Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 25 Mar 2014 23:48

^^

I agree. It must have overflown Indonesia, Banda Aceh region.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 26 Mar 2014 02:17

I agree: the jagged path is drawn to explain how it narrowly squeezed between radar and ATC coverages.. and then went off into the blue yonder and crashed. Makes no sense.

See this sentence from Noo Yoik Crimes:

the signals contained no positioning or other data that could indicate where the plane was when it sent them.

Just change the word plane to "transponder" and you have an entirely feasible situation. The other transponders were disabled with perfect timing. What if the PakMARSAT one was on the ground, and sent out responses with tailored delays and frequencies. So they have noooo clue what happened to the plane. Ultimate Perfect Crime.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 26 Mar 2014 06:38

A screen at satellite company Inmarsat, which provided key data in the search for Flight 370, shows a map of subscribers world-wide. Reuters

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 26 Mar 2014 06:40

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 26 Mar 2014 07:12

The possibility of pilot suicide

The possibility of pilot suicide
A. Ranganathan

On the 17th day after the strange disappearance of the Malaysian Airlines flight MH 370, Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak announced that the plane may have crashed into the southern Indian Ocean. His announcement was based on the analysis of eight satellite “pings” sent by the aircraft between 1.11 a.m. and 8.11 a.m. Malaysian time to the satellite company Inmarsat and the UK CAA Air Accidents Investigation Branch. AAIB and Inmarsat concluded that the plane plunged into the Indian Ocean to the west of Perth, Australia. The investigators indicated that the flight was deliberately diverted west and all communication systems disabled.

‘Unlawful intervention’

The sequence of events that unfolded and news broadcast has an eerie similarity to another fatal tragedy that killed 104 persons 17 years back. SilkAir flight MI 185 dived into the Musi river in Sumatra, Indonesia. The difference was that the recorders on board were recovered as the point where the aircraft crashed was not deep, but the recorders had stopped functioning just prior to the point where the aircraft started the dive from 35,000ft. On August 25 1999, the Aircraft Accident Investigation Commission of Indonesia released a finding that “unlawful human intervention” may have been a factor in the SilkAir crash. However, they backtracked on this and covered up the truth when the final report came out. The National Transportation Safety Board of the U.S. (NTSB) brought out its own report disputing the AAIC’s report and stated that the accident pointed to pilot suicide by the captain.

On October 31 2009, EgyptAir flight 990 crashed into the Atlantic Ocean when the pilot flew the aircraft deliberately into the sea, killing all 217 on board. The Egyptian government denied it was a case of pilot suicide but the NTSB report clearly established that it was deliberate human intervention that caused the crash. Then we had the four 9/11 attacks where suicidal action by pilot terrorists killed several thousands. But one among them, United Airlines flight 93, may have a bearing on the MH 370 flight. In UA 93, passenger intervention prevented the hijackers from taking the aircraft down in a populated area.

Taking MI 185 and MH 370, what stands out are the initial sequences which are similar. The Cockpit Voice Recorder (CVR) had stopped in MI 185 before the co-pilot had reported his position to Jakarta radar control. In MH 370, the ACARs had stopped before the co-pilot reported “all right, goodnight” to Air Traffic Control. While the SilkAir co-pilot was highly experienced, the Malaysian co-pilot was new to Boeing 777. This was his first flight without a safety pilot on board. There is a likelihood that the Digital Flight Data Recorder (DFDR) was turned off on MH 370, soon after the CVR was turned off, as it happened in MI 185.

Both flights were cruising at 35,000ft before the crashes took place. In the MI 185 flight, the captain forgot to turn off the transponder which resulted in the final path of the aircraft being tracked by the Palembang Air Force radar all the way down to a point where radar signals were no longer visible. The radar tracked the near vertical descent of the SilkAir flight. An aircraft falling out of the sky cannot fly that profile unless manually forced to maintain that profile. This would have resulted in extreme forces on the controls and that can only be relieved by using the Stabiliser trimmers. What the investigators found was that the Stabiliser trim position indicated ZERO while the assumption of an electric trim motor malfunction would move it only to around 2 units. It was clearly evident that there was manual intervention and that was the reason Aircraft Accident Safety Commission concluded that there was “unlawful human intervention.”

Why did the co-pilot of the Silkair flight not intervene? Whether the co-pilot was present in the cockpit at that time or locked out of it will never be known as all recorders were switched off before the tragic dive. Ironically, the circuit breakers for the recorders are located just behind the captain’s seat. The force required to fly the profile and hold it down can only be done by an extremely experienced pilot and the captain was a former fighter pilot who was well trained in aerobatics.

Let us look at the data of MH 370 that was revealed in the initial days following the flight’s disappearance. The ACARs stopped at 1.07 a.m. and the co-pilot reported that everything was normal. A few minutes later, the aircraft made a sharp turn towards Kuala Lumpur (as reported by the Thai radar) and then a further turn toward the west across the Malaysian peninsula. There are reports that the aircraft climbed to as high as 45,000ft and later descended rapidly to 12,000ft. Thereafter it joined an airway that would have taken it towards the Andaman Islands.

Why would the aircraft climb to 45,000ft, that is 2,000ft above the maximum altitude for a Boeing 777? Only an experienced captain who has also carried out test flights would know that this manoeuvre is done during certification flights and there is no danger to the structure. What is more significant is that in the event of a depressurisation, the Time of Useful Consciousness (TUC) at 45,000ft is a mere 9-15 seconds. If the oxygen masks are not donned and used within that time, the person becomes brain dead. In the middle of the night, when most people are likely to be fast asleep, there is every possibility that the masks would not have been worn within 15 seconds. The aircraft could have been easily depressurised from the cockpit, where the pilot would have had access to unlimited oxygen. If warning systems were deactivated, everyone in the cabin would have been brain dead within a very short span of time. There would have been no threat of human intervention from the cabin like what happened in UA 93.

A rapid descent to 12,000ft normally takes places in the event of depressurisation. If this was done after ensuring that all on board are brain dead, it would have also misled the military radar into believing that the aircraft was carrying out an emergency descent and so they would not have interfered during this manoeuvre. Crossing over to the west and following the airway, maybe tucked in behind a scheduled flight on that route, would have further dulled the air force radar into complacency. Turning off the transponder would have ensured that the Traffic Collision Avoidance System was off and would have prevented detection of the aircraft on TCAS by any other aircraft flying in the sky.

Well-planned move

Assuming this, following the airway to the waypoint IGREX (a geographical position on the track) is an extremely well-planned move. The radars in Air Force station at Car Nicobar and the Navy station at Port Blair have a range of just 75 nautical miles (nm). IGREX is 152 nm from Port Blair and is out of range of the radar, even if it is functioning. Shockingly, the radars at Car Nicobar and Port Blair function only during the day and the MH 370 flight was travelling at night.

Taking that southern path from IGREX — maybe even a detour to fly low over the Maldives — and then to the final point for an end in the deep ocean would have ensured that no evidence was available except conjectures. This flight path could only have been flown deliberately and by someone who was highly experienced and skilled.

The three tragedies spoken of have resulted in the loss of lives of several passengers. It is time for the international aviation community and governments to realise that pilot suicide is a potential threat that needs urgent attention.

(Capt. A. Ranganathan is a former airline instructor pilot and aviation safety expert.)

It is time to realise that pilot suicide is a potential threat that needs urgent attention

Printable version | Mar 26, 2014 7:46:16 AM | http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp ... 832917.ece

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Singha · Post by **Singha** » 26 Mar 2014 07:29

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Associated Press
Mar 25, 2014 at 10:42pm IST

Kuala Lumpur: China demanded on Tuesday that Malaysia turn over the satellite data used to conclude that a Malaysia Airlines jetliner had crashed in the southern Indian Ocean, killing all 239 on board. Officials sharply narrowed the search area as a result of that assessment, but the zone remains as large as Texas and Oklahoma combined.
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Nearly 100 relatives and their supporters marched Tuesday to the Malaysian Embassy in Beijing, where they threw plastic water bottles, tried to rush the gate and chanted, "Liars!"
Many wore white T-shirts that read "Let's pray for MH370" as they held banners and shouted, "Tell the truth! Return our relatives!"
There was a heavy police presence at the embassy. Police briefly scuffled with a group of relatives who tried to approach journalists.

In a clear statement of support for the families, Chinese President Xi Jinping ordered a special envoy, Vice Foreign Minister Zhang Yesui, to Kuala Lumpur to deal with the case. Deputy Foreign Minister Xie Hangsheng told Malaysia's ambassador that China wanted to know exactly what led Najib to announce that the plane had been lost, a statement on the ministry's website said.
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"We do not know why. We do not know how. We do not know how the terrible tragedy happened," Malaysia Airlines' chief executive, Ahmad Jauhari Yahya, told reporters......

There is a race against the clock to find any trace of the plane that could lead searchers to the black boxes, whose battery-powered "pinger" could stop sending signals within two weeks. The batteries are designed to last at least a month.

Several countries have begun moving specialized equipment into the area to prepare for a search for the plane and its black boxes, the common name for the cockpit voice and data recorders, needed to help determine what happened to the jetliner.

Hishammuddin said a US Navy deep-sea black box locator was on its way to Australia and would be installed on an Australian navy support vessel, the Ocean Shield, which is expected to arrive in several days. It is not expected to reach the search area until April 5.

The US Navy has also sent an unmanned underwater vehicle to Perth that could be used if debris is located, said Rear Adm. John Kirby, a Pentagon spokesman.

Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott said he had spoken to Najib to offer help with the ongoing search and investigation.
"What up until now has been a search, moves into a recovery and investigation phase," Abbott said. "I have offered Malaysia, as the country legally responsible for this, every assistance and cooperation from Australia."

member_26011 · Post by **member_26011** » 26 Mar 2014 07:30

As I hypothesized earlier in this thread, and having now talked to other Pilots, from AA and United, the consensus view appears to be that one of the Pilots went nuts. Could be wrong, of course, but not much else fits the sequence of events as easily. May be the whole idea is to make it look like that, but at least to me it looks that way.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 26 Mar 2014 07:35

So another day of searches goes by, weather was OK... nothing found. Have the saterrites stopped looking?

and chanted, "Liars!"

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 26 Mar 2014 07:53

http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-the ... 61078.html

Flight MH370 Is At Diego Garcia – Here’s The Proof
Monday, March 24, 2014

While the mainstream media and people around the world continue their ‘wild goose chase’ for the missing Malaysia 370 flight, the videos below provide facts that our videographers says PROVE that the missing plane is at Diego Garcia, a top-secret US military base. The math for the flights mileage and time add up perfectly with the facts presented here to show that this ongoing search for a crashed plane in the ocean is only theater.

Here is a conspiracy theory,with analysis that the aircraft flew to Diego Garcia.It was clearly seen in the Maldives heading south,onto DG.The aircraft says the author would've been hidden in a DG hangar,where it is out of bounds to the whole world.Later on pieces from the aircraft could've conveniently have been dropped by transports somewhere in the Southern Indian Ocean,or has already been flown smack bang into the IOR,since more than 2 weeks have taken place.The late release in dribbles of supposed sat data is highly suspicious because the US/NATO have immensely sophisticated sats which can read a newspaper from outer space ,that capability existed over 2 decades ago! In today's military world,NCW gives "real time" info. The moment the aircraft was found missing,carrying a number of US passengers,IT specialists (and there's the clue),the US mil. establishment would've got into the act .The fact that any electronic communication around the world is read by the NSA ,thanks to Snowden's revelations,makes it highly likely that whatever so-called "pings",etc.,that the aircraft made ,if there was no conspiracy,would've been immediately sent to war/crisis rooms in the Pentagon,CIA wherever,especially after the 9/11 hijacks and attacks .What is also a fact is that the aircraft flew at low alt to evade radar when flying over Malysian,Thai and Indonesian airspace.It was clearly a mil. op as only the military would know that the Indian radars in the A&N islands are switched off at night!

The unexplained facts that passengers' cell phones kept ringing long after the plane supposedly ran out of fuel indicates that it landed somewhere,and where better than at DG from the flight path across the Maldives. The entire South Indian Ocean flight into the sea is a tamasha,meant to hoodwink the world.Even if there was a catastrophe on board,would not an attempt at ditching close to any of the nations coastlines that the aircraft overflew not been attempted,or a landing at an airstrip? Were the so-called US IT specialists actually part of the hijack team? Manipulating the aircraft's electronics would've been child's play for this team of specialists,since the aircraft was also a US made one.In time to come,the remains will be accidentally found by an Oz team/whoever,with a substituted/altered black box also found with a misleading fable.

The mysterious alleged passenger cell phone call,in a quote below,saying he felt drugged fits in with what I said at the beginning of the crisis,that immediately after TO the passengers would've been fed,lights and shades turned off,if they were drugged,even better,and would've been unaware for the next few hours in which direction the aircraft was heading as it would've all been dark,the bird would've then made it to DG.

This analysis and claim must be taken seriously ,it could answer a lot of Qs which people are asking. the fact that the Chinese are asking for the sat data indicates that they aren't swallowing the bilge!

Some other Net news:

The internet is blowing up about what is allegedly a message that was left by one of the victims of Malaysia 370. The message below was left on March 19th by ‘anonymous’ who later says that his name is ‘Philip Wood’ and he titles his message ‘help’ and goes on to say:

“I have been held hostage by unknown military personnel after my flight was hijacked (blindfolded). I work for IBM and I have managed to hide my cellphone in my @ss during the hijack. I have been separated from the other passengers and I am in a cell. My name is Philip Wood. I think I have been drugged as well and cannot think clearly.”

Is this legitimate or is this some kind of a hoax? Video reports below on the missing MH370 as well.

The “Official” Story Of What Happened To Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 Is Now A Blatant Cover-Up!!!!!

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According to a recently published report, the report states After an endless stream of wild incompetence from the Malaysian military and government concerning the radar signature of the missing flight, we are now told by the Malaysian government that the flight “went down over the southern Indian Ocean” and that all lives are lost.
This explanation smacks of an obvious cover-up for several crucial reasons, all of which are now being utterly ignored by the conventional press:

#1) If the plane went down in the ocean, it would have broken up on impact and debris would be easily spotted
A Boeing 777 does not — and cannot — survive impact with the ocean and remain intact. It simply does not have the structural integrity to survive such an impact, which is a lot like hitting a cement wall at terminal velocity.
If Flight 370 hit the ocean, it would have been broken into tens of thousands of pieces, many of which obviously float on water (such as the seat cushions) and would be witnessed washing up on regional shores or easily spotted by search teams.
The lack of such debris is strong support that Flight 370 did not crash into the Indian Ocean as we are now being told.

#2) The plane continued broadcasting data to Boeing for 4 – 7 hours
Remember the fact that the airplane was broadcasting data for at least 4 hours after the transponder was turned off? This fact is now suddenly being dumped from history and from our memories as if it never happened.
We already know Flight 370 flew for 4 – 7 hours after diverging from its planned flight course. We already know this could have taken the plane to Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran or even North Korea. (Click here to see my map showing possible destinations.) The fact that the plane broadcast this data for hours is not in dispute!
Wall Street Journal: “U.S. investigators suspect that Malaysia Airlines 3786. Flight 370 stayed in the air for up to four hours past the time it reached its last confirmed location, according to two people familiar with the details, raising the possibility that the plane could have flown on for hundreds of additional miles under conditions that remain murky.”
The Guardian: “MH370: Missing plane could have kept flying four hours after disappearing, US investigators say… Engine data shows plane could have kept flying for four hours after disappearing”
Washington Post: ” the plane may have flown for at least four hours after it dropped from civilian radar, U.S. officials said Thursday. A senior U.S. official said the information came from data sent via a satellite communications system by Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370. That data has convinced U.S. officials that the plane’s engines continued to run for at least four hours after all other communication was lost.”
So how does the Malaysian government now explain this? They don’t. They simply gloss over this fact and hope we all forget it. They claim the plane went down in the Indian Ocean without flying very far at all. This makes no sense whatsoever and cannot be reconciled with the flight broadcast data received by Boeing.

#3) There is ZERO evidence the flight crashed into the Indian Ocean
What is the Malaysian government’s evidence that Flight 370 ended in the Indian Ocean and “all lives are lost?”
They have no evidence. They have no bodies. They have no debris, no flight recorders, no sightings and no radar signatures that would put the aircraft in the Indian Ocean.
They have zero evidence. So they are now floating a cover-up to try to put this issue to rest in order to distract from their own incompetence and their bizarre failure to track the radar signature of an aircraft flying well within the range of their radar.
In fact, the only debris floating around right now is made of all the fragments of the Malaysian government’s inept cover-up attempts that smack of a true “rookie attempt” to roll out a cover-up that’s full of holes.
This utter lack of evidence did not prevent the Malaysian government from announcing, “we have to assume beyond any reasonable doubt that MH370 has been lost and that none of those on board survived.” (USA Today)

#4) Another crucial fact: It’s clear that the transponder was manually turned off in order to hide the plane’s new flight path
If the pilot of Flight 370 was suicidal and wanted to fly the plane into the ocean, there would be no need to switch off the transponder before doing so.
In fact, there would be no need to make all the complex, intentional flight maneuvers which Flight 370 clearly took as has been widely reported.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 26 Mar 2014 09:15

ok..so what is the motive for the US to take over this plane and fly it to DG?

it cannot be technology as both boeing/freescale/et al are based out of US.

if it was some vital high value terrorist, I am sure the malay authorities as well as beijing would have co-operated and picked them up at either end.

if they wanted to test some next-gen cyberjacking tech, can easily be done on a test plane in the US itself with manual override for safety.

was it to make malaysia look incompetent..surely that cannot be..malay have friendly relations with the US.

there are N numbers of easier ways to needle Cheen.

member_28502 · Post by **member_28502** » 26 Mar 2014 09:28

What if there was Chinese origin US scientist like Wen ho lee traveling unhonee with cold fusion technology?

added later

Khan told Malaysian PM Gulam na Azad to detain this person from boarding the a/c, some how he slips in , PRC was waiting to whisk him away but no show?

Alternatively first cousin of john woo Showden was travelling a disk full load of NSA data and ......

The End

That's all folks

Added even later

This is Spice station Zebra in Antartica

niran · Post by **niran** » 26 Mar 2014 09:35

Hijack was done to stop agent hu pee ki to smuggle eggs and ink into india
that explains why DMK brat alagiri had to Donte his two eggs to be thrown at ak
and since alagiri is useless without eggs has been chucked out of the party.

wig · Post by **wig** » 26 Mar 2014 10:08

Adding another puzzle to the list of questions over the flight, which flew on for seven hours after it vanished from radar, Malaysian authorities said that the plane appeared to make a final satellite contact after the last of its routine electronic “handshakes” was emitted.

“There is evidence of a partial handshake between the aircraft and ground station at 00:19 GMT,” said Hishammuddin Hussein, the acting transport minister. “This transmission is not understood and is subject to further ongoing work.”

Thomas Withington, a defence electronics analyst, told The Telegraph: “It sounds like the aircraft began to squawk a message and for some reason this was curtailed. It could be because the aircraft was at a catastrophic phase of its flight — that something was causing it to crash — or there could be some atmospheric disturbance.

“Was a crew member trying to send a message? Was the aircraft trying to send a message? Was there a malfunction? Those questions can only be answered if the cockpit voice recorders and flight data recorder are recovered.”

Authorities have used the new analysis to narrow the search zone from an area of 2.4million nautical square miles to one of 469,407 nautical square miles — albeit still twice the area of France.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -ping.html

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 26 Mar 2014 11:15

a static aircraft with engine running , will still send data ???

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 26 Mar 2014 11:24

Svinayak's figures from WSJ mirror images going north would be same unless there is a measurable quantity that can break the symmetry. Elint and Humint might be the deciding factor along with sighting of what presumed to be debris from the plane in s. Io.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 26 Mar 2014 12:35

krishnan wrote:a static aircraft with engine running , will still send data ???

microswitches on the undercarriage signal to onboard systems if they are deployed or the weight of the aircraft is on the wheels. this status is used in a number of onboard algorithms to calculate various parameters. acars for instance specifically needs to know if the aircraft is on the ground or in flight - if on the ground, it would send a "landed" report and a "at gate" report and then not have any other reason to report. ofcourse if it is taxiing around then the logic gets all screwed up, but fundamentally - an off design behaviour will look odd.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 26 Mar 2014 12:46

and so it begins... indonesian president denies and challenges reports that MH370 flew over sumatra and java

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 26 Mar 2014 12:48

meanwhile in kuala lumpur, the envoy of the son of heaven has arrived and is already forcing the tributary people to pay homage and beg for imperial forgiveness

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 26 Mar 2014 14:18

Xinhua news agency reported earlier that three Chinese warships and an icebreaker had arrived at the site west of Perth. The warships - consisting of supply ship Qiandaohu, missile destroyer Haikou and amphibious transport dock Kunlunshan - are searching an area about 29,000 sq km that is near 96 degrees east longitude and 43 degrees south latitude.

Chinese icebreaker Xuelong had also arrived in the area where Chinese airborne searchers spotted some suspicious objects on Monday, said Xinhua.

The crews combined visual search with other means such as radar and optical equipment, and sent helicopters up to carry out airborne observation.

If Wednesday’s search ends up with nothing suspicious, the flotilla will move into the next phase when the ships will comb the area back and forth for five times to ensure that no clue is overlooked. according to Xinhua.

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kunlunshan is of similar nature as our trenton http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... s_Ship.JPG

haikou is a large 052C ddg

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 26 Mar 2014 14:48

The XueLong icebreaker itself was only recently released after getting stuck in the Antarctic ice pack itself when it went to try to rescue the crew of the Russian research ship that got stuck in the ice there.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 26 Mar 2014 14:52

it is a fairly large ship and carries 2 helicopter in a warship style twin hanger at the back.
http://foreignpolicyblogs.com/wp-conten ... elong1.jpg
the middle is devoted to std containers full of materials and eqpt / vehicles which the cranes can move out.

I believe a second TF of 4 more PLAN vessels are steaming south to join this unit.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 26 Mar 2014 14:59

this is a great opportunity for PLAN to deploy blue-water capabilities
and for PRC to slap around the ASEAN minions - they will take full advantage

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 26 Mar 2014 15:09

actually more exposed than proved...
deployment is minimal and replicable by IN, Aus and Japan (never mind Unkil and Bear)
maritime recon is clearly weak if they are sending Il76's
satellitel surveillance has already been shown to be sub optimal - dong feng 21 whatever its called is in question
bullying ASEAN countries is no real demonstration of superpower status, but more par for the course

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 26 Mar 2014 15:19

Scamthony has allegedly vetoed any IN rescue/search efforts as he is sh*tting bricks that another mishap will consign him and his tattered political reputation to Davy Jones' Locker! he is already under alleged attack from within his own party fro his non-performance as DM,as well as dithering about election issues,taking no decisions in his own saintly country!

The PRC is making the maximum use of this crisis to send in the PLAN.The Chinese remember have the same word for "crisis " and "opportunity"! Carpe diem,they've "seized the day",while Scamthony has ,from falling off exposing his shockings,seized his dhoti!

Sent to me today by a "friend".Supposedly known to the Israelis.It provides the missing link,what I've always been asking,what was precious in the cargo?

The American is withdrawing from the Afghanistan, one of their command and control system (used for controlling the pilotless drones) was hijacked by the Talebans when the American transport convoy was moving down from one of the hill top bases. The Talebans ambushed the convoy and killed 2 American Seal personnel, seized the equipment/weapons, including the command and control system which weighed about 20 tons and packed into 6 crates. This happened about a month ago in Feb 2014.
What the Talebans want is money. They want to sell the system to the Russian or the Chinese. The Russian is too busy in Ukraine. The Chinese are hungry for the system's technology. Just imagine if the Chinese master the technology behind the command and control system, all the American drones will become useless. So the Chinese sent 8 top defense scientists to check the system and agreed to pay millions for it.

Sometime in early Mar 2014, the 8 scientists and the 6 crates made their way to Malaysia, thinking that it was the best covert way to avoid detection. The cargo was then kept in the Embassy under diplomatic protection. Meanwhile the American has engaged the assistance of Israeli intelligence, and together they are determined to intercept and recapture the cargo.
The Chinese calculated that it will be safe to transport it via civilian aircraft so as to avoid suspicion. After all the direct flight from KL to Beijing takes only 4 and half hours, and the American will not hijack or harm the civilian. So MH370 is the perfect carrier.
There are 5 American and Israeli agents onboard who are familiar with Boeing operation. The 2 "Iranians" with stolen passports could be among them.

When MH370 is about to leave the Malaysian air space and reporting to Vietnamese air control, one American AWAC jammed their signal, disabled the pilot control system and switched over to remote control mode. That was when the plane suddenly lost altitude momentarily.
How the AWAC can do it ? Remember 911 incident ? After the 911 incident, all Boeing aircraft (and possibly all Airbus) are installed with remote control system to counter terrorist hijacking. Since then all the Boeing could be remote controlled by ground control tower. The same remote control system used to control the pilotless spy aircraft and drones.
The 5 American/Israeli agents soon took over the plane, switched off the transponder and other communication system, changed course and flew westwards. They dare not fly east to Philippines or Guam because the whole South China Sea air space was covered by Chinese surveillance radar and satellite.
The Malaysian, Thai and Indian military radars actually detected the unidentified aircraft but did not react professionally.
The plane flew over North Sumatra, Anambas, South India and then landed at Maldives (some villagers saw the aircraft landing), refuelled and continued its flight to Garcia Deigo, the American Air Base in the middle of Indian Ocean. The cargo and the black box were removed. The passengers were silenced via natural means, lack of oxygen. They believe only dead person will not talk. The MH370 with dead passengers were air borne again via remote control and crashed into South Indian Ocean, make it to believe that the plane eventually ran out of fuel and crashed, and blame the defiant captain and copilot.

The American has put up a good show. First diverting all the attention and search effort in the South China Sea while the plane made their way to Indian Ocean. Then they came out with some conflicting statement and evidence to confuse the world. The Australian is the co-actor.
The amount of effort put up by China, in terms of the number of search aircraft, ships and satellites, searching first the South China Sea, then the Malacca Straits and the Indian Ocean is unprecedented. This showed that the China is very concerned, not so much because of the many Chinese civilian passengers, but mainly the high value cargo and its 8 top defense scientists.

Don't believe the story? I don't expect you to but let's wait and see how the episode unveils itself. Or perhaps it will never be known until the next Snowden emerges.

There are several spelling mistakes,etc. in the above quote,like the one about flying over S.India and the spelling of the Andamans,but it offers a plausible reason for hijacking the aircraft and taking it by stealth to a US mil base.DG,which is completely off limits and surveillance from the rest of the world.When lakhs of innocents have in recent years been killed by the US forces in the global hotspots,also using drones and brushed off contemptuously as "collateral damage",sending a few hundred passengers to their doom is child's play for it! We should not be surprised if such a heinous act was executed...with extreme prejudice.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 26 Mar 2014 15:42

wouldnt the talibs put it on a TSPA truck and drive it over the karakorum highway?
or in a TSPAF plane and fly it direct to beijing?

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 26 Mar 2014 15:52

news coming in that satellite imagery from french sources taken on sunday has identified 122 potential objects of interest in the search area

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 26 Mar 2014 15:54

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/new ... story.html

KUALA LUMPUR, MALAYSIA – New satellite images taken three days ago show more than 100 objects—some as long as 75 feet in length—that may have come from the missing Malaysia Airlines jet, Malaysian defense minister Hishammuddin Hussein on Wednesday.

The images, which Hishammuddin called the “most credible” lead so far, revealed items in the water nearly 1,600 miles from Perth, Australia. They were provided by the French-based Airbus Defence and Space company. The French gave the Malaysians the new information on Tuesday, and an analysis by Malaysia’s remote sensing agency identified 122 objects. The Malaysian government said it has since shared the information with the Australian authorities leading the search in the southern Indian Ocean, according to Hishammuddin.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 26 Mar 2014 16:13

apologies mein herr, i will chastise myself

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 26 Mar 2014 16:21

Thanks, Marten!

For all the plotters (as opposed to conspiracy theorists), there are a lot of coordinates here:

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 26 Mar 2014 16:25

wig wrote:Adding another puzzle to the list of questions over the flight, which flew on for seven hours after it vanished from radar, Malaysian authorities said that the plane appeared to make a final satellite contact after the last of its routine electronic “handshakes” was emitted.

“There is evidence of a partial handshake between the aircraft and ground station at 00:19 GMT,” said Hishammuddin Hussein, the acting transport minister. “This transmission is not understood and is subject to further ongoing work.”

Thomas Withington, a defence electronics analyst, told The Telegraph: “It sounds like the aircraft began to squawk a message and for some reason this was curtailed. It could be because the aircraft was at a catastrophic phase of its flight — that something was causing it to crash — or there could be some atmospheric disturbance.

“Was a crew member trying to send a message? Was the aircraft trying to send a message? Was there a malfunction? Those questions can only be answered if the cockpit voice recorders and flight data recorder are recovered.”

Authorities have used the new analysis to narrow the search zone from an area of 2.4million nautical square miles to one of 469,407 nautical square miles — albeit still twice the area of France.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -ping.html

00:19GMT = 8:19AM Malaysian time; the last ping was at 8:11AM. Then 8 minutes later something happens? The hourly clock for the pinger gets reset? The ACARS suddenly turns back on?

+1 for Ulan Bator's "spoof the transmissions" CT, IMO. This transmission is human error.

Harpal Bector · Post by **Harpal Bector** » 26 Mar 2014 16:33

If there was a sensitive cargo on it, the US could have simply asked the RMAF to bring the a/c down at a Malay airbase and recovered the cargo and had the jet go on its merry way.

The idea of the cargo traveling from Afghanistan to Malaysia does not make sense. If something was recovered by the Taliban in Afghanistan, then it would end up in ISI hands (such as the stingers of Mullah Rocketti) and given to the US for a finders fee or sold to China flown out on a C-130 from Chaklala.

If there was a contagion on the airplane, then - yes it would make sense to take the a/c to a secure location and dispose of it there, but there would be no need for secrecy. The US would just have to claim that everyone on board was infected with Ebola/Hanta Virus or XDR TB or SuperSARS and that would allow established international transport quarantine procedures to kick in. The passengers would have to be kept at a secure medical facility until their condition resolved and yes the CDC and its Chinese counterpart would be involved. All this can be done in the open, even if it is later established that the contagion was a weaponised variant of some more common entity.

These conspiracy theories don't add up.

There appears to be a debris field at the location where people are currently searching off Perth, but is any of that debris from MH370? I am comfortable with there being no perfect explanation of what went wrong on the airplane. There is a precedent for that in the aviation industry, but there is no precedent for the airplane debris from such a large a/c not being found. It is unacceptable to me that we cannot in this day and age find the wreckage of the a/c. Without the wreckage, the probability of this a/c being out there somewhere waiting to be turned into a flying bomb of some kind would remain too high. Bottom line imo is that the a/c frame has to be located - even if it means setting up a UN task force to do it with the necessary budget allocation.

I don't know how much to trust the Doppler shift data as I don't know what the stability of the oscillator on the plane is. The plane does not passively reflect the ping, it actively re-transmits it. That puts the entire shift analysis in question.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 26 Mar 2014 16:34

can you setup a CCTV inside each airline and have to monitored on ground ???

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 26 Mar 2014 16:43

The new CT above (Chinese Embassy cargo, etc etc). goes ok to a point -- landing in the Maladweep. But then you don't need to refuel to get to DG. THAT part is contrived. If you land in Maladweep, next stop is deep-six in IO with no cargo. Cargo goes separate to Somalia or wherever, by container ship.

It is 99.999999% certain that planes coming in and out of DG are the subjects of high-res saterrite sulveirance. But who the heck spends resources watching that uninhabited sandbar at the southern part of the Maladweep?

To land and take off in Maladweep you need well-prepared resources. Not easy to make them disappear overnight. I have not solved that problem, but I think I have a hint. A long time ago there was a move to develop means of landing large aircraft on unorthodox landing strips. The taxiway lights etc can be installed and made to disappear in short order. No control tower is needed: no other craft to watch for. No cows either on this place. A red/white/green beacon and windsock would help, but those can also be set up and removed in short order. Plane would be nearly empty of fuel before landing, so touchdown force is maybe manageable, if you have at least a paved road. Google photo not good enough or recent enough to see if there are long paved roads on those islands.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 26 Mar 2014 16:46

a_gupta - the pings were from the satcom system, not the acars
this is confirmed in the article that shiv posted

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 26 Mar 2014 16:53

I am making it easy for the media. All they have to do is cut and paste and fill in the blanks

KUALA LUMPUR, MALAYSIA – New satellite images taken ______ days ago show more than ___ objects—some as long as ___ feet in length—that may have come from the missing Malaysia Airlines jet, Malaysian defense minister Hishammuddin Hussein on Wednesday.

The images, which Hishammuddin called the “most credible” lead so far, revealed items in the water nearly _____ miles from Perth, Australia. They were provided by the ____________. The _____ gave the Malaysians the new information on Tuesday, and an analysis by Malaysia’s remote sensing agency identified ___ objects. The Malaysian government said it has since shared the information with the Australian authorities leading the search in the southern Indian Ocean, according to Hishammuddin.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 26 Mar 2014 16:54

A total of 12 planes and five ships from the United States, China, Japan, South Korea, Australia and New Zealand were participating in the search, hoping to find even a single piece of the Malaysia Airlines jet that could offer tangible evidence of a crash.

did they leave out someone deliberately , i dont care , but still

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 26 Mar 2014 16:56

that is who is active in perth. indian aircraft are in subang in malaysia

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 26 Mar 2014 16:58

they are searching , whether perth or somewhere

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 26 Mar 2014 17:04

apparently not, they are on standby now
but you are right - they have not been mentioned in the mainstream media

member_28502 · Post by **member_28502** » 26 Mar 2014 17:28

Lalmohan wrote:wouldnt the talibs put it on a TSPA truck and drive it over the karakorum highway?
or in a TSPAF plane and fly it direct to beijing?

If that was done then there is no chance for super duper Israeli agent and Khan agents to save the world
If confused see Steven Seagal movies for clarity (in Blue Ray)

somebody should copy write the plot for the next Hollywood block buster with Scarlett Johansson as wife of one agent who is not happy with her agent husband frequent flying trips (for Balcony appeal)