Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 20 Mar 2014 08:02

nageshks wrote:Folks,
Has Advani himself said anything in press actually, or is this all MSM chaiwala news? Personally, I have trouble believing that Advani thinks NaMo would sabotage his election in the heart of Gujarat. It would be a huge blot on NaMo if he did that, and NaMo is not a vindictive man, particularly towards a man who has been his mentor. Advani knows that. Is our MSM out to create a controversy where none exists to cater to their masters?

Very true, lka said nothing, all started by telegraph and ndtv

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 20 Mar 2014 08:06

nageshks wrote:Folks,
Has Advani himself said anything in press actually, or is this all MSM chaiwala news? Personally, I have trouble believing that Advani thinks NaMo would sabotage his election in the heart of Gujarat. It would be a huge blot on NaMo if he did that, and NaMo is not a vindictive man, particularly towards a man who has been his mentor. Advani knows that. Is our MSM out to create a controversy where none exists to cater to their masters?

when was the last time he openly talked to the press.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 20 Mar 2014 08:08

KJoishy wrote:
chetak wrote:It was wrong to disinvite Modi, writes Upenn professor (Part 1)

Oho. Now this joker wakes up. If NaMo was not PM in waiting, this clown would be gloating to impress his bosses.

Saar, please to check the date of the article. The woman who wrote the article did so when NaMo was disinvited. She has been a long time NaMo supporter, has been a supporter from before NaMo became PM candidate. Useful to check facts before pouring vitriol on people.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 20 Mar 2014 08:11

KJoishy wrote:
chetak wrote:It was wrong to disinvite Modi, writes Upenn professor (Part 1)

Oho. Now this joker wakes up. If NaMo was not PM in waiting, this clown would be gloating to impress his bosses.

dated march 2013.
1 year old article.
she has also taken on the leftists in upenne and other universities recently since that episode.Naming of NaMo has opened dormant activists like her.

She is right of center.totally sold into Modi ideas.check her teetar. you will see her straight thru"

Beleive it or not-- there are many right of center people who were dormant due to none too impressive folks in BJP(only rt of center party in India worth considering).NaMo advent has glavanised a lot of these folks.

These are not jokers but genuine ones who were in a minority and not too powerful.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 20 Mar 2014 08:18

Ok, in that case, I take back my comment.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 20 Mar 2014 08:26

KJoishy wrote:
chetak wrote:It was wrong to disinvite Modi, writes Upenn professor (Part 1)

Oho. Now this joker wakes up. If NaMo was not PM in waiting, this clown would be gloating to impress his bosses.

Who are you talking about Saswati? It is a 'She', and she is a big NaMo fan? There is a video out there where along with Aseem Shukla (of the HAF fame) take on Loomba and Ghose. While Aseem was dignified and mild, Saswati kept tearing those two.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 20 Mar 2014 09:19

Kakkaji wrote:LKA is losing all the respect he earned through a long political innings.

What a comedown.

His move to Gandhinagar was under similar circumstances.

He won by a very narrow margin to Rajesh Khanna in New Delhi, moved to Gandhinagar (may have contested from two constituencies) and stayed there since then.

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 20 Mar 2014 10:30

I really don't understand what is the issue with LKA. He can't lose in G'nagar although he has been a pathetic MP. People vote for BJP not candidate. Party cadres have to do very little work here. It is shocking that he is not aware about the nature of his own constituency. If anything, he is reducing his own chances by doing this dramabazi.

negi · Post by **negi** » 20 Mar 2014 10:35

LKA was rightfully banished to MMS category years back when he went to his homeland and sang paeans about Jinnah; he is proving himself to be true son of soil (Karachi ki paidawar).

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 20 Mar 2014 10:37

what is a 90 year old doing trying to be a mp???

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 20 Mar 2014 10:41

His daughter could be egging him in all this. Does not seem to have any other job. Is always seen with him at all function. Another despicable VIP vulture.

Even went together to see the assault on Tiger hill in 1999 from a VIP vantage point.

durvasa · Post by **durvasa** » 20 Mar 2014 11:00

I somehow have the feeling that whole LKA-NaMo is orchestrated to dominate MSM, pushing out Fraud and Pappu from screens and front page. Finally LKA will get his pre-selected seat, which may or may not be Gandhinagar. NaMo has enough respect for LKA, and rightly so. Similarly LKA is not so stupid and not so arrogant to go against RSS ethos. It's difficult to imagine otherwise.

sooraj · Post by **sooraj** » 20 Mar 2014 12:49

Jaswant Singh to fight as independent if denied ticket from Barmer: Report
http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/ja ... 19084.html

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 20 Mar 2014 12:51

to get back in limelight, Khujliwal will now declare that he will also contest from where LKA contests and will "seek justice" over babri masjid...

niran · Post by **niran** » 20 Mar 2014 13:38

Paul wrote:His daughter could be egging him in all this. Does not seem to have any other job. Is always seen with him at all function. Another despicable VIP vulture.

Even went together to see the assault on Tiger hill in 1999 from a VIP vantage point.

his daughter and another daughter witha surname of sibal together formed a media company which produces
a TV programe regarding health/beauty or some such thing, she even anchors first few episodes, all in all
politikal brats lutyen dweller.

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 20 Mar 2014 14:26

All - today (Thursday, March 20) at 7:30 AM Central Standard Time US, which is about 7 PM in India, the Houston GIBV organization is organizing a LIVE chai-pe-charcha with Modi!!

Houstonians will assemble at the local India House with breakfast & chai served. Those in other places can participate via Facebook. Go to https://www.facebook.com/events/609813639100018 and join.

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 20 Mar 2014 15:25

KJoishy wrote:
chetak wrote:It was wrong to disinvite Modi, writes Upenn professor (Part 1)

Oho. Now this joker wakes up. If NaMo was not PM in waiting, this clown would be gloating to impress his bosses.

That is a wrong assessment. This lady has been a consistent supporter of NAMO and quite prolific on twitter.

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 20 Mar 2014 15:28

^^ +1

She has consistently come across as being a rank anti-pseudoseculars.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 20 Mar 2014 15:44

rohitvats wrote:
KJoishy wrote:
{quote="chetak"}It was wrong to disinvite Modi, writes Upenn professor (Part 1){/quote}

Oho. Now this joker wakes up. If NaMo was not PM in waiting, this clown would be gloating to impress his bosses.
That is a wrong assessment. This lady has been a consistent supporter of NAMO and quite prolific on twitter.

Very vocal, very consistent and totally unfazed in the face of pseudo secular ganged up assaults on TV channels.

very few BJP folks even come close to her (fire)brand of total support to NaMo.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 20 Mar 2014 18:00

Marten wrote:She's also been critical of BJP when they made retrograde moves. Never couches her views despite the hate showered by a lot of RWs itself.
I think even folks I know IRL are a little sceptical, but are slowly accepting her as a RWer. No one of course can certify the other.

Many in the BJP need to be quietly led outside and SHOT.

Starting with $%...... of course, and %^&* and !@#$.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 20 Mar 2014 18:34

Looks like the HJC BJP problem has been resolved. Good way too.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/haryana/h ... 19128.html

BJP is definitely better positioned in Karnal. Maybe they can shift Ramesh Kaushik to Karnal and reinstate Pradeep Sangwan in Sonepat. Also, Sushil Kumar Indora of the HJC is a very good candidate for Sirsa, better than anyone the BJP could care to field there. Also, Hisar-Sirsa is Bhajan Lal home turf, so giving Sirsa to HJC makes perfect sense.

/*rant mode on*/
I don't understand why Sushma refuses to contest Karnal. With Modi wave, her own vote (yes, Sushma has a considerable amount of Brahmin vote in Haryana, and in Karnal, it can be decisive even), and the slump in Congress with all the scams they are facing, Sushma could have got Venod Sharma to support her and won the seat for the BJP and actually helped her own standing. Wouldn't the reputation of a leader who has won a seat the BJP has not won in a decade actually help her? Exactly what makes her so jittery? Or is she so spoiled now that she has lost all her old fighting spirit? Anyway, I am more disgusted with her pusillanimity and lack of initiative than any of her so called arrangements with the Mafia (which is more of a conspiracy theory, anyway).
/* rant mode off */

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 20 Mar 2014 19:42

chetak wrote:
Marten wrote:She's also been critical of BJP when they made retrograde moves. Never couches her views despite the hate showered by a lot of RWs itself.
I think even folks I know IRL are a little sceptical, but are slowly accepting her as a RWer. No one of course can certify the other.
Many in the BJP need to be quietly led outside and SHOT.

Starting with $%...... of course, and %^&* and !@#$.

Is it kosher here? Such ideas should not be welcome in democracy.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 20 Mar 2014 19:44

nageshks wrote:Looks like the HJC BJP problem has been resolved. Good way too.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/haryana/h ... 19128.html

BJP is definitely better positioned in Karnal. Maybe they can shift Ramesh Kaushik to Karnal and reinstate Pradeep Sangwan in Sonepat. Also, Sushil Kumar Indora of the HJC is a very good candidate for Sirsa, better than anyone the BJP could care to field there. Also, Hisar-Sirsa is Bhajan Lal home turf, so giving Sirsa to HJC makes perfect sense.

/*rant mode on*/
I don't understand why Sushma refuses to contest Karnal. With Modi wave, her own vote (yes, Sushma has a considerable amount of Brahmin vote in Haryana, and in Karnal, it can be decisive even), and the slump in Congress with all the scams they are facing, Sushma could have got Venod Sharma to support her and won the seat for the BJP and actually helped her own standing. Wouldn't the reputation of a leader who has won a seat the BJP has not won in a decade actually help her? Exactly what makes her so jittery? Or is she so spoiled now that she has lost all her old fighting spirit? Anyway, I am more disgusted with her pusillanimity and lack of initiative than any of her so called arrangements with the Mafia (which is more of a conspiracy theory, anyway).
/* rant mode off */

To add on, BJP can win vidisha anyway, so it adds 1 seat to BJP.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 20 Mar 2014 20:19

chaanakya wrote:
chetak wrote:{quote="Marten"}She's also been critical of BJP when they made retrograde moves. Never couches her views despite the hate showered by a lot of RWs itself.
I think even folks I know IRL are a little sceptical, but are slowly accepting her as a RWer. No one of course can certify the other. {/quote}

Many in the BJP need to be quietly led outside and SHOT.

Starting with $%...... of course, and %^&* and !@#$.
Is it kosher here? Such ideas should not be welcome in democracy.

Sorry, saar, completely forgot about the democracy part.

let's just leave them outside and let nature take it's course

BTW, I notice that even karat and yechury et al talk about democracy even when they clearly do not believe in it nor even practice it except when it DIRECTLY applies to themselves, Democracy is so kosher.

Even the fascists prefer to be democratic.

disha · Post by **disha** » 20 Mar 2014 20:24

chetak wrote:Very vocal, very consistent and totally unfazed in the face of pseudo secular ganged up assaults on TV channels.

very few BJP folks even come close to her (fire)brand of total support to NaMo.

At the same time she suffers from Secularitis (tm).

She (Sarkar Swati) is a very vocal NaMo supporter (good)., but she has a penchant to show herself better than the "riff-raff" supporters of NaMo/BJP/anti-Congress.

The way she moralizes her fellow compatriots sometimes, you wonder where will her support end and where will her moralizing penchant begin? For eg. ask her about dowry, sati/jauhar and child marriage and just mention you think all of them were relevant in a particular day and age and see her reaction

Where was she (and others new comers) in 2002? I have a word for them "proto NaMo Supporters" (just like Proto-Indo-oirope language, which was invented ipso-facto sanskrit, using sanskrit).

Anyway, the larger goal is to defeat CONgoons and their C-System. They have destroyed Bharat and now bent on destroying India. So all warriors in that larger goal are welcome.

sooraj · Post by **sooraj** » 20 Mar 2014 20:30

Graphic novel to tell Narendra Modi’s tale

http://www.hindustantimes.com/elections ... 97412.aspx

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 20 Mar 2014 20:33

Disha sir,
Let's not be an Auranzeb or like follower of certain religion where the motto is I am only Right!! (or my way or the highway). Sanatana Dharma allows for varied view and her view is as welcomed as yours and mine, that too when she is on your side. Saying that to defeat con lets take her help (and later dump her or her kind) is very anti-indic. This is not to say that your or mine view point is wrong (neither is hers) and we need to dilute it in any way, but her view point is as legitimate as yours/mine and wit that she is welcome to kill the monster and then be on our side of the fence (with our differences).

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 20 Mar 2014 20:37

disha wrote:
chetak wrote:Very vocal, very consistent and totally unfazed in the face of pseudo secular ganged up assaults on TV channels.

very few BJP folks even come close to her (fire)brand of total support to NaMo.
At the same time she suffers from Secularitis (tm).

She (Sarkar Swati) is a very vocal NaMo supporter (good)., but she has a penchant to show herself better than the "riff-raff" supporters of NaMo/BJP/anti-Congress.

The way she moralizes her fellow compatriots sometimes, you wonder where will her support end and where will her moralizing penchant begin? For eg. ask her about dowry, sati/jauhar and child marriage and just mention you think all of them were relevant in a particular day and age and see her reaction

Where was she (and others new comers) in 2002? I have a word for them "proto NaMo Supporters" (just like Proto-Indo-oirope language, which was invented ipso-facto sanskrit, using sanskrit).

Anyway, the larger goal is to defeat CONgoons and their C-System. They have destroyed Bharat and now bent on destroying India. So all warriors in that larger goal are welcome.

Very sorry sirjee for being absent minded

My mistake.

Swati is ok too.

But I was talking of Madhu Kishwar

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 20 Mar 2014 20:44

disha wrote:
chetak wrote:Very vocal, very consistent and totally unfazed in the face of pseudo secular ganged up assaults on TV channels.

very few BJP folks even come close to her (fire)brand of total support to NaMo.
At the same time she suffers from Secularitis (tm).

She (Sarkar Swati) is a very vocal NaMo supporter (good)., but she has a penchant to show herself better than the "riff-raff" supporters of NaMo/BJP/anti-Congress.

The way she moralizes her fellow compatriots sometimes, you wonder where will her support end and where will her moralizing penchant begin? For eg. ask her about dowry, sati/jauhar and child marriage and just mention you think all of them were relevant in a particular day and age and see her reaction

Where was she (and others new comers) in 2002? I have a word for them "proto NaMo Supporters" (just like Proto-Indo-oirope language, which was invented ipso-facto sanskrit, using sanskrit).

Anyway, the larger goal is to defeat CONgoons and their C-System. They have destroyed Bharat and now bent on destroying India. So all warriors in that larger goal are welcome.

+1

However, better to have a NaMo supporter on twitter than not. And she is a NaMo supporter. For now.

satya · Post by **satya** » 20 Mar 2014 21:08

In Haryana : Rohtak , Sonipat & Bhiwani are Congress's seats to lose . There's a possibility of Bhiwani slipping away from congress thanks to Hooda's rivalry with Kiran Chaudhary . But if Sonipat goes away from Congress then Hooda & Congress are all set to lose assembly elections very badly .

Sirsa looks a good seat for HJC if INLD co-operate ( Chautala's home cositituency ) . Hisar is a contest between Dushyant ( chautala's grandson ) & Kuldeep ( HJC) . Looks like a warm up for assembly . Congress not in picture here except cutting Jats votes for Dushyant .
Karnal is a unique seat in haryana as brahmins & sonis ( sunar community) tend to vote on community basis . So if BJP can put up a good candidate ( provided they find one ) & get INLD-committed votes then its their seat.
Gurgaon has meow muslims & ahir ( yadavs ) in substantial numbers. But meows tend to follow their mullahs and mullahs tend to follow money so one with highest bid gets their support. That's how Inderjit swinged the election against a BSP muslim meow candidate who was counting on fellow meows . As for AAP party's Yadav , i think he will cut some votes .So its still an open seat but good chances for BJP .
To sum up : Congress will be more than happy for keeping 3 seats & getting 1-2 bonus ones . BJP did right thing by contesting 8 seats thereby giving them space to cut deal with INLD something HJC would have found hard to do .

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 20 Mar 2014 21:26

Thanks for the analysis, Satya-ji.

satya wrote: Sirsa looks a good seat for HJC if INLD co-operate ( Chautala's home cositituency ) . Hisar is a contest between Dushyant ( chautala's grandson ) & Kuldeep ( HJC) . Looks like a warm up for assembly . Congress not in picture here except cutting Jats votes for Dushyant .

Congress candidate is Sampat Singh, the former Revenue minister from INLD and a powerful leader in his own right. You don't think he could pose a threat to Kuldeep and Dushyant?

Karnal is a unique seat in haryana as brahmins & sonis ( sunar community) tend to vote on community basis . So if BJP can put up a good candidate ( provided they find one ) & get INLD-committed votes then its their seat.

BJP has declared a Brahmin (Ramesh Kaushik - okay, I know, it is the kind of guy you need to hold your nose to vote, but still, a Brahmin) in neighbouring Sonepat. If they can put up a good Soni candidate here in Karnal, maybe they can win? Are there any good Soni candidates available for the BJP?

Also, any ideas about the Kurukshetra seat? Do you think former minister, Rajkumar Saini can do anything against Jindal?

negi · Post by **negi** » 20 Mar 2014 23:02

Spomeone on Shaefali Vaidya's FB wall

"Candidate ticket distribution has been seriously messed up in Haryana ..BJP could have easily won 7-8 seats ..but due to the pathetic ticket distribution it is going to go down ..they had good candidates ..but still the worst were given tickets -example - Ramesh Kaushik in Sonipat ..the entire Jat vote is now going to split between BJP and INLD instead of 100% BJP ...Sushma Swaraj is trying to dig grave for NAMO ..many traitors within BJP !!!"

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 21 Mar 2014 00:03

Madhu K Vs Kulkarni

Is it in the best interest of BJP that Advani retires from politics?

http://ibnlive.in.com/videos/459133/is- ... itics.html

RoFL moment when she says "Jinnah moment for which Mr Kulkarni himself is responsible".

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 21 Mar 2014 00:26

negi wrote:Spomeone on Shaefali Vaidya's FB wall

"Candidate ticket distribution has been seriously messed up in Haryana ..BJP could have easily won 7-8 seats ..but due to the pathetic ticket distribution it is going to go down ..they had good candidates ..but still the worst were given tickets -example - Ramesh Kaushik in Sonipat ..the entire Jat vote is now going to split between BJP and INLD instead of 100% BJP ...Sushma Swaraj is trying to dig grave for NAMO ..many traitors within BJP !!!"

That theory is fine, but just is a theory. Sonepat-Rohtak is Hooda's home turf. Forget taking Jat vote there (which neither BJP, nor INLD can do), even Khatris and Banias in the region are going to vote the Congress. There is a very strong business lobby that has benefited from Hooda, who has worked for the Rohtak-Sonepat region, and they are going to vote for him. There is nothing BJP can do about it. BJP had to field a Brahmin somewhere to consolidate the Brahmin vote in the state, and they decided to field Ramesh Kaushik there (making the best of a bad job, I suppose). If BJP had known it was going to get Karnal (they swapped Sirsa for Karnal with the HJC only today), they may have fielded a different candidate in Sonepat (and whoever they fielded - Abhimanyu Singh or Pradeep Sangwan - in Sonepat would still lose). All in all, BJP has done a good job in Haryana, given the limitations they are facing. BJP just does not have a star studded team to field as the Congress, or even the INLD does. They are doing the best with the resources at their disposal.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 21 Mar 2014 00:41

Priyanka Gandhi to contest against Modi
http://aajtak.intoday.in/story/congress ... 58420.html
if true khujli is turfed against Priyanka

Sachin was asked to contest against Modi
http://aajtak.intoday.in/story/sachin-t ... 58381.html

disha · Post by **disha** » 21 Mar 2014 01:02

IndraD wrote:Priyanka Gandhi to contest against Modi
http://aajtak.intoday.in/story/congress ... 58420.html
if true khujli is turfed against Priyanka

Sachin was asked to contest against Modi
http://aajtak.intoday.in/story/sachin-t ... 58381.html

Either will be made to loose by varanasi!

From grapevine, Modi's doppleganger (hamshakal) is already drawing huge crowds in Varanasi - on behalf of Modi.

Modi should start unleashing his 3D avatars - both real and virtual and see the effect!

satya · Post by **satya** » 21 Mar 2014 01:15

Nageshji

Sampat Singh used to be in INLD only next to Chautala in party hiearchy but parted ways . On his own , he had struggled hard to move beyond his assembly seat but found going tough . His presence means that he will cut into jat votes thereby helping Kuldip but will he cut deeper into jat votes than Jai Prakash ( used to be congress nominee in past ) highly unlikely in my opinion .As per my information its contest between Dushyant & Kuldip . Kuldip won last time by a very small margin thanks to last night vote purchase & some old time committed votebank from his father's era . His margin of victory was very small iirc less than 10,000 . INLD support base is very vocal and most committed among jats ( including urs truely's family at the forefront for Dushyant but minus the poster himself ) . If INLD can swing rural areas big time ( there's sympathy factor for Chautala senior ), i think Kuldip will find it hard to win this time without polarisation of non-jat voters in both rural and urban centers . Sampat/ sampati singh ( thnxx to money he made under chautalas ) is a distant 3rd baring some miracle .
I cannot comment on Kurushetra for lack of feedback till now . In haryana people are seeing this election as semi-final before assembly elections .

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 21 Mar 2014 02:49

nageshks wrote: That theory is fine, but just is a theory. Sonepat-Rohtak is Hooda's home turf. Forget taking Jat vote there (which neither BJP, nor INLD can do), even Khatris and Banias in the region are going to vote the Congress. There is a very strong business lobby that has benefited from Hooda, who has worked for the Rohtak-Sonepat region, and they are going to vote for him.....

But there were some articles last year, how much Sonipat people are against hooda - congress - mms as they sabotaged the sonipat-kundli-manesar-gurgaon highway which was to be ready by 2008 is now in complete limbo, would be a miracle if it completes in this decade.

Though rohtak hooda has worked a lot.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 Mar 2014 03:02

I think LKA and his coterie is trying to move out of Gujarat and setup camp in MP. Recall SS visit to Shivraj Chauhan asking for Bhopal seat a few days ago.
The game plan is to move out of reach of Gujarat and set-up out of reach of NaMo. It also makes them nearer to the non-BJP controlled belt stretching from Maha, Karnataka, Kerala,TN, Telangana, AP, Odissa, WB if they want o reject.
This move if analysed properly is to preserve the Mughal Durbar which return of Hemu is about to destroy.

They should reflect on the fact that SSC has won the recent Assy elections only with strenous campaign by Modi in his state. Before that it was touch and go even for him.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 21 Mar 2014 03:13

IndraD wrote:Priyanka Gandhi to contest against Modi
http://aajtak.intoday.in/story/congress ... 58420.html
if true khujli is turfed against Priyanka

Sachin was asked to contest against Modi
http://aajtak.intoday.in/story/sachin-t ... 58381.html

I don't think MAFIA will go for such a stupid thing. Once the PAPPINI loses with NaMO, PAPPINI and her whole DIEnasty charm/mytique will be gone. The DIEnasty MAFIA can't affrod that.

AAJTAK has been a great source of CONGi,AAP poison spreader. Not sure if it is Birlas have directly co-opted by MAFIA. But Birlas,Ambanis and their vast foreign interests seemed to have lost all Indic patriotism. They need to be reined in and destroyed if they can't.