Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 25 Mar 2014 14:36

http://www.americanbazaaronline.com/201 ... ecomes-pm/

Good. Shows how a strong leader is perceived by the US (not that they wont attempt to target him, they'll do that too in parallel) as versus a simpering milquetoast like MMS, who'd crawl when asked to bend

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 25 Mar 2014 14:49

VikramS wrote:https://twitter.com/pranavmistry/status ... 3003455488

"I have a dream that one day I will deliver a speech in Sanskrit on an international stage. #India #Sanskrit"

The number of people turning "communal" is sky-rocketing.

Tanmay Pandey ‏@TanmayPandey 23h
@pranavmistry I still remember that movement when you told in public that you inspired by indian mythology not by science fiction. Love U.

Pranav Mistry is a total son of the soil from Gujarat, now VP of Research at Samsung, never was an accented uber secular yuppie.

But it is the Modi effect that such people are now confident to express their opinions without the threat of backlash or fear of being labeled Hindutvawadi.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 25 Mar 2014 14:59

Modi in folk songs of Eastern UP. This is completely spontaneous. I never saw this happening for any leader including MG, JLN, IG. Traditionally, Birha singers comes from Yadav community. Before Mandal, theme of Birha songs used to be Ramayana,Mahabharata, saffron version of historical events and contemporary events.After Mandal, Biraha got secularised and predominantly it became murder, rape, based stories. If yadavs of UP are singing Birha on Modi means 60+ is guaranteed.

I am pleasantly surprised!

"Goron ki changul se fursat mili to, Pahan kar ke lutne aa gaye khadi"

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 25 Mar 2014 15:01

re: mistry

and i hope it continues. the likes of doniger have long held the discourse about primitive indians allowed to civilize themselves by going to the west, whereas at the same time, indian heritage like yoga etc is ripped from its cultural moorings is declared as being beyond religion, and is appropriated by the west, amply helped along by opportunists like deepak chopra who act as the level 2 gatekeepers after the donigers and the witzels. these dishonest folk won't even admit that advancements like yoga could have come about because of a careful observation of both outcomes & empirical studies of what achieved what, and would have been the work of generations & ancient hindu civilization was amongst the most well versed with mathematics & precise measurement. instead, its some hex-obsessed primeval culture per these worthies.

high time, average Indians stood up unabashed & proud about their culture & civilization & what they did achieve which has significant positive influences even today.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Mar 2014 15:33

and namo is making inroads without any major hot button RJB type burning issue which boosted LKA in that era.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 25 Mar 2014 15:35

for that we must thank the corrupt worthies of the UPA and the complete joke that was MMS as the pm. they looted india to the extent that even the most "progressive" want good roods, electricity, water.

sum · Post by **sum** » 25 Mar 2014 15:52

^^ Where is MMS nowadays? Not one word of him in any media etc despite being the incumbent for 10 years?

I even forgot he is still the PM of this country till coming across his name in BRF!!

archan · Post by **archan** » 25 Mar 2014 15:55

Probably looking forward to retirement. He gave up a while ago. Even SG seems quite aloof.

sum · Post by **sum** » 25 Mar 2014 15:58

^^ He is looking for retirement surely since rediff had a article about him hunting for a post-PMship home an having chosen one.

But has he already retired from all govt posts and INC also since not one peep one from him in last 1 month atleast?

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 25 Mar 2014 15:59

getting ready for one final speech , mother of all speeches that will leave even modi speechless

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 25 Mar 2014 16:07

manoj kureel at it again... Lol!

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 25 Mar 2014 16:19

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Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 25 Mar 2014 16:28

krishnan wrote:getting ready for one final speech , mother of all speeches that will leave even modi speechless

Like Gandhari uncovering her eyes for once in her married life ?

Manu · Post by **Manu** » 25 Mar 2014 16:40

archan wrote:Probably looking forward to retirement. He gave up a while ago. Even SG seems quite aloof.

I kid you not. On the way to Gymkhana on the weekend, I actually saw trucks in the entrance of 7 RCR loading household furniture (@10 PM). He is already packing, unless that was for something else.

I think he has to move to 3, Motilal Nehru Marg (Type VIII), used to be occupied by Sheila Dikshit.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 25 Mar 2014 16:53

This is Narendra Modi in the 90's interviewed by Shukla. Check the endorsements he gets from all around:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... Ou4lxkoPhk

sunnyP · Post by **sunnyP** » 25 Mar 2014 17:02

The ideal situation for Congress, Diggy, and other anti Dharmic forces is an assassinated Modi and a PM LKA or Sushma. That way they can replace one puppet with another.

gandharva wrote:Just in case if anyone had any doubt about "Storm Auntie" being next ABV.

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 25 Mar 2014 17:07

MMS in his next speech: "Indian God humko marta hai".

archan · Post by **archan** » 25 Mar 2014 17:16

^ ROFL. Bob Christo?

In my neck of woods, there are people who are saying we will vote for Modi, not BJP, this time. Without Modi, BJP at the moment does not have it in it to win - JMHO.

sooraj · Post by **sooraj** » 25 Mar 2014 17:30

Modi for vision, Kejriwal for television
http://www.niticentral.com/2014/03/25/m ... 03633.html

“Modi for vision, Rahul for division, Kejriwal for television and Third Front for confusion” is the latest soundbyte to emerge from Varanasi. It comes from Rameshwar Prasad Chaurasia, MLA from Bihar, who is Sah Prabhari (Assistant In Charge) of Uttar Pradesh BJP.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 25 Mar 2014 18:28

BTW, Niticentral now has Niti TV.

I really commend Shashi Sekhar and the Niti Team. Around 2006 he started offstumped when he used to live in the US. That was one of the first rightwing blogs I saw at that time. I even had conversations with him on starting a media outlet and he said it was not that easy and would prefer a radio route. So finally he moved back to India, started writing articles for pioneer when he held a full time job in Bangalore. Then he quit the job and joined hands with the likes of Kanchan Gupta and started Niti Central. Niti Central quickly started live radio and now live TV. Their only roadblock is that it is entirely Internet based (but considering the future of IPTV, I feel confident). But with one of 2 big sponsors, I hope they become a major TV channel soon. This is something right wingers have wanted for a while.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 25 Mar 2014 18:34

Har Har Mahadev!!

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 25 Mar 2014 18:43

archan wrote:^ ROFL. Bob Christo?

In my neck of woods, there are people who are saying we will vote for Modi, not BJP, this time. Without Modi, BJP at the moment does not have it in it to win - JMHO.

Yup -- from Mister India.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 25 Mar 2014 18:44

muraliravi wrote:BTW, Niticentral now has Niti TV.

I really commend Shashi Sekhar and the Niti Team. Around 2006 he started offstumped when he used to live in the US. That was one of the first rightwing blogs I saw at that time. I even had conversations with him on starting a media outlet and he said it was not that easy and would prefer a radio route. So finally he moved back to India, started writing articles for pioneer when he held a full time job in Bangalore. Then he quit the job and joined hands with the likes of Kanchan Gupta and started Niti Central. Niti Central quickly started live radio and now live TV. Their only roadblock is that it is entirely Internet based (but considering the future of IPTV, I feel confident). But with one of 2 big sponsors, I hope they become a major TV channel soon. This is something right wingers have wanted for a while.

A lot of them were BRF lurkers and some are members too.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 25 Mar 2014 18:47

How did we come to this?

that the hopes of a nation ride on the shoulders of just one man.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 25 Mar 2014 18:49

harbans wrote:This is Narendra Modi in the 90's interviewed by Shukla. Check the endorsements he gets from all around:

WasRajeev Shulka also a journalist?? Then it seems the best part of 65 yers Journalists have been part of Government and far from being Independant.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 25 Mar 2014 18:54

Pratyush wrote:How did we come to this?

that the hopes of a nation ride on the shoulders of just one man.

That's because the SP/BSP/RLD/Communist scums all sold to a MAFIA led by ITALIAN WOAMN.

Then BJP leaders in Delhi decided to join the club to make hay while the sun shines.

Only one man stood against them

http://5forty3.in/

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 25 Mar 2014 19:00

Congi candidate in Vadodara has withdrawn against Namo and asked High command to field strong candidate:--- breaking News.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 25 Mar 2014 19:00

Pratyush wrote:How did we come to this?

that the hopes of a nation ride on the shoulders of just one man.

Worldwide, for the last 1000 years, 95% of popular movements or revolutions have all had one mask. They all had backroom leaders, but we never know about them.

archan · Post by **archan** » 25 Mar 2014 19:09

Yep. What we see of Modi is a result of a dedicated team, probably collected over the years with this goal in mind.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 25 Mar 2014 19:11

muraliravi wrote:
Pratyush wrote:How did we come to this?

that the hopes of a nation ride on the shoulders of just one man.
Worldwide, for the last 1000 years, 95% of popular movements or revolutions have all had one mask. They all had backroom leaders, but we never know about them.

Because much to our continuing regret, human beings continue to need a face and "personalization" of abstract concepts. That is why all the Upanishad and Srimad BG aside, we finally need a Narayan (no not that one) to gather around.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 25 Mar 2014 19:15

Sanku wrote:
Because much to our continuing regret, human beings continue to need a face and "personalization" of abstract concepts. That is why all the Upanishad and Srimad BG aside, we finally need a Narayan (no not that one) to gather around.

Who will read them and understand. You need a preacher/communicator to understand. The successful one is who connects with masses.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 25 Mar 2014 19:19

Muppalla wrote:
Sanku wrote:
Because much to our continuing regret, human beings continue to need a face and "personalization" of abstract concepts. That is why all the Upanishad and Srimad BG aside, we finally need a Narayan (no not that one) to gather around.
Who will read them and understand. You need a preacher/communicator to understand. The successful one is who connects with masses.

But people keep getting fixated with the teacher rather than the gyan

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 25 Mar 2014 19:28

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 675740.cms

'It discloses that after the riots Modi wanted to resign as chief minister but was prevailed upon by the party to continue.

sunnyP · Post by **sunnyP** » 25 Mar 2014 19:38

chaanakya wrote:Congi candidate in Vadodara has withdrawn against Namo and asked High command to field strong candidate:--- breaking News.

Congress candidate from Vadodara refuses to contest against Modi

Vadodara: In more trouble for the Congress, the party candidate from Vadodara has denied contesting against Bharatiya Janata Party's prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi from Vadodara. Narendra Rawat, who has been fielded by the Congress to take on Modi, has asked the AICC to find a suitable candidate who can take on the Gujarat Chief Minister.

"I was declared the Congress candidate, I have requested the high command to change the candidate and requested that Congress may declare the stronger candidate from Vadodara," Rawat said.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/congress-can ... 3-238.html

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 25 Mar 2014 19:38

vivek.rao wrote:
Pratyush wrote:How did we come to this?

that the hopes of a nation ride on the shoulders of just one man.
That's because the SP/BSP/RLD/Communist scums all sold to a MAFIA led by ITALIAN WOAMN.

Then BJP leaders in Delhi decided to join the club to make hay while the sun shines.

Only one man stood against them

http://5forty3.in/

A foxy V.P. Singh wanted seat sharing only in states like Rajasthan, Gujarat, Maharashtra and Madhya Pradesh, but wanted to keep BJP out of the loop in the then undivided UP and Bihar which together accounted for as many as 140 MPs. He wanted to ride on BJP’s strength in Western India but was unwilling to forego Muslim voters in the heartland. Many in the saffron circles, still weary of a 1984 like result when BJP spectacularly under-performed by winning just 2 seats, were willing to make compromises of all kinds to stay politically relevant. In fact, it is quite well-known among the saffron camp followers that the top leadership of the Sangh and the still fledgling BJP were inclined to accept seat-sharing arrangement on V.P. Singh’s terms for the ostensible reason of defeating Rajiv Gandhi.

One man though stood strong on his ground, rejecting any purely opportunistic seat-sharing arrangement. He spoke thus in the Bombay national executive of September 1989, “If they come, with them; if they don’t, without them; and if they oppose us, in spite of them… irrespective of what the Janata Dal does, we are determined to get rid of this most incompetent and corrupt Rajiv Gandhi government”. He stuck to the principle of either a seat-sharing arrangement everywhere or nowhere.

Only one man possessed such clarity of thought in the initial years of the BJP, he was none other than Lal Krishna Advani, the then president of the party. His tough stance stood the party in good stead as BJP made a historic leap from 2 to 85 MPs in the 1989 elections. It was indeed a strange long jump seldom seen in democratic elections anywhere in the world, let alone in India. BJP had arrived on the national scene, and from that point in time of history, the party has never looked back.

It was Advani who had articulated in the same Bombay session of 1989 that BJP believed in positive secularism, whereas Congress and other parties believed in vote secularism. He had then gone on to define positive secularism as “justice for all and appeasement to none”, a political philosophy that is the corner stone of Modi’s BJP in 2014!

Political philosophies are never prisoners of individual leaders, for age cannot wither them nor custom stale them. As today’s Modi speaks of “Constitution as the only holy book and India as the only religion”, the Advani of today sulks that his party is not as “inclusive” as it should be! As today’s Modi speaks of governance for all and appeasement for none, the Advani of today is more enamoured by the pseudo ideas of “inclusive growth” propagated by the likes of Nitish Kumar. As today’s Modi wants to take a decisive right turn in the economic trajectory of India, the Advani of today is all praise for socialist leaky cauldrons like NREGA. History has a strange sense of humour reserved for old men who refuse to gracefully accept their own ideas transforming into more viable political entities. History ridicules them as a petulant child who cries for his lost toy.

20th Percentile BJP was in danger of going the Janata Dal way of disintegrating into many regional parties, but it has avoided that disaster almost at the last moment by reinventing itself. A large part of BJP’s reinvention has been brought about by one man alone, Narendrabhai Modi. As BJP is once again set to make a giant leap like it did in 1989, Advani and his cabal are proving to be the biggest hurdle. Today’s Advani probably believes that his own political ambitions are far greater than the political philosophy he has given birth to. What else explains his dramas every day and the deliberate attempts to sabotage the party’s chances by forcing wrong MP candidates at crucial levels? Let us do four simple case studies spread out in four different parts of India to understand this phenomenon of wrongful candidate selection;

Bidar (Karnataka): After long deliberations, BJP has fielded Bhagwant Khuba, a virtually unknown entity from this seat that is represented by former CM Dharam Singh of the Congress. It was widely speculated in Karnataka political circles that state unit of the BJP had sold out to Mr Singh who is virtually non-ambulant due to age related disorders. B.S. Yeddyurappa tried valiantly to put up a fight against Dharam Singh by nominating someone far more capable (Suryakant Nagamarpalli) but to no avail. The state unit of the BJP which sabotaged the chances of the party is extremely close to Advani.

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 25 Mar 2014 19:42

Chandragupta wrote:
VikramS wrote:
The number of people turning "communal" is sky-rocketing.
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But it is the Modi effect that such people are now confident to express their opinions without the threat of backlash or fear of being labeled Hindutvawadi.

Anupam Kher in his interview to Jehangir 'jhaadoo' Pocha also said - he is no longer going to be apologetic for being a Hindu.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 Mar 2014 19:50

I think that Muttalik into BJP was a LKA group master stroke to discredit the party in Karnataka. They are doing internal sabotage with media ready to play up all their dramabazis.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 25 Mar 2014 19:58

Gus wrote:so finally got around to watching the mj akbar video.

how do you guys stand these idiots like rajdeep sardesai, barkha dutt etc..every time they open their mouth..it is grating. like somebody is sawing my neck with a really really blunt knife.

i guess i owe many thanks to those who actually put themselves through the pain and post summaries here and spare people like me..

Body language and style reveal a lot. Sardesai comes across as an inferior or mediocre person who occupies a superior perch that he is unsuited for.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Mar 2014 20:05

barkha is presently camping in varanasi attempting to get statements of neutrality from various temple leaders.
this will be sold tomorrow as a great victory for sickular forces in that temple bodies will not openly endorse Namo

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 25 Mar 2014 20:16

gakakkad wrote:more than any ct , imho it is just plain simple ego war...

Here is a 2002 link from Frontline about the Advani Daughter-in-law matter.
http://www.frontline.in/static/html/fl1904/19040120.htm

I would not discount the fact that Congress SOP is through blackmail and subversion / perversion of law enforcement agencies. Occam's razor has to be broadened to include this in case of Congress.

Like any good Con artist, congress leverages the target's ego, ambition and greed.