Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Mar 2014 23:54

As I said Congress tilll has themost snakes in teh grass.

Economic Times:

MMS worried he will go down like Narsimha Rao

While musing about his non-existent legacy which was based on serving the Congress President, he and his staff reveal their inner fears and mendacity.

Can be reposted in the MMS legacy thread.

So the guy is most afraid of NaMo. If he did no wrong then why worry?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Mar 2014 00:32

Modi reaches out to UT

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NDA's prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi stepped in and spoke to Sena supremo Uddhav Thackeray over the phone on Tuesday evening.

It is being reported that the two discussed alliance in Maharashtra. This comes on a day when Uddhav Thackeray had launched a strong attack on the BJP asking it to clear the stand on Maharashtra Navnirman Sena.

Meanwhile, BJP's Maharashtra in-charge Rajiv Pratap Rudy too met Uddhav and assured that all was well between the allies. Rudy said that the BJP and Shiv Sena would work together to make Narendra Modi the next PM.

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Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 12 Mar 2014 00:32

LokeshC wrote: The more contrary evidence you present to their beliefs the more they firm up their beliefs. There was a piskological study regarding this relating to Democrats and Republicans, I will post it here when I find it.

Also a study by sociology people on sociology researchers themselves which came yo the same conclusion.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Mar 2014 00:50

Mummyji called Modi, "Maut ka saudagar" and now Amulbaba compares Modi to Hitler. I guess showing off his English education!
Both comments are lies.
Some one should tell his to stop blabbering.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 12 Mar 2014 01:05

Chandragupta wrote:And why is Bhagwat ji putting his foot in his mouth at such an important junction? When he knows he will be quoted out of context and this has happened before already, he still willingly puts his foot in the mouth. I'm beginning to wonder whether all the Brahmin top brass of RSS unwillingly yielded to OBC Modi just to appease the rampaging ocean of foot workers who would not have taken a no for an answer.

Even at the risk of being misquoted, I think he did the right thing.

He drew a line between RSS and BJP. RSS is wed to an ideology, a program, and not to individuals. Individuals can be respected after their heyday or their death, but RSS should not become a cult.

RSS cannot allow itself to be attached to a political leader, simply because a political leader would be making many plays, many concessions, many postponements, many types of rhetoric suited to various audiences, and RSS cannot wed itself to a political leader completely. A political leader is fallible. RSS's program however cannot be fallible.

So what Bhagwat ji has said is completely right. RSS will help the nation put a nationalist into power, but RSS would not merge with any single leader.

This has nothing to do with Brahmin-OBC etc.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 12 Mar 2014 02:17

The timing is very wrong. It is like letting the PAIDMEDIA spreading LIES and more LIES. RSS should be smarter than that. Sometimes, I feel they dig their own grave

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 12 Mar 2014 02:20

vivek.rao wrote:The timing is very wrong. It is like letting the PAIDMEDIA spreading LIES and more LIES. RSS should be smarter than that. Sometimes, I feel they dig their own grave

Well it is up to the Sangh to put a positive spin to it or at least let the truth out.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 12 Mar 2014 03:29

Chandragupta wrote:And why is Bhagwat ji putting his foot in his mouth at such an important junction? When he knows he will be quoted out of context and this has happened before already, he still willingly puts his foot in the mouth. I'm beginning to wonder whether all the Brahmin top brass of RSS unwillingly yielded to OBC Modi just to appease the rampaging ocean of foot workers who would not have taken a no for an answer.

It's to deflect the arrow of "RSS Vs Cong" ie Secularism Vs Hindu communalism from Congress. And keep the elections on the plank of Modi ie Development vs Dole, Corruption etc.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Mar 2014 03:33

Congress is trying its best to shift focus on everything but development. They want to associate Modi with everything other than that.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 12 Mar 2014 03:44

ramana wrote:Mummyji called Modi, "Maut ka saudagar" and now Amulbaba compares Modi to Hitler. I guess showing off his English education!
Both comments are lies.
Some one should tell his to stop blabbering.

Amulbaba should know about Hitler and fascism. He is half-european and his own grandfather was an actual fascist. No doubt he has relatives who have first hand knowledge of fascism. Noteworthy that media doesn't consider these facts interesting, considering that amulbaba is telling Indians that Hitler's fault was nothing more or less than not consulting everyone.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Mar 2014 04:01

How about
Rahul Baba have first hand knowledge of Fascism for its in his family.

member_28442 · Post by **member_28442** » 12 Mar 2014 04:14

in rahul's speech i heard him say something to the effect of

"i dont want to put 1 chowkidaar*, i want to put thousands and lakhs of chowkidaars, all of you"

at that instant i remembered that yo yo honey singh song where he says "sawaari samaan ki ab khud zimmedaar hai" lol kind of like each man for himself.

*(watchman, in reference to namo's speeches)

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 12 Mar 2014 04:37

“In this overdrive to win over backward and Dalit leaders and reward them with seats of their choice, there is a real danger of annoying our natural supporters, the upper castes,” said a senior BJP leader.

Sources said the RSS has begun to get wary about the unusual backward-Dalit tilt in the party, fearing it could upset the upper castes. The reported statement of RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat that “it was not the RSS’s job to chant Namo Namo” is being seen as a damage-control measure.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1140312/j ... x-eL9voFUE

member_28502 · Post by **member_28502** » 12 Mar 2014 05:38

Sigh
when will we get rid of caste angle

Pahle jito phir bad me ladoo
na ji

MSM has a way to scuttle BJP and they (BJP) have a knack of losing from winning position

Is there hope?

member_28502 · Post by **member_28502** » 12 Mar 2014 05:43

amazing Cfair
has fair in her name (only) of course in skin color too as in Fair and Lovely cream?

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 12 Mar 2014 05:58

Sanjay welcome back. Long time no see....

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 12 Mar 2014 06:25

RajeshA wrote:
Chandragupta wrote:And why is Bhagwat ji putting his foot in his mouth at such an important junction? When he knows he will be quoted out of context and this has happened before already, he still willingly puts his foot in the mouth. I'm beginning to wonder whether all the Brahmin top brass of RSS unwillingly yielded to OBC Modi just to appease the rampaging ocean of foot workers who would not have taken a no for an answer.
Even at the risk of being misquoted, I think he did the right thing.

He drew a line between RSS and BJP. RSS is wed to an ideology, a program, and not to individuals. Individuals can be respected after their heyday or their death, but RSS should not become a cult.

RSS cannot allow itself to be attached to a political leader, simply because a political leader would be making many plays, many concessions, many postponements, many types of rhetoric suited to various audiences, and RSS cannot wed itself to a political leader completely. A political leader is fallible. RSS's program however cannot be fallible.

So what Bhagwat ji has said is completely right. RSS will help the nation put a nationalist into power, but RSS would not merge with any single leader.

This has nothing to do with Brahmin-OBC etc.

+1

the role of sangh is far different from that of BJP. It is a fact that in many parts, swayamsevaks (die-hard, three generations OBC types) are embarrassed to campaign for BJP (example being parts of MH where I have seen this personally). They do the sangha-kaarya but when campaigning for BJP, they are not that much enthusiastic. Reason being ABV's non-performance over RJB issue (yes, they understand the reasons but that is one time when RSS really rallied for BJP). People ask questions about RJB and swayamsevaks are silenced. In spite, swayamsevaks are campaigning for BJP earnestly because this time the issue is development. This allows them to subtly place the hindutva message in between pro-devpt talks.

the pratinidhi sabha is to understand the pulse of shakhas in various parts of desh. It may sound too "theoretical" but thats precisely the job of sangh - to provide theoretical backbone to the political maneuverings of its offshoot organizations. And that backbone is not affiliated OR owe allegiance to a person. In Sangh, the bhagwa dhwaja is the guru. Attributing caste motivations to sangh is really unfortunate and unwise. There has to be a balance throughout. It was sangh which ensured NaMo is made PM-candidate. Now that the campaign is heating up, due to the tsunamo, many unwarranted players are attracted towards and assimilated in BJP or NDA. There has to be a balancing voice from within - Think of it as the digesting process that Rajiv Malhotra speaks of. This time, unlike K.Sudarshan ji's era, Sangh won't let itself digested OR chewed out by NDA. The likes of Pramod mahajan who were swayamsevaks before and later the ones to abandon hindutva to be in power have taught many valuable lessons to sangh. This happened because BJP allowed itself to be digested to far greater extent in delhi's nehruvian environ. This time, they really have chance to resist that digestion and permanently change the environ itself (if not completely, at least partially). The focus has to stay. And the focus was always ever on goals stated in prarthana of sangh. one small but firm step at a time, but in right direction.

I do not think it was aimed at BJP leaders or caste-groups. It was aimed at shakha-pramukhs representing from all over india. Being a part of whipped up campaign to attain desired goals is wise. To be tangled in the propaganda and campaign that one has whipped himself and taking it too seriously is not. The tsunamo is mostly creation of Sangh-parivar. It is based on solid development yes, but it has crossed that threshold of rational choice now. Now people will be voting for NaMo because they love him and have already made up their mind - at least in most parts of desh. That needs to be amplified. But while doing so, the Sangh (and also the BJP worker) must remain unaffected by this euphoria - this is going to be very fleeting and and going to rapidly subside after elections. Those who are now swimming naked in this surge will not get any chance to put on the clothes. Thing of tsunami is that it subsides even more rapidly than it rises. Nishkaama karma is what is required.

This applies to us as well - the brf based internet hindus. Namo for PM is necessity of dev-desh-dharma. Doing everything necessary to ensure that is our dharma. It requires bringing people together and convincing them to vote for lotus. different people need different type of convincing and all those must be employed. Large section of public votes under mesmerized spell of campaign - especially in such wave-elections. The one who's casting the spell should keep eyes wide open and not be mesmerized himself. This is exactly what he asked the shakha-pratinidhis to understand. And this also applies to a think-tank like BRF.

furthermore, one only has to wait for few days before the speech of bhagwat is released on youtube and MSM will fall flat on face, just like it did in Bharat-India rape whipped up controversy.

vic · Post by **vic** » 12 Mar 2014 08:09

Times of India is talking about 160 club within BJP which wants to restrict BJP to 160 seats to prevent NAMO becoming PM.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 12 Mar 2014 09:02

Congress clueless on Modi-fever cure (ToI)

"Its not a Modi wave, its Modi hysteria." Apparently.

Dunno if this is a deliberate MSM attempt to sow the seeds of complacency in the lotus camp... Thank heavens the sangh is involved in org matters and they're unlikely to get swayed by hysteria or waves or psy-ops...

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 12 Mar 2014 09:12

All you gurus give such varying numbers and I am totally confused. The numbers have been from the point of wishlist, gut feeling, some envelop calculations, serious calculations ityadi. The range for BJP has been from 150 to 300. That is a big range from BRFites. I hope after elections we don't claim BRF has been ahead of the curve. Number swings have been like the mood swings of a pregnant women.

The heartening aspect is that BJP has a chance with the lowest number being 150. Yet Congres has enough experience and the umpires to hit 36 runs in the last over to win the game. Crowd support does not matter.

merlin · Post by **merlin** » 12 Mar 2014 09:50

Congress has judiciary, president, babus, EC, AAP, EVM magic, overt and covert support from Pakistan, China and the US, support from fifth columnists within India, media support, eMGNREGA, turd front allies, commies, D4, sleeping Indian public. BJP has only Modi, RSS and BJP cadre support. Hence some folks give them about 180 seats, if that. Can the Modi wave overcome all of that and get to 250 for pre-poll NDA at least?

archan · Post by **archan** » 12 Mar 2014 09:51

Saar it is the India will lose onree syndrome.

merlin · Post by **merlin** » 12 Mar 2014 10:04

So where is Dilbu when you really need him?

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 12 Mar 2014 10:12

merlin wrote:So where is Dilbu when you really need him?

Like Cassandra in movie Scorpion King, after losing his virginity Anti-jinx measures of Dilbulla doesn't work anymore.

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 12 Mar 2014 10:45

Why isnt BJP making a big deal about the emergency and the anti-democratic and tyrannic nature of congress. I just saw a passing mention of it in show yesterday night by Piyush Chawla? When congress can bring up 2002 every second why not the emergency and the forced sterilization?

Is it to prevent hurting Smt Maneka?

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 12 Mar 2014 10:53

SwamyG wrote:All you gurus give such varying numbers and I am totally confused. The numbers have been from the point of wishlist, gut feeling, some envelop calculations, serious calculations ityadi. The range for BJP has been from 150 to 300. That is a big range from BRFites. I hope after elections we don't claim BRF has been ahead of the curve. Number swings have been like the mood swings of a pregnant women.

The heartening aspect is that BJP has a chance with the lowest number being 150. Yet Congres has enough experience and the umpires to hit 36 runs in the last over to win the game. Crowd support does not matter.

The markets go wild as the settlement date comes nearer. The problem is that after 1984 perhaps this is the first Big O that is happening around personalities instead of ideologies and horse-trading. That is a long time in electoral politics. As a general thumb rule, you should be comfortable for your favorites only if both the highest pointers and the lowest pointers are well above the requirement. In our case it is actually so. IOW I am expecting a surprise but a pleasant surprise.

72 for all yindus, right here on earth.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 12 Mar 2014 11:33

Sushma Swaraj bats for Congress

The evil empire that the Congress spawned after Independence is fighting tooth and nail against the outsider, Narendra Modi. For the popes and bishops and the barons and dukes of ancien regime know it too well that if he comes to power, it would not be a change of government but a change of regime. They dread this change, for they know that he would not be an Atal Bihari Vajpayee who would attune himself with the imperatives of Congress-style governance. Hence the various hurdles in Modi’s march to South Block.

Modi has to deal with not only the stunts of the Aam Aadmi Party (AAP), the shenanigans of the grand old party, and the pro-Congress intellectuals but also elements within the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) who favor status quo.

Leader of the Opposition in Lok Sabha Sushma Swaraj is one of those who fear that if the Congress system is removed, she would be marginalized; this is the reason that she has started making ridiculous demands.

In her tweets, she expressed her opposition to the planned merger of B. Sreeramulu’s BSR Congress with the BJP in Karnataka and Haryana minister Venod Sharma’s attempt to enter the BJP-led National Democratic Alliance through the Haryana Janhit Congress (HJC) of Kuldeep Bishnoi. Sushma’s proximity to Sreeramulu and the Reddy brothers is not a secret; equally well known are the facts that the Reddys and Sreeramulu are close associates, that they are alleged to be involved in illegal mining, and that they enjoyed the patronage of Swaraj. And now, just because Sreeramulu’s joining the BJP would strengthen the saffron party in Karnataka, and thus brighten Modi’s prospects, she resists the merger. It appears to be a clear case of sabotage.

In the case of Venod Sharma, spitefulness acquires preposterous dimensions. The former Congress leader is not even joining the BJP, and yet the madam is perturbed. As for Sharma, there is no corruption case against him. The worst things that can be said about him are that he is the father of Manu Sharma of the Jessica Lal case and was accused of influencing the investigation. Yet, no illegality has been proved against Venod Sharma. So, why the angry tweets?

The answer does not require a PhD in political science. Over the years, Sushma Swaraj has come very close to Congress president Sonia Gandhi. The relations became so cordial that in her last speech in the Lok Sabha, she called Sonia a graceful leader. One has to be a 10, Janpath, lackey to believe that, for Sonia presided over two governments which would be remembered for unprecedented venality, colossal incompetence, and mindboggling shamelessness. Graceful!?

The friendship between Swaraj and Sonia was evident in Johannesburg where the duo had gone to attend the memorial service of anti-apartheid leader Nelson Mandela. The two had lunch together at a five-star hotel soon after the memorial service. Even if such excursions could be ignored as a private matter, the way the principal Opposition party had allowed the government to further its perverse agenda cannot be overlooked. For instance, Swaraj said that the Food Security Bill was “half-baked,” but she ensured that the BJP supported it. In general, she did little to make the government appear miserable in the Lok Sabha, as her censure of the UPA lacked bite.

And now Swaraj is doing her best to jeopardize Modi’s campaign.
- See more at: http://www.indiafacts.co.in/sushma-swar ... GzdA5.dpuf

niran · Post by **niran** » 12 Mar 2014 12:57

gandharva wrote:Sushma Swaraj bats for Congress

susuma rushed to Bhopal allegedly for a meeting, it was a meeting of course, she went on to meet Shivraj singh chouhan
for a support in her tikit allocation, but flies tells me SSC offered her chai and biskut with a promise to think over this rankled the mohtarma and she is....... well you know how netas behave when their H&D is in trouble.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 12 Mar 2014 13:03

SSC, Raman Singh, Raje & Parrikar should back Modi. They all have time on their side, their fight is not with Modi. If Modi loses this bout against central A/C leaders, then what chance do these people have? Surely they don't expect their popularity to become as high as Modi's? Neither will they get such enormous, hysterical support from the RSS-BJP foot soldiers. All the mass leaders in BJP should gang up against Lota & Chinamma, throw them out of the party if need be. These bin painde ke lotas need to be made examples of. I have no respect for such traitors.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 12 Mar 2014 13:06

Chandragupta wrote:SSC, Raman Singh, Raje & Parrikar should back Modi. They all have time on their side, their fight is not with Modi. If Modi loses this bout against central A/C leaders, then what chance do these people have? Surely they don't expect their popularity to become as high as Modi's? Neither will they get such enormous, hysterical support from the RSS-BJP foot soldiers. All the mass leaders in BJP should gang up against Lota & Chinamma, throw them out of the party if need be. I have no respect for such traitors.

add to that sushil modi, gopinath munde, nitin gadkari, harsh vardhan, yeddyurappa, kalyan singh, arjun munda (not so sure, though). these are the real leaders of BJP.

How I wish babulal marandi returns to BJP..

niran · Post by **niran** » 12 Mar 2014 13:07

Chandragupta wrote:SSC, Raman Singh, Raje & Parrikar should back Modi. They all have time on their side, their fight is not with Modi. If Modi loses this bout against central A/C leaders, then what chance do these people have? Surely they don't expect their popularity to become as high as Modi's? Neither will they get such enormous, hysterical support from the RSS-BJP foot soldiers. All the mass leaders in BJP should gang up against Lota & Chinamma, throw them out of the party if need be. I have no respect for such traitors.

finesse saar finesse, you do not chuck out people, you make their life miserable so as they quit themselves.
first objective is to win election these are minor problems will be taken care of appropriately.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 12 Mar 2014 13:24

As a person with Sangh I request you to understand one of the basic ideas of RSS. If you read the history of India you find we lost many major wars and our freedom when the King/leader died or captured at a critical point. Take Hemu, Rama Raya, Paniput wherein Matakas falsely belived their leader died and so on. The another problem with Hindu leaders is that they lead from the front. Even Krishna Devaraya was leading from the front in Battle of Raichur.

At the same time 27 years war proved when inspired by the idea of freedom the people and the armies fought against all hardships including death or capture of their kings/leaders.

Hence Sangh does not support any individual worship. Nation and the Bhagavad flog representing the nation are the only things people should worship to. Sarsanghchalak is right is what he says. Further there is no caste war or base in RSS and is a rubbish creation of media which does not know which end the air has to come out.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 12 Mar 2014 13:40

V Ananta Nageshwaran writes very well on what ails Indian (read Yindoo) civilization by analyzing the behavior of club 160 within the beejaypee.

http://www.livemint.com/Opinion/Nrneb8f ... hness.html

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 12 Mar 2014 14:37

Atri wrote:
How I wish babulal marandi returns to BJP..

Lord knows he wants to but for Rajnath Singh

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 12 Mar 2014 14:53

Secularism and communalism 'poll ploys', says Paswan - Business Standard

Its made my day. Still cannot believe myself of this sudden turnaround. Probably this is news article of the week.

Justifying the decision to join hands with BJP, Lok Janshakti Party (LJP) President Ramvilas Paswan today said secularism and communalism were just "poll ploys".

Claiming that a wave was blowing across the country in favour of BJP's prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi, Paswan said, "Secularism aur communalism sirf chunavi hathkanda hain (secularism and communalism are poll ploys)."

"More than a decade has passed since the 2002 riots in Gujarat... It's development and not (the riot) which is a subject of debate in the country today," he said.

Mukesh.Kumar · Post by **Mukesh.Kumar** » 12 Mar 2014 15:24

Fellow Mullah's, would request you to weigh in on this video which seemingly has gone viral all of a sudden. How trues is this? Can it be forensically determined. Looking through the video and trying to find logical inaccuracies, twisted facts. Help would be appreciated.

Compelling Evidence proves - Narendra Modi Ordered Gujarat Riot

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 12 Mar 2014 15:26

Is this Babu Bajrangi's video? (haven't opened the link). If yes, SIT had thrown it to the dustbin. Holds no water.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 12 Mar 2014 15:58

Yup, Babulal Bajrangi!!

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 12 Mar 2014 16:15

Mukesh.Kumar wrote:Fellow Mullah's, would request you to weigh in on this video which seemingly has gone viral all of a sudden. How trues is this? Can it be forensically determined. Looking through the video and trying to find logical inaccuracies, twisted facts. Help would be appreciated.

Compelling Evidence proves - Narendra Modi Ordered Gujarat Riot

old video, this proves there is nothing new to attack on modi, all these have been run many times before, possibly being used to scare muslims in favor of con/aap, this is a sting by tarun tejpal, incidentally both bajrangi and tejpal are in jail

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 12 Mar 2014 18:02

Mukesh.Kumar wrote:Fellow Mullah's, would request you to weigh in on this video which seemingly has gone viral all of a sudden. How trues is this? Can it be forensically determined. Looking through the video and trying to find logical inaccuracies, twisted facts. Help would be appreciated.

Compelling Evidence proves - Narendra Modi Ordered Gujarat Riot

Discredit BB. His is own admissions were thrown out by court when it comes to the slitting the womb theory. http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/o ... 859939.ece

A logical question is whether low-level a flunkie like BB could get access to NaMo .

Make it a point to let people know that VHP/BD have seen their wings clipped in Gujarat. Tagadia openly campaigns against Modi.