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Singha wrote:I have a feeling he has some talents like "The Mule" ..a mentalic who has the ability to reach into the minds of others and "adjust" their emotions, individually or en masse, using this capability to conscript individuals to his cause.
Ah, sourced from Asimov's 'second foundation'. Nice, memories.

Namo it seems is Salvor Hardin, Hober Mallow and Nathan Devers rolled into one. Only. Facing down the last strong general under the last strong emperor of the first galactic empire...
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Singha wrote:
I have a feeling he has some talents like "The Mule" ..a mentalic who has the ability to reach into the minds of others and "adjust" their emotions, individually or en masse, using this capability to conscript individuals to his cause.


Ah, sourced from Asimov's 'second foundation'. Nice, memories.

Namo it seems is Salvor Hardin, Hober Mallow and Nathan Devers rolled into one. Only. Facing down the last strong general under the last strong emperor of the first galactic empire...

+100 well said sir, some old memories
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Even the great Hari Seldon couldnt predict the arrival of The Mule :D
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Watch CNN IB N live now,interview, Sangrika Madam in dalit colony, hear Modi support (I wish some so called upper caste had that view)
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Anyone seeing CNN-IBN's #IBNOpenMike. They call today's program as DALIT CHUPAL. Saggy Gosh is instigating people to speak about upper caste, minorities, etc

but, people are unanimous
1)
State ke liye Behenji
Desh ke liye Modi

2) jay Modi, jay Bharat

I can't recollect any leader who was able to break the caste politics in India. This is really really Amazing for the future of India.
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fanne wrote:Watch CNN IB N live now,interview, Sangrika Madam in dalit colony, hear Modi support (I wish some so called upper caste had that view)
Fanne saar, did you see it. It was amazing isn't it!!!
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yup!!
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I wish modi comes up and converts all dalits to brahmin types (sahasrapatha brahmana like shatapatha brahamana) in one shot!. that should end some 1000s of years of misconceived notions about the idea of India itself.
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Hmm seems like finicky brahmin votes will be balanced out by dalit votes.
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what numbers are we talking? %?
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Saik et al, Don't bring down Modi's discourse to that level. He is standing for development for all. He has not raised the caste card at all in all his meetings while Congress has been doing that time and again.
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Ok, I need a fix. Any good photos of big Modi crowds from meetings today ?
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ramana, it may be crude.. but the fundamental idea anyway is operationally remove the hardship introduced by western definitions of our system, and our own shooting in our legs on the caste issue. we can't remove it unless we really think about removing it. we need a real hero for this., and that is the only motivation.

of course, i'd be happy if we have an equal oppty society all setup that focuses purely on merits - and I hope modi's plan for development for all is exclusively without caste politics not excluding reservations and quota system that is plaguing the country.

i understand that is a subject that many don't want to dive into, but that is the subject which will make our future better. jmt
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One simple straight secular sidda sadda swal
How many "hare" see their own soul image colored in Modi-dye?
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RamaY wrote:First essay in a series on why 2014 elections are so important

The Prize - That is India
The Fight - 2014 Elections!

Second Essay Second essay in a series on why 2014 elections are so critical for Indians!
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Singha wrote:its funny to watch khan saheb tie its shoelaces in a knot and attempt to ballet dance trying to ingratiate itself and clear the decks for a better relationship with a potential namo regime.

the man has said nothing and shown no interest in a visa, yet all their world is commenting why he would get a visa.

I have a feeling he has some talents like "The Mule"
I would say more like a leader from second foundation - pastoral and simple people who finally defeat the evil mule who comes from nowhere (SG) and devide people on religious differences and the resulting passions are used for political purposes. US is the technology driven first foundation.
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SaiK wrote:ramana, it may be crude.. but the fundamental idea anyway is operationally remove the hardship introduced by western definitions of our system, and our own shooting in our legs on the caste issue. we can't remove it unless we really think about removing it. we need a real hero for this., and that is the only motivation.

of course, i'd be happy if we have an equal oppty society all setup that focuses purely on merits - and I hope modi's plan for development for all is exclusively without caste politics not excluding reservations and quota system that is plaguing the country.

i understand that is a subject that many don't want to dive into, but that is the subject which will make our future better. jmt
SaiK, before you start talking about Modi and 'caste and "real hero" needed to fix it and equal oppty society focusing purely on merits etc.,' and expecting Modi to deliver it., here are my suggestions:

1. Check out Kutch Reconstruction and Rehabilitation post Gujarat earthquake.

2. Class and Caste will be *always* there in human societies. We can discuss the merits and demerits till utopia comes., however the core question that is defined is "equal opportunities" are available to all sections (and genders) of the society? Or at least the society strives to provide equal opportunity?

Currently Dynasty and its media minions perpetuates the caste system to create its vote banks. No where else is evident when the very media talks about win/loss in a constituency based on caste equation. And the Dynasty to get back in power created the Jat reservation which thankfully SC put it on hold.

And does Modi strive to break apart barriers to equal opportunity? Modi - said "Saabka Saath, Saabka Vikas (cooperation to all, development for all)" and "India First"., and that ends the questions for Modi. Modi has answered and that is the end of it.

If we have further "keeda (purugu, poochi, insect)" on nudging Modi on the above., then the issue is not with Modi - it is the keeda within us which needs to be addressed.
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fanne wrote:Watch CNN IB N live now,interview, Sangrika Madam in dalit colony, hear Modi support (I wish some so called upper caste had that view)
I hope your TV is okay.
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kish wrote:Anyone seeing CNN-IBN's #IBNOpenMike. They call today's program as DALIT CHUPAL. Saggy Gosh is instigating people to speak about upper caste, minorities, etc

but, people are unanimous
1)
State ke liye Behenji
Desh ke liye Modi

2) jay Modi, jay Bharat

I can't recollect any leader who was able to break the caste politics in India. This is really really Amazing for the future of India.
^
Looks like sagarika has changed its colors and is doing some pro modi prompting for answers.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XWll2J88xJM

^eSpeaking of Dabangg ness in personalities.
Came across below Dabangg vedio on Akbarfuddin Owaisissi from the ghettoes of Hyderabad



youtube.com/watch?v=B13JW4Y9oQk
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SaiK wrote:modi should plan ahead for delays.. it is all part of management. know your env and setup first. no complains till he has total control.
Nobody can plan for malice. The time of the rally is known. Whatever time he had arrived in Dilli, he would have been two hours TOR the rally.
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Hari Seldon wrote:
Singha wrote:I have a feeling he has some talents like "The Mule" ..a mentalic who has the ability to reach into the minds of others and "adjust" their emotions, individually or en masse, using this capability to conscript individuals to his cause.
Ah, sourced from Asimov's 'second foundation'. Nice, memories.

Namo it seems is Salvor Hardin, Hober Mallow and Nathan Devers rolled into one. Only. Facing down the last strong general under the last strong emperor of the first galactic empire...
Exactimento. Oiseoules are the galactic empire and row foundations were seeded by you :) sir. The first is the US based on technology and the second is India - pastoral simple people but yoga and tantra experts. Second foundation is the backup. And since mule inghe form of NGOs and totalitarian govt. goons have arrived and US is on the verge of failing it us India that has to take up reducing the time of instability.
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sudarshan wrote:
Re. by ZAHIR JANMOHAMED, india.blogs.nytimes.com
March 31st 2014

What the freak fairy-tale world is this moron living in? The prospects for "keeping Mr. Modi out of the United States" have never been brighter. That's because Modi has no intention of going to the United States.
Excellent. This needs to be tweeted.
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SaiK, Thinking you might still be jet lagged I was in asuggestion mode. And not recognizing the favor you want to defend your POV!
Any way enmo seems to be not working.

Again no more caste/waste talk in this thread.
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Singha wrote:if you apply the std for considering all the eastern and western offshoots and kids of the roman empire as one,
In fact there was very old map that used to be in local uni main stacks (and since then taken down) which showed the civilizations/empires as streams. Top is time zero and the bottom is 1970s. The width is the extent of the empire/civilization. This was national geographic map. Anyways the only continuing stream unbroken from the top bottom is Indian civ. some become wide very quickly to grab almost 80% of the known world and shrink to nothing only to be supplanted by another short lived civilization. It was one of the very informative graphics I have seen. I asked whether that map is in the archives. They said no. Since then the map has been taken down. I am not sure where it went. May be I should go to the stacks and pester them somewhat to at least let me take high-res photo.
It is criminal for what is considered to be one of the best library science departments to be so casual about old material, especially ones which are out of print.
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Lilo wrote:
kish wrote:Anyone seeing CNN-IBN's #IBNOpenMike. They call today's program as DALIT CHUPAL. Saggy Gosh is instigating people to speak about upper caste, minorities, etc

but, people are unanimous
1)
State ke liye Behenji
Desh ke liye Modi

2) jay Modi, jay Bharat

I can't recollect any leader who was able to break the caste politics in India. This is really really Amazing for the future of India.
^
Looks like sagarika has changed its colors and is doing some pro modi prompting for answers.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v
Very uplifting. I advise anyone feeling low about India to watch this. Requires knowledge of Hindi, however.
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http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs ... esignation
libsrdopes >Obamaroid_Ointment • Wait did Hillary hand the Indians a reset button like the Russians? It seems whatever this administration touches turns to complete crap.
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matrimc, you using phone to post like some of the others?
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iPad mini - so lot of spelling mistakes.
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Congis upto their dirty tricks

Grounded for hours, Narendra Modi cries sabotage
NEW DELHI/REWA/SHAHDOL/SATNA: BJP's prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi on Tuesday accused the Congress of sabotaging his campaign by holding up flight clearances for his choppers, derailing his whistlestop schedules in Uttar Pradesh and Madhya Pradesh. At a rally in Satna much later in the day, a visibly angry Modi lashed out, saying, "Congress can stop my flights, but not my ride to Delhi".
Modi's aviation worries, however, started last week with a DGCA check on Saturday. The DGCA team was waiting at Delhi airport to check Adani group's Challenger 605 — Modi's personal 'chariot' this poll season. The moment Modi drove off from IGI Airport, the team swooped down on the luxury jet and its crew.

"The co-pilot was unaware of the aircraft's emergency and safety procedure. The cabin crew was not trained on this aircraft while it is mandatory that the crew be completely aware of the emergency features of the planes they fly on. The safety demo kit was also not present in the aircraft," said an official who conducted the checks.

Besides, the co-pilot's flash light was not working and the position of the emergency locator transmitter — a vital equipment that transmits a plane's position in case of a mishap — was not marked on the Bombardier Challenger 605. The regulatory team also found that the flight had two passenger manifests (list of people on board) — one which had the cabin crew included in it and the other which did not.
These people are getting increasingly desperate. Can't put anything past them. Hopefully Modi's team is making sure the aircraft/choppers he flies on are doubly and triply checked by maintenance personnel ever day.
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matrimc wrote:iPad mini - so lot of spelling mistakes.

8)
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kapilrdave wrote:Misinformation that it was Hindu orgs that were forcing the communal trouble and that NM removed them to ensure the peace. Misinformation that NM created an indiscriminate environment that ensured muslims prosper and do away with violence - indirectly saying it was the poverty enforced by previous governments on muslims which led to communal violence. Both of these are utter lies designed to attract secular crowd. Madhu is a known secular and she has been used by NM to good effect. She has interviewed only muslims of Guj. Even a police officer who was involved in riot control who was interviewed is a muslim. Why would they say anything good about VHP and BD? All this is fair in politics but it is certainly not the coolaid that hindus should consume. The truth is rather bitter.

Truth is that Hindu orgs were necessary to counter small squirmishes that were keep happening in every hindu festivals provoked by muslims. Gujarat has a long history of riots. It was the orgs like VHP and BD who ensured safety of Hindus all this while. What happened post godhra was unproportional response by Hindus as a whole community, followed by finincial boycott by Hindus of muslim owned shops. Almost all muslim shops were dependent on Hindu buying. Soon enough they towed to the line and there is peace ever since. It was a war in literal form and it was won by the Hindus. It is a myth that muslim get 'misguided' because of poverty. It has nothing to do with financial condition and development. Mohammad Atta stayed and trained in US for quite some time before he attacked there. Didn't he see the development there? What about saudis? More money will only mean more resources for them to spread their doctrine. Nothing more.

When B ji say that mythical concept of 'ahimsa' is neither good for hindus nor it is indic, he means it. It takes first hand experience of the violence committed by other religions to realize that. Ask any hindu of muzzaffarnagar, he would be happy that it happened and feel safe for at least next 5-7 years. There is no peaceful alternative to war.
Couldn't agree more with you Kapilji. Brilliant post. NM infact did a great dis-service and willingly destroyed VHP and BD type orgs, I would go as far as to say that post 202 NM single-handedly made sure that any Hindu resistance to the future inter-religion conflicts has it's edges blunt.
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Modi's aviation worries, however, started last week with a DGCA check on Saturday. The DGCA team was waiting at Delhi airport to check Adani group's Challenger 605 — Modi's personal 'chariot' this poll season. The moment Modi drove off from IGI Airport, the team swooped down on the luxury jet and its crew.

"The co-pilot was unaware of the aircraft's emergency and safety procedure. The cabin crew was not trained on this aircraft while it is mandatory that the crew be completely aware of the emergency features of the planes they fly on. The safety demo kit was also not present in the aircraft," said an official who conducted the checks.

Besides, the co-pilot's flash light was not working and the position of the emergency locator transmitter — a vital equipment that transmits a plane's position in case of a mishap — was not marked on the Bombardier Challenger 605. The regulatory team also found that the flight had two passenger manifests (list of people on board) — one which had the cabin crew included in it and the other which did not.
Surely can be political interference, but must make sure the choppers/planes adhere strictly to safety norms and conditions. This is a MUST!
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harbans, What if in the name of safety inspections things get messed up. So far the jet had no problems but in future?

I speak from experience. Aircraft and rockets entry and exits for maintenence are number one headache for accident investigators.
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matrimc wrote:iPad mini - so lot of spelling mistakes.


iPad mini = I Padmini


Image

Seriously folks

Congress I equal 101 Shakuni mamas I hope NaMo ji takes all precautions
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ramana wrote:harbans, What if in the name of safety inspections things get messed up. So far the jet had no problems but in future?

I speak from experience. Aircraft and rockets entry and exits for maintenence are number one headache for accident investigators.
When was the last time a leader got massive response in TN, JK and Arunachal/Assam. Take out all the wins and losses crap. This is first ever time in India's history a leader beyond MKG and Gandhi family has such a reach and aura. We have an issue here and the opponents will bear the costs of repercussions if he is taken out.
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RamaY wrote:First essay in a series on why 2014 elections are so important

The Prize - That is India

Why would a mere CM of a state in turd world India deserves so much attention, unless India is the prize that the whole humanity is behind?

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 9#p1619569
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patel wrote:Couldn't agree more with you Kapilji. Brilliant post. NM infact did a great dis-service and willingly destroyed VHP and BD type orgs, I would go as far as to say that post 202 NM single-handedly made sure that any Hindu resistance to the future inter-religion conflicts has it's edges blunt.
NM did not do any dis-service. Those guys destroyed themselves with their bravado. All this talk about getting "edges blunt" etc. is all bravado and fear-mongering.

Nobody - NOBODY - has right to go and kill innocents. Or even loot or arson or rape innocents.

At the same times it should be understood riots happen and riots happen precisely because of complete governance deficit. That is humans as a group realize that the best way they will be protected is by protecting themselves. And this is where people like Babu Bajrangi and Maya Kodnani failed. They played right into the hands of the media pimps and the sootradhars of the useful idiots. One can do without such useless idiots.

Op Parakram was going on and army had to be called from the border. Who benefitted?

Think about it this way., your own brother is deluded. How will you bring back your deluded brother to mainstream? Yes a combination of shamam-damam-dandam-bhedam has to be employed., but the dandam part is not to be applied on your delusional brother's kids (who are innocent) but on your delusional brother.

An even worse sacrilege happened during akshardham. Gujaratis did not resort to burning their own state but actually came together beautifully to defeat the purpose of the terrorists. Akshardham was to trigger a similar post-Godhra riot., but it did not happen. Think why! So much so that even media had to put a tail between its legs and behave.

It will really help, whether you are a NaMo fan or a NaMo detractor to watch all this : http://www.newsx.com/modi-s-biggest-interview

Take your time out and go through the above.

And some talking points for Modi fans:

1. Kutch Earthquake: Gujarat came up with a Gujarat State Disaster Management Plan. This was copied without any changes by the UPA govt and became the National Disaster Management Plan (National Disaster Management Act 2005).

Here is a situation where a state's plan was adopted by the entire nation without giving any due credit to Gujarat. Why do not you tell your CongI/AAP friends about it?

2. The GSDM Act (Guj. State Disaster Mgmt Act) has become a corner piece reference by Sri Lanka, Vietnam, Iran and China. Several provisions and ideas from the act and in some cases the act itself were copied by the above.

Tell your CongI and AAP friends about it. Or ask them to follow this link: http://www.gsdma.org/awards-collaborati ... aring.aspx

3. Tell your deluded and cognitively challenged brothers to watch Madhu Kishwar's interview of Modi. Snippets will come out that Modi dashed from Gandhinagar to Vadodra on a single-engine helicopter - breaking protocols at severe risk to himself! He was only 17 weeks into government and working hard for kutch disaster relief!

Do you know that 20k people died (and some 200k were injured) and whole families including kids were to be rehabilitated. It was a massive undertaking.

Kutch rehabilitation has become the only successful post major disaster rehab programme in India. Even TN Tsunami rehab cannot come nearer to that.

Just for the above, NaMo deserves to be the PM of India. Our current PM just sucks his thumb and says #theekhai and the other kid on the block always talks about meri-daadi-mere naana and the third "national" leader ran away from responsibility in 49 days.
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patel wrote:
kapilrdave wrote:. It is a myth that muslim get 'misguided' because of poverty. It has nothing to do with financial condition and development. Mohammad Atta stayed and trained in US for quite some time before he attacked there. Didn't he see the development there? What about saudis? More money will only mean more resources for them to spread their doctrine. Nothing more.
When B ji say that mythical concept of 'ahimsa' is neither good for hindus nor it is indic, he means it. It takes first hand experience of the violence committed by other religions to realize that. Ask any hindu of muzzaffarnagar, he would be happy that it happened and feel safe for at least next 5-7 years. There is no peaceful alternative to war.
We all know the story of biggg snake who became passive following the advsie of a Sadhu and almost died when even the children started beating him without fear.
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'Pakistan wouldn't dare to behead any Indian soldier if Modi is elected PM': Amit Shah
http://daily.bhaskar.com/article-ht/UP- ... 5-NOR.html
Amit Shah, who inaugurated Modi's election office in Sigra said that no Chinese chopper would ever “land” in Arunachal Pradesh and Pakistan would never dare to behead any Indian soldier if Narendra Modi is elected prime minister after Lok Sabha elections.

“Pakistan would not dare to chop off head of any soldier like Hemraj on Indian borders if Modi comes to power,” he said after inaugurating Modi’s office.

“Pakistan would be on the right path. Even army would not be needed for this. Only if Modi goes and sits at that place, it would be sufficient to put them in their right place,” he said, adding, “if Modi becomes PM, then even China’s chopper would never land in Arunachal Pradesh.”
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Jhujar wrote: We all know the story of biggg snake who became passive following the advsie of a Sadhu and almost died when even the children started beating him without fear.
That is the story of Mahavira and several versions exist. The snake became too passive and got beaten up and on seeing the snake again in such a state, it seem Mahavira pointed out that it was okay not to bite but nobody stopped him (the snake) from hissing!

Point is, do not become so passive that you cannot protect yourself. You do not have to bite, but can hiss? Speak softly but carry a big stick! Reminds me of Ramakrishna Parahamsa and his two disciples. Anyway OT.
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