Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 21 Mar 2014 02:38

Harpal Bector wrote:The names of the ex-Seals and the their employment with Trident were known after the police and autopsy reports in the Seychelles were made public some weeks ago. The COD was listed as heroin overdose. This is hard to believe as most security companies require drug testing and seals are typically very disciplined individuals.

Au contraire, drugs and drug use is there amongst many professional athletes precisely because they are so fit or because they have recurrent pain from injuries.

Just like a professional athlete a relatively minor injury can render a SOF operator unfit for combat duty.

The Navy seal who shot Bin Laden had multiple vertabrae fused thanks to a para accident. The joke he made about his peers was everyone is carrying metal - i.e. embedded metal thanks to prior injuries etc.

These guys are mega fit and also determined which allows them to persevere through otherwise bad injuries. But when out of that overall environment and support system, they obviously have a hard time.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 21 Mar 2014 03:53

Singha wrote:hoegh st petersburg - not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed for this, but as per unspoken laws of the sea, they will help. could be able to locate some pieces and drop some locator buoys or stand around until official ships arrive.

http://kelvindavies.co.uk/kelvin/data/m ... C_8123.jpg

Austin & John pls note - extremely heavy battery of RAM boxes all around the rails.

Singha Ji :

Are they extremely heavy battery of RAM Boxes or are they Ventilators leading from/to the Car Decks?

Cheers

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 21 Mar 2014 04:04

Question - on the southern trajectory, how did the plane route to avoid any radar detection from Indonesia?

Thanks in advance!

E.g., see this: Indonesian military radar did not detect MH370
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2014 ... ister.html

E.g, the southern route as depicted here goes over Indonesia. If the plane did not fly over Indonesian air space, it must have taken a series of turns. Pre-programmed?

(taken from http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... tries.html )

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 21 Mar 2014 04:25

FYI. Insurance - international flight == warsaw convention = peanuts. And there are time limits on that.

Frankly, this has been a remarkable story. And to think boeing chose to charge $10 per flight for tracking, and malaysia chose to not pay it! I step out of this one -- its too weird for me. See you all in the usual caves from hereon.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 21 Mar 2014 04:31

Take away the "last radar contact" which is a Malaysian military claim, initially denied by their military chief, and the picture changes radically.

Then we see that the plane, if indeed it took the "southern route", turned back, and tried to return to KL. If it reached the southern spot, it must have flown over KL/much of the Malay peninsula.

If this was at high altitude, Malay radar operators are dolts for missing it - it flew right over their capital!

If it was at low altitude, the claim that all passengers must have died/passed out is hard to believe: someone would have tried calling on their cellphones whether they could see ground lights or not. No one sleeps through an emergency turn/dive and decompression.

So this southern story makes no sense except to claim "Sorry, wreckage and black box will never be found". Even if they find a few pieces I would hold to that statement. If they find a whole huge wing, I will have to wonder how that happened. Let's see: where does one order a container's worth of crow dinners at Amazon.com just in case?

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 21 Mar 2014 05:58

The environment for CT#1

Malaysia's ruling party keeps tight control of all aspects of domestic media - it is either state-sponsored, choked by authorities, or opposition-led. Media outlets or editors that dare question the administration perish by the wayside, or are ordered back in line.

At election time, the New Straits Times newspaper, a mouthpiece for the ruling coalition will be awash with barely rewritten government press releases, eulogising about the "achievements" of those in power.

What has this to do with Flight MH370? This stranglehold on free expression has nurtured a government unused to being cross-examined in public and more accustomed to changing its mind and message at will.

Moreover, the lack of oxygen given to rational democratic debate within Malaysia has fostered a cosseted leadership that either goes on the attack or retreats to its ideological ivory tower when it feels imperiled.

To enforce its intolerance of dissent, the Malaysian government deploys powerful tools of control. Until September 2011, the Internal Security Act (ISA) was a catch-all deterrent to those who spoke out openly against the government.

It sanctioned detention without trial and swept many opposition members into solitary confinement. In its place, authorities have of late been commandeering the Sedition Act to silence critics with increasing vigour.
... Hishammuddin - himself - is political royalty: He's the current prime minister's cousin, the son of Malaysia's third prime minister and nephew of its second. With his blood ties, he could easily be Malaysia's next prime minister.

Ethnicity and connections are highly likely to determine one's fate in Malaysia. Lucrative affirmative action policies promote ethnic Malays over the more than 30 percent Chinese and Indian minorities. The situation translates into each Malaysian being born with a semi-pre-ordained destiny - boosted by state coffers - that will decide which university you choose, what jobs you get, how many children you have, or even whether you end up in the cabinet.

Meanwhile, the elite have enriched themselves through a cosy network of crony capitalism that venomously lashes out at those who threaten its existence. Malaysia ranks third, behind only Russia and Hong Kong, in The Economist's crony capitalism index 2014, a list of "countries where politically-connected businessmen are most likely to prosper".

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 21 Mar 2014 06:54

Good morning people! What?? Plane not found yet?

Hey didn't someone say that if the Australian PM said something it's gotta be serious? I mean I can understand if the less than white Chinese and Malaysians, or even the off colour Indians had the temerity to make such a claim it could be laughed off as speculation. Gibberish. Monkeying about. But the Australians? The PM, no less. He can't be wrong can he? We respect and hang on to messages that come to us from the fair Anglosaxons. They don't speak up unless there is solid, credible information.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 21 Mar 2014 07:00

shiv wrote:Good morning people! What?? Plane not found yet?

Hey didn't someone say that if the Australian PM said something it's gotta be serious? I mean I can understand if the less than white Chinese and Malaysians, or even the off colour Indians had the temerity to make such a claim it could be laughed off as speculation. Gibberish. Monkeying about. But the Australians? The PM, no less. He can't be wrong can he? We respect and hang on to messages that come to us from the fair Anglosaxons. They don't speak up unless there is solid, credible information.

....that's cuz deep down in your heart you know we got the mojo.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 21 Mar 2014 07:05

DoCJi,

I agree there has been loads of hot air being doled out by the Anglo saxons, but on this one I feel its credible, they will find something.

A Chinese colleague of mine came up with the most bizarre CT. He said there was an IBM engineer on the plane, an anglo saxon, who was in charge of some data center, and since US suspected him of leaking info like Snowden, US remote controlled the plane deep into the Indian ocean and took it down. So, according to him, this find is no big shakes, US knew exactly where they took in down, and now they are posing as though they found it

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Singha · Post by **Singha** » 21 Mar 2014 07:16

the aus ship is days away from the site due to distance and so far due to clouds and rain planes no find anything.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 21 Mar 2014 07:24

TSJones wrote: ....that's cuz deep down in your heart you know we got the mojo.

Ptchah! Not deep down. It's right up here in front - nekkid like Playboy centerspread. When we act slavishly we don't complain. We like it. It's only when we treat other off colour types as inferior that we get classified and crucified as slavers, members of a caste ridden backward society. That's when my type need to be cavity searched, not as long as I am obsequious and know my place.

You don't have to search hard or deep down to find both these attitudes existing among Indians and among our superior masters - of whom the Australian PM is one worthy example.

It took only 1 hour to laugh off Chinese claims. It took less than 1 minute to accept the claim that Indians must have been asleep when MH 370 overflew India. But here as you can see, after 24 hours, the Rt Honble Worshipful Lord Wotzisname, Prime Minister of Australia is still credible. Anything found after this will only serve to buttress his credibility and buttkick the heathen bumbling blackies.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 21 Mar 2014 07:33

It's the Crocodile Dundee accent, shiv. U know he means bijnej... just like Michael Clarke claiming a catch where the ball came off the ground..

Suppose the Yoo Ess wanted to releaj some inpho, w/o admitting that it came phrom Yoo Ess. Time to close out the tamasha. Construction site in Malay peninsular properly covered over. Other poodles are not convenient for this purpose: UQ is too far away, Canada is irrelevant. So... closest "friendly nation" (i.e., proper accent) is 'Roostan. Voila! RooSat takes a couple of grainy images of whales doing hanky-panky in the South Ocean and it becomes "Credible Clue".

U know at one look: THERE's a Wing Piece off a 777! That's it! Can't be anything else! Q.E.D.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 21 Mar 2014 07:37

CRamS wrote:
A Chinese colleague of mine came up with the most bizarre CT. He said there was an IBM engineer on the plane, an anglo saxon, who was in charge of some data center, and since US suspected him of leaking info like Snowden, US remote controlled the plane deep into the Indian ocean and took it down. So, according to him, this find is no big shakes, US knew exactly where they took in down, and now they are posing as though they found it .

The original theory was that it was a Malaysian software engineer, but that was dismissed because Malays don't do that.
Then someone said it was Chinese. But the Chinese don't have such sophisticated capabilities.
Someone suggested that it was Indian - a possibility that is credible only if he was working for a white master.
So Occam's razor narrowed down the choice white Anglosaxon with the following characterixtics
1. Is white - so his capability is more credible to Indians,Chinese and Malays who do not believe that their own ethnic types are capable of pulling such a thing off
2. It has to be American because America is the best - no one can argue
3. Everyone will laugh it off if you say Indians/Chinese/Malys knew exactly where they took it down. Everyone gets up and does salaam when you say "US knows exactly where it was taken down"

So there you are -the mystery is not solved but everyone is satisfied that God/America knows and no one can argue.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 21 Mar 2014 07:41

Singha wrote:the aus ship is days away from the site due to distance and so far due to clouds and rain planes no find anything.

Even on BRF people have been saying for days that the plane must have gone down somewhere in the south. But until the Aussie PM said it everyone was finding the plane in Kandahar, Myanmar, Bay of Bengal, Kazakhstan

Now everyone accepts that the debris will be found in the South

partha · Post by **partha** » 21 Mar 2014 07:42

Singha wrote:the aus ship is days away from the site due to distance and so far due to clouds and rain planes no find anything.

Per Aus PM statement, ships were supposed to have reached the site at the time of his statement!

member_28502 · Post by **member_28502** » 21 Mar 2014 07:51

South by Java head I said
I am glad Baggy green PM echoes what I said

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 21 Mar 2014 08:05

UlanBatori wrote: U know at one look: THERE's a Wing Piece off a 777! That's it! Can't be anything else! Q.E.D.

Since YooEss can identify label on underwear from space, 777 wing should be no problem. When it comes to people who shut down their radars at night, wat to say baba? How they can tell yennything rightly?

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 21 Mar 2014 08:13

DocJi,

One small correction in your analysis. The Aussies are only the side kicks in this, US is allowing its little brothers take credit, but all the key data is from US.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 21 Mar 2014 08:14

CRamS wrote:DocJi,

One small correction in your analysis. The Aussies are only the side kicks in this, US is allowing its little brothers take credit, but all the key data is from US.

No error there. It was perfectly correct. The Aussies are sidekicks but they are credible to our slavish minds because we believe that the US is God and God is feeding the Aussies. You said it yourself. To us the Aussies are to be respected because they represent the voice of God. They have radars that can see 3000 km out and those radars are not shut off at night, but they won't share the data because it's so advanced and so secret. And we believe every word of it.

vasu raya · Post by **vasu raya** » 21 Mar 2014 08:18

quick recap,

Seems like they have run the same course observed on the Malay ATC and their mil radar on a simulator, so they should be able to say what the fuel reserves were accurately at last contact

Thailand says its mil radar has seen this plane head in the direction of Kaulalumpur with the U turn and then changed direction towards Penang

then the Penang towards Andamans leg, the source of which is only Malay mil radar

As seen on skyvector site there are no waypoints connecting from the IGREX, the one near Andamans towards Antartica/Australia, all those routes from Malaysia overfly Indonesia and they claimed they haven't seen it on their radar

Even if the pilot did waypoint navigation initially, soon the plane wasn't on any international route due to the fuel reserves it had (assuming the debris really is found in the southern route), also the Malays never clarified if they had any skymarshals onboard, any suggestion of special cargo mandates it

anyways, these over the ocean flights usually are ETOPS enabled so if no airport is reachable, would the autopilot still fly the plane straight like those pings suggest, say even with the pilot incapacitated, shouldn't it take a route that keeps it close to land atleast at ETOPS distance?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 21 Mar 2014 08:37

shiv wrote:
UlanBatori wrote: U know at one look: THERE's a Wing Piece off a 777! That's it! Can't be anything else! Q.E.D.
Since YooEss can identify label on underwear from space, 777 wing should be no problem. When it comes to people who shut down their radars at night, wat to say baba? How they can tell yennything rightly?

CT Radar result claim this wing piece is 866% Original made in China and not the fake one Made in Everett. WA.

Karan Dixit · Post by **Karan Dixit** » 21 Mar 2014 09:26

Australia in my opinion is a very plausible destination not because all of a sudden co-pilot started to miss the blonde when the lights were dimmed. Australian territory is routinely intruded by smugglers that bring all sorts of illegal merchandise into Australia. Although Indonesia is the preferred launch pad for such operations, Malaysia too is used especially when the chosen medium of intrusion is air. The land is so vast and so scarcely populated that you could go days without seeing another human. In addition, the radar coverage is not adequate given the size of Australia. Interestingly enough, smugglers use the same tactics we have been reading in the news that supposedly MH370 used.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 21 Mar 2014 09:58

Singha wrote:the aus ship is days away from the site due to distance and so far due to clouds and rain planes no find anything.

Why YooEss doesn't send its famed drones to spot the debris. It can stay for tens of hours and spot bearded moolah and finish off the innocents instead.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 21 Mar 2014 10:07

UlanBatori wrote:It's the Crocodile Dundee accent, shiv. U know he means bijnej... just like Michael Clarke claiming a catch where the ball came off the ground..

Suppose the Yoo Ess wanted to releaj some inpho, w/o admitting that it came phrom Yoo Ess. Time to close out the tamasha. Construction site in Malay peninsular properly covered over. Other poodles are not convenient for this purpose: UQ is too far away, Canada is irrelevant. So... closest "friendly nation" (i.e., proper accent) is 'Roostan. Voila! RooSat takes a couple of grainy images of whales doing hanky-panky in the South Ocean and it becomes "Credible Clue".

U know at one look: THERE's a Wing Piece off a 777! That's it! Can't be anything else! Q.E.D.

Could be School of Dolphins

A reporter aboard a US Navy aircraft told America’s ABC network that their sweeps of the area yesterday only turned up a freighter and several pods of dolphins.

What Aussie told to media depends on the (w)hole from (w)here sound emanated.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 21 Mar 2014 10:10

Plane recovery could take years | USA NOW

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 21 Mar 2014 10:13

Shreeman wrote:FYI. Insurance - international flight == warsaw convention = peanuts. And there are time limits on that.

Frankly, this has been a remarkable story. And to think boeing chose to charge $10 per flight for tracking, and malaysia chose to not pay it! I step out of this one -- its too weird for me. See you all in the usual caves from hereon.

With capacity to seat 300 pax the charge may come to 3.3 cents each seat. If it were case pax would not have minded to pay that little extra. This is someone wanting to cash on it.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 21 Mar 2014 10:40

If Southern Arc is where plane went , why Indonesians are silent . It must have flew over their land. Or did it follow some other route or evasive tactics to avoid radar contact , even with Mil radar. Of course why Aussie radars did not find it when it entered their FIR.

Why spend billions on raptors when plane can become invisible by switching off transponder and ensuring that it is not transmitting anything. What happened to number plate reading yooEss satellite? Why they are not using it ?

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 21 Mar 2014 11:33

There is French Kerguelen islands in that path.

member_28352 · Post by **member_28352** » 21 Mar 2014 11:54

The latest location of the debris, in the middle of nowhere, appears to be an attempt to buy time. Already we have reports that it's gonna take years to come up with the plane. For a variety of reasons that can't be the location of the debris. For one there doesn't appear to be that much fuel to take the plane to those distances. For another even if we assume a causation of gradual decompression and the auto pilot taking over, its unlikely that autopilot would choose a path that goes to New Manali in Antartica. Now question arises, buying time for what?

habal · Post by **habal** » 21 Mar 2014 12:03

If there is remote hijack, which seems like a good theory considering switching off of the 3 transponders onboard one-by-one, then they (the hijackers who could be state-actors as well) could have dumped the aircraft in the ocean after destroying it and are waiting for it to float far enough from the suspect location before making available the search coordinates, which is why the delay. It too is a possibility to be considered.

Also the Chinese posted pics of a suspected container, and now the God's chosen spokesperson also has posted pictures of what is now suspected to be a floating container. So what is the difference between China & ~~false~~ God.

Rajiv Lather · Post by **Rajiv Lather** » 21 Mar 2014 12:41

habal wrote:Also the Chinese posted pics of a suspected container, and now the God's chosen spokesperson also has posted pictures of what is now suspected to be a floating container. So what is the difference between China & ~~false~~ God.

Difference is 6 Australians and 158 Chinese. And the Chinese also did the ludicrous sea floor seismic event thing !

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 21 Mar 2014 12:43

ShankarCag wrote: the auto pilot taking over, its unlikely that autopilot would choose a path

Autopilot does not take over automatically. It needs to be engaged. And it can fly the route pre selected and if route is not there then heading and Att hold position only. Flight Director Control switch needs to provide input mode. Let Aussie come with something more credible in few days.

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 21 Mar 2014 12:58

chaanakya wrote:If Southern Arc is where plane went , why Indonesians are silent . It must have flew over their land. Or did it follow some other route or evasive tactics to avoid radar contact , even with Mil radar. Of course why Aussie radars did not find it when it entered their FIR.

Why spend billions on raptors when plane can become invisible by switching off transponder and ensuring that it is not transmitting anything. What happened to number plate reading yooEss satellite? Why they are not using it ?

Flight Information Region means that civilian flights in that airspace are under the control of a particular region. Not based on the range of the radar.

IMO, the information in the FIR for tracking is broad-casted by the airplane(s).

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 21 Mar 2014 13:29

I know. But It should have shown on radars of Christmas Island ATC which was near Indonesia and probably near the presumed flight path. That is the reason FIR of Australia is so closer to Indonesia. Moreover they had military radar there and it is a detention centre for illegal immigrants wanting to travel to mainland Australia.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 21 Mar 2014 13:41

middle of the night, christmas island... probability of anyone looking on the screen and worrying about a high flying blip... pretty low

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 21 Mar 2014 13:43

chaanakya wrote:
ShankarCag wrote: the auto pilot taking over, its unlikely that autopilot would choose a path
Autopilot does not take over automatically. It needs to be engaged. And it can fly the route pre selected and if route is not there then heading and Att hold position only. Flight Director Control switch needs to provide input mode. Let Aussie come with something more credible in few days.

it sounds like nav systems disengaged (logical, if being flown to emergency diversion point), but autopilot heading hold mode was engaged. possibly crew turned south, hit the hold mode and focused on dealing with the emergency, then passed out

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 21 Mar 2014 13:55

OK folks. Put your money where your mouth is and join this crowdsourcing effort to locate the fate of the plane and the por passengers

http://www.tomnod.com/nod/

member_28352 · Post by **member_28352** » 21 Mar 2014 13:56

http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-new ... 98228.aspx

Search planes fail to find M370 debris in Indian Ocean

Search area in Indian Ocean proven to be just that, Shane Warne's flippers !!!

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 21 Mar 2014 14:22

shiv wrote:OK folks. Put your money where your mouth is and join this crowdsourcing effort to locate the fate of the plane and the por passengers

http://www.tomnod.com/nod/

Did for couple of days initially. But the pattern samples to look for was quite vague. I saw some promising pattern which didn't look so promising after ogling it for a while. Then 10 satellites of Chinese produced something similar as evidence. Unnerved by this, stopping checking that site. They should add more sample patterns.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 21 Mar 2014 14:32

have been looking at the map - that is a very big ocean...