Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 22 Mar 2014 07:21

TSJones wrote: you are so right. any allusion to technology super duper knows all sees all is pure nonsense......pay no attention to it. It's all arrogant, racist pandering.

All extremes - like "pay no attention to it" along with "God knows and sees everything" are wrong. God has capability but weaknesses as well. Freedom gives the choice of calling out God's failures and weaknesses instead of simply singing his praises. Totalitarianism is to demand that God's command and actions be followed and respected unquestioningly.

Now we simply need to figure out who is doing what. And where God's word is unquestioningly followed. And where retribution is quick and severe when God's word is questioned or opposed. Pakiness is claiming total greatness for oneself while punishing one's own, who are easy pickings, for criticism, while threatening others with dire consequences and being unable to actually do anything about heathen blasphemers.

rgsrini · Post by **rgsrini** » 22 Mar 2014 07:24

^^Shivji,
Posted similar thoughts here

A lot of TFTA claims of the sooper power are getting exposed by this incident, both from a capability and the quality of product/process perspective.

The US has only spent $2.5MM in this search so far, even according to their own claim. Why is it not sending the sooper dooper drones that can loiter for 24 to 36 hrs, and, can sniff the butt of the terrist remotely, and tell what he ate for lunch? Looks like they don't want to touch this with a 10 foot pole, as they have no clue about what is going on here.

Regarding the plane itself, it should be possible to house a couple of self inflating bright colored buoys to the surface of the craft (say on the wings or the tail of the craft) , that breaks away easily on crash, and can float, leak bright orange color, and continue to send GPS signals (or whatever combination thereof) in case of crash/emergencies. Shouldn't be that expensive to design and fit this, considering the amount of money required to do the search operation in case of an accident like this one.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 22 Mar 2014 07:27

Well one soopelpowel says "undersea event". Another chela, guided by God's word detects "sea surface event". Now all we need is a space event.

More seriously "NATO joining the search" means data processing capability. Shitloads of data on number plates means zilch without the ability to process that info and sift undersea and sea surface events from debris and assorted bits of flotsam

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 22 Mar 2014 07:33

NASA as I mentioned above, is joining the search.

http://www.space.com/25046-nasa-missing ... t-370.html

.....gonna put some mojo on it.

US Air Force Space command officially has no mojo, never had any mojo, wouldn't know any, and it's none of your business what, if any mojo we could ever possibly possess in the future.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 22 Mar 2014 07:39

rgsrini wrote:^^Shivji,
Posted similar thoughts here

A lot of TFTA claims of the sooper power are getting exposed by this incident, both from a capability and the quality of product/process perspective.

The US has only spent $2.5MM in this search so far, even according to their own claim. Why is it not sending the sooper dooper drones that can loiter for 24 to 36 hrs, and, can sniff the butt of the terrist remotely, and tell what he ate for lunch? Looks like they don't want to touch this with a 10 foot pole, as they have no clue about what is going on here.
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What fascinates me here is the way in which natural selection works here as well. Rats survive in places where it is easiest for them to survive and get thin on the ground where it is less easy.

Surveillance, tracking and draconian control exists in its most extreme form where it is easiest for it to survive and eliminate rats - on the mainland in the center of the universe, navel of the world, right beneath God's benevolent eye. God has forsaken the south and east and left it to the devil. No wonder devils thrive in those places.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 22 Mar 2014 07:48

shiv wrote:
rgsrini wrote:^^Shivji,
Posted similar thoughts here

A lot of TFTA claims of the sooper power are getting exposed by this incident, both from a capability and the quality of product/process perspective.

The US has only spent $2.5MM in this search so far, even according to their own claim. Why is it not sending the sooper dooper drones that can loiter for 24 to 36 hrs, and, can sniff the butt of the terrist remotely, and tell what he ate for lunch? Looks like they don't want to touch this with a 10 foot pole, as they have no clue about what is going on here.
.
What fascinates me here is the way in which natural selection works here as well. Rats survive in places where it is easiest for them to survive and get thin on the ground where it is less easy.

Surveillance, tracking and draconian control exists in its most extreme form where it is easiest for it to survive and eliminate rats - on the mainland in the center of the universe, navel of the world, right beneath God's benevolent eye. God has forsaken the south and east and left it to the devil. No wonder devils thrive in those places.

hmmm, I challange anybody who is stupid enough to try and fly through India's ADIZ without a previous filed flight plan and ID procedures. We'll see what happens.

vina · Post by **vina** » 22 Mar 2014 08:11

Hmm. As Malaysia balks over missing flight, China finds limits to it's own powers

BEIJING — China has not held back in forcing the pace of the search for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. It has deployed 21 satellites and a flotilla of naval ships. It has dispatched investigators to Malaysia, run background checks on the Chinese passengers, and scoured radar images of its vast western regions. Every day it has cajoled, chided and criticized Malaysian officials.And still it has come up empty-handed

Now, Chinese officials find themselves desperately prodding Malaysia to share information, to allow China a hand in the investigation and to placate the irate Chinese families who demand answers daily.

Ah.. the Chi Com Govt actually provides answers truthfully to ordinary Chinese ? Who woulda thunk that ?

“If you don’t push them, they won’t move,” Zhu Zhenming, a scholar of Southeast Asia at the Yunnan Academy of Social Sciences, said about the Malaysian authorities. “It’s mostly to do with their administrative management capabilities, but also their culture.”

He added that Malaysia was “too lacking” when it came to “dealing with disaster management” — “not because they don’t want to do it, but because they cannot.”

That sense of frustration, and perhaps condescension, has come through even in official Chinese remarks that were intended to be diplomatic. On Tuesday, Huang Huikang, the Chinese ambassador to Malaysia, told reporters in Kuala Lumpur, the Malaysian capital, that “the Malaysian government has insufficient capabilities, technologies and experience in responding to the MH370 incident, but they did their best.”

Ah.. Chinese Govt is the most efficient .. as the gleatest capabirities like 21 saterrites and navar vessers and the most expelience , have been the most tlanspalent and are not a turd world country !

In some ways, the complaints reinforce a belief that many Chinese have long held: that their political culture is superior to those of Southeast Asian nations. In that worldview, Southeast Asia has throughout history been a less-developed region that looked up to China and tried to both appease and imitate it.

Ah yes, a pumped up sense of self importance and superiority, even in the face of facts .. Historically SEA was portrayed as a bunch of darker skinned monkey folks paying obeisance and kow towing to the middle kingdom! Facts be damned and that the entire populations in all SEA countries of Chinese (massive numbers) are due to acute distress migrations from China historically be damned!

Mr. Huang, the Chinese ambassador, said Tuesday that Malaysia needed to be much more open with the information it had. That night, Xinhua, the Chinese state news agency, published a commentary that said: “Due to the lack of transparency, massive efforts have been squandered and numerous rumors have been swirling, repeatedly racking the nerves of the waiting families. Therefore, there is no excuse for repeating the same mistakes.”

Ah, Chinese are most transparent. Their media have been advised not to post any independent analysis, and ensure "harmony" with the official line and pronouncements and these guys talk about transparency ? The irony!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 22 Mar 2014 08:20

vina, PRC is in state of transformation since Mao.

sooraj · Post by **sooraj** » 22 Mar 2014 08:49

MH370: India’s wake-up call
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/mh ... 806324.ece

member_28502 · Post by **member_28502** » 22 Mar 2014 09:04

sooraj wrote:MH370: India’s wake-up call
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/mh ... 806324.ece

Parveen Swamy is generous with truth wrote:
Declassified Soviet documents show that the commander of the Soviet Far East District Air Defense Forces, General Valery Kamensky, wanted the aircraft destroyed — but only after it was positively identified not to be civilian. His subordinate, General Anatoly Kornukov, commander of Sokol Air base, disagreed. “What civilian,” the documents show him exclaiming, “[It] has flown over Kamchatka! It [came] from the ocean without identification. I am giving the order to attack if it crosses the State border.”

Minutes later, a Sukhoi 15 interceptor fired Kaliningrad K-8 air-to-air missiles at the Korean Airlines jet: 246 passengers and 23 crew died.

The Soviet Air Force pilots warned the KAl 007 flight to land in SU (base) but the pilots refused saying they were in International air space and in the designated corridor of flight...

The story of Korean airlines 007 (KAL 007) is by now part of the dark legend of the cold war.

Mistaken as a US spy airplane, the Korean Airlines Boeing 747, which was flying well of course into restricted Soviet airspace, was approached and shot down by an intercepting Mig pilot, who had sighted the KAL and fired a heat-seeking missile at its fuselage. Out of control, KAL plunged to the ocean below, where its black box was recovered weeks later.

We pick up the transcript seconds before the missile struck the airplane and follow the transcript for roughly seven minutes as the Boeing 747 plunged 35,000 feet into the sea.

Tokyo Air Traffic Control: Korean Air zero zero seven clearance, Tokyo ATC clears Korean Air zero zero seven [to] climb and maintain flight level three five zero [35,000 feet].

Captain: Ah, roger Korean Air zero zero seven, climb and maintain at three five zero, leaving three three zero at this time [33,000 feet].

Tokyo ATC: Tokyo roger.

Cockpit: [Sound of altitude alert].

Captain: Tokyo radio, Korean Air zero zero seven reaching level three five zero [35,000 feet].

Tokyo ATC: Korean Air zero zero Seven, Tokyo roger.

Cockpit: [Sound of explosion]

Captain: What’s happened?

Co- pilot: What?

Captain: Retard throttles.

Co- Pilot: Engines normal.

Captain: Landing gear.

Cockpit: [Sound of cabin altitude warning]

Captain: Landing gear.

Cockpit: [Sound of altitude deviation warning, sound of autopilot disconnect warning]

Captain: Altitude is going up. Altitude is going up. Speed brake is coming out.

Co- Pilot: What? What?

Captain: Check it Attention emergency descent [in Japanese]. [Sound of autopilot disconnect warning]

Co- pilot: Not working manually also. Engines are normal sir.

Public address Recording: Put out your cigarette. This is an emergency descent. Put out your cigarette. This is an emergency descent.

Captain: Is it power compression?

Flight Engineer: Is that right?

Public Address Recording: Put out your cigarette, this is an emergency descent.

Flight Engineer: All of both….

Captain: Is that right?

Public Address Recording: Put the mask over your nose and mouth and adjust the headband.

Co- pilot: Tokyo radio Korean Air zero zero seven.

Public Address Recording: Put the mask over your nose and mouth and adjust the headband.

Tokyo ATC: Korean Air zero zero seven, Tokyo.

Co-pilot: Roger, Korean Air zero zero seven…ah, we are experiencing…

Public Address Recording: Put the mask over your nose and mouth and adjust the headband.

Flight Engineer: All compression.

Captain: Rapid decompression. Descend to one zero thousand [10,000 feet]

Public Address recording: Attention emergency descent.

Flight engineer: Now…we have to set this.

Tokyo ATC: Korean Air zero zero seven, radio check on one zero zero four eight.

Public Address recording: Attention emergency descent.

Flight Engineer: Speed. Stand by. Stand by. Stand by. Stand by. Set.

Public address recording: Put out your cigarette. This is an emergency descent. Put out your cigarette. This is an emergency descent. Put out your cigarette this is an emergency descent. Put the mask over your nose and mouth and adjust the headband. Put the mask over your nose and mouth and adjust…….

END OF TAPE.

All souls aboard were lost.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/31/us/kal-fi ... niversary/

Fighter pilot: 'I had a job to do'
As it neared Soviet airspace, Flight 007 was being tracked at military installations. Soviet fighter pilots and their commanders knew they were being watched, too. U.S. spy planes patrolling the region created a constant state of tension, they said later.
American surveillance aircraft included Boeing RC-135s, the military version of a Boeing 707, which looked very much like a civilian airliner.
Packed with electronic surveillance gear, RC-135s often flew figure-eight patterns near passenger routes.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 22 Mar 2014 09:19

If you scroll to the bottom, you will see South Korea is joining the South Indian Ocean search.
http://www.norwalkreflector.com/article/4297691

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 22 Mar 2014 12:26

Revealed: the final 54 minutes of communication from MH370

EXCLUSIVE: The cockpit communication aboard the missing Malaysia Airlines flight can be revealed, from its taxi on the runway to its final message at 1.19am of 'all right, good night'. The transcript starts at 00.25 with general instructions from the control tower to the pilots. The detailed conversation begins at 00.36.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 22 Mar 2014 12:59

Aus is using the long range of some business jets to extend loiter time over the area. transit alone wastes 4+4 hrs.
so just binoculars, not "ISAR that spot a beer can from 100km away and tell us the brand of beer"

which gives me a idea...why not design semi submerged buoys with a periscope and radar mast sticking out to mimic a kilo sub, spread dozens of them around TSP and drive them nuts with periscopeitis?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 22 Mar 2014 14:13

Singha wrote:which gives me a idea...why not design semi submerged buoys with a periscope and radar mast sticking out to mimic a kilo sub, spread dozens of them around TSP and drive them nuts with periscopeitis?

+1

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 22 Mar 2014 14:25

How difficult would it be to simply fit a tracking transponder that simply cannot be switched off? OK there may be some aircraft that do not want this sort of thing to be fitted - private aircraft and planes for state leaders. But that would be their risk. Public flights should have mandatory tracking. If it is possible to ping a chip anywhere on earth then such a device must be placed in every single commercial airliner'

Good question. It's not easy. It's a very easy thing to do. In both aviation and shipping sensible innovations i have seen take time to come about. Usually some major incident kicks of some committees which under public pressure or more often under the pressure of the insurance industry kicks in some change. The aviation industry in many regards is better than the shipping one. An example was Exxon Valdez, after screwing up the entire Alaskan coast only did US and IMO start mandating stricter codes on management and for environmental protection. Why have they not devised a simple fool proof device that once an aircraft crashes into waters/ land will with a 100% success activate a positional signal to a satellite? Many here on BRF can churn out designs for the same within a few hours. Yet it's not been done. But i will venture after this incident they will get do exactly that. Compulsory tracking of commercial flights. A simple change that could have been carried out a decade ago.

Rajiv Lather · Post by **Rajiv Lather** » 22 Mar 2014 15:14

Finally... the Chinese have found the wreckage in south Indian ocean - official announcement in a couple of hours.

member_28440 · Post by **member_28440** » 22 Mar 2014 15:16

A mystery ‘storm cloud’ caught on weather radar after erupting off a U.S. military missile testing ground in New Mexico has left weather experts baffled.

Deepening the mystery, U.S. National Weather Service offices in Albuquerque and El Paso have confirmed the reading, but say they have no idea where it could have come from.

MH370 Mystery – Suspicious Cargo Destroyed in a Massive Explosion near 1945 Nuclear Bomb Test Site

Rajiv Lather · Post by **Rajiv Lather** » 22 Mar 2014 15:18

The hard drive of the flight sim has been taken by the FBI to their lab in Virginia. So far, the FBI have proved to be the silliest (except me, of course).

Rajiv Lather · Post by **Rajiv Lather** » 22 Mar 2014 16:21

China finds it

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 22 Mar 2014 16:55

The landmasses closest to this coordinate are islands off Antartica. Apparently there are couple of airstrips in the bigger one: French Southern and Antartic. One of islets has a bigger airstrip, lesser than a mile. Not sure what the surface is

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 22 Mar 2014 17:04

Ah So! PeeAllSee Ministly of Science&Technoroji is facing long sojourn in Gobi Yak Helding Lest and Leraxation Centel, and their blave 21 saterrites have come out with this new blirriant image pel the Website 4 Loundeyes and PhotoShop Depaltment.

So
a) if these things sank, they should be in a static position by now. Will eventually be found, the possible area is quite restricted.
b) If they did not sink and had substantial portions sticking up above wave level, they should be visible now, but perhaps somewhat further away, depending on what currents and surface winds existed. They should be visible on the images from many, many other satellites over the past 2 weeks, and today!! Possible search area is very small in relative terms.

The Chinese sat image is blurry and not in color. If it is from other spectral range, at least it could be assigned colors, they don't even do that (neither did the "Australian Satellite" images). Are they saying this new object (or the past ones) are shiny aluminum? white painted aluminum or composite? Orange life raft (esp the latest)? Rows of seats from one section of the fuselage?

Icebergs? Or maybe Flight 370 hit an iceberg and sank while flying at low altitude, like Titanic?

May their kangaroos and pandas bite them on their musharrafs.

They are just deliberately confusing the general public with this pakistan. Imagine what these images do to the relatives!! We've regularly seen much better pictures from Mars and Titan (taken from 100,000,000 kms away and showing VIP label on the underwear of guy sitting at edge of cliff on Mars), in false colors and all.

Now for the UBCNews REAL QUESTION of the din:

Let's go back to the original oil slick sighting by the Vietnamese. It was a curved slick, 9 miles (14,400m) long. Not too broad, not extremely narrow. Let's say, 200 meters wide max? Let's say 1mm (0.001m) thick? Would someone like to estimate the mass of that, given the usual specific gravity of jet fuel? When I tried doing this in my sleepy head while counting yaks, I got about the order of magnitude of the fuel mass to be expected on this plane.

So, if the plane did execute a rapid descending turn, and set up for emergency landing at nearest landfall, the pilot may have been too busy doing a fuel dump to reduce weight and extent of fire.

Which means that they would have very little fuel left, and no chance of gallivanting down to the South Oceans or the Andamans.

Question: WHO dissed the oil slick? Which lab? One controlled by the Malaysian govt, presumably? Strengthens UBCT#1 and rules out all the rest.

But the slick is probably still there, and can be tested again. Helloooo anyone reading this?

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 22 Mar 2014 17:22

The landmasses closest to this coordinate are islands off Antartica.

Conveniently close to a major seismic fault line, and 80 miles from two nice round undersea volcanoes. Won't be surprised to see announcement of Sea Bottom Event and Volcanic Eruption shortly.

But I actually think the best CTs are those which satisfy all unexplained and independent mystery observations:
a) oil slick (Vietnam)
b) turn and descent below radar and "mumbled response from pilots" (Vietnam)
c) undersea event

Fire in the sky MAY have been a real observation, he may have seen it as the plane was going away from him, back towards Malaysia and down.

The only things I am discounting are the claims from Malaysian govt and "INMARSAT". Those are not at all transparent, and came way too late to have been independent.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 22 Mar 2014 17:52

Lots of large objects floating intermittently in the South Indian Ocean. Blue whales?

The DigitalGlobe satellite spotted objects 5m and 24m in largest dimension, the ones that the Australian PM announced.

China: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26697048

The Xinhua state news agency said the latest satellite image was taken at about 04:00 GMT on 18 March and showed objects about 120km "south by west" from the first site.

The image was taken by the Gaofen-1 high-resolution optical Earth observation satellite of China's National Space Administration.

and
http://www.straitstimes.com/the-big-sto ... a-20140322

The object, around 22 metres long and 13 metres wide, was spotted early on March 18 by China's high-definition earth observation satellite “Gaofen-1”, China’s State Administration of Science, Technology and Industry for National Defence (SASTIND) said on its website.

Rajiv Lather · Post by **Rajiv Lather** » 22 Mar 2014 17:56

Probable shapes of the object

Shape

Shape 2 for the color blind Mongols

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 22 Mar 2014 18:05

Whales from satellite: (the same Worldview2 satellite from Digital Globe)
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 183702.htm

Rajiv Lather · Post by **Rajiv Lather** » 22 Mar 2014 18:10

A_Gupta wrote:Whales from satellite: (the same Worldview2 satellite from Digital Globe)
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 183702.htm

In my opinion main difference would be the absence of repeated right angles...

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 22 Mar 2014 18:16

ramana wrote:vina, PRC is in state of transformation since Mao.

Can you suggest a link to read to make more sense of the cryptic comment?

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 22 Mar 2014 18:31

Objects: Lat,Long
March 16 A: -45°58'33.9996'', 90°37'37.0008''
March 16 B: -44°03'02.0016'', 91°13'27.0006''
March 18 C: -44°57'29'', 90°13'43''

https://goo.gl/maps/OR2Vh

Does that link work? Google Maps says anyone can view it with no sign-in, but when I try it from another computer it requires me to sign in.

PS: pretty useless, the markers don't show, either.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 22 Mar 2014 19:09

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-J9Voi5giBqw/U ... an_map.png

vasu raya · Post by **vasu raya** » 22 Mar 2014 19:40

Bibhasji, while the primary radar range is not always the same as FIR, not having it switched on all the time on the A&N island chain says certain things on its use which is not a good sign.

In the Mh370 case, while the 'pilot' knows the FIR boundaries as static, he cannot be absolutely sure that he is not being illuminated by any primary radar, say he doesn't know the state of A&N primary radar but knows about Jakarta radar, his best bet would be to test this by moving inside A&N managed Chennai FIR, and should ground control from A&N query he would just change heading towards WKMM or Jakarta FIR without replying to them.

so, if the A&N radar was switched on that pilot might have taken a different course maybe a meandering course to Colombo FIR. Can IAF transition to a non rotating radar antennas? and worry less about wear and tear, that outpost is important

if the pilot's wanted to avoid interception, was the intention to loiter until the time a favorable decision is made and the only backup plan was to go suicide or something went wrong in the meantime?

UB CT's quick ending scenario of the flight crashing into Malaysia, is there a need to cover up?

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 22 Mar 2014 20:18

I assume that satellite operators may store but not process photographs of empty, little-travelled areas like the area of the South Indian Ocean where MH370 might have ended its long flight.

But once debris was spotted in the satellite photos of March 16 (the plane crashed on March 8 ), I imagine whatever archives of unprocessed photographs are there, would be examined for the period between March 8 and March 16; and the area to look, while large, should not take too long to search. The shorter the period between photographs, the less area to look.

And whether or not the objects seen from satellite are from the plane, the law of conservation of matter would say that these objects should appear in previous photographs.

One can only conclude that either (a) no photographs exist, because no one was shooting pics of that area of the globe or (b) the current search is flimflam.

vasu raya · Post by **vasu raya** » 22 Mar 2014 20:29

btw, for powering the radars they could opt for over the sea wind turbines to the east of the islands to avoid tsunamis or an S-1 kind of first generation reactor instead of fossil fuels, anyways is it a myth then that IN is monitoring the SLOC along Malacca Straits?

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 22 Mar 2014 20:32

UB CT's quick ending scenario of the flight crashing into Malaysia, is there a need to cover up?

The Beauty of UBCNews' exclusive GUESS Predictor-Corrector method is that no one remembers what we said hajaar pages ago.

So let's see:
Pls to go see the Al Jazeera article by that very pretty mohterma on the nature of the Malaysian Nepto-kleptocracy. They tend to be secretive. And to kill/sodomize dissidents. And they are certified as one of the world's Phree DemoCrazies by the US Congressional International Commission on Religious Phreedom, along with Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Pakistan, Bangladesh etc.

The Transportation Mantri is the PM's coujin, also coujin thrice removed from prior PMs, et al.
He is also the Defenj Mantri.

So what happens when, with election looming and threats from both the Religious Purity segment and the saner segment (who are being hunted, jailed and sodomized starting with the Opposition Leader), an airliner get hit by something that can be blamed on the Inside Establishment?

What does this do to Honor, Dignity and Sovirginity? More to the point, what is the first impulse of this crowd other than to cover up?

Once the coverup is in progress, the political cost of 'fessing up rise exponentially with time and number of denials/other lies. It's a self-amplifying, divergent oscillation.

Q.E.D. I would NOT be writing this if I were in Malaysia or had any relatives there. That should answer why no Malaysian sources have come forward yet.
*****************

BTW, as A-Gupta is driving systematically to conclude, we are running out of alternatives to the coverup CT. Guptaji, what is your take on the use of these crummy B&W images from all these so-called saterrites? They must know by now whether those are orange, or white-painted, or shining metal or what. (deleted other sign of activity to look for, too gross for UBC News)

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 22 Mar 2014 21:13

^^^UBji, they could have at least provided photos equivalent to Google Maps. Surely that would not give away any "vital military secrets".

As other BRFites have pointed out, the southern route is difficult without Indonesia spotting the plane. But Indonesia has publicly said both its civilian and its military radar have seen nothing. Not sure why the Americans think that the plane made turns carefully threading its way outside A&N and Indonesia radar range, and then flew straight out over the South Indian Ocean.

But then the Americans are putting their $4 million where their mouth is; and whatever the evidence is that is being shared at the government level, is sufficient to persuade China, Japan, Britain, supposedly India, South Korea, to send planes to join in the search (or, in the case of the Chinese, to make up more "evidence"). Maybe all these countries are very cavalier with their resources, or the people who make decisions are plane stupid (pun intended).

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 22 Mar 2014 21:23

http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/03/2 ... 3820140322

he first Chinese plane heading to Australia to join the hunt for a missing Malaysia Airlines(MASM.KL) jet landed at the wrong airport on Saturday, underscoring the difficulties facing the increasingly complex multinational search effort.

The Chinese IL-76 military aircraft made an unexpected stop at Perth International Airport before heading to its correct destination at RAAF Base Pearce outside Perth, where search and rescue operations for Flight MH370, which has been missing for two weeks, are now being coordinated.

"They landed at Perth and then they landed here," RAAF Corporal Janine Fabre told Reuters. "We don't know why."

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 22 Mar 2014 21:27

Sending a il76 to do sar opd 4 hr transit away...shows dragon is again nanga...loiter time will be 5 mins to drop red flags and claim all reefs and shoals.
this is h&d op because Japan is sending 4 and India 2.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 22 Mar 2014 21:44

IGREX is at 09:43.36'N, 94:25.18'E
China's satellite's object is at roughly 44:57.50'S, 90:13.75'E
The great circle distance works out to 6091 km - I estimate to be about 7.5 hours of flying time.
The plane had been flying for approx 1 hour 40 minutes when it reached near-abouts IGREX.
The range of the plane is said to be Kuala Lumpur - Beijing + 2 hours, i.e., around 8 hours.
The plane on the great circle path would have flown over Indonesia.

The southward currents in that area of the South Indian Ocean have to be quite strong.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 22 Mar 2014 21:46

It' in the roaring forties, legendary stormy water.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 22 Mar 2014 22:09

http://www.amsa.gov.au/media/documents/ ... 0MH370.pdf
(PDF)

During Saturday’s search activities a civil aircraft tasked by AMSA reported sighting a number of small objects with the naked eye, including a wooden pallet, within a radius of five kilometres. A Royal New Zealand Air Force (RNZAF) P3 Orion aircraft with specialist electro-optic observation equipment was diverted to the location, arriving after the first aircraft left but only reported sighting clumps of seaweed. The RNZAF Orion dropped a datum marker buoy to track the movement of the material. A merchant ship in the area has been tasked to relocate and seek to identify the material.

The search area experienced good weather conditions on Saturday with visibility of around 10 kilometres and moderate seas

This evening China provided a satellite image to Australia possibly showing a 22.5 metre floating object in the southern Indian Ocean. AMSA has plotted the position and it falls within Saturday’s search area. The object was not sighted on Saturday.

AMSA will take this information into account in tomorrow’s search plans.

member_28352 · Post by **member_28352** » 22 Mar 2014 22:17

A_Gupta wrote:The southward currents in that area of the South Indian Ocean have to be quite strong.

All currents in that part of the world are anti clockwise, IOW from Seychelles towards Perth.