Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Jan 04, 2014

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 25 Mar 2014 08:32

Pakistani jihadis have bull cutleted one of the Iranian border guards they held. They have four more.
http://www.voanews.com/a/pakistani-jiha ... 78345.html

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 25 Mar 2014 08:35

Normalising India ties: Pakistan counts on US help
Nawaz Nayan Jhukke Jhukke:Kerry Ke ...Kharre Kharre: Khushkhabri Aaane Dho

THE HAGUE: Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif has asked the United States to play its husbandary role in normalising relations between Pakistan and India.Emerging from a Gubo meeting with US Secretary of State John Kerry on the fringes of a two-day nuclear summit, the premier told journalists that India was hesitating to resolve the Kashmir issue bilaterally.If New Delhi is not willing to include a third force in resolving the Kashmir issue, then the US will have to play its role in normalising the situation in the South Asian region, he added.Secretary Kerry said the United States has great confidence in Pakistan’s nuclear security and would continue to work with Islamabad in fighting terrorism. He also assured Pakistan of cooperation to help meet its energy needs.Kerry said the two countries were ‘deeply engaged’ and would focus on the issue of terrorism, counterterrorism, global energy besides Afghanistan and Pakistan-US bilateral relations.He also mentioned his meeting with US President Barack Obama a few months ago in Washington DC and said the dialogue with the US would continue.

partha · Post by **partha** » 25 Mar 2014 13:07

http://www.dawn.com/news/1095479/peace- ... ys-ibrahim

Peace talks deferred due to bad weather, says Ibrahim

ISLAMABAD: The government and the Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) Shura will not meet today to pursue peace talks on account of bad weather conditions, DawnNews reported.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 25 Mar 2014 13:13

Jhujar wrote:Normalising India ties: Pakistan counts on US help
Nawaz Nayan Jhukke Jhukke:Kerry Ke ...Kharre Kharre: Khushkhabri Aaane Dho

THE HAGUE: Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif has asked the United States to play its husbandary role in normalising relations between Pakistan and India.Emerging from a Gubo meeting with US Secretary of State John Kerry on the fringes of a two-day nuclear summit, the premier told journalists that India was hesitating to resolve the Kashmir issue bilaterally.If New Delhi is not willing to include a third force in resolving the Kashmir issue, then the US will have to play its role in normalising the situation in the South Asian region, he added.Secretary Kerry said the United States has great confidence in Pakistan’s nuclear security and would continue to work with Islamabad in fighting terrorism. He also assured Pakistan of cooperation to help meet its energy needs.Kerry said the two countries were ‘deeply engaged’ and would focus on the issue of terrorism, counterterrorism, global energy besides Afghanistan and Pakistan-US bilateral relations.He also mentioned his meeting with US President Barack Obama a few months ago in Washington DC and said the dialogue with the US would continue.

Jhujar Ji :

I accept that Nawaz Shariff has offered Husband "Unkil" to Cavort and Ramble in Pakistan's in General and His in Particular Rear Garden of Delights but he has no authority to believe that India will offer such liberties to the United States.

Cheers

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 25 Mar 2014 13:22

Jhujar wrote:Normalising India ties: Pakistan counts on US help
http://tribune.com.pk/story/686955/normalising-india-ties-pakistan-counts-on-us-help/

THE HAGUE: Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif has asked the United States to play its husbandary role in normalising relations between Pakistan and India.

Now what does that remind me of? Oh yeah, a dehati aurat taking her petty neighborhood disputes to the village sarpanch.

kish · Post by **kish** » 25 Mar 2014 15:39

anupmisra wrote:Finally, Sethi al Jehadi has revealed the truth on why bakistan lost their first match to India.

Yes! It was Overconfidence

confusion and overconfidence led to bakistan’s defeat against India in the World-T20 match
Not that India was a better team. No Sir!! It was confusion that led the bakis to lose their match.

Anupmullah,

How did joo miss this? Only a paki can use the English grammar properly, below a sample of "past future perfect tense" along with the spelling of "perform"

sum · Post by **sum** » 25 Mar 2014 15:42

The government and the Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) Shura will not meet today to pursue peace talks on account of bad weather conditions, DawnNews reported.

THE HAGUE: Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif has asked the United States to play its husbandary role in normalising relations between Pakistan and India

Thats why i luuuve TSP! No entertainment otherwise onlee

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 25 Mar 2014 18:05

sum wrote:Thats why i luuuve TSP! No entertainment otherwise onlee

Sure, why not? As long as TSP promises to "perfume" its whorely...er, wifely duties. Who cares?

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 25 Mar 2014 18:08

kish wrote:Anupmullah,

How did joo miss this? Only a paki can use the English grammar properly, below a sample of "past future perfect tense" along with the spelling of "perform"

Kishmuddin, there's a reason why pakis are "perfuming" at their best all the time.

Al bakistan = Al pakistan = Al Pakhana = Al toilet = Al eau-de-toilette = Al perfumery. Get it?

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 25 Mar 2014 18:40

IIRC Sir Nazam Sethi was jailed by Ganja once (1998-99) and Mananiya AB Vajpai had to call Ganja for his release. I remember clearly.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 Mar 2014 19:26

Jhujar, I request you to not change the text of the news that you quote. You can do that in the rest of the post. It leads to mis-perception.
A quote should be actual text. Comments can be outside the quotes.
Thanks, ramana

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 25 Mar 2014 19:31

The government and the Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) Shura will not meet today to pursue peace talks on account of bad weather conditions, DawnNews reported.

OT, Somehow this reminds me of the joke about the suicide bomber not going ahead with the bombing as he was not feeling well

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sudhan · Post by **sudhan** » 25 Mar 2014 19:43

^^ Of course Yogi_G saar, a soosai bomber always needs to be in top shape for the hooris..

Remember the news from Af? About a suicide bomber caught by the troops, all strapped up ready to do business...with a metal plate covering his privates?

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 25 Mar 2014 20:54

sudhan wrote:^^ Of course Yogi_G saar, a soosai bomber is always needs to be in top shape for the hooris..

Remember the news from Af? About a suicide bomber caught by the troops, all strapped up ready to do business...with a metal plate covering his privates?

Zor ka jhatka dheerey se lagey kyonki ye andar ki baat hai.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 25 Mar 2014 22:38

Not sure if this belongs in the TSP or Ex-TSP (or Beedi) or Benis thread. But here goes...Cricket board bans Bangladeshis from flying rivals’ flags

The Bangladeshi hosts of cricket’s World Twenty20 threatened to ban local supporters Tuesday from stadiums if they are seen carrying the flags of any of the other teams competing in the tournament.

Why? Because:

The order came after an outcry over images of locals waving Pakistani flags during the recently concluded Asia Cup, also held in Bangladesh.

The BCB order came on the eve of Bangladesh’s 44th Independence Day celebrations, marking the day when the nation went to war against Pakistan

O' the insult! The conspiracy! The ummah! Some "rhona-dhona" comments:

Great. One Muslim nation showing its hatred for the other.

you cannot stop it now ... all roads lead to PAKISTAN

PCB helped BCB to be where its is today. Soon this will also be a story for the Afghan cricket board. Internally both nations have one thing in common; hatred for Pakistan.

A testimony to how much Pakistan is disliked around the world. Its not Mukhtara Mai and Malala that ruined our image, it is our own actions that did it.

The only person losing out will be the poor street vendor selling the (Pakistani) flags outside the stadium. The poor always suffer.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 25 Mar 2014 22:44

Nigahe Millane Ko jee Chahta Hai: Obama Parchane Ko Jee Chahta Hai
paki Jisse Logg Kehte hai Ganja:Nanga Karvane ko woh Chahta Hai

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 25 Mar 2014 23:42

sum wrote:
The government and the Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) Shura will not meet today to pursue peace talks on account of bad weather conditions, DawnNews reported.

THE HAGUE: Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif has asked the United States to play its husbandary role in normalising relations between Pakistan and India

Thats why i luuuve TSP! No entertainment otherwise onlee

The husbandary part is giving approximate size and new wife has palpable fear in her eyes.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 26 Mar 2014 01:11

Third-party intervention on Kashmir a must: PM

Teesra Aadmi

THE HAGUE - Underlining the need to resolve the Kashmir issue, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif on Monday said India hesitated every time Pakistan approached it for talks.He was speaking to media persons after holding a meeting with US Secretary of State John Kerry on the sidelines of a two-day International Nuclear Summit in The Hague.The premier proposed intervention by a third force over the Kashmir issue and said the matter could not be resolved without this.Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif said that the grant of most-favoured nation (MFN) status to India had been postponed. He said the decision to grant MFN status to India was postponed for a lack of consensus. Sharif further said he had directed his team to talk to all stakeholders and develop a consensus on the matter.“We also deferred this due to elections in India because we did not want to favour a single political party in that country,” the PM said.
On this occasion, US Secretary of State John Kerry said: “We have great confidence in Pakistan’s nuclear security and the two countries are deeply engaged.”John Kerry said the United States and Pakistan were working together to root out terrorism from the region. He averred the US was also cooperating with Pakistan to overcome its energy crisis as it wanted a viable and prosperous Pakistani nation.Kerry said Pakistan-US working group on nuclear proliferation was working and strategic dialogue between the two countries was continuing. He assured Pakistan of assistance in dealing with the menace of terrorism.The prime minister said Pakistan was an important US partner in the war on terrorism because of which the country was facing economic and other challenges. To confront these challenges, the US and the international community must extend assistance to Pakistan, Nawaz asserted. The Pakistani government on its part was taking effective steps to overcome the difficulties and was confident that these problems would be addressed, he hoped.Nawaz described John Kerry as a sincere friend who always played his role to help Pakistan.Both the leaders discussed bilateral relations and the scheduled withdrawal of ISAF forces from Afghanistan by the end of this year. They exchanged views on the situation in the region and the war on terrorism.Nawaz Sharif disclosed that during the meeting, John Kerry expressed reservations on Pakistan’s missile programme which he removed and said this programme is Pakistan’s deterrence and not meant for any arms race in the region.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 26 Mar 2014 01:24

Dehati aurat itch, which was attributed to someone else so as to make it look normal.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 26 Mar 2014 01:29

Ganja bald again?
I think he grew some fake hair some years ago.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 26 Mar 2014 02:07

These days I have to recheck if I am on BENIS or the TSP thread. Bakis have truly reached a new low, deepel than the deepest ocean.

sudhan · Post by **sudhan** » 26 Mar 2014 02:46

Jhujar wrote:Third-party intervention on Kashmir a must: PM

Teesra Aadmi

Tricky times ahead for India and Af. Bakis are getting a lot of goodies their way (Civilian nuclear tech, baksheesh from four fathers and now third party mediation requests on Kashmir).. Wonder what all were the cards they played.. Interestingly its the US that is being made to eat the humble pie, after all the talk of "no nuke deal with pak possible", "kashmir is a bilateral issue" etc etc..

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 26 Mar 2014 03:09

KJoishy wrote:Ganja bald again?
I think he grew some fake hair some years ago.

Its the camera, kufr. Besides adding a few pounds, darken your complexion, it also reduces the hair follicle count.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 26 Mar 2014 03:12

Jhujar wrote:Third-party intervention on Kashmir a must: PM

And to top that, according to this paki with dasts: Agreement with India to purchase electricity "reached": Dastagir

Pakistan’s Federal Minister for Commerce and Textile, Khurram Dastagir announced on Tuesday that an agreement had been reached with India to purchase electricity.

He added that trade routes would not be closed even if there was an altercation at the border.

Allah knows best.

arun · Post by **arun** » 26 Mar 2014 05:56

X Posted from the Pakistani Role In Global Terrorism thread.

Jerusalem Post on the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s dalliance with Mohammadden Terrorism and America’s policy of not taking cognisance of the same:

Terra incognita: Pakistan and terror: We know what we know

By SETH J. FRANTZMAN
25/03/2014

"We don't know what we don't know."

In the film Zero Dark Thirty, one of the CIA men in Pakistan tells his station chief, in regard to the hunt for Osama bin-Laden, “We don’t know what we don’t know.” To which the chief replies, “what the f--- is that supposed to mean?” A good question. The above statement is a tautology, a self-reinforcing argument. However, in unraveling the support network for terrorism in Pakistan we are often presented with this narrative that it is “unknowable.”

But as a recent report reveals, we know what we know: Pakistan is a bankroller of terrorism, and has supported operations in India, including bombings in Mumbai and attacks in Kashmir, for years. It has also sought to colonize Afghanistan with Islamic extremism, the Taliban being its latest creature.

Yet, like a child who doesn’t learn from touching the hot stove, the West, and particularly America, has time and again forgotten what it knows. Some of this is willful blindness, motivated and necessitated by a Pakistani- created narrative that “we need them” as interlocutors with the Afghans. The border is porous, so the narrative goes. “We wouldn’t want something to happen,” the Pakistanis whisper, like a Mafioso telling a store owner that “sometimes fires happen.” ………………….

Jerusalem Post

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 26 Mar 2014 07:29

arun wrote:Jerusalem Post on the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s dalliance with Mohammadden Terrorism and America’s policy of not taking cognisance of the same:Terra incognita: Pakistan and terror: We know what we know - Jerusalem Post
Yet, like a child who doesn’t learn from touching the hot stove, the West, and particularly America, has time and again forgotten what it knows. Some of this is willful blindness, motivated and necessitated by a Pakistani- created narrative that “we need them” as interlocutors with the Afghans. The border is porous, so the narrative goes. “We wouldn’t want something to happen,” the Pakistanis whisper, like a Mafioso telling a store owner that “sometimes fires happen.” ………………….

The bolded part is quite inaccurate. The US is not an innocent child in these matters. It is the biggest supporter of Sunni jihadi ideology from the days of Hasan-al-Banna. It has never given up on that. It knows exactly what it is doing.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 26 Mar 2014 07:38

On third-party saviors
Chahe Sau sau Chittar Khaave: Ganje Ko Phir Bhi Samaj Naa Avve: Amreeka Shamreeka Ney Kusch nahi Karna:Salvation Tumhari Bharti Shaarna

For starters, the potential third-party that may intervene is the United States. Given America’s historical record of hijacking indigenous struggles – be it Middle Eastern countries or those in Africa and South America, our very own neighborhood as well – for its own jingoistic and corporate interests, it would be a grave error to solicit an Empire’s advice on a battle already so bloodied and battered. Kashmir’s case is ever more conflicted. With an estimated one million Indian troops in the region, the life of the average Kashmiri is deeply entrenched in state-sanctioned brutality. The onus to relieve the plight of Kashmiri citizens should be placed primarily on India as it controls in the influx of military forces within the region. Pakistan’s policy should remain sincere to the political and social exigencies of the common masses in Kashmir. For this reason, third-party intervention can be more harmful than it is harmless; it carries with it its own strategic agendas that can be increasingly contrary to the collective goals of those on ground. In this regard, humanitarian intervention must be viewed critically. Ultimately, it is our responsibility to listen to the Kashmiri first and foremost. Talking on behalf of a people or, worse, over them rarely solves their predicament

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 26 Mar 2014 07:46

Pak Army Stopped Nawaz Sharif Govt from Trade Deal: India - ToI

UPA-2 will perhaps best be remembered for a series of financial scams and the so-called policy paralysis but as it prepares to sign off, it is now hobbled by its Pakistan policy.

Stung by what India sees as Pakistan's refusal to allow any concession to the outgoing government for normalizing trade relations, senior government sources here told TOI Islamabad's policy over the issue was being dictated by Pakistan's military establishment. They said the upcoming elections are now certain to mark the termination of the idea that trade can lead to peaceful relations between the two countries. {If that happens and the incoming government can successfully resist American pressure and take independent decisions in the interests of India, not the US, we would be on our way to solving the Pakistan problem}

"The several recent flip-flops made by the Nawaz Sharif government on the issue has greatly reduced the its credibility with Indian negotiators who have concluded that in addition to political and security policy, the Pakistan government does not even have the ability to go against the Pakistan military dictates on issues related to economic reforms," said a top government official, in a reaction to Sharif's comment on Monday that MFN status to India has been delayed because of the forthcoming Lok Sabha elections.

In fact, the bureaucracy is feeling increasingly let down because it was always sceptical about going out of its way to better trade relations with Pakistan. With PM Manmohan Singh and his office showing an "extraordinary commitment" to improving trade relations, it allowed itself to be pushed and prodded. {There must be an investigation into Man Mohan Singh's extraordinary joie de vivre, whenever the new government assumes office after the elections.}

After the two countries agreed to the September 2012 roadmap for improving trade, many thought Pakistan had at least temporarily moved away from its top-down approach in dealing with India. Things have now turned so bad that Indian interlocutors have lost interest in the idea that trade can provide the basis for constructing a lasting framework for "peaceful, friendly and cooperative" ties with the present Pakistan government. "It will take another 1-2 years before the new government in New Delhi settles down and contemplates a long term visionary policy towards Pakistan," said the source, adding that even in the minds of the Pakistan business establishment there is a sense of a missed opportunity.

India believes that it is Pakistan PM advisor on foreign affairs Sartaz Aziz who has advised Sharif to not give any concession to the outgoing UPA government. According to the government, Islamabad has invoked the false idea of Pakistan-specific "nontariff barriers" that have been erected by India. Pakistan shared its list of 185 items of export interest to it, as officials said, India readily indicated it would provide SAFTA Tariff concessions on these tariff lines on an accelerated implementation schedule.

While Sharif had initially decided to move rapidly on the September 2012 roadmap, his government made a "U-turn" late 2013 after arriving at the conclusion that trade normalization was too much of a concession to the outgoing Congress government. In the beginning of 2014, it again signalled it was ready to implement the road map.

"With much persistence, and false promises of announcing the opening of Wagah-Attari, Pakistan insisted on commerce secretary-level discussions to work out the new accelerated time lines. However at the meeting (held on the margins of the SAARC Business Leaders Conference 15-16 January), Pakistan backtracked, returning to the position that this was too much of a concession to an outgoing Indian government," said an official, adding that commencing trade in electricity and gas with India to alleviate Pakistan's power problem was supposed to jump start this process.

India believes that the Sharif government has played right into the hands of its security establishment despite Pakistan's economic managers realizing that preferential access to the Indian market would greatly ease Pakistan's foreign exchange constraint, as well as provide much needed stimulus to its export industries and by implications its whole economy.

They have, officials said here, often advised their political masters that Pakistan should adopt the approach Sri Lanka has been using since the signing of the FTA with India — derive full economic benefits from the Free Trade Agreement, while pursuing political and security agendas separately.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 26 Mar 2014 08:00

I have a conspiracy theory which I posted a few pages back.

India has extended "MFN" to Pakistan. "MFN" is a sad name because it simply means that imports will not be heavily taxed or stopped. I believe that it is easy for India to do this because Pakistan has little to export legitimately to India other than terrorism. Other stuff we get are probably handicrafts, onions and cement. Onions are needed by out political class for north Indian vote banks. Cement is a dubious import IMO but it only indicates the rapidity of growth in India.

On the other hand, Pakistan awarding "MFN" to India means that Pakistan will get flooded with Indian goods like tyres, refinery products, automobiles and spares, spices, pharmaceuticals and other stuff. The Pakis who will lose out are rich businessmen with import-export offices in Dubai whose businesses will crash. It is those powerful and rich Pakis - with deep contacts in the army who oppose MFN.

Keeping pressure on Pakistan for MFN is good because it splits Pakistani business classes into two groups - one group who benefit from border trade and another who benefit from indirect trade via Dubai.

if Pakistan has a lot to export to India other than terrorism, then India would get MFN in a minute.

disha · Post by **disha** » 26 Mar 2014 08:11

^^ Why is it a conspiracy theory., it is the reality.

More Karachi based businessmen have contacts in Dubai (remember Dawoodbhai based first in Karachi) who gain with no-MFN while it is the Lawhore based businessmen who tend to gain via import-import and MFN. This is a constant tussle between Karachi and Lawhore., and that is why MFN balloons float up and get popped.

India should do one more. That is announce some "duty free" options if bought in Dubai from Indian owned companies on paper and shipped directly from Bhavnagar or Porbandar. And insist that until MFN is not given there will be more tax on goods (cement) imported from Lawhore into Punjab. And sit back and let the sparks fly.

To add, it is the millitary owned businesses in Lawhore.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 26 Mar 2014 08:29

Lets say that even BRF have recognized Pakistan's legitimate and verified MFN Status. Deserving MFN title gels well with their existential policies. Indo-Bak relation can never be normal , impossible like catching the shadow at night.
MFN=MOFO Nation

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 26 Mar 2014 10:26

Jamaat-e-Islami to stand trial for war crimes in Bangladesh - Haroon Habib, The Hindu

According to Abdul Hannan Khan, coordinator of the Investigating Agency of the country’s International Crimes Tribunal (ICT), seven charges, including genocide, will be pressed against the party and its affiliates for their role during the liberation war.

I hope that the linkages with the parent body JI, Pakistan are brought out in the open.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 27 Mar 2014 00:51

$1.5b does not have to be repaid : Ishaq Dar

ISLAMABAD : Finance Minister Senator Ishaq Dar on Wednesday said that the $1.5 billion grant – which helped Islamabad shore up its foreign exchange reserves recently – was given to Pakistan by “a friendly country” as a gift which did not have to be repaid.

]In a policy statement on the floor of the National Assembly, Dar said the amount was given to Pakistan with no strings attached.

Cheers

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 27 Mar 2014 03:33

Peregrine wrote:$1.5b does not have to be repaid : Ishaq Dar
In a policy statement on the floor of the National Assembly, Dar said the amount was given to Pakistan with no strings attached.

Cheers

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No stringer onlee ROPE is Attached .

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 27 Mar 2014 03:53

shiv wrote:I have a conspiracy theory which I posted a few pages back.

India has extended "MFN" to Pakistan. "MFN" is a sad name because it simply means that imports will not be heavily taxed or stopped. I believe that it is easy for India to do this because Pakistan has little to export legitimately to India other than terrorism. Other stuff we get are probably handicrafts, onions and cement. Onions are needed by out political class for north Indian vote banks. Cement is a dubious import IMO but it only indicates the rapidity of growth in India.

On the other hand, Pakistan awarding "MFN" to India means that Pakistan will get flooded with Indian goods like tyres, refinery products, automobiles and spares, spices, pharmaceuticals and other stuff. The Pakis who will lose out are rich businessmen with import-export offices in Dubai whose businesses will crash. It is those powerful and rich Pakis - with deep contacts in the army who oppose MFN.

Keeping pressure on Pakistan for MFN is good because it splits Pakistani business classes into two groups - one group who benefit from border trade and another who benefit from indirect trade via Dubai.

if Pakistan has a lot to export to India other than terrorism, then India would get MFN in a minute.

+1

But also think of Indian lobby who also have thriving Dubai businesses who really don't want to be disintermediated.

Anytime you are prohibited from using point A to point B (shortest distance), you set up anomaly exploiters who then become an interest group.

Best way to screw Paki rapes and Dilli billis is through MFN

Cement can be dealt with through PSI standards

There are hundreds of AKs in Dilli who don't want MFN in full effect.

Ramu · Post by **Ramu** » 27 Mar 2014 04:12

Both giving and receiving MFN are beneficial to pakistan.

But what is benefical to india? Neither in my opinion.
Wrt terrorism, we should never take our attention out of pakis, but wrt our greater benefits we must take our focus out of this shithole.

Western retail market thrives in disparity of our export pricing. A t-shirt or a jean worth a quid to make, gets sold for ten times its price. Western markets will jitter the moment we become assertive and start to charge the way we get charged for iphones. Putin is just doing that with gas supply.

Creating such a corridor using agricultural products like cotton in our neighbourhood is very vital to our future. I really think we should dangle our MFN carrot to achieve something useful with pakis or just remeve it from these beggars and give it to someone more useful to us.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Mar 2014 05:52

Ombaba genuflecting to Badmash is for Baki consumption and compulsion due to 2014 draw down.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 27 Mar 2014 06:03

Ramu wrote:Both giving and receiving MFN are beneficial to pakistan.

But what is benefical to india? Neither in my opinion.

If you look at Pakistan as one united entity, then MFN may be beneficial to that one united entity called Pakistan. But Pakistan is not one united entity. It is a collection of vested interests that has been given the label "nation state". Giving India MFN benefits certain vested interests and makes it worse for others. As regards receiving MFN there is nothing they can do because it is up to India to do that or suspend it.

Why does India give Pakistan MFN? Because India loses nothing. Pakistan has little to export to India. But getting MFN from Pakistan could benefit border trade and people in Punjab. A person who produces exportable goods in Punjab (not Pakjab) now has to ship the goods to a seaport and the goods make a 1000 mile journey to reach a place that is 50 miles across the border. That is patently unfair to that businessman and he is Indian and deserves to make a profit out of shitlanders rather than allowing a middleman profit to be taken from his goods by Dawood or Paki army office sitting in Dubai. More expensive goods from Malaysia, Thailand and Europe then become competitive compared to Indian goods because all are shipped 1000s of km.

Besides, goods are smuggled out of India at Indian prices and sold at high prices in Pakistan after shipping via a Paki profiteering smuggler based in Dubai, so the Indian producer is the loser while a Paki gets rich and funds Riyaz Bhtakal and other assholes. Paki LOL "lawmakers" as usual are brainless twits. They do not care that essential stuff is too expensive for their 180 million bhookanangas while profits are swallowed by the 44 rich families with offices in Dubai.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Mar 2014 06:14

Peregrine wrote:$1.5b does not have to be repaid : Ishaq Dar

It would be difficult to find a more shameless country than this scumbag which purely survives *only* on begging, whoring, threats of implosive self-destruction and fraud.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 27 Mar 2014 06:26

SSridhar wrote:
Peregrine wrote:$1.5b does not have to be repaid : Ishaq Dar
It would be difficult to find a more shameless country than this scumbag which purely survives *only* on begging, whoring, threats of implosive self-destruction and fraud.

You know Sridhar - I think Indian diplomats and lawmakers have to mature a great deal before they can deal with Pakistan with confidence. Pakistan is called a single united country only because the west wants it so. We need to call out Pakistan and point out that the government of Pakistan represents only Pakjab and parts of Sindh. Problem is we don't seem to have the gumption and chutzpah to tell Pakis to bugger off when they make similar counter accusations.

For example we allow people to call Kashmir "disputed" but hey Texas, Quebec, Northern Ireland , the Falklands and Scotland can be called disputed territory using the same rhetoric. Too many Indians suffer from a colonized mindset and lack of confidence so that we automatically agree with a description or accusation that comes from the west, but we are incapable of coming up with and pushing our view of the world.

For example, look at this news
http://idrw.org/?p=35480

How difficult would it be for India to say that "US, Iran ties are promising but fragile". Truly we are slaves - but more later in the media thread