Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Kakkaji · Post by **Kakkaji** » 14 Mar 2014 23:09

IMHO it was a mistake to allow Sushma to contest from Vidisha. I think SSC is playing a game by guaranteeing entry of this Modi-baiter into the next Lok Sabha. Once in, she would play the same role against NaMo that Arjun Singh played against PVNR.

She should have been forced to contest from Telangana.

Goes to show NaMo still does not have full control of the BJP. The party is full of foes of NaMo.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 14 Mar 2014 23:11

^^^ I dont think SSC is a sushma loyalist. Why should he care about her. He is very much a namo guy, everything else is media hawa. There are some limitations on his side also. You cant just go full throttle

Arunkumar · Post by **Arunkumar** » 14 Mar 2014 23:16

This sushma bashing here and on teetar is going a bit overboard i guess. She may be or may not be evil but its a fact that she is being given a chance. She is like those managers with linear thought process who got incredibly lucky to climb the corporate ladder fast and once on top did not know what to do. Probably she would make a good replacement for meira kumar. 'Bait Jaiye'.

jagga · Post by **jagga** » 14 Mar 2014 23:20

Yog Guru Baba Ramdev is Not happy WIth BJP

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 14 Mar 2014 23:22

Vidisha is 5 miles from Sanchi where Emperor Ashoka commissioned a stupa containing Lord Buddha's articles. It is also the locale where Emperor Ashoka's 2nd wife came from. No matter who has been elected there, they have always been pro-Indic civilization. The area has been inhabited for over 5000 years. SS should consider herself honored to represent Vidisha!

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 14 Mar 2014 23:29

muraliravi wrote:^^^ I dont think SSC is a sushma loyalist. Why should he care about her. He is very much a namo guy, everything else is media hawa. There are some limitations on his side also. You cant just go full throttle

I don't think so either. But LK Advani and Sushma Swaraj did try to cultivate SSC as a rival to NaMo. And for a while SSC also played along, but I think when NaMo was selected PM candidate and SSC had his face time with RSS, he quickly came around and started supporting NaMo. Not to forget NaMo campaigned quite a lot in MP as well and had massive rallies there.

SSC himself knows that Sushma is of no use anymore. Her standing in the party and cadre popularity is minuscule compared to that of NaMo. May be earlier Sushma was a good facilitator with UPA for SSC, but now what is the use?!

I can only say, Sushma is really hurting her chances in Vidisha, but doing this nautanki! The BJP cadre is very loyal to Modi right now. No wonder no regional leader can really go in an open revolt against NaMo, even if denied ticket or something.

The day the last Lok Sabha session came to an end, BJP became NaMo's party, of course under RSS guidance.

Only Sushma is only now realizing this.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 14 Mar 2014 23:37

I don't think she has!!

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 15 Mar 2014 00:19

Muraliravi - excellent idea. Namo's first task will be to bring the economy back on track. But if he gets at least 272 with the present NDA it gives scope for a lot of issues close to PIFs to push through. I really don't see any figures in the present setup who will ideologically oppose. JJ is mercurial (she withdrew the anti-conversion law in TN), Mamata has a Muslim votebank to worry about and Naveen is sanctimonius. Good they got rid of Nitish. We may not get another chance. For constitutional changes we have to wait for 362.

disha · Post by **disha** » 15 Mar 2014 00:20

RajeshA wrote: Anyway I would suppose Vidisha is now the safest seat for a non-NDA party to fight on! Anybody interested here?

A BJP "rebel" may contest from Vidisha as independent. If the BJP "rebel" wins - can join BJP back.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 15 Mar 2014 00:47

disha wrote:
RajeshA wrote: Anyway I would suppose Vidisha is now the safest seat for a non-NDA party to fight on! Anybody interested here?
A BJP "rebel" may contest from Vidisha as independent. If the BJP "rebel" wins - can join BJP back.

There must be someone in MP BJP who didn't get a ticket! Is there a BRFite from MP with deep pockets, connections to RSS and interested in going into politics!

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 15 Mar 2014 00:49

SS already has a deal with SSC on the Vidisha seat.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 15 Mar 2014 00:57

RajeshA wrote:There is no reason for a single focus for NaMo. He can do development. He can do "bring back the black money". He can do "teach our kids a bit about Indian Civilization". He can do "put the scoundrels in jail".

After all,what are all these different ministries for?

Exactly. A leader at the top would provide the vision and inspire all the Ministries to come with their own ideas to solve their respective problems. He cannot fix all the problems himself, nor devout time to all issues.
It is humanly impossible for Modi, or any superhuman, to dictate ideas/policies for everything under the Sun. In the process, Modi would select a few priority areas and is likely to omit others. This will cause some to cheer and others to jeer.
I broadly categorize the areas as:
1. Civilization: Inculcating Purushartha System, teaching children and future generation about Indic values and system - sciences, socials, engineering, medicine, economics, ethics, moral, logic etc.
2. Development: Roti, kapada, makkan, sadak, paani, bijlii aur swasth (Food, Clothing, Housing, Road (infrastructure), Clean water, Electricity and Health).
3. Personal: Rights,Duties, security, freedom, justice, impartiality, jobs, happiness, opportunities, hope, pride, religion, spirituality, tradition, culture ityadi.
4. National: Security & Stability

An individual, society or country requires a balance of the above four. Imbalances creates takleef. All policies - foreign or domestic should be made with the above framework.

India will not be sone ki chidiya (golden bird) overnight, it requires generational change. Modi, hopefully, is an agent of change and will start changes in all the above areas slowly but steadily. When he retires, it would require someone else to pick it up. Missing to build a temple here or there, failing to protect a monument or a sethu here or there have to be measured accordingly. I highlighted duties above because the aam admi, fed up with the system, does not even enact obligations and duties. My mom thinks voting is useless and she anyways "hates politics". There are probably millions like her, who do not fully comprehend democracy and the social responsibilities - we cannot blame them for many of us were like that earlier. Information and awareness needs to be increased.

If he does NOT become the PM, then someone else should still do it.

Kakkaji · Post by **Kakkaji** » 15 Mar 2014 05:26

Mort Walker wrote:SS already has a deal with SSC on the Vidisha seat.

What is the quid pro quo? Cut down NaMo and prop up SSC for PM-ship?

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 15 Mar 2014 07:41

jagga wrote:Yog Guru Baba Ramdev is Not happy WIth BJP

Swami Ramdevji is anti-MNC-owners aka anti-FDI aka pro-Swadeshi. Recently, NaMo made a pro-MNC-owner i.e. pro-FDI statement that "Indian businessmen should NOT worry about MNC-owners' entry but should start preparing to fight against MNC-owners".

The anti-AK torade in media started ONLY after NaMo declared his support for FDI. We will see more when we see list of NDA candidates. If NDA candidates are MNC-agents , then it will establish my theory that NaMo has been forced by MNC-owners to accept MNC-owners' terms and kick away Swadeshi.

MNC-owners in India dont have to pay income tax !! The existing Income Tax draft says that profits from FDI are tax exempt !! There was a fear in MNC-owners that RSS and Swami Ramdev may manage to convince\force NaMo to impose full income tax on profits from FDI. And so MNC-owners were paying mediamen to project AK as hero.

vic · Post by **vic** » 15 Mar 2014 08:10

The growth of BJP stopped when Congress won in 2004 and Advani & Sushma were made de facto Cabinet Ministers in Congress Govt. If NAMO becomes PM then this duo will actually loose power not gain it.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 15 Mar 2014 08:35

RajeshA wrote:
muraliravi wrote:^^^ I dont think SSC is a sushma loyalist. Why should he care about her. He is very much a namo guy, everything else is media hawa. There are some limitations on his side also. You cant just go full throttle
I don't think so either. But LK Advani and Sushma Swaraj did try to cultivate SSC as a rival to NaMo. And for a while SSC also played along, but I think when NaMo was selected PM candidate and SSC had his face time with RSS, he quickly came around and started supporting NaMo. Not to forget NaMo campaigned quite a lot in MP as well and had massive rallies there.

SSC himself knows that Sushma is of no use anymore. Her standing in the party and cadre popularity is minuscule compared to that of NaMo. May be earlier Sushma was a good facilitator with UPA for SSC, but now what is the use?!

I can only say, Sushma is really hurting her chances in Vidisha, but doing this nautanki! The BJP cadre is very loyal to Modi right now. No wonder no regional leader can really go in an open revolt against NaMo, even if denied ticket or something.

The day the last Lok Sabha session came to an end, BJP became NaMo's party, of course under RSS guidance.

Only Sushma is only now realizing this.

I think the battle within BJP is more of a revolt of the state level BJP CMs where you have powerful state cadre led by NM challenging the BJP parliamentry board. Till now the Parliamentry board used to make decisions for entire BJP but the strong performance by state CMs led toa new power centre in BJP.

The parliamentry board has no grass roots power compared to the state level orgs and are dependent on them for fighting elections and funds. This is exposing the weakness of SS and LKA.

I too think SSC is on the same side as NM. It is only one comment from him when he expressed concern on NM's elevation affecting Muslim votes in MP elections that is being played up as a rival to NM when that was never the case.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 15 Mar 2014 08:55

vic wrote:The growth of BJP stopped when Congress won in 2004 and Advani & Sushma were made de facto Cabinet Ministers in Congress Govt. If NAMO becomes PM then this duo will actually loose power not gain it.

Vic-ji,
While the Advani-Sushma era saw the collapse of the integrity of the BJP as an political party, BJP stopped growing in 1998 actually, when it entered into a bunch of self defeating (in the long run) alliances. In 98, BJP was growing everywhere, from Assam to TN, with the possible exception of Kerala and the Christian north east. ABV forced BJP to enter a series of alliances that completely sapped the BJP strength in all non-core BJP areas. Govindacharya was right when he said that alliances would kill BJP. His advice was not liked, and he was soon shown the door. BJP had lost its taste for party building since 98. It was easier to ride with allies and core areas strengths. But in the long run, it destroyed BJP in non-core areas. The Advani-Sushma era saw the weakening of the BJP even in the core areas, because they were a compromised opposition, managed by the Congress.

member_28502 · Post by **member_28502** » 15 Mar 2014 09:14

One can not do anything with FDI taxes, they will simply withdraw from India. First thing is to develop a strategy to minimize the impact of FDI in India economy.
Then show the door or make it level field.

Remember after POK i and II unkil tried hard to impose economic costs, thanks to NRI and RI the economy did not blink.
Since then unkil has cultivated Industrialists and evangelist to do the job..
Lets see

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 15 Mar 2014 09:23

Any news on april-1 gas price hike? Because if the Central Govt will announce gas price hike, and AK will go on dharana anshan. And if BJP doesnt do dharana-anshan, then they will be seen as supporters of motabhai aka Mukesh Ambani. And if BJP oppose april-1 gas price hike, then also paid-media can rightly or wrongly give credit to AK. If central govt cancels the price hike due to dharana anshan, then again paid-media can give credit to AK.

IOW, paid-media will decide who gets credits for cancel of gas price hike in coming april-2014.

IOW, using april-1 gas price issue, the owners and sponsors of paid-mediamen will extract their huge amount of flesh from BJP, Congress and AAP

Its time we nationalists realize that political party leaders are mere puppets who are left with no option but to act as owners of paid-media dictate them to act. And after election, the blackmail of leaders will go on via paid-judiciary as well as paid-mediamen. The voting is a useless exercise.

Nijalingappa: One can not do anything with FDI taxes, they will simply withdraw from India. First thing is to develop a strategy to minimize the impact of FDI in India economy. Then show the door or make it level field. Remember after POK i and II unkil tried hard to impose economic costs, thanks to NRI and RI the economy did not blink.Since then unkil has cultivated Industrialists and evangelist to do the job..

well, at least BJP-leaders and RSS-apex can inform their activists that FDI = MNC-owners dont pay income tax , while we all do. Because when I tell RSS-activists and BJP-activists that "Congress-leaders in 1991 printed clauses in Income Tax act that MNC-owners wont have to pay income on their FDI and BJP-leaders support these clauses and refuse to remove them", they see me a liar. They are in complete disbelief. Least BJP-leaders and RSS-apex can do is to tell The Truth to their activists. But since RSS was formed in 1925, the RSS-apex has decied to keep workers in dark about anti-India economic laws and almost all other anti-India laws.

And India didnt blink due to sanctions. But then , USA paid Pakistan to do Kargil on India. And then Pakistan lost Kargil war , India lost Kargil war and USA won Kargil war. Yes, this is another truth that has been hidden, that Kargil war was won by USA and India\Pak both lost the war. After that, ABV became poodle, and allowed FDI in insurance in 1999, and also passed laws on intellectual property which USA wanted.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 15 Mar 2014 09:29

Govt to seek Election Commission approval of gas price hike

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 15 Mar 2014 09:32

Exclusive: Narendra Modi will contest from Varanasi
http://www.firstpost.com/politics/exclu ... ef_article

vic · Post by **vic** » 15 Mar 2014 10:01

nageshks wrote:
vic wrote:The growth of BJP stopped when Congress won in 2004 and Advani & Sushma were made de facto Cabinet Ministers in Congress Govt. If NAMO becomes PM then this duo will actually loose power not gain it.
Vic-ji,
While the Advani-Sushma era saw the collapse of the integrity of the BJP as an political party, BJP stopped growing in 1998 actually, when it entered into a bunch of self defeating (in the long run) alliances. In 98, BJP was growing everywhere, from Assam to TN, with the possible exception of Kerala and the Christian north east. ABV forced BJP to enter a series of alliances that completely sapped the BJP strength in all non-core BJP areas. Govindacharya was right when he said that alliances would kill BJP. His advice was not liked, and he was soon shown the door. BJP had lost its taste for party building since 98. It was easier to ride with allies and core areas strengths. But in the long run, it destroyed BJP in non-core areas. The Advani-Sushma era saw the weakening of the BJP even in the core areas, because they were a compromised opposition, managed by the Congress.

+100

Actually it was a strategy led by Advani and supported by some RSS patriarchs (using Vajpayee as cover) to weaken Hindutava base and garner Muslim votes. Jinnah comment by Advani was well thought out. Advani thought that he will get into power just by TINA and dump Sangh Parviar. He was intentionally killing of core constituency of BJP in his quest to become another Congress. Loss in 2004 and 2009 was also because BJP Cadre was disillusioned.

Advani the fake Iron man is still trying to give credit of rise of BJP to anti-Congress mood rather then ability of NAMO to consolidate BJP base. AAP would have destroyed the core base of BJP in youth group had it not been for NAMO.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 15 Mar 2014 10:15

That is a very astute analysis and most probably correct one.

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 15 Mar 2014 11:32

Looks like die-nasty has given up. No effective move recently nor any dirty tricks nor any public meetings... Maino is invisible.... Biyanka is quiet.... No sycophantic statements by chamchas lately (where is doggy?).... Some worthies not even contesting the election.... The media baggage is transferred to AAP. Only the supposed slipper cells in BJP are active. Seems like RajeshA guru's CT is realizing.

Has CIA pulled the plug from die-nasty? I hope they have not embezzled their money from swiss for we need to bring it back.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 15 Mar 2014 12:11

^^Actually this is their success. Right now was the perfect time for BJP and media to highlight all sorts of 2G Spectrum, Commonwealth, murderer italian marines, augusta westland, Navy Chief's resignation.

But all that is happening is kejri vs modi, kejri vs media, modi vs mm joshi, fights in bjp's internal fights. Shiv Sena vs bjp.

And on top of it all paid media has got a new makeover BJP is forced to support it against kejri's accusations.

Now the whole picture masses are bombarded with are:

1.) BJP's internal squabbles for Loksabha seats.

2.) Kejri accusing Modi of supporting rising gas prices.

3.) Public open violence between aap and BJP workers.

4.) Kejri accusing media of being bought by Modi. So BJP instead of pointing out how media supported termite queen in last 10 years by:

a.) Attacking anyone who was bringing to attention various scams.

b.) Attacking Advani, while ignoring a non-loksabha elected PM's anti-national acts in Sharm-al-sheikh.

c.) And now showing == between BJP and ConParty.

This shows how much support termite queen has from not just media, but also american and western european govts. not to mention nac.

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 15 Mar 2014 13:58

But it is not going to fetch votes for con in any way. The only net gainer is Farji. He will lose this election badly alright. But he is not fighting for this election either. He is preparing for 2019. This is a clear cut transfer of baggage from con to PAAP.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 15 Mar 2014 14:21

Re. Inorganic growth in 98 is bad.

That in essence is a bahana by some NaMo advisors that has been seeded in the SM to help themselves. NaMo advisors show a weakness of trying to get everything into the cadre's mind as a great big CT using the SM.

IMO that strategy of inorganic growth was adopted after BJP seat-winnings, began showing a plateauing-out effect. And that inorganic growth strategy was the zeitgeist, back in the 98 period. ABV did went on to head the first full term non-congi sarkar with some important decisions under its belt. As a result BJP today is not viewed as == Congress. Basically NaMo advisors have to learn to stop behaving like a Paki - finding fault in his ancestors all the time.

Re. Govindacharya ji was a maverick then, he is one today [Aside - I respect the man for his mavericky independence, but he has the Parsuram/Shukracharya quotient a bit too high for anybody’s comfort].

Inorganic growth should be supplemented well with organic growth, which admittedly suffered under the softy-softy default growth approach of LKA. LKA at some point forgot that Dosti aur Dushmani sirf barabar walon mein hoti hai. The House forced LKA to gamble and LKA lost. Now The House will force NaMo too, to gamble. LKA’s failure by a particular method does not guarantee a successful result by an opposite method. NaMo better make sure that he wins his bets. Public apathy towards a losing gambler is an evolutionary requirement and NaMo too will be subject to that requirement.

Also at some point NaMo advisors too have to realize that they have to stop running back to the cadre's for every little seat negotiation and start managing their relationships too. If they don't like certain people, by all means feel free to change the nature of the party, get people fired, conspire, back-stab, broadside, cut a deal, break a deal, get in edgewise but do that in the friggin privacy of the house. If these idiots keep bringing every silly thing into SM, instead of using SM properly to help create a nationalist narrative then they will have only themselves to blame for whatever will follow.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 15 Mar 2014 14:26

kapilrdave wrote:Has CIA pulled the plug from die-nasty? I hope they have not embezzled their money from swiss for we need to bring it back.

Black money follows the rule of the lathi & the bhains. Jiski lathi uski bhains. You don't have claim over something you cannot even control.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 15 Mar 2014 21:19

ok its NaMo from Varanasi and MMJ from Kanpur

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 15 Mar 2014 21:32

I bet NM will run from gujarat as well. Most likely Amdavad-east or patan

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 15 Mar 2014 21:40

http://www.hindustantimes.com/elections ... 95613.aspx

It seems Jaitley has chosen the NM side. This is the second time he has taken of SS didi. First one is about her one sided stand in Telangana time. The backstabbing actions of SS are becoming too transparent. I wonder if she can win in Vidisha.

member_28108 · Post by **member_28108** » 15 Mar 2014 21:55

Or is ti to project a sense of dissent that is needed when they are taking people like Sriramulu - after all he was her protege.So now she can dissociate from this when campaigning saying she was a concious opposer but that his recruitment was done for the party's sake ?

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 15 Mar 2014 21:59

Folks-out of curiosity, under which constituency does Somnath come in Gujarat? Is it Patan? Can NaMo contest from there, i.e., is it a reserved constituency, or not?

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 15 Mar 2014 22:13

Modi from Banaras. HAR HAR MADHADEV

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 15 Mar 2014 22:19

AJ from Amritsar. 54 candidates of UP to be announced now. Seems that deliberations ran for some 12 hours. MMJ from Kanpur.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 15 Mar 2014 22:19

ravi_g wrote:
kapilrdave wrote:Has CIA pulled the plug from die-nasty? I hope they have not embezzled their money from swiss for we need to bring it back.
Black money follows the rule of the lathi & the bhains. Jiski lathi uski bhains. You don't have claim over something you cannot even control.

Lets say Soni steals money from poor folks and gives its to her friend named zwiss to stash it. Soni asks zwiss to buy a buffalo(bhains) with that money and then sell the milk. And re-invest that money to buy more buffalo and so on. She expects to have lots of bhains and a huge dairy farm after some time.

But, mean-e-while, zwiss loses his job and is in economic depression. Not just him, but his entire Oiro colony has lost jobs. So, what does he do? He uses up the money that was stored by Soni with him.

Now, Soni is dreaming that she will have a huge dairy farm to retire to. Basically, there is no bhains even if there is laathi. Na rahegi bhains, na rahega bhaaja. jiski bhaans, uski laathi.

Also at some point NaMo advisors too have to realize that they have to stop running back to the cadre's for every little seat negotiation and start managing their relationships too. If they don't like certain people, by all means feel free to change the nature of the party, get people fired, conspire, back-stab, broadside, cut a deal, break a deal, get in edgewise but do that in the friggin privacy of the house. If these idiots keep bringing every silly thing into SM, instead of using SM properly to help create a nationalist narrative then they will have only themselves to blame for whatever will follow.

Saar,
democrazy is all about transparency with no hypocrisy. I say let there be more transparency. Whatever the views, let them be aired openly for one and all to see, know and analyze. Why back door negotiations? Why say one thing behind the camera and another thing before it?

member_28108 · Post by **member_28108** » 15 Mar 2014 22:27

Modi confirmed MMJ Kanpur AJ fom Amritsar Rajnath Singh Lucknow

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 15 Mar 2014 22:29

As you all know, I am the BRF's Resident Ignorant And Dumb Guy. So a simple question. Why is Varnasi so important for Modi and BJP's fortunes? Gurus talk about it being a play in UP. How does him contesting elections in UP energize people?

thanks, I will hang up and listen now.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 15 Mar 2014 22:31

Kapil sahib, no rabid animal goes down quietly unless it is mortally wounded. If it is quiet, it is trying to regain some strength.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 15 Mar 2014 22:32

Minakshi Lekhe from New Delhi, Manoj Tiwari from North east Delhi and also Dr Harshavardhan is also contesting. I wonder which poor mafia man is contesting againt Minakshi Lekhi. 19th is the election. VARANASI DECLAIRED. Rajnath Singh, Arun J from Amruthsar, Saharanpur, Raghav Itava Sir Ashok Dohare, Badhoi. Khairana Muzaffarnar, Rajendra Singh, Dr Nepar Singh Mirat Dr Mahesh Nagar,

Philint Meenka gandhi, Laknow Rajanath Singh. Kanpur MMJ, Jhansi Umabharathi. Gayathri Bar bery ctitical Phule