archan wrote:"hashiye pe" means being on the verge - the fence sitters. Can also mean "marginalized ones".
"hashiye pe" means marginalized. "hansia" in hindi means margins around the page. The typical NGO talk is "we 99% aam aadmi are marginalized" . I know for sure as I attend too many NGO meetings.
Basically , NGO owners talk about "marginalized people" to attract the committed youth and waste their time in slogan shouting etc. They get money based on how much time and energy they wasted away.
Standard Aaptard response will be on the following lines:
1. Political parties own TV channels
2. Even Modi dictates terms of interview
3. All politics target some votebank
4. We only wanted to appeal to marginalized sections
5. All parties want their best foot forward and put those terms to the media incl Modi.
Regarding the above posts - BJP cadre need to help people get on the voters list. The NaMo wave is useless otherwise. INC will use every trick they can to prevent BJP frm getting votes including removing people from voters list. So BJP needs to make sure their voters are not left high and dry!
THIS IS GOLD!!
Kejru : That part is very theoretical, the part on corporates that you were talking about, thats why i did not go into it. The middle class will go anti because of it. if we say we are anti privatisation or if we are against companies. thats why i am purposely not going into that debate
Other than that, you can ask.
Prasun : And the 80% of the people who are XXXX (did not understand this part 'hashiye pe'), you (Kejri) go into that, thats that actual VOTEBANK right all over the country !
Kejri: Absolutely. I forgot to say that, i will say that now
Prasun : yea say that WE are doing this for them
Kejri : I dont want to say that this is being done by all the private sector people, and that all the governments that come take commission from them. so we should reject private sector. that is not right
Kejri : Was that ok ?
Prasun : (in a nauseating patronising 'we are fooling them together' type of tone) .. verrry revolutionary .. very revolutionary indeed.
Kejri : Run that part more
Prasun: it will run by itself. i was impressed. by that bhagat singh part. that will get a lot of good reaction
(Note the Bhagat Singh Photo in the background and Kejriwal photo with the same pose next to it)
I think even the AK and PPB has conspiracy written all over it. Did they not know cameras were on? PPB looks at the camera couple of times even. I am suspicious that it was staged.
archan wrote:Sure, such a thread can be had in an open forum as well. Any help the forum can provide with getting people registered is a good contribution to the nation.
Yes, please start a sticky thread in the forums with information. The only restriction is NO vote canvassing for any particular party in that thread. All that stuff stays in the threads here in GDF only.
NEW DELHI: Indian politicians are expected to spend around $5 billion on campaigning for elections next month - a sum second only to the most expensive US presidential campaign of all time - in a splurge that could give India's floundering economy a temporary boost.India's campaign spend, which can include cash stuffed in envelopes as well as multi-million-dollar ad campaigns, has been estimated at 300 billion rupees ($4.9 billion) by the Centre for Media Studies, which tracks spending.That is triple the expenditure the centre said was spent on electioneering in the last national poll in 2009 - partly a reflection of a high-octane campaign by pro-business opposition candidate for prime minister, Narendra Modi, who started nationwide rallies and advertising last year.
“They started much before, and they are also focusing on states where they are traditionally not strong. They are leaving no area untouched,” said N. Bhaskara Rao, chairman of the Centre for Media Studies.India's projected campaign spending is only rivalled by the $7 billion spent by candidates, parties and support groups in the 2012 US presidential race, the world's most expensive,according to data provided by the US election commission.Spending on previous Indian elections have benefited a wide range of businesses, from media groups and advertisers that rake in campaign-ad revenues to consumer-based firms that capitalise indirectly on the overall jump in spending, such as motor-bike manufacturers and brewers like United Spirits.India's advertising industry expects to see an $800 million injection during the election season, according to an outlook by the country's largest local agency, Madison Media. That should benefit media firms, such as DB Corp, which owns the high-circulation Hindi language daily Dainik Bhaskar.
CASH HIDDEN IN NEWSPAPERS
Much of India's campaign spend will remain in its thriving black economy.Rules allow candidates to spend 7 million rupees ($114,000)on campaigns for a parliament seat but the real cost of winning is about 10 times that, thanks to spending on rallies, fuel and media campaigns that often include payments for coverage.Indian politicians regularly bribe voters with cash pay outs or alcohol to secure their support. R
MODI FUNDRAISING
Narendra Modi's Bharatiya Janata Party, or BJP, got off to an early start in campaigning, pushing into the south where the BJP is weak and has avoided spending money in the past.Modi's BJP-led coalition has a strong lead over the ruling Congress party in opinion polls, but it is unlikely to win an outright majority.Some of Modi's fundraising is led by a seven-member team,including Deepak Kanth, a former investment banker previously with Citibank in London. This team has organized an online fund-raising drive in India and is also targeting donations from wealthy Indians living in Hong Kong and Singapore.This team has only raised $4 million, a party source said,but shows how far Modi is casting his net for campaign funds.
No more than 25 seats for NDA from MH, now.. things can still be turned around, but workers are not enthusiastic in the interiors. Even swayamsevaks are embarrassed of campaigning for BJP, in Konkan. Everyone knows namo, everyone likes namo but hardly any enthusiastic flutter seen.
Atri ji, Is NCP-INC tie up done deal? Any idea why talks between RT and NaMo broke down? Looks like BJP gave in to SS demands and angered RT. MH Vidhan Sabha elections now seem to be along similar lines - unless NCP aligns with MNS and dumps INC.
BJP should have offered Raj Thackeray an unopposed fight (ie no BJP or SS) in 3 or 4 winnable seats in exchange for MNS not contesting in any of the other seats. The rest of the seats could then be shared out between SS and BJP. That way all 3 parties win. As it stand the MNS will not win any seats but will definitely split the anti INC-NCP vote.
The Singh Bullshitt-czar ,serf to the great Roman Queen,Sonia-the-Handout (to grasp and to give) ,gave a great banquet for a thousand of his nobles and drank wine with them. While the Singh Bullshitt-czar was drinking his wine, he gave orders to bring in the gold and silver goblets that the Congress fore-fathers had taken from the temples of the people, so that the king and his nobles, his wives and his concubines might drink from them.
So they brought in the gold goblets that had been taken from the temples of the people of India, and the Singh and his nobles, his wives and his concubines drank from them. As they drank the wine, they praised the gods of gold and silver, of bronze, iron, wood and stone.
Suddenly the fingers of a human hand appeared and wrote on the plaster of the wall, near the lampstand in the royal palace. The Singh watched the hand as it wrote. His face turned pale and he was so frightened that his legs became weak and his knees were knocking and his turban fell off.
The king summoned the enchanters, astrologers and diviners. Then he said to these wise men of New Delhi, “Whoever reads this writing and tells me what it means will be clothed in purple and have a gold chain placed around his neck, and he will be made the third highest ruler in the kingdom.”
Then all the Singh’s wise men came in, but they could not read the writing or tell the Singh what it meant.So Singh Bullshitt-czar became even more terrified and his face grew more pale. His nobles were baffled.
The Queen, hearing the afeared voices of the Singh and his nobles, came into the banquet hall. “May the Singh live forever!” (until the Clown Prince is ready) she said. “Don’t be alarmed! Don’t look so pale! There is a man in your kingdom who has the spirit of the holy gods in him. In the time of my family's forefathers he was found to have insight and intelligence and wisdom like that of the gods. Our forefathers, appointed him chief of the magicians, enchanters, astrologers and diviners. He did this because Denial,was found to have a keen mind and knowledge and understanding, and also the ability to interpret dreams, explain riddles and solve difficult problems. Call for Denial, and he will tell you what the writing means.”
So Denial was brought before the Singh, and the Singh said to him, “Are you Denial, one of the exiles my Congress forefathers bought from Judas? I have heard that the spirit of the gods is in you and that you have insight, intelligence and outstanding wisdom.The wise men and enchanters were brought before me to read this writing and tell me what it means, but they could not explain it.Now I have heard that you are able to give interpretations and to solve difficult problems. If you can read this writing and tell me what it means, you will be clothed in purple and have a gold chain placed around your neck, and you will be made the third highest ruler in the kingdom.”
Then Denial answered the Singh, “You may keep your gifts for yourself and give your rewards to someone else. Nevertheless, I will read the writing for the Singh and tell him what it means.
Your Majesty, the Most High God and his People gave your forefathers of the Congress sovereignty and greatness and glory and splendor. Because of the high position he gave him, all the nations and peoples of every language dreaded and feared him. Those the Singh needed to put to death, he did not put to death; those he needed to punish, he spared; those he wanted to promote, he promoted; and those who deserved praise, he humbled.But when his heart became arrogant and hardened with pride, he was deposed from his royal throne and stripped of his glory.He was driven away from people and given the mind of an animal; he lived with the wild donkeys and ate grass like the ox; and his body was drenched with the dew of heaven, until he acknowledged that the Most High God and his People are sovereign over all kingdoms on earth and sets over them anyone he wishes.
“But you, Bullshit-czar,have not trained the son,have not vacated your throne for him, though you knew all this. Instead, you have set yourself up against the Queen of Rome . You had the goblets from her temple brought to you, and you and your nobles, your wives and your concubines drank wine from them. You praised the gods of silver and gold, of bronze, iron, wood and stone, which cannot see or hear or understand. But you did not honor the Queen who holds in her hand your life and all your ways.Therefore he sent the 'hand' that wrote the inscription.
“This is the inscription that was written:
"mine, mine, take-all,no-sin"
“Here is what these words mean:
Mine: Selfish man,God has numbered the days of your reign and brought it to an end.
Take-all: You and your cronies took all.You have been weighed on the scales and found wanting.
No-Sin: That's what you think! Your kingdom is divided and given to the Modis and his Persuasions.”
Then at Bullshitt-czar’s enraged command, Denial was clothed in rags, a chain was placed around his neck,and he was proclaimed the thirdmost enemy in the kingdom (after Modi and Kejriwal).
That very night Bullshit-czar, king of the New-Delhians, was slain, and Modi the Gujarati took over the kingdom, at the age of sixty-three.
PS: The writing on the wall is scaring many of Singh Bullshitt-czar's merry men.
Stung by condemnation from all sides in the country,the much hated patron saint of the armed forces,is throwing in his dhoti-announced that he will not stand for election,and is assumed to be shortly returning by flight to paradise ,"God's own country",Kerala! There amongst the other angelic figures-his kith and kin,St.Anthony secretly nurtures hopes of becoming the archangel of God's own Country (GOC) yet again at the next ecclesiastical congress of the holy men of GOC.He has correctly deciphered the "writing on the wall" ,the "moving finger" that has writ in the halls of Neo-Babylon (New Delhi),where the King ,Singh Bulshitt-czar, serf to the Roman Queen Sonia, rules precariously.His kingdom will shortly be taken from him and divided to the Modis and his Persuasions!
go to your booth. A booth level verification officer should be there today.
I check the status of my voter id application and it says
Verified,Found Correct-May be Accepted
I applied for it when I had visited India in November 2013. I have a plan to go to India and vote in April.
Anyone knows what I should do now to make sure my name is in the rolls?
go to your booth. A booth level verification officer should be there today.
I check the status of my voter id application and it says
Verified,Found Correct-May be Accepted
I applied for it when I had visited India in November 2013. I have a plan to go to India and vote in April.
Anyone knows what I should do now to make sure my name is in the rolls?
if you know what polling booth you are from, you can search your name in the pdf of the electoral rolls of your booth, to make sure your name is there.
sunnyP wrote:BJP should have offered Raj Thackeray an unopposed fight (ie no BJP or SS) in 3 or 4 winnable seats in exchange for MNS not contesting in any of the other seats. The rest of the seats could then be shared out between SS and BJP. That way all 3 parties win. As it stand the MNS will not win any seats but will definitely split the anti INC-NCP vote.
Apparently, the BJP convinced Raj to have a seat-sharing pact with the NDA. Uddhav was ok with it... but told the BJP to allot seats to the MNS from its share of 26 seats.
It's a clever move by Raj to declare his support for Modi. There has been a realisation, to an extent, amongst NDA voters that Raj split the anti-Congress votes in the LS and VS elections. But some of them will be swayed by his declaration yesterday. Bala Nandgaonkar will be a formidable candidate in Mumbai South.
BhairavP wrote:Whom should I vote for? Bala Nandgaonkar or a Sena unknown, Arvind Sawant? Mucho confusion onlee..
For Vidhan Sabha, look at party/candidate. For Lok Sabha look at Modi. We owe it to ourselves to have atleast 5 straight years of nationalist and progressive government.
Ajit, Why did RT not take a 4 seats alloted to him from BJP quota.
BhairavP wrote:Whom should I vote for? Bala Nandgaonkar or a Sena unknown, Arvind Sawant? Mucho confusion onlee..
vote for shivsena all the way.. as long as they are with BJP.
there is going to be an internal war between SS and BJP in this election. Keep eyes focused on namo. any vote to MNS is vote to deora. people are going to realize that and vote for bow&arrow. BJP will take the hit in MMR region for now SS either may try to actively sabotage BJP's chances (unlikely) or remain inactive. But Modi wave will negate this. This was the price to be paid for moves BJP made.
Santosh wrote:Ajit, Why did RT not take a 4 seats alloted to him from BJP quota.
I don't know whether the BJP offered him those seats without similar concessions from the Sena. This is a quarrel in the Thackeray family. Why should the BJP sacrifice those seats when the Sena isn't ready to do it? Both brothers are not ready to compromise. The NDA has suffered because the Shiv Sena couldn't keep its house in order in Mumbai and Kokan.
If the MNS had joined the alliance, the RPI would have raised a stink. The BJP also had to consider the impact, if any, it would have had in Bihar.
For now, there is no option but to continue in alliance with the SS and exploit the breach that Raju Shetty has made in the NCP stronghold.
@atri -you seem to be from MH, can you pls explain why is BJP not depending on SS, traditional ally? why are they at door of MNS, aren't SS & MNS opposed to each other? Why succumb to arm twisting by MNS? Why this mish mash of 'will contest election but support modi after'? Which side is MNS on? confusing and insulting for BJP
I think even the AK and PPB has conspiracy written all over it. Did they not know cameras were on? PPB looks at the camera couple of times even. I am suspicious that it was staged.
Highly possible. Later prove video fake like " where does the screen appear from". Claim it is doctored, which it maybe at some lab. It would be impossible to prove concretely that BJP/ Modi did not doctor the video. Every rally TV channel Aaj Tak included will scream video doctored and dish out lab reports. BJP and their supporters must be very careful. These are very devious people. It's also very easy to get people with similar voice samples as AK and PPB and manipulate it. When it comes from the lab it will appear oh they not only doctored the video but the voice samples too. It would be a killing for AAP.
Self deleted. Message basically for BJP/Modi folks there will be lots of traps. Better to fight the elections on a platform that rises above those traps.
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^IndraD, the MNS acted as a major spoiler for the NDA in MMR and Nashik - 6 out of 7 seats in the MMR NDA + MNS votes were more than the Congress, yet the Congress won 7-0 due to division of votes. This is what the BJP wanted to avoid by speaking with the MNS
IndraD wrote:@atri -you seem to be from MH, can you pls explain why is BJP not depending on SS, traditional ally? why are they at door of MNS, aren't SS & MNS opposed to each other? Why succumb to arm twisting by MNS? Why this mish mash of 'will contest election but support modi after'? Which side is MNS on? confusing and insulting for BJP
Raj is on side of Sharad Pawar. That any MH-observer knows. The right question to ask is who's side is Sharad Pawar on? that only brahmadeva knows.. But what is known is that he is up to something - to consolidate his family, his caste-network in western Mh before he kicks the bucket. This requires him to screw INC to an extent. That he will do.
3) If If MNS cuts votes of Shiv Sena on Shiv Sena seats = > NCP Wins
4) If MNS cuts votes of Shiv Sena on Shiv Sena seats = > MNS Wins
5) If MNS cuts votes of Shiv Sena on Shiv Sena seats = > Shiv Sena Wins: LEAST HARMFUL
These two will happen. 4 will happen on one-two seats. 5 will happen on rest of the seats. There is possibility that 3 MAY happen, in case the understanding is not clear on ground level. And I do not think BJP will be that unhappy if this happens. suits with their vidarbha plan. It will be stupid in short and mid-term, but hey, we all know BJP is capable of immense stupidity, no?.. If BJP wins 19-20 seats and Sena is reduced to 6-7 (2 seats of shetty and jankar are mostly assured) - NDA 27-28. This won't screw the math of BJP of scoring 190-200 seats in north-west-central India (UP-BH-RJ-GJ-MH-JH-CG-MP-KN). But if they do, this will not materialize because SS will in turn help INC to screw BJP in their seats. I wish they keep their brains in right places. The fratricidal tendencies of my people are legendary. They have killed each other for generations because of a trivial dispute over elephant (Bhosale-Jadhav feud).
What I am worried about is BJP and Shiv sena screwing each other on few seats like they did in 2009. Even if they stay away from campaign and let the other party campaign on their own, still they will win. They can lose only if they sabotage each other. thats what happened in 2009 (both elections) and thats what I fear will happen now. I hope I am wrong on most of the seats.
Folks,
Chandan Mitra is contesting Hooghly for BJP. This is a man who was being sent to RS from various states (first he was nominated, then he was sent from MP). Now, for the first time in his life, he is contesting LS election from Hooghly. Can someone make sense of this? Why is an RS MP fighting an LS election? Is it because he will not be sent from MP again? Or is the BJP trying to raise the stakes in WB?
Also, wasn't the man a Vajpayee loyalist, who bought out Pioneer?
Chandragupta wrote:Raise the stakes in WB by pitching Chandan Mitra? ROFLMAO.
So why is he contesting Hooghly?
Saar, I have no idea if it is even true. I am just at the thought of Chandan Mitra raising any stakes. He would lose even if Hooghly as a safe seat for BJP.
BhairavP wrote:^Saar, which seats did they commit fratricide in 2009 in?
in 2009, it was masked under MNS-SS open feud. Worst was in 1998 Loksabha results and 1999 (assembly elections) and 2004 LS election. Just an example - How do you think a chutiya like Govinda won in Mumbai north constituency defeating Ram Naik? Post 1998, both these parties have shortchanged each other many times. BJP would mostly emerge loser.
Its been very erratic. In 1998 when they won 58 seats in UP, they won 10 seats in MH. At the height of RJB when huge number of the mosque demolishers came from MH, INC won 37 seats in MH. BJP-SS won 3-4 combined in 1991 which increased to 33 in 1996 and dropped to 10 in 1998.. What do you think happened?
its not that INC or NCP is getting stronger. NDA and hindutva vote is getting progressively divided.
2014 has potential to behave like or even excel 1996 polls in MH and UP.
Chandragupta wrote:
Saar, I have no idea if it is even true. I am just at the thought of Chandan Mitra raising any stakes. He would lose even if Hooghly as a safe seat for BJP.
It is true. It has already been announced in the BJP list. I don't understand why they picked Chandan Mitra to fight Hooghly. Why did he even agree? He always had a cushy RS seat. So why try to get in LS now?
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I think BJP mistake was to give Shiv Sena 22 seats for contesting in MH. 10-15 LS seats should have been enough. In Assembly one can of course accommodate more of Shiv Sena.
This way potential of MNS to cause damage would also have been limited.
Shiv Sena and MNS candidates should get together under BJP facilitators and discuss it out among themselves who should win where and who should put up only a token candidacy!
Chandragupta wrote:
Saar, I have no idea if it is even true. I am just at the thought of Chandan Mitra raising any stakes. He would lose even if Hooghly as a safe seat for BJP.
It is true. It has already been announced in the BJP list. I don't understand why they picked Chandan Mitra to fight Hooghly. Why did he even agree? He always had a cushy RS seat. So try to get in LS now?
If he wins, we will get a quantifiable data point proving Modi wave.
RajeshA wrote:I think BJP mistake was to give Shiv Sena 22 seats for contesting in MH. 10-15 LS seats should have been enough. In Assembly one can of course accommodate more of Shiv Sena.
This way potential of MNS to cause damage would also have been limited.
Shiv Sena and MNS candidates should get together under BJP facilitators and discuss it out among themselves who should win where and who should put up only a token candidacy!
Rajesh ji,
you are assuming that RT has NDA/India's interests in his mind. I doubt this assumption seriously. He is just another politician who wants to run his party and accumulate funds.
RajeshA wrote:I think BJP mistake was to give Shiv Sena 22 seats for contesting in MH. 10-15 LS seats should have been enough. In Assembly one can of course accommodate more of Shiv Sena.
This way potential of MNS to cause damage would also have been limited.
Shiv Sena and MNS candidates should get together under BJP facilitators and discuss it out among themselves who should win where and who should put up only a token candidacy!
Rajesh ji,
you are assuming that RT has NDA/India's interests in his mind. I doubt this assumption seriously. He is just another politician who wants to run his party and accumulate funds.
No my assumption was not that he has NDA/India's interests in mind.
My assumption too is that Raj Thakeray too is a politician and it would be beneficial for him to reach some understanding with Shiv Sena, so that both their losses can be minimized.
RajeshA wrote:
No my assumption was not that he has NDA/India's interests in mind.
My assumption too is that Raj Thakeray too is a politician and it would be beneficial for him to reach some understanding with Shiv Sena, so that both their losses can be minimized.
My guess is that he does not care if he loses all LS seats, his only focus is assembly polls. He puts up candidates in LS polls to collect hafta from pawar to use that in assembly polls. That is how cheap he is. There is do diff between him and vijaykanth.
RajeshA wrote:
No my assumption was not that he has NDA/India's interests in mind.
My assumption too is that Raj Thakeray too is a politician and it would be beneficial for him to reach some understanding with Shiv Sena, so that both their losses can be minimized.
My guess is that he does not care if he loses all LS seats, his only focus is assembly polls. He puts up candidates in LS polls to collect hafta from pawar to use that in assembly polls. That is how cheap he is. There is do diff between him and vijaykanth.
The marathi manoos understands that those who talk about marathas (NCP), pichhdes (INC) and marathi manoos (MNS+SS) are all deeply entrenched mafia cartels, they just do not have the freedom, to change anything. When I hear horror stories about what level of flesh trade encouraged in remote Pusad, it pains me, based on description sounded like the village when Amitabh returns after growing up in Agneepath, (women employed in cottage industry***, men employed in various institutes/farms/coops/etc.). Partial prosperity makes for an even tighter hold on society, since status quo is providing subsistence, and people do not want to risk revolution. So a UP can go from BJP to BSP to SP to BJP, but in MH, it never changes.
Please delete the post if it is inappropriate for the thread. The comment about RT collecting hafta triggered this response, everyone is collecting it, based on their hold.
that only brahmadeva knows.. But what is known is that he is up to something - to consolidate his family, his caste-network in western Mh before he kicks the bucket. This requires him to screw INC to an extent. That he will do.
at the thought of Chandan Mitra raising any stakes. He would lose even if Hooghly as a safe seat for BJP.