Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 17 Mar 2014 18:23

Continuing on Shadow CT: Now the "evasive tactical maneuvers" begin to make sense, if it was time needed to hang around, with no radar signature, until SIA came by.

Oops! Which brings up a bad objection: How could he predict exactly when he would take off, and when SIA would come by? No way.

Some obnoxious Minister could be depended on, to be late enough that the push-back time is not predictable to within 15 minutes. On BOTH the MAS and SIA flights.

Unless there were enough planes going that corridor at that time, that he could have latched on to any large a/c, within about 10-15 minutes uncertainty. It is true that there were many planes in the air, but how many where flying that route? Unless there was enough backup other than the SIA flight, the CT becomes implausible.

OK, so maybe they had this laid on for several days, waiting for the right day when the SIA would come along at the same time. Like the story of the Malloostani Optimist who went to see the movie every night for a month to see the scene where the bathing houri stood straight up in the pond JUST as the train came across the field of view:

The train is sure to be late one day!

Hmm! CT is alive and well. But the level of planning now reaches space-shot level. I WAS going to say that in pilot madrasses they don't expect graduates to be able do problems involving quadratic equations, much less polar coordinates, but now not so sure.

Objection:

Did these two fly together on same route many nights? Otherwise one had to kill the other first to take over.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 17 Mar 2014 18:23

CRamS wrote:Can we not get satellite images of any floating debris from the vast Indian ocean area (2 million squares miles or so is the number I heard)? I mean Uncle has peeping Tom toys that can find out the color of underwear of who them deem as "bad guys" from 1000s of miles away. Of course there should be some floating debris to find them, and I am assuming Uncle has already done a massive combing operation of the entire Indian ocean with his toys, and turned up nothing. Or is he not telling us what he found?

Yes. No problem. With 1 image being 1 sq mile they just have to examine 2 million images for underwear sized objects. At 10 seconds to scan an image it should be possible to narrow it down to about 50,000 suspicious images in 231.481481481 days

member_28352 · Post by **member_28352** » 17 Mar 2014 18:25

Even if the bit about the search being extended to the stans be true after the raids on the pilots homes then it couldn't have made it without Chinese acquiescence. It most certainly didn't fly over continental India. So the possible route would be over Thailand, Burma, Yunnan, Northern Arunachal, Northern Himachal and onto the stans.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 17 Mar 2014 18:26

shiv: With U. LaWhore Djinn Al Farouk computer, the initial scan would reduce it to 500 promising images inside 0.000000000000000001 femtoseconds. And I think the starting resolution would be 200 meters like on our car Gee Pee Ess. The satellites probably have 10 meter resolution available even in public domain. The computer would rule out all images that showed NOTHING except water surface, or clouds. The problem would be much greater if the area included a beach where houris were sunbathing showing their ankles, but South IO may not have too many of those.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 17 Mar 2014 18:30

without Chinese acquiescence.

So it would be hijacking by the Pee All See. But why would they hijack a plane headed for Beijing unless it was a coup like the one Mush "experienced" in 1999?

Rajiv Lather · Post by **Rajiv Lather** » 17 Mar 2014 18:31

Mohd Khairul Amri Selamat, 29 is the name; which in itself is significant. Now the interesting bit, "Khairul had said he worked for a Swiss-based jet charter firm called Execujet Aviation Group, but the company declined to say whether it still employed him"

Rajiv Lather · Post by **Rajiv Lather** » 17 Mar 2014 18:34

Symontk, you said a private plane cannot make a overflight over India without landing. Does the same apply to air charter company ?

Harpal Bector · Post by **Harpal Bector** » 17 Mar 2014 18:36

vasu raya wrote:hmmm...the first and last ping were giving a location clue because they were in coverage areas of 2 sats, I think this piggybacking is a plausible one, and the hitch point was before it entered radar coverage in Andamans, no wonder the Malays were asking for raw radar data

here is two heavies flying close enough while refueling:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTPft87iK34

IAF would know how that looks like on its radar

A2A refueling procedure takes two highly experienced military flight crews. It seems more likely that if it could shut off the transponder, it could spoof a signal as well.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 17 Mar 2014 18:39

A2A also takes a refueling probe sticking out of the fuel tanks of the receiver craft. I don't know any 777s that sport that: the fuel is in the wings. Harrison Ford or ShahRukh Khan may be able to refuel at 400 mph standing on the wing using swinging buckets of JP-8 and a funnel, but I doubt if mere mortals can.

It seems more likely that if it could shut off the transponder, it could spoof a signal as well.

Harpalji, this is the key point that UBCTs also asked many pages ago. Is this not possible? How hard-coded is the transponder ID to the a/c? Isn't it like the board on the Malloostan State Road Transport Corporation buses, where the board says Kayankulam, but ppl know it's going to Cheruthurutthi, the conductor is just too lazy to change it?

member_28352 · Post by **member_28352** » 17 Mar 2014 18:39

UlanBatori wrote:So it would be hijacking by the Pee All See.

Hmm not quite. Acquiescence can be obtained through threats of killing Chinese passengers also. But then the question arises is WTF were the Pee All Cee and Malays doing searching off the sea of vietnam and then off the sea of BoB. Maybe all the hijackers wanted was safe passage through Chinese skies after which it couldn't be tracked further. Which is why Malay PM telephoned MMS and Badmash to ask if they knew any better.

Harpal Bector · Post by **Harpal Bector** » 17 Mar 2014 18:43

So can two large airplanes with significant wake turbulence travel so close together that they show up as one spot on a primary surveillance radar?

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 17 Mar 2014 18:45

Acquiescence can be obtained through threats of killing Chinese passengers

Shhhhh!!!! If that ever becomes known outside, all of PeeAllSee's internal and external "friends" will start the Opium Wars / Splittist Movements all over again. IMO. in PeeAllSee, Receive Threat = Shoot Down. Kill one Splittist is easily worth losing 154 innocents; there are 1.59999999 billion left, as Chailman Mao said.

Rajiv Lather · Post by **Rajiv Lather** » 17 Mar 2014 18:46

Harpal Bector wrote:So can two large airplanes with significant wave turbulence travel so close together that they show up as one spot on a primary surveillance radar?

It may be probable, with great concentration for a short period of time. But for the time it takes to overfly India and Pakistan, I would say the possibility is close to zero.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 17 Mar 2014 18:55

UlanBatori wrote:The problem would be much greater if the area included a beach where houris were sunbathing showing their ankles, but South IO may not have too many of those.

During Clinton times, those pics were regularly routed to POTUS.

Harpal Bector · Post by **Harpal Bector** » 17 Mar 2014 18:56

That is what I thought too, but our friend from Mongolia seems to be undecided.

I am more inclined towards transponder (squawk code) spoofing but I am not well versed in these matters as our mongolian friend is so I am willing to defer to his opinion should he choose to share it.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 17 Mar 2014 18:58

UlanBatori wrote: How hard-coded is the transponder ID to the a/c? Isn't it like the board on the Malloostan State Road Transport Corporation buses, where the board says Kayankulam, but ppl know it's going to Cheruthurutthi, the conductor is just too lazy to change it?

Not hard-coded at all.
Ask and ye shall receive:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transponde ... ned_by_ATC

Most codes above can be selected by aircraft if and when the situation requires or allows it, without permission from ATC. Other codes are generally assigned by ATC units.[6][7] For IFR flights, the squawk code is typically assigned as part of the departure clearance and stays the same throughout the flight.[6][7]

VFR flights, when in uncontrolled airspace, will "squawk VFR" (or conspicuity code in the UK)[21](1200 in the U.S., 7000 in Europe). Upon contact with an ATC unit, they will be told to squawk a certain unique code. When changing frequency, for instance because the VFR flight leaves controlled airspace or changes to another ATC unit, the VFR flight will be told to "squawk VFR" again.[6][7]

In order to avoid confusion over assigned squawk codes, ATC units will typically be allocated blocks of squawk codes, not overlapping with the blocks of nearby ATC units, to assign at their discretion.

Harpal Bector · Post by **Harpal Bector** » 17 Mar 2014 19:01

If our Mongolian friend is in complete agreement, I propose we rule out the hiding under a regular flight theory in favour of squawk code spoofing - which would open all sorts of doors and windows.

Rajiv Lather · Post by **Rajiv Lather** » 17 Mar 2014 19:05

For someone in the know it should be easy to check - of all the flights that overflew India in the relevant time frame - which one didnt take off or land anywhere ? That should give us the transponder ID. Once we have the transponder ID, we can trace the route over India and Pakistan to get very close to where it landed.

Harpal Bector · Post by **Harpal Bector** » 17 Mar 2014 19:06

On the issue of bitcoin based payments, I have been very naive. There are many ways to do this that don't necessarily require a major fluctuation. The hijacker may choose the way that offers the greatest security to him while letting the crisis drag on. Negotiation could occur over the location of the final resting place of the a/c rather than the lives of the passengers themselves.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 17 Mar 2014 19:13

i vote for squawk code spoofing

also

if the japani crew heard mumbling and high static, it could also suggest decompression or other cockpit problem. lets say that crew pass out with anoxia, but in the process try to realign the plane to a return heading and lower altitude, hoping for the best. some of the electrics trip out for reasons as yet unknown. they don't get the bird sorted in time, maybe all they manage to do is set it off in a new direction. they never regain consciousness and somewhere over the southern ocean, gravity takes over

member_26011 · Post by **member_26011** » 17 Mar 2014 19:15

For small aircraft, anyway, out of nowhere, this might happen:

Himachal Departure, Uniform Tango-two-three-five with you leaving 3000, climbing 5500, 3miles south of Bibimbap, request flight following.

UT 235, HD. squawk 2345.

Squawk 2345, UT235

UT235, Ident.

Ident, UT235

UT235, you are radar contact 10 miles south of Kathmandu. Where are you headed?

VFR direct Ulan Bator.

Roger.

It's quite possible even in IFR where squawk comes with clearance for someone to switch off, take a dive then pop back up and squawk something else and in a dense traffic situation masquerade squawk codes. As long as there is no strongly separate primary return it won't cause confusion, so to say. Everybody else in that hypothetical knew ut235 was squawking 2345. Still, someone would likely see the aircraft coming up in formation if primary radar exists.

Rajiv Lather · Post by **Rajiv Lather** » 17 Mar 2014 19:17

Lalmohan wrote:i vote for squawk code spoofing

also

if the japani crew heard mumbling and high static,

It could be the flight engineer masking his voice; since the co-pilot is dead.

I hate tragic endings, so can we please keep the passengers alive ?

Harpal Bector · Post by **Harpal Bector** » 17 Mar 2014 19:19

My summary so far based on known knowns. Per my approach CT is useless and the only relevant datum is the location of the a/c.

1) A/c is missing with people on board - all attempts at location have failed.
2) Squawk code and ACARS data has been manipulated.
3) Malay authorities in favour of hijacking but no visible demands/statements made - making the hijacking less likely a political spectacular and more likely a commercial venture (but no major change in Bitcoin trades)
4) PSR + Inmarsat data points to likely paths the a/c may have taken but no clarity on which path a/c has taken.

If a/c had gone down a major international civilian route along northern path, it would need a squawk code to evade a CAP/a2a collision. So logically one should look for unusual squawk codes that appear in the flight period as Rajiv says.

Alternatively a/c has gone down southern path and no spoofing would be needed as route is less traveled.

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 17 Mar 2014 19:20

UlanBatori wrote:A2A also takes a refueling probe sticking out of the fuel tanks of the receiver craft. I don't know any 777s that sport that: the fuel is in the wings. Harrison Ford or ShahRukh Khan may be able to refuel at 400 mph standing on the wing using swinging buckets of JP-8 and a funnel, but I doubt if mere mortals can.

If I understand it correctly this has to be a structural connection as well. During the refueling the tanker is literally towing the aircraft being refueled by some degree. Without structural reinforcement any such maneuver with the 777 is liable to tear a wing off.

Harpal Bector · Post by **Harpal Bector** » 17 Mar 2014 19:32

For completeness the CT lineup

0) Aliens/Supernaturals took A/C (Counterpoint - Okay.. we are done).
1) A/c never took off and this is a scam. (Counterpoint- so where are the passengers? and why bother with this?)
2) A/c is hijacked/downed by government/s and cover-up is in progress (Counterpoint - to what end? political/financial?what of the passengers?)
3) A/c is hijacked by private forces and being secreted somewhere (Counterpoint - so where is the payoff political or financial?)
4) A/c is down for technical reasons due to failure of multiple redundant systems (Counter - so where the debris?).

Exploring CTs beyond a point is IMO a "waste of time".

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 17 Mar 2014 19:37

Lalmohan wrote:if the japani crew heard mumbling and high static, it could also suggest decompression or other cockpit problem. lets say that crew pass out with anoxia, but in the process try to realign the plane to a return heading and lower altitude, hoping for the best. some of the electrics trip out for reasons as yet unknown. they don't get the bird sorted in time, maybe all they manage to do is set it off in a new direction. they never regain consciousness and somewhere over the southern ocean, gravity takes over

It remains the most plausible. The older pilots reviewing this in particular are very interested in that sharp left turn. Apparently not a maneuver for the faint of heart. That in itself is major indication of distress and apparently something pilots prepare for in emergencies.

Here is anmol find posted by a commercial pilot.

https://plus.google.com/106271056358366 ... oeVjHJaGBz

The left turn is the key here. This was a very experienced senior Captain with 18,000 hours. Maybe some of the younger pilots interviewed on CNN didn't pick up on this left turn. We old pilots were always drilled to always know the closest airport of safe harbor while in cruise. Airports behind us, airports abeam us and airports ahead of us. Always in our head. Always. Because if something happens you don't want to be thinking what are you going to do - you already know what you are going to do. Instinctively when I saw that left turn with a direct heading I knew he was heading for an airport. Actually he was taking a direct route to Palau Langkawi a 13,000 foot strip with an approach over water at night with no obstacles. He did not turn back to Kuala Lampur because he knew he had 8,000 foot ridges to cross. He knew the terrain was friendlier towards Langkawi and also a shorter distance.

Take a look on Google Earth at this airport. This pilot did all the right things. He was confronted by some major event onboard that made him make that immediate turn back to the closest safe airport.
For me the loss of transponders and communications makes perfect sense if a fire. There was most likely a fire or electrical fire. In the case of fire the first response if to pull all the main busses and restore circuits one by one until you have isolated the bad one.

If they pulled the busses the plane indeed would go silent. It was probably a serious event and they simply were occupied with controlling the plane and trying to fight the fire. Aviate, Navigate and lastly communicate. There are two types of fires. Electrical might not be as fast and furious and there might or might not be incapacitating smoke. However there is the possibility given the timeline that perhaps there was an overheat on one of the front landing gear tires and it blew on takeoff and started slowly burning. Yes this happens with underinflated tires. Remember heavy plane, hot night, sea level, long run takeoff. There was a well known accident in Nigeria of a DC8 that had a landing gear fire on takeoff. A tire fire once going would produce horrific incapacitating smoke. Yes, pilots have access to oxygen masks but this is a no no with fire. Most have access to a smoke hood with a filter but this will only last for a few minutes depending on the smoke level. (I used to carry one of my own in a flight bag and I still carry one in my briefcase today when I fly).

What I think happened is that they were overcome by smoke and the plane just continued on the heading probably on George (autopilot) until either fuel exhaustion or fire destroyed the control surfaces and it crashed. I said four days ago you will find it along that route - looking elsewhere was pointless.

This pilot, as I say, was a hero struggling with an impossible situation trying to get that plane to Langkawi. No doubt in my mind. That's the reason for the turn and direct route. A hijack would not have made that deliberate left turn with a direct heading for Langkawi. It would probably have weaved around a bit until the hijackers decided on where they were taking it.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 17 Mar 2014 19:43

Theo_Fidel wrote:
UlanBatori wrote:A2A also takes a refueling probe sticking out of the fuel tanks of the receiver craft. I don't know any 777s that sport that: the fuel is in the wings. Harrison Ford or ShahRukh Khan may be able to refuel at 400 mph standing on the wing using swinging buckets of JP-8 and a funnel, but I doubt if mere mortals can.
If I understand it correctly this has to be a structural connection as well. During the refueling the tanker is literally towing the aircraft being refueled by some degree. Without structural reinforcement any such maneuver with the 777 is liable to tear a wing off.

No structural connection.

It's like a male female mating connector that can easily and simply break contact in emergency and also stop fuel flow on unintended separation.

There are two types of aerial fueling rigs used and the USN and USAF have different methods.......

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 17 Mar 2014 19:44

this is how master craftsmen hide under a plane. watch from 5:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNzIE3DWxDE

amirkhan heavies do not use a probe on the receiver a/c, it has a recessed receptacle covered by sliding door...even the USAF fighters have it. there is no towing just the rubber pipe. a safety feature yanks out the pipe beyond a point..it can stretch and compress and still keep the link going to some extent...when the pipe jerks off, sometimes fighters get their canopies damaged.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnoF1AJXokM

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 17 Mar 2014 19:46

I hate tragic endings, so can we please keep the passengers alive ?

That is indeed the sad part: the authorities should tell the relatives that in no present scenario do the passengers come out alive. Unless they know something we don't of course.
Briefly, the perps and all their associates are looking at at least life in prison. Nothing to lose by adding a lot of murders, even of little kids. If the act was done for greed, they need to eliminate the witnesses to have any hope of keeping the loot. If it was for revenge, well... how come they haven't called See Enn Enn to ensure publicity? It it was just undiluted hate for all civilization, same deal: they need live hostages on board to have ANY hope of being allowed into anyone's air space any more. But beyond that, no.
Unless of course, James Bonda rescues them all in time, and time has pretty-much run out. Time to give the relatives some form of closure.

Maybe they put all the hostages on a container ship which has no communications, eventually headed for Somalia? Only way to keep them isolated, and keep them alive. Someone would have to steal a cellphone/satphone to break that plot. So yes, there IS that scenario.

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 17 Mar 2014 19:53

I have a noob question.

Assuming that the plane was hijacked and rerouted/ landed somewhere with all passengers still alive, wouldn't someone try to turn on their cell phone and try to make contact? There is a possibility that at least some will have international roaming or will be recognizable by mobile networks?

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 17 Mar 2014 19:54

OK< I read that Experienced Senior Captain's story (if he's an Experienced Senior Captain I am the .. never mind. He MAY be one, just experienced on PITA).

Aviate, Navigate and lastly communicate

Dead giveaway that this was written by someone who has never been even on a single-engine plane with an instructor. Has read the Bubba's Illustrated Pilot Instruction Book for Pilots Under 7.

The above means,
1. Start a left turn and set it up (5 seconds to adjust thrust and start banking the a/c)
2. As you start looking to the left, hit the MayDay code switch.
3. Look up coordinates for the nearest airport (forget 13,000 feet, wouldn't you take 10,000 if you can dump fuel?) 15 seconds, even if you don't hit the voice Transmit switch if you have to do that these days in an airliner cockpit (maybe you do to avoid transmitting the chatter with the Kangaroo Houris)
4. Set those coordinates (10 seconds)
5. Start talking on the radio.
Item 2 did not happen. so forget about Item 5.

Speaking of Kangaroo Houris

, maybe the co-pilot decided to defect to Roostan?

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 17 Mar 2014 19:58

Rajiv Lather wrote: It could be the flight engineer masking his voice; since the co-pilot is dead.

I hate tragic endings, so can we please keep the passengers alive ?

2 crew plane saar, pilot/captain and co-pilot/first-officer

the flight engineer is a computer
(and so is the navigator)

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Mar 2014 19:59

X-posts from Mil Forum....

1)

barath_s wrote:Rear Admiral Sudhir Pillai, chief of staff of India's Andamans and Nicobar Command, told Reuters. "It's possible that the military radars were switched off as we operate on an 'as required' basis." (to save costs)

Also that there were only 3 radar stations, each with a coverage of ~150 km.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/ ... JT20140315

I'd expect at least random sampling/sweeps....

2)quote="vaibhav.n"]A map showing the search areas where Indian Armed Forces are focusing their hunt from the air for the missing MH370.

A Real-Time map of initial search ops detailing the designated search area for flight MH370 released by Indian Navy MOC

[/quote]

and

3)

NRao wrote:Ahemmmm

Air Force debunks 'Missing Malaysian jet for 9/11-type attack on India' theory

The theory that the missing Malaysian aircraft could have been hijacked for a 9/11-type attack on India was today debunked by the IAF and strategic experts who said it would not have escaped detection had it entered the Indian air space.

Senior IAF officers said India has multi-layered and seamless radar coverage over the areas suggested as the possible route for the aircraft in the theories in this regard and the aircraft would have been detected.
Looks like the Indian radars were functioning, after all.

The theory about the possibility of the plane, which has been missing for over a week, being used as a missile to target India like the September 11, 2001 attack in New York was propagated by former US Deputy Secretary of State Strobe Talbott.

In a tweet, he wrote, "Direction, fuel load and range now lead some to suspect hijackers planned a 9/11-type attack on an Indian city."

Ruling out such a possibility, a senior IAF officer said in the US attacks, the planes were going from one city to another and deviated shortly before their designated landing places to carry out attacks.

"In this case, the aircraft will have to enter India undetected for long hours before carrying out such an attack and this would be impossible due to the extensive radar coverage in the Northeast and the Western sectors of the country," he said.

In case, any such aircraft is detected, the IAF has a Standard Operating Procedure.

"If the aircraft is not identifying itself, it is intercepted and directed to follow our instructions. If it does not comply, it can be destroyed also because you don't know its intentions and it may even carry out bombing or other kind of attacks," the IAF officer said.

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Do these help in clarifying or add to the confusion?

Could the MH-370 overfly India giving wrong transponder code?

Also the "good night" message was from the co-pilot according to CBS radio.

Bibhas · Post by **Bibhas** » 17 Mar 2014 20:02

Is there any possibility of it passing through (and probably refuelling at) Northern Myanmar? It will still match the north-west bound red arch limit of the last ping. The radar coverage is probably not that dense in Myanmar. Layman's observation from flightradar24 is that very few flights overfly that zone. If the hijackers can blackmail chineese govt (with Chinese hostages), can it let it pass through chineese airspace with a different arrangement / config after refueling. Cheen has significant dosti with the Burmese. Is there any unprepared / semiprepared mil airstrip north of Mandalay where a 777 can land an refuel. On skyvector try plotting the following GPS waypoints: IGARI ODONO IKUKO GUNBO ANSOM GUNIP VAMPI GIVAL MAPSO IGREX LULDA LALAT SADUS SUSBA VYNP. Between IKUKO & GUNBO is Marang. Reports of local villagers of Marang heard the low flying jet noise originated from there. Between GUNBO till ANSOM it is jungles and mountains with few locallity (from GE view); Beyond that once it reached IGREX it was mostly northwardly zigzag without entering KFIR. It is also not very far from Butterworth on ANSOM GUNIP VAMPI stretch. so the mil radar may have picked up an outwardly blip. Per skyvector wIth an average speed of 300 Kts it will take approximately 7 hours to cover that route. They saied engine ran for 7 hours.

Rajiv Lather · Post by **Rajiv Lather** » 17 Mar 2014 20:02

Lalmohan wrote:
the flight engineer is a computer
(and so is the navigator)

Sir, there is a flight engineer involved, who was one of the passengers. Please read a few posts back.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 17 Mar 2014 20:04

nothing strange in the co-pilot operating the radio. he might have been in charge of that leg of the flight, or of the entire flight. the captain may have opted to give his junior the credit for the hours in command of the flight. the captain is accountable, but not always responsible for flying the aircraft

symontk · Post by **symontk** » 17 Mar 2014 20:08

This CIA68, oops, SIA68 thing is actually murkier, the info shows that it is a US domestic company which is closed in 2002. So why they are doing an international flight 12 years after wards?

Rajiv Lather wrote:Symontk, you said a private plane cannot make a overflight over India without landing. Does the same apply to air charter company ?

If its a scheduled chartered flight, no need, it can overfly

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 17 Mar 2014 20:10

RCase wrote:I have a noob question.

Assuming that the plane was hijacked and rerouted/ landed somewhere with all passengers still alive, wouldn't someone try to turn on their cell phone and try to make contact? There is a possibility that at least some will have international roaming or will be recognizable by mobile networks?

Without network towers to relay/digital signalling, not sure if cell phones can directly communicate even. Satellite phone companies are few and need special equipment with separate standards and battery requirements. example link. Also see power requirements.

Bibhas · Post by **Bibhas** » 17 Mar 2014 20:17

symontk I guess the original article described it in terms of flightradar24. In flightradar24 they are showing Singapore airlines as SIAxxx on the map. Indigo is IGOxxx.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 17 Mar 2014 20:21

Even my usually fertile mind has been defeated by this case. No ct seems to work. I can sense fatigue in even the redoubtable Ulan sir.
will slink away for now and just observe.