India-US Strategic News and Discussion

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 01 Apr 2014 20:00

UlanBatoriJi:

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 01 Apr 2014 20:11

Why did it take so long for that lady to resign? There were repeated requests to Indian govt to declare her PNG in light of DK and other affairs.

It is a shame that US Admin is involved in tax fraud and are not doing enough to resolve it legitimately as a mature democracy. Is US a symbol or sham of a democracy?

vina · Post by **vina** » 01 Apr 2014 20:29

Satya_anveshi wrote:Why did it take so long for that lady to resign?

She has been shunted back. The resignation is a face saver. But anyway, who cares if she was fired or she quit when she read the writing on the wall.

Dig dong the witch is dead!

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 01 Apr 2014 20:30

There is something fundamentally wrong with the people of European descent trying to understand the Indian mind. A long time ago, didnt these fellas say there is no idea called India and that there is nothing common that will bind these peoples together.
Fast Forward centuries and look at this from Powell

Top diplomatic sources said that Powell authorised cables during diplomat Devyani Khobragade arrest row described the Indian position as weak and that it will not escalate the matter as the country was in an election mode, the reverse happened because of elections round the corner there was an unprecedented Indian anger and response which dipped the relationship to an all time low.
Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/nanc ... 52197.html

It does not take an _idiot_'s mind to understand the Indian position after the treatment meted out to Khobragade.
Yet I am happy and may the likes of Powell grow in the SD. I want this guy , George James Tsunis, in India.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 01 Apr 2014 20:37

One thing I dont understand is this - why did Powell meet Shri Narendra Modi at all?
She could have walked off?
Could "Look you nucked it up ...you make it easier for the next one before you go"? have been the words from soneone in Washington?

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 01 Apr 2014 20:49

Maybe this "resigned because of failure to warn" is the spin from the BapNazis? Remember: NaPO went 2 c NaMO AFTER Anmol events.
Maybe she went to say: Hey, I tried, but the ******s of the USCIRF won't let me do my job and set up good relations with Gujarat. Can't say this over the phone or email or even FaceBook bcoz of NSA and Anmol respectively.

I mean, why does the SD have to be "WARNED" against the ****US-based cretins*** doing something as numb-skulled as the DK extortion scam? What SD does in DupleeCity is no bijnez of NaPO's to "warn" about, it should have been the other way round.

I would say that NaPO demanded the firing and arrest of the entire mid-layer of the SouthAsia cretinocracy in Foggy Bottom, and quit when they were too slow to do that. This is the only version that makes sense. BO was too slow to follow NaPO's advice and very strong urging. If I see a "resignation" over in Dera Manhattan Khan I will believe that BO has some non-pakistan between those famous ears.

Gee! Indian media has noooo talent for spin except for totally inter-desi tamashas.

vina · Post by **vina** » 01 Apr 2014 20:53

Neela wrote:One thing I dont understand is this - why did Powell meet Shri Narendra Modi at all?
She could have walked off?
Could "Look you nucked it up ...you make it easier for the next one before you go"? have been the words from soneone in Washington?

She would have been ordered to. The ambassador follows orders , the personal, initiative and even any room for that would be rather limited.

The order to ship out Sangerta Richards family would have come from Washington. She and the Mays messed up the execution by buying a diplomat ticket where taxes are not liable. Yeah, at worst she would have said that Yindoos would be shivering in their dhoti because of lack of proteins like Paco sahib when her input was asked for reaction in India to a Khobragade arrest and. I am sure she would have factored in the usual sob story of rich powerful upper caste oppressing etc, and with the anti corruption agitation in Delhi etc, would have thought bingo.

Unfortunately Khobragade turned out to be Daleeet and well connected and it being election season no way it could have been brushed under the carpet. Lesson, next time pick last names of Mishra, Iyer,Thakur, Rathod etc, but oops , if you atrocitied Chokila Iyer, you get hammered for abusing a tribal, or if Khobragade had taken her husbands name , same mistake

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 01 Apr 2014 21:34

kancha wrote:From the above link

Similar facilities at other embassies are not threatened. To mollify the Indians, the club, financed by fees from expatriates, is now closed on Mondays.
What does this mean??

So entire uniform application of law cabal has turned out to be no extra facilities on Monday kind of mollify-not adjustment only. Because it doesn't happen at other embassies no. Meanwhile within USA the Senate has not yet cleared all diplomatic treaties yet. Some first world egalitarian world view this.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 01 Apr 2014 21:37

UB, Entirely possible that NaPo asked for the entire staff conntected to Indian desk be changed and was refused. Hence she took the resignation route. After all as Director General she has to set an example.

Very noble/principled person! Not!

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 01 Apr 2014 22:02

Traitor @JohnDayal will be testifying against India in Washington DC on April 4th. Please RT & spread the word. Its being discussed in Rajiv Malhotra Yahoo group and many in the US are writing to their representatives to stop this charade!

Tom Lantos Human Rights Commission Hearing

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 01 Apr 2014 22:32

harbans wrote:+1 JeM: While i do like to see the CT aspect, i get the feeling CTs originate more from folks that have cognitive dissonance in processing information rationally. Places like Pakistan are rife with CTs, everyone has one.

harbans,
if I understand right, JeM saar is not rejecting the theory(or accepting). He is just saying that if they are indeed doing such things, then Bhaarathiyas can do tit for tat when the time is right. On the other hand, you seem to have not only rejected the theory but giving explanations of why people believe in such theories.

One could easily say the other way around: people don't want to believe in big bad conspiracies because it confuses and scares them. They would much rather stick to simplistic and known explanations rather than acknowledge that there is a big bad conspiracy.

Anyway, I personally find some theories being dubbed as 'CTs' as strange. Because theories are theories. No one knows the truth unless one is personally involved in the scenario. From outside, it is all speculation. So, one theory is as good as the other. At best, one could point out the flaws in a theory. Once one starts rejecting some theories as 'CTs', then anyone can reject any theory as CTs. Unless, it is officially accepted and popularized by the mainstream media, it would be seen as CTs. In that scenario, the state and media can popularize their own pet theories and diss other theories as CTs.

As for bakis, there is a good reason for them believing in CTs because in baki land anything is possible. Why go till bakis? What about Fordriwal? The things that are said about Fordriwal could be called as CTs. Infact, what is happening in Ukraine can be called a CT as well.

This whole business of dubbing some theories as CT seems to be wrong. It is better if you point out the flaws in a theory.

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JeM saar,
Amby is just a face and implementer, doesn't mean that Amby alone does the job. Anyway, a person on ground is needed to do the job.

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I too think that Modi seems to have agreed to AP division after meeting with amirkhan amby. That meeting came just a few days before the division. Don't know what is the long game here, but it does seem like amirkhan is involved in some way.

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vina wrote:
Neela wrote:One thing I dont understand is this - why did Powell meet Shri Narendra Modi at all?
She could have walked off?
Could "Look you nucked it up ...you make it easier for the next one before you go"? have been the words from soneone in Washington?
She would have been ordered to. The ambassador follows orders , the personal, initiative and even any room for that would be rather limited.

The order to ship out Sangerta Richards family would have come from Washington. She and the Mays messed up the execution by buying a diplomat ticket where taxes are not liable. Yeah, at worst she would have said that Yindoos would be shivering in their dhoti because of lack of proteins like Paco sahib when her input was asked for reaction in India to a Khobragade arrest and. I am sure she would have factored in the usual sob story of rich powerful upper caste oppressing etc, and with the anti corruption agitation in Delhi etc, would have thought bingo.

Unfortunately Khobragade turned out to be Daleeet and well connected and it being election season no way it could have been brushed under the carpet. Lesson, next time pick last names of Mishra, Iyer,Thakur, Rathod etc, but oops , if you atrocitied Chokila Iyer, you get hammered for abusing a tribal, or if Khobragade had taken her husbands name , same mistake

Vina saar,
this theory is flawed because the amirkhans would obviously know about her Daleet status and connections, if they knew about her 'corruption'.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 01 Apr 2014 22:40

TKiran, One quick check for your theory would be to see the NaPo travel itenary in February. If she did visit Hyd in that period you mention.

I checked the Hyd Consulate page and there are no mentions of such a visit!

If you can find anyother local news of her visit it would add some credibility.

However I found this gem:

http://hyderabad.usconsulate.gov/regional_news.html

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 01 Apr 2014 22:50

That website got CIRFs apporoval?

so according to us hyd consulate Indian Americans who follow Islam are muslims first transcending national boundaries and they need a separate voice. They wonder why people think that Americans have a void between their ears. On second thought no not a void but filled with pakistan.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 02 Apr 2014 01:23

ramana: I don't understand the madarssa H&D math in operation here. DK harassed & extorted, and PNG'ed: Mays PNG'ed (and Mrs. Mays Anmolled but that is a bonus

) . OK, equal-equal.

But now Amby fired? That is a major blow to US H&D, hain? Might as well post on Embassy webpage: POTUS BO and SDOTUS *UCKED UP!!

So I maintain that NaPO quit in protest because she had been reduced to total ineffectiveness - and reduced to scape-goat. Polis waiting with gloves on at airports, can't get meetings, can't get visas extended for tax-dodging staff, generally cold-shouldered. With all due respect to Shri NaMO, the guvrmand in Dilli is still YooPeeAy and SoniaG is still Maharani. So it can't be any NaMO anything that got her out. In fact NaMO meeting may have been her big effort to break out and win points, but backfired bigtime because it p-o'ed the UPA even more, and NaMO's Fauj-e-Bania gave nothing away except a good box on the ears.

Meanwhile relations are going south and accelerating. WTC issues, InfoSys/visa issues, nuclear nonsales, and on top of that, Sri Lanka vote at UN, Ukraine vote... PLUS in another 45 days, prospects of a NaMO win which would render the environment 100% hostile for her - or force major loss of H&D. Maybe Tax ppl and Dilli Polis are getting ready to throw the book. So time to get out with diplomatic immunity is now.

This has to be seen as a slap (more like walkout, but pulls mat from under SD arrogance) from NaPO at BO, not other way round. Now NaPO will probably go join faculty at some dump and brainwash a whole new herd of little Uneven Cohens.

Which is why we DESPERATELY NEED those banner headlines. All over the 'Net. Anmol!!!

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 02 Apr 2014 01:47

>>JeM saar, Amby is just a face and implementer, doesn't mean that Amby alone does the job. Anyway, a person on ground is needed to do the job.

This does not take away from my point JohneeG, which is that if some government whose diplomatic staff can barely stitch together a few sentences in any local language, can then proceed to undermine, influence, or overthrow the goverment, then we deserve what we get.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Apr 2014 01:56

UB, Again the story was put out to save H&D. Will have to wait for her memoirs to come out in a few years time.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 02 Apr 2014 01:58

After Ukraine, Asian pivot, geopolitical game mixing Indian Chess/ US Poker/Chinese Fortune Checker and Japanese Bushido will go in full motion. Indians are selecting new Maharathi and Rathis, Uncle shuffling the new deck, Chinese polishing Chopsticks and Japani keeping their eyes on wise horizon. Soon it shall begin when Russian Bear too show up carrying big Honey Pot .

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Apr 2014 02:05

UB and JEM read on.Especially the comments:

http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs ... esignation

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 02 Apr 2014 02:29

Nancy (throw-in-the-towel) Powell,has kept true to form ,as she awaited her "beat-the-retreat" order from her commander-in-chief,"back to the barracks" O'Bumbler.The disgraceful way in which our lady diplomat was sexually harassed by the racist pigs of the US State Dept.,is what we will remember of her undistinguished term here as US envoy.But one must remember that whatever racist policies has been hurled at India ,have come on orders from their godfather,the Uncle Tom in the White House.

O'Bumbler's inferiority complex towards civilisations more ancient and sophisticated in human terms,has been exposed by his cretinous statement to the Russians,that they were merely "a regional power",while "America was the strongest".Leaders around the world,particularly in the Middle East must be falling off their thrones,as the "greatest power in the world" ,which is retreating taik well tucked in between its legs from Afghanistan and Iraq, fled from the scene of action in Syria,scared shy of even firing a single shot in Assad's direction! Exhausted from its warmongering,and litany of war crimes as heinous as those of the Nazis in WW2,all that O'Bumbler can do is act like a flatulent windbag. His pompous boast reminds one of schoolkids boasting about the size of their prick,"mine is bigger than yours",and here O'Bumbler is right,he is the biggest prick around.

We are told that "throw-in-the-towel's" replacement is going to be a Yanqui of Gujarati origin,another juvenile stunt. The nation is well versed in the activities of quislings and Trojan horses,esp. of NRI origin. "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other",famous words uttered by Christ 2000 years ago.

It is also an acknowledgement as to who is going to be the next PM of India!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Apr 2014 02:32

Philip, Quoting Christ to US is like .....!

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 02 Apr 2014 02:44

...asking for a drone attack on your doorstep!

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 02 Apr 2014 03:34

ramana, AmberG: error? or did v miss something?

She was indicted again earlier this month, but the charges were dismissed.

hain??

This is a Capitol Hill blog. Slightly BUI?

BTW, time for senior foreign policy experts from Norway, Sweden, France etc to join that discussion... only 4 comments so far.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 02 Apr 2014 03:40

Yes. I was wondering the same. Or did the blogger mistake the first dismissal for the second and messed up the timeline?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Apr 2014 03:47

UB The second indictment was on March 14th, 2014. So not much time to dismiss it.
But if true then PB also might call it quits?

The Hill blogger might be on herps.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 02 Apr 2014 04:05

phlowers to the deity, indicate plogger is on herps.

krithivas · Post by **krithivas** » 02 Apr 2014 04:12

I will not take the bait that Nancy Powell's resignation makes up for denying an Indian PM-in-waiting Modi a US visa. Nor is it a make up for the custodial assault by United States Marshalls on diplomat Devyani. Nancy Powell is a very cheap fry to pay for any one of the mega-monumental strategic errors. India should ignore this "Powell Exit Show".

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 02 Apr 2014 04:12

Nancy Powell's replacement:

1. Shah would be a huge mistake. I for one, will dread the MUTU arguments to come on BRF.
2. Alternative 1: Bill Gates.
3. Alternative 2: George Clooney

Inspired I think

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 02 Apr 2014 04:29

Cosmo_R wrote:Nancy Powell's replacement:

1. Shah would be a huge mistake. I for one, will dread the MUTU arguments to come on BRF.
2. Alternative 1: Bill Gates.
3. Alternative 2: George Clooney

Inspired I think

There are too many balls being juggled and the appointments (like pardons) in the last two years are ssupposed to be mostly returned favors.

There is also no great love for India in the establishment. Some low irritation level person will be appointed. Either way, its an exotic (think paco-level thoughts) post, and it will get another May in disguise. Regardless of the appearances. Environment is like election year in India (Nov mid terms, lame suck sinking presidency). In the short term, all focus is on the ookrainistan.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 02 Apr 2014 05:21

Cosmo_R wrote:Nancy Powell's replacement:
1. Shah would be a huge mistake. I for one, will dread the MUTU arguments to come on BRF.2. Alternative 1: Bill Gates. 3. Alternative 2: George Clooney
Inspired I think

Since the younger days,Doc have been dreaming of Jolie creeping close slowly slowly !

disha · Post by **disha** » 02 Apr 2014 05:46

TKiran wrote:As pointed, expect a very competentUS Ambassador to India who can create situations like Egypt, Libya Ukraine in the next 2 to 3 years time in India

If a competent Amby with an incompetent GOI could not produce any thing., what will an incompetent Amby with a competent GOI do?

Right now, Obama's FP is in ICU. What will they do - appoint a Gujju as an amby to India? In the hope that a Gujju Amby will have a more say if a Gujju PM will be in place?

Looks like we know more about US than US knows about themselves!

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 02 Apr 2014 05:54

In the hope that a Gujju Amby will have a more say if a Gujju PM will be in place?

Err. in the sure KNAWLIDJ that ONLY a **** can negotiate with a ***** PM

OK, time to get out of here..

disha · Post by **disha** » 02 Apr 2014 06:09

UlanBatori wrote:
In the hope that a Gujju Amby will have a more say if a Gujju PM will be in place?
Err. in the sure KNAWLIDJ that ONLY a **** can negotiate with a ***** PM OK, time to get out of here..

Are you saying that US SD dept. is ****?

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 02 Apr 2014 06:16

Hmmm! Senior US diplomats are beginning to comment on the Capital Hill thing:

Teri Behnki • 1 hour ago

The underlying issue here is that a gang at the State Department decided that they could extort money from foreign diplomats. The whole "complaint" against the Indian acting Consul was a scam based on utterly unsustainable distortions of the facts and the laws - but they figured that no foreigner would stand and fight. Well, this was the 3rd time against Indian diplomats, and they went way too far.The disgraceful revelation that the American Embassy School, with the Ambassador as Chair of its Board, has been cheating on both Indian AND American taxes for the past decades, coupled with the gross arrogance of the "nanny" prosecution and the "T-2/T-3 visa" scam, have all damaged American credibility and integrity in a very serious way - it goes faaar beyond any anger of diplomats or bureaucrats. If POTUS BO wants to clean up his State Department, he needs to start with a pretty strong and wide broom. Start at the Asst SoS level, and also look at the competence of various other political appointees. A sorry mess indeed, I look forward to watching the pompous entities squirm "I do not recall" or taking the 5th, at the Congressional Hearings on TV.
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allaisa • 3 hours ago

Whatever we may say the poor diplomat was cavity searched and that enraged the whole nation. In India I am told they do not even hand cuff undertrials leave alone cavity searching females. They gave us lot of privileges unasked which their own diplomat do not get here and now they have taken them away. That cannot be called retaliation.
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luuke • 20 hours ago

Kick them out...Anyone connected to the Obama circle needs to be booted out...Nuland too comes to mind...

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Obamaroid_Ointment • a day ago

India's been hatin' on us since Barry's been POTUS, this ambassadorship opening may go for a bargain price.
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Obamaroid_Ointment • a day ago

Wait did Hillary hand the Indians a reset button like the Russians? It seems whatever this administration touches turns to complete crap.
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Maybe the US Ambassadors to Scandalnavia will be there soon too.

member_28108 · Post by **member_28108** » 02 Apr 2014 07:11

Shes (Alicia Muller May) back on FB after running away !! Is Wayne back there too (cant find him)
https://www.facebook.com/alicia.m.may?fref=ts

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 02 Apr 2014 07:16

Next Amb to Lesser UkBapZia, no doubt. Can't view page. Is she still in SD or shifted to Lousiana FEMA (4 da IQ)

member_28108 · Post by **member_28108** » 02 Apr 2014 07:21

UlanBatori wrote:Hmmm! Senior US diplomats are beginning to comment on the Capital Hill thing:

Teri Behnki • 1 hour ago

Maybe the US Ambassadors to Scandalnavia will be there soon too.

This seems to be a Republican /conservative rag where they want to complain about Democrats so nothing much can be read about it.

member_28108 · Post by **member_28108** » 02 Apr 2014 07:25

prasannasimha wrote:Shes (Alicia Muller May) back on FB after running away !! Is Wayne back there too (cant find him)
https://www.facebook.com/alicia.m.may?fref=ts

Has deleted all those posts and sanitized probably by the state department.
One thing that makes me chortle was the panic with which they removed the accounts thinking we are some West Asian rioters going to do a Libya on them? Clearly they have no Idea about India and are so besotted with their misconceptions. Thinking we are all SDRE Paco types - No wonder they flounder on these issues, Eyes wide shut.

member_28108 · Post by **member_28108** » 02 Apr 2014 07:39

Oopsie the US state department seems to have forgotten to sanitize this from her FB account !!

SD monitorer on BRF please note

What will be the amount of time before the account gets locked again ? Guesses

Alicia May shared a link.
November 18, 2012

Textbook Says Meat Eaters 'Steal, Fight And Turn To Violence And Sex Crimes'
www.huffingtonpost.com
You might be used to hearing this from your vegan pals during the holidays, but an Indian textbook company is now making claims that...
8Share

Oracle Pythian It's somewhat true... but we also have larger brains than the vegitarians... -- hummm, well, at least more functional than the cows and elephants.
November 18, 2012 at 6:05am · 1

Alicia May I'd like them to do a follow up article on how many vegetarians rape women here every day!
November 18, 2012 at 6:12am · 2

Oracle Pythian ouch! They probalby don't have the energy... bot does that make me, a meat eater, a bad person?
November 18, 2012 at 6:18am

Alicia May It's the vegetarians that are doing the raping, not the meat eaters - this place is just so bizarre.....
November 18, 2012 at 7:18am · 1

Oracle Pythian Yeah, I was being a bit facetious, Huffington post and all – ‘darned meat-eaters!’
November 18, 2012 at 7:20am

Vince Bauermeister For the record, I never raped anyone.
December 1, 2012 at 3:23am · 1

Alicia May Applies only to INdians.....not Westerners!
December 1, 2012 at 5:26am

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 02 Apr 2014 08:16

The eternal LIAR,t,the heirs to the SS of WW2 infamy,lied for the umpteenth time to its own Senate he CIAover the torture tactics it used in the recent illegal wars across the globe.The secret report also exposed the numerous secret concentration camps set up worldwide,similar to Himmler's concentration camps with willing allies and bumchums,where prisoners are subjected to the most inhuman acts of torture.So much for the world's greatest "democracy,....sorry,Hypocrisy"!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 31163.html
Senate Intelligence Committee report claims CIA ‘covered up use of torture and misled US government about its value’

Brutal interrogation methods are said to have done little, if anything, to add to the gathering of useful intelligence

The CIA misled the US government and the public about aspects of its brutal interrogation programme for years – concealing details about the severity of its methods, overstating the significance of plots and prisoners, and taking credit for critical pieces of intelligence that detainees had surrendered before they were subjected to harsh techniques, a report by the Senate Intelligence Committee has concluded.

The report, built around detailed chronologies of dozens of CIA detainees, documents a long-standing pattern of unsubstantiated claims as agency officials sought permission to use – and later tried to defend – excruciating interrogation methods that yielded little, if any, significant intelligence, according to US officials who have reviewed the document.

“The CIA described [its programme] repeatedly both to the Department of Justice and eventually to Congress as getting unique, otherwise unobtainable intelligence that helped disrupt terrorist plots and save thousands of lives,” said one US official briefed on the report. “Was that actually true? The answer is no.”

Current and former US officials who described the report spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue and because the document remains classified. The 6,300-page report includes what officials described as damning new disclosures about a sprawling network of secret detention facilities, or “black sites”, which was dismantled by President Obama in 2009.

Classified files reviewed by committee investigators reveal internal divisions over the interrogation programme, officials said, including one case in which CIA employees left the agency’s secret prison in Thailand after becoming disturbed by brutal measures employed there. The report also cites cases in which officials at CIA headquarters demanded the continued use of harsh interrogation techniques even after analysts were convinced that prisoners had no more information.

The report describes previously undisclosed cases of abuse, including the alleged repeated dunking of a terrorism suspect in tanks of ice water at a detention site in Afghanistan – a method that bore similarities to waterboarding but never appeared on any Justice Department-approved list of techniques.

The Senate report is by far the most comprehensive account to date of a highly classified programme that was established within months of the 11 September attacks.

Several officials who have read the document said some of its most troubling sections deal not with detainee abuse but with discrepancies between the statements of senior CIA officials in Washington and the details revealed in the written communications of lower-level employees directly involved.

Officials said millions of records make clear that the CIA’s ability to obtain the most valuable intelligence against al-Qa’ida, including tips that led to the killing of Osama bin Laden in 2011, had little, if anything, to do with “enhanced interrogation techniques”.

Men who have been held by the CIA (from left): Abu Zubaydah; Abd al- Rahim al-Nashiri, Ammar al-Baluchi and Khalid al-Sharif (REUTERS/FBI; muslm.net/AP; Human Rights Watch) Men who have been held by the CIA (from left): Abu Zubaydah; Abd al- Rahim al-Nashiri, Ammar al-Baluchi and Khalid al-Sharif (REUTERS/FBI; muslm.net/AP; Human Rights Watch)
The report is divided into three volumes – one that traces the chronology of interrogation operations, another that assesses intelligence officials’ claims, and a third that contains case studies on virtually every prisoner held in CIA custody since 2001.

One official said almost all of the critical threat-related information from Zayn al-Abidin Muhammed Hussein, the suspected al-Qa’ida operative better known as Abu Zubaydah, was obtained during the period when he was questioned at a hospital in Pakistan, well before he was interrogated by the CIA and waterboarded 83 times.

Information obtained by the CIA, however, was passed up through the ranks of the US intelligence community, the Justice Department and Congress as though it were part of what CIA interrogators had obtained, according to the committee report.

“The CIA conflated what was gotten when, which led them to misrepresent the effectiveness of the programme,” said a second US official who has reviewed the report. The official described the persistence of such misstatements as among “the most damaging” of the committee’s conclusions.

Detainees’ credentials also were exaggerated, officials said. Agency officials described Abu Zubaydah as a senior al-Qa’ida operative – and, therefore, someone who warranted coercive techniques – although experts later determined that he was essentially a facilitator who helped to guide recruits to al-Qa’ida training camps.

The CIA also oversold the role of Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri in the 2000 bombing of the warship USS Cole in Yemen, which killed 17 US sailors. CIA officials claimed he was the “mastermind”.

The committee described a similar sequence in the interrogation of Hassan Ghul, an al-Qa’ida operative who provided a critical lead in the search for bin Laden: the fact that the al-Qa’ida leader’s most trusted courier used the name “al-Kuwaiti”. But Ghul disclosed that detail while being interrogated by Kurdish authorities in northern Iraq who posed questions scripted by CIA analysts.

If declassified, the report could reveal new information on the treatment of high-value detainee Ali Abdul Aziz Ali, the nephew of Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the self-proclaimed mastermind of the 11 September attacks. Pakistan captured Ali, known also as Ammar al-Baluchi, on 30 April, 2003, in Karachi and turned him over to the CIA about a week later. He was taken to a CIA black site called “Salt Pit” near Kabul.

There Baluchi endured a regime that included being dunked in a tub of ice water. CIA interrogators forcibly kept his head under the water while he struggled to breathe and beat him repeatedly, hitting him with a truncheon-like object and smashing his head against a wall, officials said.

As with Abu Zubaida and even Nashiri, officials said, CIA interrogators continued the harsh treatment even after it appeared that Baluchi was co-operating. On 22 September, 2003, he was flown from Kabul to a CIA black site in Romania. In 2006, he was taken to Guantanamo Bay. His attorneys contend that he suffered head trauma while in CIA custody.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 02 Apr 2014 09:27

the "dark pit in some asian country" which they talk about in batman movies where bane and ras-al-ghul emerged from must be these CIA run centers.