "conclaves" and "face the people" shows run on oxygen of BJP presence. Once BJP is not present in these shows, nobody will watch the isolated ramblings of AAP and Cong.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 08 Mar 2014 09:31

Singha wrote:Modi should never visit the usa officially or privately even if he becomes pm.
there r many others more deserving of state visits like asean,soko,Japan,saarc,east Africa etc
neither we need to invite potus
just have trade transactional relations that's all

Absolutely. I am not sure exactly how visits serve the commoners other than a show put up by the channels and charge big bucks for ads. Waste of tax money, especially when all businesses are cutting on travel by allowing people to work from home. These heads of state too can work from "home".

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 08 Mar 2014 09:42

Why BJP is sending their top leaders to such debates? I just cant understand the tactics. It is all going well till now. Just 1 more month to go then why mess up people's mind in the last moment? If they really want to represent then send Rakhi Sawant to all those debates. moron vs moron and nobody wins. But BJP must stop this nonsense. I mean c'mon guys, wtf, you can think better than this. There is too much at stake. Not only for the BJP but for the entire nation. Think harder.

Santosh · Post by **Santosh** » 08 Mar 2014 09:42

Singha wrote:Modi should never visit the usa officially or privately even if he becomes pm.
there r many others more deserving of state visits like asean,soko,Japan,saarc,east Africa etc

neither we need to invite potus

just have trade transactional relations that's all

+1. Need to create our own set of friends whose interests align with our interests. Japan, SoKo, Vietnam etc.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 08 Mar 2014 10:54

abhijitm wrote:Why BJP is sending their top leaders to such debates? I just cant understand the tactics. It is all going well till now. Just 1 more month to go then why mess up people's mind in the last moment? If they really want to represent then send Rakhi Sawant to all those debates. moron vs moron and nobody wins. But BJP must stop this nonsense. I mean c'mon guys, wtf, you can think better than this. There is too much at stake. Not only for the BJP but for the entire nation. Think harder.

I think they still living in early 90s and going to TV studios is considered privilage.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 08 Mar 2014 12:18

Singha wrote:
gandharva wrote:US signals change, says Modi will get visa if he becomes PM

http://m.timesofindia.com/india/US-sign ... m=referral
Modi should never visit the usa officially or privately even if he becomes pm.
there r many others more deserving of state visits like asean,soko,Japan,saarc,east Africa etc

neither we need to invite potus

just have trade transactional relations that's all

I suggested downgrading US Embassy and Consulates in India to just Trade Representative status, just like Taiwan. Even Modi says in the future diplomacy is all about Trade Diplomacy.

After Devyani Khobragade, there needed to be consequences. US wanted to humiliate India. Fine! They got what they wanted. We were humiliated. Let's learn the lesson, and tell them Indian embassy staff is going back to India, and they should take back their staff as well.

If India needs, we can have a lobby firm in USA take over the political work - outsourcing! If US wants to talk at a higher level, our representatives at the UN Mission can do the talking.

But USA should feel the slap of reducing the superpower to only trade and tourism by the largest democracy in the world.

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 08 Mar 2014 12:53

gandharva wrote:Metro man E Sreedharan endorses Modi

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/metro-man-e- ... 26-37.html

He is right. Decision making process in India takes very long time as well as they are done taking in to account up to 20 years planning, while western and rest of the world planners usually do planning with 100 years horizon and move very quickly once the plan is approved. This means our public is forever living in some form of construction zone expanding all the time. I don't know how hard it is to make a system transparent. It is very easy to lay down a work tracking IT system in everything government does. This will mean that there is very less chance of corruption as well as delays blighting development. What is wrong in asking a normal housing society to fund half of the construction cost of building the inner roads of the society with tar or other long lasting material ?

The decision making process in India is also poor because when something goes wrong the blame is on system and officials while neta is out doing his days job. Accountability does not come from highest point. Jan Lokpal should address this concern.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 08 Mar 2014 13:00

member_28352 · Post by **member_28352** » 08 Mar 2014 13:11

^^^She can join AAP for all I care. Enough of her shenanigans in Delhi. Starting with mundan and bhuk hartal to ostensibly prevent SG from becoming PM to various other floor coordination activities with INC ending with Hindu Marriage Amendment and AP division. If she goes to AAP she will harm both herself and Khujliwal. Somebody should instigate her to go to AAP.

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 08 Mar 2014 13:19

gandharva wrote:US signals change, says Modi will get visa if he becomes PM

http://m.timesofindia.com/india/US-sign ... m=referral

He he do they have a choice ? I mean if I were modi and pm with majority, the first thing I will do is dug up American filth around the world by its government from their 300 years history and then add their present human rights violations from around the world and ban khan president the visa. That would be the first in the world I guess. Oh by the way, as long as world trade is in US dollars, no country in the world and I mean no one can even challenge the supremacy of US in banging the world no matter however big and virile others will be. Simple economics. The person who tries to screw the trades in US dollars are screwed, Saddam, Gaddafi and now Putin as he has taken serious steps to trade in non US dollars. There is serious need in the world to have reserves in other currencies. BRICS bank and bond can very well create an alternative to western economic hegemony. The only reason Yuan will not be global currency is because of communism and khans know that and hence do nothing to bring democracy in China ! Z(s)imple but true.

Vipin_Upadhyay · Post by **Vipin_Upadhyay** » 08 Mar 2014 14:45

BJP has released second list of 52 candidates today.

the reason Sushma is pissed could be because NaMo has gone ahead with declaration of BSY contesting on BJP ticket.

The only bad choice is Ananth Kumar against Nanadan Nilenkani from Bangalore. Presence of LKA was a factor, Ananth Kumar is useless on his own.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 08 Mar 2014 15:45

Vote for AAP will help BJP, Muslims told

A clutch of Muslim activists on Thursday urged the community not to vote for the AAP in the Lok Sabha election, saying it would benefit the BJP.

The exhortation came at the launch of a campaign called Sach Ka Safar — the brainchild of former Congress MLA Yusuf Abrahani — at the Islam Gymkhana near Marine Lines.

"I am among the strongest critics of Congress which has failed Muslims on many counts, but AAP cannot be an alternative," social and human rights activist Shabnam Hashmi said. "Every vote that goes to the AAP will make the job of the BJP easier."

AAP has claimed Muslims will vote for it as they are fed up with the Congress' identity politics and do not trust the BJP.

The campaign is aimed at around two dozen constituencies across the state and a few in Bihar and Uttar Pradesh.

She also opposed famous activist Medha Patkar's decision to fight elections on AAP ticket. "Medha has betrayed us. She feels tired and now wants to be in Parliament. It is a misstep on her part," she said.

Hashmi whom activist and programme anchor Saeed Khan introduced as "a brave woman" for fighting for the riot victims in Gujarat and elsewhere in the country, also attacked Muslims who advocated that the BJP was no longer untouchable for Muslims, especially after its president Rajnath Singh "apologized" for the Gujarat 2002 riots. The audience echoed loudly when she said "I am not going to forgive."

Salim Alware of AAP dismissed the activists' charge and said his party would damage the BJP more than the Congress.

Tushar Gandhi, activist and great grandson of Mahatma Gandhi, while asked the organizers of Sach Ka Safar to broadbase it, saying that India was at a crossroads and the very democratic structure of the country was at stake. Without naming the Congress, Gandhi and asked the community not to spoil their votes advising to "Vote for one party."

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 08 Mar 2014 16:04

sushma challenges modi wave in BJP meeting and dares people to contest from their own seat (aajtak)

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 08 Mar 2014 16:14

IndraD wrote:sushma challenges modi wave in BJP meeting and dares people to contest from their own seat (aajtak)

Then she should win from Haryana or Delhi.

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 08 Mar 2014 16:22

matrimc wrote:
Singha wrote:Modi should never visit the usa officially or privately even if he becomes pm.
there r many others more deserving of state visits like asean,soko,Japan,saarc,east Africa etc
neither we need to invite potus
just have trade transactional relations that's all
Absolutely. I am not sure exactly how visits serve the commoners other than a show put up by the channels and charge big bucks for ads. Waste of tax money, especially when all businesses are cutting on travel by allowing people to work from home. These heads of state too can work from "home".

Do not deny burkha the opportunity to report from the north lawns of the White House.

http://www.mediacrooks.com/2013/12/amer ... xr-b_sgGSM

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 08 Mar 2014 18:31

Re. Chai Pe Charcha

The connections to some places are not good. Hope they start maintaining more than one lines of communication to the various places.

BJP should be doing a dry run for all its IT contact initiatives before they unfold the thing on TV. Esp. the holographic addresses besides these televised Chai-Pe-Charcha.

NaMo acted smart by giving time for people watching to digest things and provided a good background to his answers but that was more of an improvisation of the slack in the system.

Also the participants should be prepped properly otherwise they keep repeating "Modi ji namaste".

And a lot of participants raised the same questions on Mahila Suraksha. Repeats take the time away from other possible questions. It could serve the purpose better by making sure a coordinator is entrusted with the responsibility to monitor this avoidable issue.

Wish somebody would listen.

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 08 Mar 2014 18:42

gandharva wrote:

NDTV alert says, Sushma Swaraj did not send any tweet on Modi wave, so they apologise for sending a wrong news alert!
The Frustrated Indian

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 08 Mar 2014 19:01

NaMo took the SMS suggestion of RM ji but applied it in a different context. Says he would like to see the households linked up with service providers (like plumbers) so both benefit without having to waste any of their time/money and least amount of aggravation. Just ideating off course.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 08 Mar 2014 19:12

The lady from London probably just gave a great Manifesto point to BJP. 52 wk maternity+child care holiday compulsory. Bang.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 08 Mar 2014 20:21

VinodTK wrote:
gandharva wrote:
NDTV alert says, Sushma Swaraj did not send any tweet on Modi wave, so they apologise for sending a wrong news alert!
The Frustrated Indian

NDTV tweet was something else. Like, Sushma saying if there is wave why Modi wants to fight from UP or something like that.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 08 Mar 2014 20:22

This should have happened long back but for D4s like Arun J.

Press : Boycott of NDTV

http://www.bjp.org/media-resources/pres ... VU.twitter

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 08 Mar 2014 20:35

^^^
good never too late. Right timing

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 08 Mar 2014 20:38

Perfect. Been saying it for a long time. Just pick TimesNow. Boycott rest of eMSM. Split the media. Make them eat from your hands.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 08 Mar 2014 20:41

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 08 Mar 2014 20:44

if the AAP cannot get 20 LS seats and play the troop of monkey act in parliament (disrupting everything), will their backers and media admirers still be willing to support?
prakash karat was the darling of the 2004-2009 phase when he had control over INC staying in power. post 2009 he disappeared from the media.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 08 Mar 2014 20:55

AAP leader Yogendra Yadav's face smeared with ink at Delhi event

New Delhi: Senior Aam Aadmi Party leader Yogendra Yadav's face was smeared with ink by a 38-year-old attacker during an event in Delhi today. (Watch)

The attack happened while Mr Yadav was addressing supporters at a Women's Day event at Jantar Mantar in the national capital.

The attacker, Sagar Bhandari, sporting the trademark AAP cap and badge, came from behind and smeared Mr Yadav's face with ink before he was removed by furious AAP activists.

The party workers then roughed up the man, who reportedly used to work at an AAP office in Delhi. The attacker has been admitted to a hospital.

"I don't know who he was or why he did this. He only said, 'Bharat Mata ki jai'," Mr Yadav, who is his party's candidate from Gurgaon for the Lok Sabha election, said after the attack.