Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Mar 2014 08:20

I will ask Vaidya to give a synopses.

manju · Post by **manju** » 19 Mar 2014 08:26

Sorry, don't mean to post everything I get in mail!

I got this from CAG which coordinates the ChaiPeCharcha Program. Along with few other people I have organized Chai Pe Charcha program in Bellary, KA.

Anyone interested can email them.
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Dear Friends,

As you must already know, Shri. Narendra Modi ji is contesting elections as a candidate from Varanansi for Lok Sabha Elections this May. We, at Campaign Management Support Team are looking for dedicated and talented volunteers to help in the last and final 40 days of the campaigning.

If you are willing to dedicate a month of yours to ensure a decisive government in India and if you wish to contribute towards making Narendra Modi the Prime Minister of India, please mail your Resume/CV with contact details on [email protected]

The work would comprise of publicity, door to door campaigning, organizing events.… basically doing whatever it takes to ensure that Modi ji wins with a record margin in the election! Volunteers would be in the thick of campaign activities and have ownership and responsibility for their work.

Looking forward to your active support to make all of our collective dream of Har Har Modi, Ghar Ghar Modi come true!

Regards,
Campaign Support Team

vic · Post by **vic** » 19 Mar 2014 08:28

I thought I will list junk in BJP:-

Sushma Swaraj
Advani and son
Murli Manohar Joshi
Jaswant Singh and son
yashwant Sinha
Shatrugan Sinha
kalraj misra
lalji tandan
Vainka Naidu
Ananth Kumar
javedkar
Arun Jaitely

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 19 Mar 2014 09:31

chetak wrote:No matter what or how much is done, true colors will out in the end.

secular orders are just in from head office, rome, and the knives are out.....

Goa church body attacks Modi, Parrikar

Panaji, March 18 (IANS) A social wing of the influential church in Goa Tuesday lashed out at BJP's prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi for promoting personality oriented politics.

While challenging his "good governance" claim, the Council of Social Justice and Peace (CSJP) also hinted that communal and corporate forces had "infiltrated" India's secular fabric.

In a public pledge issued to voters in Goa, the group, which subtly backed the Bharatiya Janata Party in the 2012 assembly polls, also accused Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar's government of "misgovernance".

And like past governments, the Parrikar government also had "a tendency towards corruption", it said.

The CSJP appeal does not take names but it drops enough hints to suggest who the message is really for.

"Sadly, in the past few years, the 'Secular Spirit' has been infiltrated by corporate communal forces visible even in Goa," it said.

"It is convincingly apparent that the election campaign, supported by the media, is geared towards the promotion of one individual as if this is a presidential election," it said while appealing for a 'secular vote'.

The pledge issued by CSJP executive secretary Fr. Savio Fernandes also makes a none too veiled reference about how senior military and intelligence officers have joined political parties in the recent past.

"The secular democratic system is subtly corrupted when senior intelligence and defence personnel, on retirement, join select political Parties professing them to be the only nationalist parties," the appeal said.

It accused Parrikar of failing to curb corruption despite making lofty claims.

It also said that the BJP's claim of good governance, especially in states like Gujarat and Goa, were in fact myths.

With Catholics accounting for a little less than a third of Goa's population, the Church has significant socio-political clout in the state.

But at the same time, THIS is OK??

AAP's Udayakumar, 2 Others Get Roman Catholic Church Backing

The Aam Admi Party (AAP) got a shot in arm in Thoothukudi with the Roman Catholic (RC) Fathers and fishermen community from across the district decided to extend support to the three coastal leaders, Pushparayan, Jesuraj and S P Udayakumar, contesting on AAP ticket.

A decision to this effect was taken at an indoor meeting, presided by Father William Santhanam, held here on Monday in which 26 Fathers attached to various churches, in which members of Fishermen United Front (Meenavar Iyikiya Munnani) also participated.

The meeting also decided to campaign among the fishermen community for the Aam Admi Party candidates, Pushparayan, Jesuraj and S P Udayakumar and garner votes of the coastal community.

At the last week meeting, the church members discussed various issues and sorted out the differences, said Subash Fernando, from Fishermen United Front.

The main reason for the fishermen population throwing their weight behind the Aam Admi Party trio was that they stood solid in the struggle against the Koodankulam Nuclear Power Plant (KKNPP), Subash said.

As there were more than 1.75 lakhs votes of fishermen in the coastal Thoothukudi, Pushparayan’s prospects were bright in this Lok Sabha constituency, opined Subash and added that his association was negotiating with the Social Democratic Party of India (SDPI) to muster its support.

If the Social Democratic Party of India (SDPI) responded positively that would consolidate the Muslim votes thus increasing the chances for the Aam Admi Party candidate in Thoothukudi.

When asked about the possible arrests of the trio when they come out of Idinthakarai, he said that the police was unlikely to arrest them as such a move might backfire on the cops. He also said that the trio would file their nominations on March 29.

In case, if they were prevented from doing so, alternate arrangements had been made and fishermen leaders would contest from the constituency.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 19 Mar 2014 09:32

chetak wrote:No matter what or how much is done, true colors will out in the end.

secular orders are just in from head office, rome, and the knives are out.....

Goa church body attacks Modi, Parrikar

Panaji, March 18 (IANS) A social wing of the influential church in Goa Tuesday lashed out at BJP's prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi for promoting personality oriented politics.

While challenging his "good governance" claim, the Council of Social Justice and Peace (CSJP) also hinted that communal and corporate forces had "infiltrated" India's secular fabric.

In a public pledge issued to voters in Goa, the group, which subtly backed the Bharatiya Janata Party in the 2012 assembly polls, also accused Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar's government of "misgovernance".

And like past governments, the Parrikar government also had "a tendency towards corruption", it said.

The CSJP appeal does not take names but it drops enough hints to suggest who the message is really for.

"Sadly, in the past few years, the 'Secular Spirit' has been infiltrated by corporate communal forces visible even in Goa," it said.

"It is convincingly apparent that the election campaign, supported by the media, is geared towards the promotion of one individual as if this is a presidential election," it said while appealing for a 'secular vote'.

The pledge issued by CSJP executive secretary Fr. Savio Fernandes also makes a none too veiled reference about how senior military and intelligence officers have joined political parties in the recent past.

"The secular democratic system is subtly corrupted when senior intelligence and defence personnel, on retirement, join select political Parties professing them to be the only nationalist parties," the appeal said.

It accused Parrikar of failing to curb corruption despite making lofty claims.

It also said that the BJP's claim of good governance, especially in states like Gujarat and Goa, were in fact myths.

With Catholics accounting for a little less than a third of Goa's population, the Church has significant socio-political clout in the state.

But at the same time, THIS is OK??

True secularism!

AAP's Udayakumar, 2 Others Get Roman Catholic Church Backing

The Aam Admi Party (AAP) got a shot in arm in Thoothukudi with the Roman Catholic (RC) Fathers and fishermen community from across the district decided to extend support to the three coastal leaders, Pushparayan, Jesuraj and S P Udayakumar, contesting on AAP ticket.

A decision to this effect was taken at an indoor meeting, presided by Father William Santhanam, held here on Monday in which 26 Fathers attached to various churches, in which members of Fishermen United Front (Meenavar Iyikiya Munnani) also participated.

The meeting also decided to campaign among the fishermen community for the Aam Admi Party candidates, Pushparayan, Jesuraj and S P Udayakumar and garner votes of the coastal community.

At the last week meeting, the church members discussed various issues and sorted out the differences, said Subash Fernando, from Fishermen United Front.

The main reason for the fishermen population throwing their weight behind the Aam Admi Party trio was that they stood solid in the struggle against the Koodankulam Nuclear Power Plant (KKNPP), Subash said.

As there were more than 1.75 lakhs votes of fishermen in the coastal Thoothukudi, Pushparayan’s prospects were bright in this Lok Sabha constituency, opined Subash and added that his association was negotiating with the Social Democratic Party of India (SDPI) to muster its support.

If the Social Democratic Party of India (SDPI) responded positively that would consolidate the Muslim votes thus increasing the chances for the Aam Admi Party candidate in Thoothukudi.

When asked about the possible arrests of the trio when they come out of Idinthakarai, he said that the police was unlikely to arrest them as such a move might backfire on the cops. He also said that the trio would file their nominations on March 29.

In case, if they were prevented from doing so, alternate arrangements had been made and fishermen leaders would contest from the constituency.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 19 Mar 2014 09:38

^^^AJ may be D4 but he is not junk. He is definitely not in SS's grade. A good strategist, he may be a wheeler dealer but he is also a rainmaker in the class of Pramod Mahajan and brings years of political experience to the BJP.

Such skills are sorely needed to combat the likes of Doggy and Mulayam.

vic · Post by **vic** » 19 Mar 2014 09:55

AJ has never added anything to BJP but only benefitted from it. He simply aligns himself to a rising star and basks in the glory by using media contacts.

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 19 Mar 2014 10:34

AJ does not have a mass base. But he is one of the few BJP leaders who regularly writes columns which make sense.

But he was too close to UPA for comfort.

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 19 Mar 2014 11:07

harbans wrote:Congress DT dept is upto something really slimy in Varanasi and folks must be prepared for it. From what i think they probably will try to rope in a super dooper Swami types (Agnivesh won't do), Another is approaching some close family member of Narendra Modi himself with tempting offers to stand up against NM. But surely UPA will be upto some dirty below belt kind of stuff.

NM's close family members would be his brothers. Each one of them is an idealist who can't be bought. In fact con has already tried it several times. His elder brother is the head of the association of fair price shops. To perform his own dharma he protests against some of the policies of state govt. This gave a killer idea to con's dirty mind. But he kicked out them. If they were opportunists then they would be living a far more wealthy life than they currently do. In fact con dirty mind has tried for Jashoda ben as well. Sick.

niran · Post by **niran** » 19 Mar 2014 11:30

ramana wrote:niran and JohneeG, Modi winning from Varanasi and becoming PM is like return of Hemu. It will finally kill Mughal Durbar.

I like Gu's idea to make Amith Shah the PM in waiting. That will ensure Modi gets the seat!!!

i hear Amit shah gonna contest from Ghandhinagar and NaMo from Vadodara too, that is 2 Vs

Son of kashi naresh is supposed to contest from Varanasi on Congress tikit

Thakurs in Benaras are mostly in Thekedari, real estate, Coal, Banarasi sari printing and vakalat(lawyers)
and they vote BJP have been voting BJP since its inception, even in shyamlal yadav win during Indira death wave
BJP scored 2nd.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 19 Mar 2014 11:48

Lota almost final to contest from Bhopal. Seems like SSC sent a proposal to Lota to stand from Bhopal and not Gandhinagar after Lota's sympathizers withing the BJP warned him of possible sabotage.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 19 Mar 2014 11:50

patel · Post by **patel** » 19 Mar 2014 13:46

AJ is apparently NM's guru and has been for a long long time now.

M Joshi · Post by **M Joshi** » 19 Mar 2014 14:32

Check out this video from Headlines Today channel. We've a doppelganger playing out every sickularist's wet dream. They are not even trying to make an effort to hide their loyalties.

SanjayC · Post by **SanjayC** » 19 Mar 2014 14:40

Marten wrote:
Chandragupta wrote:Lota almost final to contest from Bhopal. Seems like SSC sent a proposal to Lota to stand from Bhopal and not Gandhinagar after Lota's sympathizers withing the BJP warned him of possible sabotage.
Who is Lota?

I have requested posters many times not to use code words or abbreviations as these are incomprehensible to most other forum visitors. The idea is for these discussions to reach a wider set of visitors who browse this forum, and not just carry code word conversations with your forum pals.

Lota seems to be Advani. SSC seems to be Shivraj Chauhan, though I may be wrong.

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 19 Mar 2014 15:05

Anantha wrote:Modiji has shown us the path. Let us start the revival of our ancient Dharma from Varnasi.
Here the Ati rathis of Banaras Gharana Mishra Bandhu are singing two complex morning ragas at Sankat Mochan temple

Let us all take an oath to learn at least one ancient Hindu art and propagate our values.

Once you understand the complexities of our ragas (or other art), one will realize the super genius nature of our ancestors.

Mesmerising.

patel · Post by **patel** » 19 Mar 2014 15:11

Marten wrote:
patel wrote:AJ is apparently NM's guru and has been for a long long time now.
Impossible. You're the first to say it in a decade, on this forum or anywhere else. Substantiate.

I have close links to the cadre of Gujarat BJP, my cousin holds a district level post with connections that go fairly high up in the food chain, apart from his inputs - Here is the wiki article on AJ. Remember AJ has been a poll manager for BJP for decades now and Modi was doing the same before he was catapulted in Gujarat to become CM.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arun_Jaitley

In 2002, Jaitley helped his close associate, Narendra Modi, win the Gujarat Assembly elections with a landslide mandate, winning 126 out of 182 seats.

In December 2007, Jaitley orchestrated a well organized campaign to return the incumbent Chief Minister Narendra Modi back to power. The BJP won 117 seats out of the 182 seats. Narendra Modi specifically asked the party high command to depute Jaitley in Gujarat. The primary poll issues were pro-incumbency of Narendra Modi and good governance by the state administration.

patel · Post by **patel** » 19 Mar 2014 15:21

Marten wrote:
patel wrote:AJ is apparently NM's guru and has been for a long long time now.
Impossible. You're the first to say it in a decade, on this forum or anywhere else. Substantiate.

Oh wait, was that sarcasm?

Anyhow,
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/bjp- ... 93723.html

Jaitley turned it down saying that he didn't want to get bogged in local politics; he was first going to become a star lawyer and then a star politician.

He has achieved that. But he is now paying the price for having spurned Khurana's offer. Never having fought an election, he is burdened with a Page Three persona.

He wanted to rectify his image by contesting a Lok Sabha seat in 2004. He was keen on Amritsar, a reasonably safe bet. His buddy and Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi had offered him a seat too.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 19 Mar 2014 15:35

Where is NaMo's campaign? Ever since elections, he has gone out of sight. What's going on?

He needs to get back into the game

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 19 Mar 2014 15:50

front page namo ad in toi print edition today.

James B · Post by **James B** » 19 Mar 2014 16:13

From what I know, NaMo is good friends with Jaitley. Jaitley is contesting from Amritsar on the advice of NaMo. He will be political strategist for the BJP govt.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 19 Mar 2014 16:18

SanjayC wrote:
Marten wrote: Who is Lota?
I have requested posters many times not to use code words or abbreviations as these are incomprehensible to most other forum visitors. The idea is for these discussions to reach a wider set of visitors who browse this forum, and not just carry code word conversations with your forum pals.

Lota seems to be Advani. SSC seems to be Shivraj Chauhan, though I may be wrong.

Sanjay, Marten saars, Lota is Advani, yes.

Sanjay ji, there is no wider set of visitors here in GDF.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 19 Mar 2014 16:23

Advani wants to be transferred to Bhopal, MP. NaMo has not only stopped transfer of Gir Lions to MP, but also Geedarhs are not allowed any transfer.

If LKA fights from Bhopal, Congress people would go to town saying either that NaMo has hounded LKA out or that LKA, the BJP Patriarch, cannot trust NaMo.

Now LKA playing his little sulking game again, by not attending the Central Election Committee of BJP meeting today.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 19 Mar 2014 16:27

Also as elections near whenever i go to youtube for some old hindi songs, rahul's ads are now replaced with NaMo. Due to less funds maybe BJP waited till now starting to spend on ads.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 19 Mar 2014 16:34

The sulking old man should be kicked out unceremoniously. He has brought this on to himself. Will the BJP cadre in Bhopal even want to campaign for this selfish has been?

He sulks at the drop of a hat. What a dramaqueen.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 19 Mar 2014 16:57

I feel wary of arun jaitley's role, when NaMo govt. is formed. He might protect kukarmi burkha & rajdeep just the way brajesh played pointman of maino in Vajpayee govt.

http://kafila.org/2013/02/14/freedom-of ... -powerful/

Arun Jaitley says he was on the verge of referring to Radia intercepts in the Rajya Sabha when Barkha came to see him and pleaded with him not to mention the conversations in his attack on the government.

It'd be a sad precedent for future criminals (burkha, rajdeep types) if arun jaitley manages to convince NaMo to go easy on the corruption dalaali case of both of these. burkha fell lower than gutter when she called Gujarati people "effete" for democratically electing NaMo.

patel · Post by **patel** » 19 Mar 2014 17:07

Dhananjay wrote:I feel wary of arun jaitley's role, when NaMo govt. is formed. He might protect kukarmi burkha & rajdeep just the way brajesh played pointman of maino in Vajpayee govt.

http://kafila.org/2013/02/14/freedom-of ... -powerful/

Arun Jaitley says he was on the verge of referring to Radia intercepts in the Rajya Sabha when Barkha came to see him and pleaded with him not to mention the conversations in his attack on the government.
It'd be a sad precedent for future criminals (burkha, rajdeep types) if arun jaitley manages to convince NaMo to go easy on the corruption dalaali case of both of these. burkha fell lower than gutter when she called Gujarati people "effete" for democratically electing NaMo.

That is highly unlikely, you make compromises with the enemy when you're in no position to put up a fight THAT would change once the BJP is in power and then the spades shall be called spades. The relentless attacks on NaMo all these years would not be forgotten by him and as a consequence by others under him as well. NaMo's disgust for the Lutyen's journalists has only grown over the years and hopefully he will deal with them accordingly.

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 19 Mar 2014 17:11

Dear All,

I will repeat what I have said before. Storm is coming on 1-apr-2014 on gas price rise issue. If gas prices double as it has been said, then AK-420 will go on dharana and his dharana will get huge paid-media support, and also public support. And then the Congress will ask EC to defer the price rise , and EC will agree with deferring, and credit will go to AK. Solution I propose are OST and are on by facebook wall at https://www.facebook.com/mehtarahulc/po ... 5523941922

I dont know what option BJP leaders have. As such, I dont see any options, as BJP leaders had agreed with doubling of gas price , without explaining to public why they did so.

IMO, those who are close to BJP-leaders should ask them to think of some preparations to this coming storm. One option is I see is to agree with terms and conditions with owners of Congress/AAP such as agree with FDI in defense etc.

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And why is BJP not disclosing manifesto? The date to fill forms for phase-1 candidates is now 20th mar i.e. tomorrow. When will manifesto come? In jul-2014?

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 19 Mar 2014 17:19

I dont know what option BJP leaders have. As such, I dont see any options, as BJP leaders had agreed with doubling of gas price , without explaining to public why they did so.

Who agreed?

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 19 Mar 2014 17:30

AFAIK no party has released their manifesto. there is no use of the manifesto of BJP alone. They will release common minimum program of NDA - or so I hope.

In any case, which central govt has executed their election manifesto till date, hain ji?

BTW, where are you contesting from Rahulbhai? You might be in for a chance from Gandhinagar

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 19 Mar 2014 17:44

I dont know what option BJP leaders have. As such, I dont see any options, as BJP leaders had agreed with doubling of gas price , without explaining to public why they did so.

vivek.rao wrote:Who agreed?

BJP-leaders didnt oppose gas price rise with much weight. There was token opposition only. They also didnt make it election issue. BJP-leaders tried to push the issue under the carpet. Either they should have openly opposed it, or explained to public why they support it. Their attempt to ignore it away has given a chance to MNC-paid-mediamen and AK-420 to make it an issue against them.

kapilrdave wrote:AFAIK no party has released their manifesto. there is no use of the manifesto of BJP alone. They will release common minimum program of NDA - or so I hope. In any case, which central govt has executed their election manifesto till date, hain ji? BTW, where are you contesting from Rahulbhai? You might be in for a chance from Gandhinagar

Yes, manifesto isnt all that important. But if it was there, I didnt want to miss it.

I will contest from Gandhinagar if NaMo and Amit Shah dont contest from there. Because if they are contesting, then only issue will be "should NaMo be PM" and "should Amit Shah be HomeMin" and so my issue i.e. "what law-drafts should be passed" issue will get completely crushed. I openly support Amit Shah for his "encounters", and he did them as per my "orders" i.e. orders from citizens of Gujarat.

I dont have chance of winning. BJP is too strong no matter who stands.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 19 Mar 2014 17:55

Rahul Mehta ji,

swear your fidelity to #NaMo, tatoo his fotu on your chest and fight the election from Vidisha as an Independent. Very very good chances!

Then you will not have to hang around with the riff-raff of BRF, teaching to the unconvertibles, and can finally do some good work in the Indian Parliament.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Mar 2014 18:15

Media reports ths morning that LKA to ontest from Bhopal.
This raises two issues:
- LKA is not sure of winning from Gandhinagar which he (mis)represented all these years. The flip side is he was allowed to win all these years and refelcts on his lack of appeal to voters.
- LKA does not trust his own party in Gujarat.

Best option is for him to contest from Telangana and show SS how true leaders fight elections.

What a sad sack. Instead of retiring gracefully he still wants to sabotage BJP.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 19 Mar 2014 18:20

There was a report that BJP CEC has recommended Gandhinagar for Advani and asked Sushma Swaraj to do the persuading.

She would do it knowing that if he is not there in the next Parliament, Sushma Swaraj would become Susan Storm.

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 19 Mar 2014 18:21

Rahul Mehta wrote: BJP-leaders didnt oppose gas price rise with much weight. There was token opposition only. They also didnt make it election issue.

Setting aside the rights and wrongs of that policy, do you really think an esoteric topic like gas pricing is popular enough to make it an election issue? Should Modi be expending efforts in his speeches deriving gas prices from different variables?
Right now he has a very simple and effective message - Development. It resonates with people and they see Modi as a viable candidate. Why move away from such a simple, proven and effective message? The issues you want to highlight and too varied and disparate to be communicated effectively.
Iff you think that NaMo is the best among the lot and more chances of him than anyone else closer to your positions, why not support him now and continue to question him on these issues post election? Why make it an election issue?

member_28352 · Post by **member_28352** » 19 Mar 2014 18:22

AoA, Heard that Digvijay Singh will contest against Modi from Kashi

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 19 Mar 2014 18:26

Rahul Mehta wrote: I dont have chance of winning. BJP is too strong no matter who stands.

You are absolutely right. Appreciate the realism.

Ramana ji, BJP's chances in G'nagar can't be sabotaged even by BJP itself. Only grandpa doesn't realize it.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 19 Mar 2014 18:31

Bhagodakejri is pooping all over

From I will contest in Varanasi to Now

1. No matter if I contest in Varanasi, I will ask people to defeat Modi

2. We will challenge Modi in both seats (note 'we' not I)

3. No party will win majority and there will be elections in 1-2 years

I think they tried to scare Modi not to go to Varanasi using crazy wala. It did not work. Even RMji was shivering in his dhoti. Now Crazywala is shivering in his muffler

merlin · Post by **merlin** » 19 Mar 2014 18:34

Not sure this bears any discussion but I see a very curious set of questions here - http://www.indiatomorrow.net/eng/indias ... ts-amnesty

Of these 2, 3, 4 and 5 are reasonable. 6 is curious and I don't know why people so strongly support it to the exclusion of discussion on far more serious issues. 7, 9, 10 are clearly mischievous. 11 is a clear double-edged sword. 15 and 16 are clear interference into Indian affairs by western agencies with Amnesty as the cat's paw.

If there is an NDA government next at the center, Amnesty must be banned in India and all foreigners working for it here kicked out and Indians jailed for sedition

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 19 Mar 2014 18:36

See what our old resident anarchist jholawala writing about Bhagoda -
http://www.rediff.com/news/column/ls-el ... 140318.htm

How delusional these leftist fellows get.